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Ohio Officer Fatally Shoots Unarmed Black Man In Bed; