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Twin Suicide Bombings in Israel Today; Wolfowitz Grilled in Congress; Ueberroth Drops Out of California Recall Race

Aired September 09, 2003 - 22:00   ET

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AARON BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening again, everyone.
So often it seems our hopes and our realities collide. We always find ourselves hoping that by some force of reason or perhaps a higher power the madness that is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will cease.

Henry Kissinger was on the program the other night and we asked him if he was surprised at how little had changed in the region in 30 years. Yes, he said, neither side had come to grips with fundamental obstacles. Too many Palestinians cannot accept that Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state in peace. Too many Israelis, he added, can't accept that the occupied territories must be returned.

Each side will hear those words and find fault and, as they do, the madness will go on and it did again today and it's where we begin the whip, Matthew Chance covering the deadly attacks in Israel. Matthew, start us off with a headline please.

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Aaron, thank you, and the people of Israel have, of course, been bracing themselves for some kind of attack but the events of this evening exceeding the worst fears of very, very many people here, twin suicide bombings in separate areas of Israel that have in total left at this stage 13 Israelis confirmed dead and many more injured. We'll have all the details when we're back.

BROWN: Matthew, thank you. We'll get to you at the top tonight.

On now to the continuing fallout of the president's request for $87 billion to fund the war and the reconstruction in Iraq, again our Senior White House Correspondent John King with us tonight so, John, a headline.

JOHN KING, CNN SR. WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Aaron, in asking for that $87 billion today, the number two man at the Pentagon went up to Capitol Hill. He told Congress members should be more confident, more upbeat. He said the United States is doing a fantastic job in Iraq. It would be a considerable understatement to make clear many lawmakers in both parties made clear they very much disagree -- Aaron.

BROWN: John, thank you.

A high profile exit from the California Recall race today, Kelly Wallace continues her coverage from Los Angeles so, Kelly, a headline. KELLY WALLACE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Aaron, Peter Ueberroth, the former baseball commissioner knows a thing or two about winning but he looked at the numbers, decided he could not win so he is getting out and now a big question many politicos are asking this evening who stands to benefit most by Ueberroth's departure -- Aaron.

BROWN: Kelly, thank you.

And, on to a fascinating political fight over the Alabama Republican governor's push to raise taxes and how he tried to sell the proposal, Gary Tuchman in Montgomery, Alabama tonight, Gary a headline.

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Aaron, when it comes to raising taxes what would Jesus do? Well, here in Alabama where the Ten Commandments is still a major issue, voters went to the polls to decide whether to hike taxes. We'll have that story a little later in the show -- Aaron.

BROWN: Thank you, Gary, back with you and the rest shortly.

Also coming up tonight on NEWSNIGHT the day that victims of abusive priests in Boston have been waiting a long time for, a settlement with the church and, just as important to them, recognition of their suffering. Our Boston Bureau Chief Dan Lothian joins us with that.

Also tonight, Walt Rodgers back again with some of the American forces in Iraq, the struggle for warriors to be something else as well, something just as important right now in Iraq, nation builders.

And, for those of you who love the news that would be all of you wouldn't it, but hate the messy newsprint, we do the dirty work for you. It is our look at tomorrow morning's papers tonight, all that and more in the hour ahead.

We begin tonight in the Middle East where once again the story, depressingly so, differs only in detail from so many before. Two bombings instead of one this time, X number of casualties instead of Y, Hamas claiming responsibility not Hezbollah, Abu Allah (ph) condemning the attack not Abu Mazen but otherwise the same story martyrdom, victim hood, and suffering all around.

From Jerusalem tonight here's CNN's Matthew Chance.

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CHANCE (voice-over): Amid scenes of devastation emergency workers picked through the wreckage of what was a popular cafe in West Jerusalem. The dead and injured evacuated from the scene leaving police to scour the area for forensic evidence.

GIL KLEIMAN: A suicide bomber attempted to enter the cafe. There was a security guard on the scene for some reason. We don't know if there was an altercation with them or not. The suicide bomber succeeded in entering the cafe about three, four steps and blew himself inside.

CHANCE: Just hours earlier another suicide bomber struck at a crowded hitchhiker and bus stop outside an Israeli army base near Tel Aviv, the dead and injured mainly conscripts in uniform going home for the night.

Hamas says it carried out both attacks a response, it says, to Israel's military strikes on their leaders. Israel is pledging it will not relent amid renewed calls for action against the Palestinian President Yasser Arafat.

PZAHI HANEGREE, ISRAELI PUBLIC SECURITY MINISTER: The main problem is Arafat. The Palestinian chairman, the American administration defined as an obstacle for peace is an obstacle for peace and since we are so desperate to achieve peace it's about time that we will deal with his presence here, presence that is devastating to the aspirations of both the Israelis and Palestinians.

CHANCE: The Palestinian Authority has condemned the bombings and is urging restraint but at such a volatile moment in this conflict mere words to Israel may not be enough.

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CHANCE: Well, as a measure of his concern the Israeli media reporting that Ariel Sharon, the Israeli Prime Minister, may now cut short his official visit to India to come back into this crisis and to plan what his government will do next. Few doubt though here on the ground that these twin deadly suicide bombings will be answered -- Aaron.

BROWN: Let me ask you to quickly answer something that may be impossible to quickly answer. There I guess are pros and cons to expelling Yasser Arafat. The cons I guess are that you make him to some a martyr. The pros are exactly what?

CHANCE: Well, I suppose from Israel's point of view, and this is being discussed and so I think it's an important question that we answer, the pros I suppose from Israel's point of view is that they see this man as somebody who has failed repeatedly to move against the Palestinian militant groups, someone who perhaps behind the scenes may even be not just turning a blind eye but actually encouraging the militant groups to do this.

Obviously, this is something the Palestinian Authority rejects totally but nevertheless Israel is debating the possibility of what to do about Yasser Arafat, whether to move against him, to go so far as to exile him from the Palestinian territories -- Aaron.

BROWN: Matthew thank you, Matthew Chance in Jerusalem, whatever the combinations are in that at the end of the day we have two more terrorist attacks in Israel tonight.

On to Iraq, the selling of the war part two, if you will, and something Senator Chuck Hagel, the Republican from Nebraska, said this morning about part one. The administration, he said, treated many in Congress, most in Congress, like a nuisance.

This time around winning support in Congress is an $87 billion necessity and while few expect the administration to fail, members of the administration got a roasting today before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Here again our Senior White House Correspondent John King.

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KING (voice-over): Out on the road another friendly Republican audience and a president who sounds as optimistic as can be.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This is the work that history has set before us. We welcome it and we know that for our country and our cause the best days lie ahead.

KING: But back in Washington, a bipartisan assault on the administration's Iraq policy.

SEN. ROBERT BYRD (D), WEST VIRGINIA: Congress is not an ATM. We have to be able to explain this new, enormous bill to the American people.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: We underestimated the size of the challenge that we would face after the "military operations" were completed.

KING: Taking the heat was Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, a key architect of the Iraq policy and on hand this day to explain the new $87 billion war budget request.

PAUL WOLFOWITZ, DEPUTY DEFENSE SECRETARY: Confidence is part of winning. We need to project confidence and we have every reason to project confidence because we've done a fantastic job.

KING: But many of the lawmakers asking the questions disagree and say Wolfowitz shares a great deal of the blame. He frequently predicted the Iraqi people would warmly welcome American troops, said there was no doubt Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and told Congress Iraq's oil would pay most of its reconstruction costs, which the administration now concedes is not the case.

SEN. EDWARD KENNEDY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: Someone ought to be accountable for it. Someone ought to be accountable.

KING: Democrats say Mr. Bush will get his money because the mission cannot fail but they also complain it will balloon the deficit to record levels and put a squeeze on education, highway, and other domestic spending.

SEN. CARL LEVIN (D), MICHIGAN: This huge sum is a bitter pill for the American people to swallow.

(END VIDEOTAPE) KING: And, as we watched this play out today and will watch it play out in the days ahead, a reminder in today's debate we may well be having this conversation and this debate a year from now as well. The administration budget request envisions 110,000 U.S. troops still in Iraq one year from now. That is four times as many as the administration was banking on just a few months ago -- Aaron.

BROWN: And the explanation for why it is four times as many as they were banking on a few months back is?

KING: That the security situation is not what they had assumed it would, that the transition to democracy is taking much longer, that the infrastructure was destroyed in ways they never envisioned and that it will take a long time for international troops to come in and, even if they come, there will be much fewer than the administration would like.

BROWN: John, thank you, our Senior White House Correspondent John King, pleased to have you with us tonight.

We began the evening by talking about the collision between hope and reality. Just ask Peter Ueberroth. He had hoped by now he would be seen as a real contender in the California Recall race. He came to the race with a bushel basket full of ideas and a belief that ideas mattered. Tonight, he's a non candidate.

His ideas attracted little support and he acknowledged as much today, reporting for us tonight CNN's Kelly Wallace.

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WALLACE (voice-over): After failing to light a fire with California's voters, Republican Peter Ueberroth announces he's out of the race.

PETER UEBERROTH, FORMER CALIFORNIA GOV. CANDIDATE: So, to be practical, I'm a businessman. I've taken a look at what we're doing and I've said if I can't win, win all the way that I'm going to step out.

WALLACE: In a poll released Tuesday, Ueberroth trailed the other major candidates scoring just five percent with likely voters, his same showing as last month. The former baseball commissioner now says he'll sit down with the major Republican, Democratic, and Independent replacement candidates before deciding who to endorse.

UEBERROTH: I'm going to meet with people. Yes, I look people in the eye and I want to find out what they really think.

WALLACE: Ueberroth's exit follows the departure of Republican businessman Bill Simon last month and comes as some Republicans privately worry that the remaining GOP candidates could split the vote and keep the governorship in Democratic hands.

In Tuesday's poll, Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger is slightly behind the major Democrat Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante; however, the poll shows if State Senator Tom McClintock, a conservative Republican, gets out, Schwarzenegger takes the lead. But, McClintock told CNN's "INSIDE POLITICS" he has no plans to exit.

SEN. TOM MCCLINTOCK (R), CALIFORNIA GOV CANDIDATE: Oh, no. I'm in this race right to the finish line.

WALLACE: But will Republicans step up the pressure on McClintock? Ueberroth for his part says he was not pressured. He says he received just one call one month ago from a Republican urging the GOP to rally around one candidate. Ueberroth says that call came from Congressman David Dreier, a Schwarzenegger adviser.

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WALLACE: Aides say the majority of Ueberroth supporters were Republicans and most were older voters all very interested in Ueberroth's economic plans and so the questions this evening where do those supporters go now and which candidate stands to benefit most -- Aaron.

BROWN: We'll deal with that in a little bit. Just what is the sort of next major moment here, predictable moment? There could be countless unpredictable ones, the next debate, the next whatever.

WALLACE: The next debate will be key. That is September 24 and that is the one debate that Arnold Schwarzenegger says he will be participating in. And, Aaron, I was talking on the phone this evening with the press secretary for the California Republican Party asking if state party leaders would start putting pressure on one of the candidates, Tom McClintock, to get out of the race. They say that pressure really isn't coming just yet.

They say they're still looking ahead. The race, they say, could still change. They believe about ten to 14 days out from the election is when the party likely could decide to endorse one candidate and try to encourage all Republicans to vote for that person -- Aaron.

BROWN: About two weeks from now, Kelly thank you very much.

A little more on California now, we're joined from Irvine, California by Dan Schnur, Peter Ueberroth's former campaign manager. And, in Sacramento, California, syndicated columnist, radio host Jill Stewart, good to have you both with us.

Dan, let me start with you. Maybe this is a bit philosophical for a night like this but do you find it discouraging at all that a candidate who really did, I mean a classic non politician, a guy who came to this campaign without uttering a negative word about anybody, full of ideas and possibilities, got so little traction?

DAN SCHNUR, FMR. CAMPAIGN MANAGER, PETER UEBERROTH FOR GOVERNOR: Well, Aaron, it was certainly our misjudgment. I think, and I am still encouraged that on a longer campaign calendar, on the traditional eight, nine, ten month campaign that a candidate like Peter Ueberroth, who pledged to run a positive campaign and did, pledged to run a substantive issue based and very detailed and specific campaign could be successful in a state like California.

But, the nature of the Recall election with such a short calendar, just eight or nine weeks, there just really wasn't time for that sort of discussion. In a longer race, I think voters would have been willing to listen to, respond to, and respond favorably to what Peter had to say but under such hyper intensity there really wasn't the opportunity for that to happen.

BROWN: I mean you've been around campaigns a long time. You've been involved in a number of them. Are you not a little bit discouraged by sort of the nature of politics as we practice it these days?

SCHNUR: Well, that is one of the discouraging things about this Recall election is people tend to lose focus that there is not a recall in California because of what one candidate or the other did 30 years ago.

We're not having a recall in California because of medicinal marijuana or same sex marriages or the death penalty. We're having a recall election because the state is in a very, very bad economic situation and Peter tried to focus that conversation on jobs and job creation.

Again, I think over a longer campaign with more of an opportunity to talk to the voters he would have been successful. In eight weeks, that's just something there wasn't time for.

BROWN: Jill, who gets his vote, that which it was?

JILL STEWART, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: Well, I don't know if his vote goes anywhere because I think he was attracting the sort of people who were interested in the good government, not really very good on television, almost nurdishly (ph) type guy and they might just dissipate into the ether, the political ether.

I'm not convinced at all that they go anywhere. They may stay home. There is no candidate like him in the race really and I don't think they're just looking for somebody who matches him.

So, I know a lot of people are saying well that's instantly Schwarzenegger or that's instantly to McClintock, I don't think there's any proof of that at all. They're going to have -- those two guys are going to have to fight for those votes.

BROWN: Do they automatically go to a Republican by the way?

STEWART: Well, they are Republican voters, most of them, and I don't think they're dying to vote for Cruz Bustamante who is way to the left of Gray Davis, although Gray Davis has gone so far to the left in the last three weeks that I can barely recognize him. So, I don't think they're going to be voting Democrat. They might stay home.

BROWN: OK and what do you think the prospects are, the chances are that come Election Day Mr. McClintock will still be in the race? STEWART: I think the chances are very good. I think he's a loner. He hasn't voted for about seven of the last eight budgets in California even under a Republican governor. He's a total loner. He does what he wants. He doesn't listen to the party. I don't think he's going to change. I mean he might change but I'd be amazed if he changes now.

BROWN: So, you think he is, in fact, in it to the end? I mean every candidate says they're in it to the end until they're not.

STEWART: I think he believes it now and I think he believes it tomorrow. I don't -- I can't imagine what would make him change. Maybe somewhere in his heart he'll realize that he wants a liberal to a moderate social Republican in there who's a fiscal conservative but I really think Tom McClintock is a true believer, hard core conservative Republican and I think he'd rather see Gray Davis or Bustamante twist in the wind frankly.

BROWN: I'm going to move on to this question of gender gap. It came out in the polls. It's certainly been floating around the campaign for the last several days. Jill, you said an interesting thing about this today I thought that this isn't really simply about today in the two parties. This is about the tomorrow in the two parties, the future of these two parties in California.

STEWART: Yes, this is a huge battle over tectonic plates of politics in California. There's a huge group of middle of the road voters, like working women, who in other states vote Republican but in California they've been voting Democrat for quite a few years.

They got driven out of the party by the hard core right wing conservative Republicans who are the tail wagging the dog here in California. They could be brought back into the fold though. The Democrats will do anything to stop these middle of the road working women from being brought back into the fold. They can't afford that because they could lose the whole state back to the middle of the road Republicans who lost this state several years ago.

BROWN: Dan, do you think that this question of gender gap is overstated where Mr. Schwarzenegger is concerned or that it represents, as the polls would suggest, an almost winning margin or losing margin for him?

SCHNUR: Well, the biggest gap it seems to me is not so much a gender gap between male and female voters but a marriage gap, if you will, between married and unmarried voters.

When a Republican wins an election in California or elsewhere it's because that candidate is able to attract married female voters, particularly moderate voters of the kind Jill is talking about. The opportunity exists for either Schwarzenegger or McClintock.

There's a lot of centrist voters who became very comfortable with the economic message of Bill Clinton, of Dianne Feinstein, and to some extent of Gray Davis. I don't think they're going to be nearly as comfortable with an economic message from Cruz Bustamante who tends to lean more left and that presents an opportunity for a Republican candidate or candidates to win those voters back.

BROWN: And, Jill, last word, half a minute, how important is Maria Shriver, Mrs. Schwarzenegger, if you will, for the rest of the go?

STEWART: I think she's really important. She's a tough, extremely, extremely successful woman who has held her own in a marriage to a superstar. If she's out there she softens the edges of the Schwarzenegger reality.

And that's why a bunch of union women went out in Sacramento yesterday and stopped her from having her press conference and screamed her down and ruined everything so that she couldn't get her photo op. She can change the campaign course among a lot of women I think for Schwarzenegger.

BROWN: Jill, good to have you with us, come back.

STEWART: Thank you.

BROWN: And, Dan, obviously not a happy day for you and not an easy day so we particularly appreciate your coming tonight.

SCHNUR: Happy to, thank you very much.

BROWN: Thank you very much.

Ahead on NEWSNIGHT, perhaps some closure for abuse victims as a Catholic Church in Boston agrees to a settlement with people suing because of abuse by priests there.

And, in the state of Alabama today voters deciding if raising taxes is the Christian thing to do.

From New York, this is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: When he was installed back in July, Boston Archbishop Sean O'Malley said this about the church leadership and the priest abuse scandal. "We are sinners" he said "and we say that we are sorry."

Today, the archbishop made clear that those words were not just more of the reluctant lip service the victims got under the old leadership. Today, sorry could be measured in eight figures and two words that were worth even more than that, never again.

Here's our Boston Bureau Chief Dan Lothian.

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DAN LOTHIAN, CNN BOSTON BUREAU CHIEF (voice-over): Victims of abuse at the hands of clergy in court marking the end of a long and difficult legal battle with Boston's archdiocese. GARY BERGERON, PRIEST ABUSE VICTIM: From this day forward in the eyes of you people, in the eyes of the church, I am not an alleged victim of clergy abuse. I am recognized. I'm a survivor.

BERNIE MCDADE, PRIEST ABUSE VICTIM: I came forward on a simple premise, this has to stop. This has to stop for the children and we are today a step closer to that as being a reality.

LOTHIAN: In a landmark church settlement, the archdiocese has agreed in principle to pay 552 victims of abuse $85 million. Depending on the level of abuse some will receive $80,000, others $300,000.

ROBERT SHERMAN, PLAINTIFFS' ATTORNEY: This is not the ideal result but this is the right result.

LOTHIAN: In addition, the archdiocese will provide therapy and offer access to spiritual counseling.

FATHER CHRIS COYNE, SPOKESMAN, ARCHDIOCESE OF BOSTON: We admit our mistakes. We've learned from our mistakes and we're doing everything that we can to make sure that they never happen again.

LOTHIAN: This agreement comes after two intense days of secret negotiations involving Boston's Archbishop Sean O'Malley. He took control after Cardinal Bernard Law was forced to resign in the wake of the sex scandal.

(on camera): This is a done deal in the sense that the basic framework of this agreement won't change. What could change is the dollar amount, that $85 million. If less than 80 percent of the victims sign onto this deal then a lower amount could be negotiated. By the way, the victims have 37 days to opt in or out. Those who opt out could still continue with their own legal action.

Dan Lothian, CNN, Boston.

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BROWN: A few more items now from around the country beginning in Baltimore, another go round for the Democratic presidential candidates tonight, their second televised debate, this one sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus.

Most of the night again devoted to taking shots at the president over Iraq but Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio took a swipe at Congressman Gephardt of Missouri. Senator Lieberman landed a haymaker on Governor Dean who countered with a jab of his own, the subject there the Middle East.

And, during parts of the night, and when I was looking at it, large parts of the night hecklers from Lyndon Larouche (ph) upstaged them all.

Other items here, Simon and Garfunkel are Simon and Garfunkel again, Paul and Artie who have spent almost as much time apart, sometimes far apart, as they have making music together are going to make music together again. Today they announced their first concert tour in 20 years, Paul Simon saying their performance at the Grammys this year helped patch up their friendship.

And, Charles McKinley didn't bother sitting in a railway station with a ticket to his destination. No, he went homeward bound. How many of these will we get in by air freight? Boxing himself up and shipping himself from New York to Texas, you got to be kidding.

He might have gotten away with it too but he popped out of his crate a bit too soon. The delivery man called the police who arrested Mr. McKinley on some outstanding warrants. What they have not figured out yet is what else to charge him with. He was delivered on time.

Coming up on NEWSNIGHT, a warning ahead, National Guard and Reserve troops are warned they may have to stay on active duty even longer.

We'll talk with one member of the Senate Armed Services Committee who's quite concerned about that, that and more as NEWSNIGHT continues on CNN.

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BROWN: We're going to tread on some delicate territory here now for the first time.

It's about reservists serving now in Iraq. About 20,000 Army, National Guard, or Reserve troops have been told they may have their tours extended by a few months, which would mean a total of more than a year away from home for some of them. We heard from a few of their wives last night, one who said: "This is infuriating. How can they treat people like this?" Said another, "This is a huge injustice."

It's hard not to sympathize, but it's also hard not to think, hey, this is the deal that reservists willingly signed up for.

Senator Ben Nelson is a Democrat from Nebraska, where many people serve in the National Guard. He's a critic of how the Pentagon has been dealing with the Reserve issue, though he was a supporter of the president's policy to go into Iraq.

It's good to see you, Senator. Thank you for joining us.

SEN. BEN NELSON (D), NEBRASKA: Thank you, Aaron.

BROWN: I think it is fair to say it is not quite so simple as: Stop whining. You signed on for this. Just accept it and do your duty.

NELSON: Oh, I agree.

I think every reservist, every Guardsmen understands that this is the deal. The difficulty is, though, that lengthy deployments and multiple deployments really are very difficult for reservists and the Guard, because they put their lives back home on hold, their families on hold. And while that may have been part of the deal, we have to recognize that it's going to be harder to have retention and recruitment if we don't take what I would hope would be an enlightened approach to deployments.

BROWN: Let's talk about that in a second. And excuse my ignorance on this, but are reservists guaranteed by law their jobs back when they get home?

NELSON: Well, generally, yes.

But they can forego promotions, salary increases, and a lot of other things while their life and their job and their family back home are on hold. And keep in mind that many of their financial obligations back home are based on the salary that that job provides, not the military pay. And we've tried to balance that out with deployment pay and with a couple of other opportunities for them to be able to set aside money in a savings account, with some tax incentives to help them through this in the future.

But, at the present time, they're facing some very stiff hardships. And we've got to recognize that if we're going to retain and recruit the best and the brightest in the Guard and in the reserves.

BROWN: In a sense, Senator, isn't this exactly what the country bargained for when it downsized the armed services? We're at a point now where we can't engage in major military campaigns without the reserves, as is clearly going on in Afghanistan and Iraq. So, in that sense, is this a policy failure, that we got too small too fast?

NELSON: Well, I don't know if it's that or whether the transformation that we're undergoing right now in the military, changing, if you will, some of the component parts, so that you've got not all the reliances on military police or on certain skill sets and/or specialities with the Guard and the reserves, because that's part of the problem.

If your regular military, your active-duty military, has more of these component parts, or you're able to find another way to balance them out, then you probably don't have to rely on the Guard or the Reserve to the level that we do. So it's not as simple as saying that we downsized. It's a matter of what the mix of component parts are.

BROWN: So where do we go? We've got this huge commitment in Iraq.

NELSON: Well, I think the real sense here is that you can't continue to rely on the reserves or the Guard with lengthy and multiple deployments and have it work.

So we're going to have to move up, if you will, the transformation of the active military in order to be able to take these additional responsibilities into account. Obviously, there isn't an overnight solution.

BROWN: I'm not sure I understand what -- honestly, I'm not sure I understand what that means, that you have to change this transformation, meaning what?

NELSON: Well, we have to speed up the process of getting the right component parts, the right mix in the military. It's not simply about the right size.

It's about the right component parts, the right skills, the right component parts, such as M.P.s and other specialties, so that they are sufficient in the active-duty corps, so that you're not having to rely as heavily as we are right now on the Reserve and Guard units. I mean, that's the difficulty, because the active-duty military, the soldiers, are going to be rotated and sent home, whereas you're going to have multiple deployments, most likely, for Guard and Reserve units.

And that wasn't part of the bargain. Certainly, I think it's -- we're having excessive reliance. And we've got to move quickly. But we can't solve it overnight, unfortunately.

BROWN: Senator, it's nice to have you on the program -- Senator Nelson from Nebraska with us this evening. Thank you very much.

NELSON: Thank you, Aaron.

BROWN: And as the program continues, an interesting election question, as Alabamans are asked to vote for a tax increase, because, they were told, it was the Christian thing to do.

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BROWN: We never thought the phrase "How would Jesus vote?" would make it into the program. It has.

It has to do with Alabama's Republican governor, who tried to push through a tax increase by saying good Christians should understand his reasoning. His opponents, including many in his own party, said the opposite: A vote to raise taxes isn't Christian at all.

We, of course, can't tell you how Jesus would vote. We're not that good here. But we can tell you that the good people of Alabama, Christian and otherwise, voted against the tax increase today.

More on the fight from CNN's Gary Tuchman.

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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Alabama's Republican governor, Bob Riley, campaigned for office on a strict tax cut platform.

GOV. BOB RILEY (R), ALABAMA: Ready, guys?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, let me think. What do I want to do?

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(LAUGHTER)

TUCHMAN: But he's undergone a conversion of sorts and has led a campaign to raise taxes by $1.2 billion. He says it's the Christian thing to do.

RILEY: What's more important, foster care or education? What's more important, prescription drugs or nursing home care? Because we're going to have to make some brutal decisions next week if this does not pass.

TUCHMAN: Alabama is almost $700 million in the hole and ranks near the bottom of the nation in many social categories. Many Alabamans agree taxes and being faithful to God are intertwined. But to some, that means a no vote on the tax increase.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I tell you, they're trying to bombard us and tell us they're losing millions and billions of dollars! But I tell you, I'm not voting upon materialism. I'm voting upon morals.

TUCHMAN: Alabama's Christian Coalition agrees and says the state has been financially irresponsible.

JOHN GILES, CHRISTIAN COALITION OF ALABAMA: We think that stewardship is the problem at the core of this whole debate. And so, Jesus spoke more in the New Testament about money and the handling of money than he did about being born again.

TUCHMAN: Some observers say the governor would have been helped politically by referring to something else many voters are pious about.

BOB INGRAM, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: Not making light, making this as a jest, but I think, had he told the people up front, he and the school superintendent, that, if this measure doesn't pass, we'll have to discontinue a lot of extracurricular activities, including like football. And in this crazy state, where the quality of the football is, I fear, more important than the quality of education, I think it would have made a difference.

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TUCHMAN: High school football is important in this state, but, many will argue, not nearly as important as lowering taxes. And those were the loudest voices, because, less than an hour ago, the governor took the podium behind me here in this hotel ballroom and conceded defeat.

And a large defeat it was. With 88 percent of the vote now counted, 32 percent say, yes, raise the taxes; 68 percent say, no, do not raise taxes. The governor told everyone here in the ballroom that he will now have to reduce government services, but he will try to be judicious about it. It was a very festive ballroom, Aaron, but it emptied out very quickly -- back to you.

BROWN: Gary, thank you very much -- Gary Tuchman in Montgomery tonight.

A few more stories from around the world now, beginning in North Korea, shades of Moscow 1963. Hundreds of thousands of flag-waving, always-happy people and poster-carrying school girls marching past one another, the last of the old-time communist leaders on the planet celebrating today the occasion of the 55th anniversary of the founding of North Korea back in 1948. Notably absent were tanks and missiles or even a major display of soldiers. No accident, this. Observers believe North Korea is trying to ease tensions, especially with the south.

Singapore next and the return of testing for SARS. Haven't said that for a while. It comes as authorities there reported a new case, the first since the World Health Organization declared the virus contained. Everyone who came in contact with the patient has been placed in quarantine.

And a tremendously talented and controversial figure has died, Leni Riefenstahl, the filmmaker whose camera, it is fair to say, loved Adolf Hitler. She made two documentaries, one called about the '36 Olympic Games, and the other called "Triumph of the Will," both of which are still considered the most compelling propaganda films ever created. She said she knew nothing of the Holocaust and confronted Hitler on his anti-Semitism. And she apologized for none of her work. She was 101.

Ahead on NEWSNIGHT: warriors or peacekeepers, or perhaps even something more complex, American soldiers juggling different and difficult roles on the ground in Iraq, a special report from CNN's Walt Rodgers after the break.

This is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: It is famously said that the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in the mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. If that's true, the good minds of American forces in Iraq are getting a mighty workout these days: people trained to fight, to destroy, who are finding themselves also working to rebuild and repair, sometimes doing both on the same day, a test, indeed.

The story from CNN's Walter Rodgers, again with the troops in Iraq.

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WALTER RODGERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is called maintaining your edge.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roger. Highlander 12 fire mission, a truck at the base of the hill.

RODGERS: The 101st Airborne in Iraq on live-fire exercises. Fighting is a perishable skill. It must be practiced. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roger that. Hey, sir, he's got ammunition for one more round, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

RODGERS: Although Washington declared combat operations finished in May, gradually, some American soldiers trained for these high- intensity conflicts have come to see an inconsistency, even a flaw, in White House policies.

SGT. ERIC GERESSY, U.S. ARMY: I've been in the Army 15 years. And we're trained primarily for one thing. And that's for taking objectives, fighting, killing the enemy. And then, when you go from that to, OK, now we're going to go over here, we're going to rebuild a school, or we're going to do this type of mission, it's a lot of stuff that we're really not trained to do.

RODGERS: Sergeant Sean Driskel (ph) is a combat engineer trained to blow up things, lay mines and concertina wire. After the war, he was ordered to repair this water-pumping station to restore drinking water and irrigation to thousands of farmers. Officers have high praise for these men.

LT. COL. JOE BUCHE, U.S. ARMY: Corporal Buchin (ph), who one day is worried about fire support, how we interrogate artillery and Air Force aircraft into the war, and the next moment, he's supervising literally hundreds of local workers to clean up a canal.

RODGERS: Corporal Andy Buchin said he felt like Indiana Jones. Still, tens of thousands of Iraqis now have water and these workers are paid salaries by the U.S. Army.

LT. COL. HANK ARNOLD, U.S. ARMY: And one minute, we were doing humanitarian assistance, police-type operations. And then, on a dime, we had to turn around and conduct military operations in urban terrain that only infantrymen can do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Robot formation, staggered.

RODGERS: By night, the same Americans who dig village wells, harvest crops and repair Iraqi schools by day risk their lives patrolling towns that still remain loyal to Saddam Hussein.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Six-one-six, we are at the police station. Over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roger.

RODGERS: The U.S. soldiers here are not always enthusiastic about helping Iraqis, especially after their comrades are killed by the people they are trying to help, hostility here evident in sullen looks and body language, especially when this patrol neared the mosque.

(on camera): At the heart of this debate is whether Washington policy-makers should require soldiers, warriors, from perhaps the most accomplished Army in the world to perform tasks for which they are not trained, namely nation-building in Iraq.

(voice-over): Privately, and occasionally publicly, soldiers express misgivings about the president's talk of Iraqi democracy.

SPC. JOEL BRIDGEMAN, U.S. ARMY: I don't think that they're ready. Actually, I -- they've been under a religious sort of rule in a Muslim society for so long, I don't know if they're ready or if they even want a democracy.

RODGERS: Some admit they hate being here. Said one soldier privately, "You wouldn't believe the things that are said about Bush and Rumsfeld." Ask them on camera about George W. Bush and they reply more discretely.

SGT. BOULER, U.S. ARMY: Yes, but what do you want to talk about, though?

RODGERS (on camera): I just want to know what you would say if I said George W. Bush? I was...

BOULER: President of the United States. What else you got?

RODGERS (voice-over): Soldiering is rarely easy. Many merely console themselves with the fact Saddam Hussein was deposed.

PFC. JOHN CUSHMAN, U.S. ARMY: I like to think that this was a necessary action and that we cut it off at the head and that my family and my friends back in the states are better off for it.

RODGERS: An article of faith? Soldiers rely on those articles of faith nearly as much as they rely on their weapons.

Walter Rodgers, CNN, Talifar, Iraq.

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BROWN: A view from Iraq tonight.

The view of morning papers after the break. This is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: Alrighty. Alrighty? Forget that.

Time to check morning papers from around the country and around the world. A lot of interesting things, actually, in the papers. Well, there are often interesting things in the papers today, including today or tomorrow or whatever the heck this thing is about.

"The New York Times." This is a couple of examples of why I think "The Times" is a great newspaper, OK? Here's their take on the downloading of music, the file-sharing flap. "New Parent-to-Child Chat: Do You Download Music?" You bet parents are having a conversation with their teenagers these days after the lawsuits were filed.

And then down in the corner here, as we approach the anniversary of September 11, "For One 9/11 Family, Five Waves of Grief." It is a wonderfully written story by Dan Barry about a family in Staten Island. This is worth just going on the Web and reading it. It's too complicated to explain, but it's a terrific story. And lot of other cool things in "The Times."

"The Times Herald-Record," as long we're in New York state. This is Upstate New York: "9/11 Victims Can Sue Airlines. Hijacking Was Foreseeable Risk," is their front page. And up at the top there, I guess it's food day in many newspapers. "No Carbs Invited" is the headline. Yes.

"The Washington Times." Religion on the front page. Down in the corner, "Priest Resigns. Cites Gay Bishop as Reason. Episcopal Church Faces Schism." And then also, next door to that story, "Graduating in Faith: Evangelical Schools Serve as Places of Hope," a series looking at Christian colleges in "The Washington Times."

"The Boston Herald," of course, they led with the priest abuse scandal. And here's there's headline on it, "Clo$ure," with a big dollar sign. "Victims Weigh $85 Million Church Offer."

How we doing on time?

One minute, OK.

"The Dallas Morning Herald." Oh, wasn't this the weirdest story of the day? No, not Simon and Garfunkel. "Stowaway Flyer Talks Outside the Box." I like that. "New Yorker says plan was free ride to Dallas, not captivity in crate." And they document Charles D. McKinley's flight. His quote: "I remember sitting on rollers feeling other crates slammed against me." I've had that feeling in coach.

"The San Francisco Chronicle" of course leads with "Peter Ueberroth Drops Out of Recall Race. Ex-Baseball Czar to Endorse Someone Later." Do those endorsements help? I've never really known. And down at the bottom, a very good story that will get a lot of attention, I think. "Patriot Act Under Attack in Congress. Bill Would Repeal Parts of the Anti-Terror Law."

One -- let's do "The Chicago Sun-Times" and then we'll say goodbye. "Reverend Jackson Can't Bully Me, Daley Says" -- Daley, the mayor. "Mayor Will Not be Forced Into Accepting Black Candidates For Top Cop." The weather tomorrow: expialidocious. You may remember, yesterday was supercalifragilistic.

We'll see you tomorrow. Good night for all of us at NEWSNIGHT.

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AARON BROWN, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening again, everyone.
So often it seems our hopes and our realities collide. We always find ourselves hoping that by some force of reason or perhaps a higher power the madness that is the Israeli-Palestinian conflict will cease.

Henry Kissinger was on the program the other night and we asked him if he was surprised at how little had changed in the region in 30 years. Yes, he said, neither side had come to grips with fundamental obstacles. Too many Palestinians cannot accept that Israel has a right to exist as a Jewish state in peace. Too many Israelis, he added, can't accept that the occupied territories must be returned.

Each side will hear those words and find fault and, as they do, the madness will go on and it did again today and it's where we begin the whip, Matthew Chance covering the deadly attacks in Israel. Matthew, start us off with a headline please.

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Aaron, thank you, and the people of Israel have, of course, been bracing themselves for some kind of attack but the events of this evening exceeding the worst fears of very, very many people here, twin suicide bombings in separate areas of Israel that have in total left at this stage 13 Israelis confirmed dead and many more injured. We'll have all the details when we're back.

BROWN: Matthew, thank you. We'll get to you at the top tonight.

On now to the continuing fallout of the president's request for $87 billion to fund the war and the reconstruction in Iraq, again our Senior White House Correspondent John King with us tonight so, John, a headline.

JOHN KING, CNN SR. WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Aaron, in asking for that $87 billion today, the number two man at the Pentagon went up to Capitol Hill. He told Congress members should be more confident, more upbeat. He said the United States is doing a fantastic job in Iraq. It would be a considerable understatement to make clear many lawmakers in both parties made clear they very much disagree -- Aaron.

BROWN: John, thank you.

A high profile exit from the California Recall race today, Kelly Wallace continues her coverage from Los Angeles so, Kelly, a headline. KELLY WALLACE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Aaron, Peter Ueberroth, the former baseball commissioner knows a thing or two about winning but he looked at the numbers, decided he could not win so he is getting out and now a big question many politicos are asking this evening who stands to benefit most by Ueberroth's departure -- Aaron.

BROWN: Kelly, thank you.

And, on to a fascinating political fight over the Alabama Republican governor's push to raise taxes and how he tried to sell the proposal, Gary Tuchman in Montgomery, Alabama tonight, Gary a headline.

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Aaron, when it comes to raising taxes what would Jesus do? Well, here in Alabama where the Ten Commandments is still a major issue, voters went to the polls to decide whether to hike taxes. We'll have that story a little later in the show -- Aaron.

BROWN: Thank you, Gary, back with you and the rest shortly.

Also coming up tonight on NEWSNIGHT the day that victims of abusive priests in Boston have been waiting a long time for, a settlement with the church and, just as important to them, recognition of their suffering. Our Boston Bureau Chief Dan Lothian joins us with that.

Also tonight, Walt Rodgers back again with some of the American forces in Iraq, the struggle for warriors to be something else as well, something just as important right now in Iraq, nation builders.

And, for those of you who love the news that would be all of you wouldn't it, but hate the messy newsprint, we do the dirty work for you. It is our look at tomorrow morning's papers tonight, all that and more in the hour ahead.

We begin tonight in the Middle East where once again the story, depressingly so, differs only in detail from so many before. Two bombings instead of one this time, X number of casualties instead of Y, Hamas claiming responsibility not Hezbollah, Abu Allah (ph) condemning the attack not Abu Mazen but otherwise the same story martyrdom, victim hood, and suffering all around.

From Jerusalem tonight here's CNN's Matthew Chance.

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CHANCE (voice-over): Amid scenes of devastation emergency workers picked through the wreckage of what was a popular cafe in West Jerusalem. The dead and injured evacuated from the scene leaving police to scour the area for forensic evidence.

GIL KLEIMAN: A suicide bomber attempted to enter the cafe. There was a security guard on the scene for some reason. We don't know if there was an altercation with them or not. The suicide bomber succeeded in entering the cafe about three, four steps and blew himself inside.

CHANCE: Just hours earlier another suicide bomber struck at a crowded hitchhiker and bus stop outside an Israeli army base near Tel Aviv, the dead and injured mainly conscripts in uniform going home for the night.

Hamas says it carried out both attacks a response, it says, to Israel's military strikes on their leaders. Israel is pledging it will not relent amid renewed calls for action against the Palestinian President Yasser Arafat.

PZAHI HANEGREE, ISRAELI PUBLIC SECURITY MINISTER: The main problem is Arafat. The Palestinian chairman, the American administration defined as an obstacle for peace is an obstacle for peace and since we are so desperate to achieve peace it's about time that we will deal with his presence here, presence that is devastating to the aspirations of both the Israelis and Palestinians.

CHANCE: The Palestinian Authority has condemned the bombings and is urging restraint but at such a volatile moment in this conflict mere words to Israel may not be enough.

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CHANCE: Well, as a measure of his concern the Israeli media reporting that Ariel Sharon, the Israeli Prime Minister, may now cut short his official visit to India to come back into this crisis and to plan what his government will do next. Few doubt though here on the ground that these twin deadly suicide bombings will be answered -- Aaron.

BROWN: Let me ask you to quickly answer something that may be impossible to quickly answer. There I guess are pros and cons to expelling Yasser Arafat. The cons I guess are that you make him to some a martyr. The pros are exactly what?

CHANCE: Well, I suppose from Israel's point of view, and this is being discussed and so I think it's an important question that we answer, the pros I suppose from Israel's point of view is that they see this man as somebody who has failed repeatedly to move against the Palestinian militant groups, someone who perhaps behind the scenes may even be not just turning a blind eye but actually encouraging the militant groups to do this.

Obviously, this is something the Palestinian Authority rejects totally but nevertheless Israel is debating the possibility of what to do about Yasser Arafat, whether to move against him, to go so far as to exile him from the Palestinian territories -- Aaron.

BROWN: Matthew thank you, Matthew Chance in Jerusalem, whatever the combinations are in that at the end of the day we have two more terrorist attacks in Israel tonight.

On to Iraq, the selling of the war part two, if you will, and something Senator Chuck Hagel, the Republican from Nebraska, said this morning about part one. The administration, he said, treated many in Congress, most in Congress, like a nuisance.

This time around winning support in Congress is an $87 billion necessity and while few expect the administration to fail, members of the administration got a roasting today before the Senate Armed Services Committee.

Here again our Senior White House Correspondent John King.

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KING (voice-over): Out on the road another friendly Republican audience and a president who sounds as optimistic as can be.

GEORGE W. BUSH, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: This is the work that history has set before us. We welcome it and we know that for our country and our cause the best days lie ahead.

KING: But back in Washington, a bipartisan assault on the administration's Iraq policy.

SEN. ROBERT BYRD (D), WEST VIRGINIA: Congress is not an ATM. We have to be able to explain this new, enormous bill to the American people.

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: We underestimated the size of the challenge that we would face after the "military operations" were completed.

KING: Taking the heat was Deputy Defense Secretary Paul Wolfowitz, a key architect of the Iraq policy and on hand this day to explain the new $87 billion war budget request.

PAUL WOLFOWITZ, DEPUTY DEFENSE SECRETARY: Confidence is part of winning. We need to project confidence and we have every reason to project confidence because we've done a fantastic job.

KING: But many of the lawmakers asking the questions disagree and say Wolfowitz shares a great deal of the blame. He frequently predicted the Iraqi people would warmly welcome American troops, said there was no doubt Saddam Hussein had weapons of mass destruction and told Congress Iraq's oil would pay most of its reconstruction costs, which the administration now concedes is not the case.

SEN. EDWARD KENNEDY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: Someone ought to be accountable for it. Someone ought to be accountable.

KING: Democrats say Mr. Bush will get his money because the mission cannot fail but they also complain it will balloon the deficit to record levels and put a squeeze on education, highway, and other domestic spending.

SEN. CARL LEVIN (D), MICHIGAN: This huge sum is a bitter pill for the American people to swallow.

(END VIDEOTAPE) KING: And, as we watched this play out today and will watch it play out in the days ahead, a reminder in today's debate we may well be having this conversation and this debate a year from now as well. The administration budget request envisions 110,000 U.S. troops still in Iraq one year from now. That is four times as many as the administration was banking on just a few months ago -- Aaron.

BROWN: And the explanation for why it is four times as many as they were banking on a few months back is?

KING: That the security situation is not what they had assumed it would, that the transition to democracy is taking much longer, that the infrastructure was destroyed in ways they never envisioned and that it will take a long time for international troops to come in and, even if they come, there will be much fewer than the administration would like.

BROWN: John, thank you, our Senior White House Correspondent John King, pleased to have you with us tonight.

We began the evening by talking about the collision between hope and reality. Just ask Peter Ueberroth. He had hoped by now he would be seen as a real contender in the California Recall race. He came to the race with a bushel basket full of ideas and a belief that ideas mattered. Tonight, he's a non candidate.

His ideas attracted little support and he acknowledged as much today, reporting for us tonight CNN's Kelly Wallace.

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WALLACE (voice-over): After failing to light a fire with California's voters, Republican Peter Ueberroth announces he's out of the race.

PETER UEBERROTH, FORMER CALIFORNIA GOV. CANDIDATE: So, to be practical, I'm a businessman. I've taken a look at what we're doing and I've said if I can't win, win all the way that I'm going to step out.

WALLACE: In a poll released Tuesday, Ueberroth trailed the other major candidates scoring just five percent with likely voters, his same showing as last month. The former baseball commissioner now says he'll sit down with the major Republican, Democratic, and Independent replacement candidates before deciding who to endorse.

UEBERROTH: I'm going to meet with people. Yes, I look people in the eye and I want to find out what they really think.

WALLACE: Ueberroth's exit follows the departure of Republican businessman Bill Simon last month and comes as some Republicans privately worry that the remaining GOP candidates could split the vote and keep the governorship in Democratic hands.

In Tuesday's poll, Republican Arnold Schwarzenegger is slightly behind the major Democrat Lieutenant Governor Cruz Bustamante; however, the poll shows if State Senator Tom McClintock, a conservative Republican, gets out, Schwarzenegger takes the lead. But, McClintock told CNN's "INSIDE POLITICS" he has no plans to exit.

SEN. TOM MCCLINTOCK (R), CALIFORNIA GOV CANDIDATE: Oh, no. I'm in this race right to the finish line.

WALLACE: But will Republicans step up the pressure on McClintock? Ueberroth for his part says he was not pressured. He says he received just one call one month ago from a Republican urging the GOP to rally around one candidate. Ueberroth says that call came from Congressman David Dreier, a Schwarzenegger adviser.

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WALLACE: Aides say the majority of Ueberroth supporters were Republicans and most were older voters all very interested in Ueberroth's economic plans and so the questions this evening where do those supporters go now and which candidate stands to benefit most -- Aaron.

BROWN: We'll deal with that in a little bit. Just what is the sort of next major moment here, predictable moment? There could be countless unpredictable ones, the next debate, the next whatever.

WALLACE: The next debate will be key. That is September 24 and that is the one debate that Arnold Schwarzenegger says he will be participating in. And, Aaron, I was talking on the phone this evening with the press secretary for the California Republican Party asking if state party leaders would start putting pressure on one of the candidates, Tom McClintock, to get out of the race. They say that pressure really isn't coming just yet.

They say they're still looking ahead. The race, they say, could still change. They believe about ten to 14 days out from the election is when the party likely could decide to endorse one candidate and try to encourage all Republicans to vote for that person -- Aaron.

BROWN: About two weeks from now, Kelly thank you very much.

A little more on California now, we're joined from Irvine, California by Dan Schnur, Peter Ueberroth's former campaign manager. And, in Sacramento, California, syndicated columnist, radio host Jill Stewart, good to have you both with us.

Dan, let me start with you. Maybe this is a bit philosophical for a night like this but do you find it discouraging at all that a candidate who really did, I mean a classic non politician, a guy who came to this campaign without uttering a negative word about anybody, full of ideas and possibilities, got so little traction?

DAN SCHNUR, FMR. CAMPAIGN MANAGER, PETER UEBERROTH FOR GOVERNOR: Well, Aaron, it was certainly our misjudgment. I think, and I am still encouraged that on a longer campaign calendar, on the traditional eight, nine, ten month campaign that a candidate like Peter Ueberroth, who pledged to run a positive campaign and did, pledged to run a substantive issue based and very detailed and specific campaign could be successful in a state like California.

But, the nature of the Recall election with such a short calendar, just eight or nine weeks, there just really wasn't time for that sort of discussion. In a longer race, I think voters would have been willing to listen to, respond to, and respond favorably to what Peter had to say but under such hyper intensity there really wasn't the opportunity for that to happen.

BROWN: I mean you've been around campaigns a long time. You've been involved in a number of them. Are you not a little bit discouraged by sort of the nature of politics as we practice it these days?

SCHNUR: Well, that is one of the discouraging things about this Recall election is people tend to lose focus that there is not a recall in California because of what one candidate or the other did 30 years ago.

We're not having a recall in California because of medicinal marijuana or same sex marriages or the death penalty. We're having a recall election because the state is in a very, very bad economic situation and Peter tried to focus that conversation on jobs and job creation.

Again, I think over a longer campaign with more of an opportunity to talk to the voters he would have been successful. In eight weeks, that's just something there wasn't time for.

BROWN: Jill, who gets his vote, that which it was?

JILL STEWART, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: Well, I don't know if his vote goes anywhere because I think he was attracting the sort of people who were interested in the good government, not really very good on television, almost nurdishly (ph) type guy and they might just dissipate into the ether, the political ether.

I'm not convinced at all that they go anywhere. They may stay home. There is no candidate like him in the race really and I don't think they're just looking for somebody who matches him.

So, I know a lot of people are saying well that's instantly Schwarzenegger or that's instantly to McClintock, I don't think there's any proof of that at all. They're going to have -- those two guys are going to have to fight for those votes.

BROWN: Do they automatically go to a Republican by the way?

STEWART: Well, they are Republican voters, most of them, and I don't think they're dying to vote for Cruz Bustamante who is way to the left of Gray Davis, although Gray Davis has gone so far to the left in the last three weeks that I can barely recognize him. So, I don't think they're going to be voting Democrat. They might stay home.

BROWN: OK and what do you think the prospects are, the chances are that come Election Day Mr. McClintock will still be in the race? STEWART: I think the chances are very good. I think he's a loner. He hasn't voted for about seven of the last eight budgets in California even under a Republican governor. He's a total loner. He does what he wants. He doesn't listen to the party. I don't think he's going to change. I mean he might change but I'd be amazed if he changes now.

BROWN: So, you think he is, in fact, in it to the end? I mean every candidate says they're in it to the end until they're not.

STEWART: I think he believes it now and I think he believes it tomorrow. I don't -- I can't imagine what would make him change. Maybe somewhere in his heart he'll realize that he wants a liberal to a moderate social Republican in there who's a fiscal conservative but I really think Tom McClintock is a true believer, hard core conservative Republican and I think he'd rather see Gray Davis or Bustamante twist in the wind frankly.

BROWN: I'm going to move on to this question of gender gap. It came out in the polls. It's certainly been floating around the campaign for the last several days. Jill, you said an interesting thing about this today I thought that this isn't really simply about today in the two parties. This is about the tomorrow in the two parties, the future of these two parties in California.

STEWART: Yes, this is a huge battle over tectonic plates of politics in California. There's a huge group of middle of the road voters, like working women, who in other states vote Republican but in California they've been voting Democrat for quite a few years.

They got driven out of the party by the hard core right wing conservative Republicans who are the tail wagging the dog here in California. They could be brought back into the fold though. The Democrats will do anything to stop these middle of the road working women from being brought back into the fold. They can't afford that because they could lose the whole state back to the middle of the road Republicans who lost this state several years ago.

BROWN: Dan, do you think that this question of gender gap is overstated where Mr. Schwarzenegger is concerned or that it represents, as the polls would suggest, an almost winning margin or losing margin for him?

SCHNUR: Well, the biggest gap it seems to me is not so much a gender gap between male and female voters but a marriage gap, if you will, between married and unmarried voters.

When a Republican wins an election in California or elsewhere it's because that candidate is able to attract married female voters, particularly moderate voters of the kind Jill is talking about. The opportunity exists for either Schwarzenegger or McClintock.

There's a lot of centrist voters who became very comfortable with the economic message of Bill Clinton, of Dianne Feinstein, and to some extent of Gray Davis. I don't think they're going to be nearly as comfortable with an economic message from Cruz Bustamante who tends to lean more left and that presents an opportunity for a Republican candidate or candidates to win those voters back.

BROWN: And, Jill, last word, half a minute, how important is Maria Shriver, Mrs. Schwarzenegger, if you will, for the rest of the go?

STEWART: I think she's really important. She's a tough, extremely, extremely successful woman who has held her own in a marriage to a superstar. If she's out there she softens the edges of the Schwarzenegger reality.

And that's why a bunch of union women went out in Sacramento yesterday and stopped her from having her press conference and screamed her down and ruined everything so that she couldn't get her photo op. She can change the campaign course among a lot of women I think for Schwarzenegger.

BROWN: Jill, good to have you with us, come back.

STEWART: Thank you.

BROWN: And, Dan, obviously not a happy day for you and not an easy day so we particularly appreciate your coming tonight.

SCHNUR: Happy to, thank you very much.

BROWN: Thank you very much.

Ahead on NEWSNIGHT, perhaps some closure for abuse victims as a Catholic Church in Boston agrees to a settlement with people suing because of abuse by priests there.

And, in the state of Alabama today voters deciding if raising taxes is the Christian thing to do.

From New York, this is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: When he was installed back in July, Boston Archbishop Sean O'Malley said this about the church leadership and the priest abuse scandal. "We are sinners" he said "and we say that we are sorry."

Today, the archbishop made clear that those words were not just more of the reluctant lip service the victims got under the old leadership. Today, sorry could be measured in eight figures and two words that were worth even more than that, never again.

Here's our Boston Bureau Chief Dan Lothian.

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DAN LOTHIAN, CNN BOSTON BUREAU CHIEF (voice-over): Victims of abuse at the hands of clergy in court marking the end of a long and difficult legal battle with Boston's archdiocese. GARY BERGERON, PRIEST ABUSE VICTIM: From this day forward in the eyes of you people, in the eyes of the church, I am not an alleged victim of clergy abuse. I am recognized. I'm a survivor.

BERNIE MCDADE, PRIEST ABUSE VICTIM: I came forward on a simple premise, this has to stop. This has to stop for the children and we are today a step closer to that as being a reality.

LOTHIAN: In a landmark church settlement, the archdiocese has agreed in principle to pay 552 victims of abuse $85 million. Depending on the level of abuse some will receive $80,000, others $300,000.

ROBERT SHERMAN, PLAINTIFFS' ATTORNEY: This is not the ideal result but this is the right result.

LOTHIAN: In addition, the archdiocese will provide therapy and offer access to spiritual counseling.

FATHER CHRIS COYNE, SPOKESMAN, ARCHDIOCESE OF BOSTON: We admit our mistakes. We've learned from our mistakes and we're doing everything that we can to make sure that they never happen again.

LOTHIAN: This agreement comes after two intense days of secret negotiations involving Boston's Archbishop Sean O'Malley. He took control after Cardinal Bernard Law was forced to resign in the wake of the sex scandal.

(on camera): This is a done deal in the sense that the basic framework of this agreement won't change. What could change is the dollar amount, that $85 million. If less than 80 percent of the victims sign onto this deal then a lower amount could be negotiated. By the way, the victims have 37 days to opt in or out. Those who opt out could still continue with their own legal action.

Dan Lothian, CNN, Boston.

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BROWN: A few more items now from around the country beginning in Baltimore, another go round for the Democratic presidential candidates tonight, their second televised debate, this one sponsored by the Congressional Black Caucus.

Most of the night again devoted to taking shots at the president over Iraq but Congressman Dennis Kucinich of Ohio took a swipe at Congressman Gephardt of Missouri. Senator Lieberman landed a haymaker on Governor Dean who countered with a jab of his own, the subject there the Middle East.

And, during parts of the night, and when I was looking at it, large parts of the night hecklers from Lyndon Larouche (ph) upstaged them all.

Other items here, Simon and Garfunkel are Simon and Garfunkel again, Paul and Artie who have spent almost as much time apart, sometimes far apart, as they have making music together are going to make music together again. Today they announced their first concert tour in 20 years, Paul Simon saying their performance at the Grammys this year helped patch up their friendship.

And, Charles McKinley didn't bother sitting in a railway station with a ticket to his destination. No, he went homeward bound. How many of these will we get in by air freight? Boxing himself up and shipping himself from New York to Texas, you got to be kidding.

He might have gotten away with it too but he popped out of his crate a bit too soon. The delivery man called the police who arrested Mr. McKinley on some outstanding warrants. What they have not figured out yet is what else to charge him with. He was delivered on time.

Coming up on NEWSNIGHT, a warning ahead, National Guard and Reserve troops are warned they may have to stay on active duty even longer.

We'll talk with one member of the Senate Armed Services Committee who's quite concerned about that, that and more as NEWSNIGHT continues on CNN.

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BROWN: We're going to tread on some delicate territory here now for the first time.

It's about reservists serving now in Iraq. About 20,000 Army, National Guard, or Reserve troops have been told they may have their tours extended by a few months, which would mean a total of more than a year away from home for some of them. We heard from a few of their wives last night, one who said: "This is infuriating. How can they treat people like this?" Said another, "This is a huge injustice."

It's hard not to sympathize, but it's also hard not to think, hey, this is the deal that reservists willingly signed up for.

Senator Ben Nelson is a Democrat from Nebraska, where many people serve in the National Guard. He's a critic of how the Pentagon has been dealing with the Reserve issue, though he was a supporter of the president's policy to go into Iraq.

It's good to see you, Senator. Thank you for joining us.

SEN. BEN NELSON (D), NEBRASKA: Thank you, Aaron.

BROWN: I think it is fair to say it is not quite so simple as: Stop whining. You signed on for this. Just accept it and do your duty.

NELSON: Oh, I agree.

I think every reservist, every Guardsmen understands that this is the deal. The difficulty is, though, that lengthy deployments and multiple deployments really are very difficult for reservists and the Guard, because they put their lives back home on hold, their families on hold. And while that may have been part of the deal, we have to recognize that it's going to be harder to have retention and recruitment if we don't take what I would hope would be an enlightened approach to deployments.

BROWN: Let's talk about that in a second. And excuse my ignorance on this, but are reservists guaranteed by law their jobs back when they get home?

NELSON: Well, generally, yes.

But they can forego promotions, salary increases, and a lot of other things while their life and their job and their family back home are on hold. And keep in mind that many of their financial obligations back home are based on the salary that that job provides, not the military pay. And we've tried to balance that out with deployment pay and with a couple of other opportunities for them to be able to set aside money in a savings account, with some tax incentives to help them through this in the future.

But, at the present time, they're facing some very stiff hardships. And we've got to recognize that if we're going to retain and recruit the best and the brightest in the Guard and in the reserves.

BROWN: In a sense, Senator, isn't this exactly what the country bargained for when it downsized the armed services? We're at a point now where we can't engage in major military campaigns without the reserves, as is clearly going on in Afghanistan and Iraq. So, in that sense, is this a policy failure, that we got too small too fast?

NELSON: Well, I don't know if it's that or whether the transformation that we're undergoing right now in the military, changing, if you will, some of the component parts, so that you've got not all the reliances on military police or on certain skill sets and/or specialities with the Guard and the reserves, because that's part of the problem.

If your regular military, your active-duty military, has more of these component parts, or you're able to find another way to balance them out, then you probably don't have to rely on the Guard or the Reserve to the level that we do. So it's not as simple as saying that we downsized. It's a matter of what the mix of component parts are.

BROWN: So where do we go? We've got this huge commitment in Iraq.

NELSON: Well, I think the real sense here is that you can't continue to rely on the reserves or the Guard with lengthy and multiple deployments and have it work.

So we're going to have to move up, if you will, the transformation of the active military in order to be able to take these additional responsibilities into account. Obviously, there isn't an overnight solution.

BROWN: I'm not sure I understand what -- honestly, I'm not sure I understand what that means, that you have to change this transformation, meaning what?

NELSON: Well, we have to speed up the process of getting the right component parts, the right mix in the military. It's not simply about the right size.

It's about the right component parts, the right skills, the right component parts, such as M.P.s and other specialties, so that they are sufficient in the active-duty corps, so that you're not having to rely as heavily as we are right now on the Reserve and Guard units. I mean, that's the difficulty, because the active-duty military, the soldiers, are going to be rotated and sent home, whereas you're going to have multiple deployments, most likely, for Guard and Reserve units.

And that wasn't part of the bargain. Certainly, I think it's -- we're having excessive reliance. And we've got to move quickly. But we can't solve it overnight, unfortunately.

BROWN: Senator, it's nice to have you on the program -- Senator Nelson from Nebraska with us this evening. Thank you very much.

NELSON: Thank you, Aaron.

BROWN: And as the program continues, an interesting election question, as Alabamans are asked to vote for a tax increase, because, they were told, it was the Christian thing to do.

Around the world, this is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: We never thought the phrase "How would Jesus vote?" would make it into the program. It has.

It has to do with Alabama's Republican governor, who tried to push through a tax increase by saying good Christians should understand his reasoning. His opponents, including many in his own party, said the opposite: A vote to raise taxes isn't Christian at all.

We, of course, can't tell you how Jesus would vote. We're not that good here. But we can tell you that the good people of Alabama, Christian and otherwise, voted against the tax increase today.

More on the fight from CNN's Gary Tuchman.

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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Alabama's Republican governor, Bob Riley, campaigned for office on a strict tax cut platform.

GOV. BOB RILEY (R), ALABAMA: Ready, guys?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now, let me think. What do I want to do?

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TUCHMAN: But he's undergone a conversion of sorts and has led a campaign to raise taxes by $1.2 billion. He says it's the Christian thing to do.

RILEY: What's more important, foster care or education? What's more important, prescription drugs or nursing home care? Because we're going to have to make some brutal decisions next week if this does not pass.

TUCHMAN: Alabama is almost $700 million in the hole and ranks near the bottom of the nation in many social categories. Many Alabamans agree taxes and being faithful to God are intertwined. But to some, that means a no vote on the tax increase.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I tell you, they're trying to bombard us and tell us they're losing millions and billions of dollars! But I tell you, I'm not voting upon materialism. I'm voting upon morals.

TUCHMAN: Alabama's Christian Coalition agrees and says the state has been financially irresponsible.

JOHN GILES, CHRISTIAN COALITION OF ALABAMA: We think that stewardship is the problem at the core of this whole debate. And so, Jesus spoke more in the New Testament about money and the handling of money than he did about being born again.

TUCHMAN: Some observers say the governor would have been helped politically by referring to something else many voters are pious about.

BOB INGRAM, SYNDICATED COLUMNIST: Not making light, making this as a jest, but I think, had he told the people up front, he and the school superintendent, that, if this measure doesn't pass, we'll have to discontinue a lot of extracurricular activities, including like football. And in this crazy state, where the quality of the football is, I fear, more important than the quality of education, I think it would have made a difference.

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TUCHMAN: High school football is important in this state, but, many will argue, not nearly as important as lowering taxes. And those were the loudest voices, because, less than an hour ago, the governor took the podium behind me here in this hotel ballroom and conceded defeat.

And a large defeat it was. With 88 percent of the vote now counted, 32 percent say, yes, raise the taxes; 68 percent say, no, do not raise taxes. The governor told everyone here in the ballroom that he will now have to reduce government services, but he will try to be judicious about it. It was a very festive ballroom, Aaron, but it emptied out very quickly -- back to you.

BROWN: Gary, thank you very much -- Gary Tuchman in Montgomery tonight.

A few more stories from around the world now, beginning in North Korea, shades of Moscow 1963. Hundreds of thousands of flag-waving, always-happy people and poster-carrying school girls marching past one another, the last of the old-time communist leaders on the planet celebrating today the occasion of the 55th anniversary of the founding of North Korea back in 1948. Notably absent were tanks and missiles or even a major display of soldiers. No accident, this. Observers believe North Korea is trying to ease tensions, especially with the south.

Singapore next and the return of testing for SARS. Haven't said that for a while. It comes as authorities there reported a new case, the first since the World Health Organization declared the virus contained. Everyone who came in contact with the patient has been placed in quarantine.

And a tremendously talented and controversial figure has died, Leni Riefenstahl, the filmmaker whose camera, it is fair to say, loved Adolf Hitler. She made two documentaries, one called about the '36 Olympic Games, and the other called "Triumph of the Will," both of which are still considered the most compelling propaganda films ever created. She said she knew nothing of the Holocaust and confronted Hitler on his anti-Semitism. And she apologized for none of her work. She was 101.

Ahead on NEWSNIGHT: warriors or peacekeepers, or perhaps even something more complex, American soldiers juggling different and difficult roles on the ground in Iraq, a special report from CNN's Walt Rodgers after the break.

This is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: It is famously said that the test of a first-rate intelligence is the ability to hold two opposing ideas in the mind at the same time and still retain the ability to function. If that's true, the good minds of American forces in Iraq are getting a mighty workout these days: people trained to fight, to destroy, who are finding themselves also working to rebuild and repair, sometimes doing both on the same day, a test, indeed.

The story from CNN's Walter Rodgers, again with the troops in Iraq.

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WALTER RODGERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is called maintaining your edge.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roger. Highlander 12 fire mission, a truck at the base of the hill.

RODGERS: The 101st Airborne in Iraq on live-fire exercises. Fighting is a perishable skill. It must be practiced. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roger that. Hey, sir, he's got ammunition for one more round, sir.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.

RODGERS: Although Washington declared combat operations finished in May, gradually, some American soldiers trained for these high- intensity conflicts have come to see an inconsistency, even a flaw, in White House policies.

SGT. ERIC GERESSY, U.S. ARMY: I've been in the Army 15 years. And we're trained primarily for one thing. And that's for taking objectives, fighting, killing the enemy. And then, when you go from that to, OK, now we're going to go over here, we're going to rebuild a school, or we're going to do this type of mission, it's a lot of stuff that we're really not trained to do.

RODGERS: Sergeant Sean Driskel (ph) is a combat engineer trained to blow up things, lay mines and concertina wire. After the war, he was ordered to repair this water-pumping station to restore drinking water and irrigation to thousands of farmers. Officers have high praise for these men.

LT. COL. JOE BUCHE, U.S. ARMY: Corporal Buchin (ph), who one day is worried about fire support, how we interrogate artillery and Air Force aircraft into the war, and the next moment, he's supervising literally hundreds of local workers to clean up a canal.

RODGERS: Corporal Andy Buchin said he felt like Indiana Jones. Still, tens of thousands of Iraqis now have water and these workers are paid salaries by the U.S. Army.

LT. COL. HANK ARNOLD, U.S. ARMY: And one minute, we were doing humanitarian assistance, police-type operations. And then, on a dime, we had to turn around and conduct military operations in urban terrain that only infantrymen can do.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Robot formation, staggered.

RODGERS: By night, the same Americans who dig village wells, harvest crops and repair Iraqi schools by day risk their lives patrolling towns that still remain loyal to Saddam Hussein.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Six-one-six, we are at the police station. Over.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roger.

RODGERS: The U.S. soldiers here are not always enthusiastic about helping Iraqis, especially after their comrades are killed by the people they are trying to help, hostility here evident in sullen looks and body language, especially when this patrol neared the mosque.

(on camera): At the heart of this debate is whether Washington policy-makers should require soldiers, warriors, from perhaps the most accomplished Army in the world to perform tasks for which they are not trained, namely nation-building in Iraq.

(voice-over): Privately, and occasionally publicly, soldiers express misgivings about the president's talk of Iraqi democracy.

SPC. JOEL BRIDGEMAN, U.S. ARMY: I don't think that they're ready. Actually, I -- they've been under a religious sort of rule in a Muslim society for so long, I don't know if they're ready or if they even want a democracy.

RODGERS: Some admit they hate being here. Said one soldier privately, "You wouldn't believe the things that are said about Bush and Rumsfeld." Ask them on camera about George W. Bush and they reply more discretely.

SGT. BOULER, U.S. ARMY: Yes, but what do you want to talk about, though?

RODGERS (on camera): I just want to know what you would say if I said George W. Bush? I was...

BOULER: President of the United States. What else you got?

RODGERS (voice-over): Soldiering is rarely easy. Many merely console themselves with the fact Saddam Hussein was deposed.

PFC. JOHN CUSHMAN, U.S. ARMY: I like to think that this was a necessary action and that we cut it off at the head and that my family and my friends back in the states are better off for it.

RODGERS: An article of faith? Soldiers rely on those articles of faith nearly as much as they rely on their weapons.

Walter Rodgers, CNN, Talifar, Iraq.

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BROWN: A view from Iraq tonight.

The view of morning papers after the break. This is NEWSNIGHT.

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BROWN: Alrighty. Alrighty? Forget that.

Time to check morning papers from around the country and around the world. A lot of interesting things, actually, in the papers. Well, there are often interesting things in the papers today, including today or tomorrow or whatever the heck this thing is about.

"The New York Times." This is a couple of examples of why I think "The Times" is a great newspaper, OK? Here's their take on the downloading of music, the file-sharing flap. "New Parent-to-Child Chat: Do You Download Music?" You bet parents are having a conversation with their teenagers these days after the lawsuits were filed.

And then down in the corner here, as we approach the anniversary of September 11, "For One 9/11 Family, Five Waves of Grief." It is a wonderfully written story by Dan Barry about a family in Staten Island. This is worth just going on the Web and reading it. It's too complicated to explain, but it's a terrific story. And lot of other cool things in "The Times."

"The Times Herald-Record," as long we're in New York state. This is Upstate New York: "9/11 Victims Can Sue Airlines. Hijacking Was Foreseeable Risk," is their front page. And up at the top there, I guess it's food day in many newspapers. "No Carbs Invited" is the headline. Yes.

"The Washington Times." Religion on the front page. Down in the corner, "Priest Resigns. Cites Gay Bishop as Reason. Episcopal Church Faces Schism." And then also, next door to that story, "Graduating in Faith: Evangelical Schools Serve as Places of Hope," a series looking at Christian colleges in "The Washington Times."

"The Boston Herald," of course, they led with the priest abuse scandal. And here's there's headline on it, "Clo$ure," with a big dollar sign. "Victims Weigh $85 Million Church Offer."

How we doing on time?

One minute, OK.

"The Dallas Morning Herald." Oh, wasn't this the weirdest story of the day? No, not Simon and Garfunkel. "Stowaway Flyer Talks Outside the Box." I like that. "New Yorker says plan was free ride to Dallas, not captivity in crate." And they document Charles D. McKinley's flight. His quote: "I remember sitting on rollers feeling other crates slammed against me." I've had that feeling in coach.

"The San Francisco Chronicle" of course leads with "Peter Ueberroth Drops Out of Recall Race. Ex-Baseball Czar to Endorse Someone Later." Do those endorsements help? I've never really known. And down at the bottom, a very good story that will get a lot of attention, I think. "Patriot Act Under Attack in Congress. Bill Would Repeal Parts of the Anti-Terror Law."

One -- let's do "The Chicago Sun-Times" and then we'll say goodbye. "Reverend Jackson Can't Bully Me, Daley Says" -- Daley, the mayor. "Mayor Will Not be Forced Into Accepting Black Candidates For Top Cop." The weather tomorrow: expialidocious. You may remember, yesterday was supercalifragilistic.

We'll see you tomorrow. Good night for all of us at NEWSNIGHT.

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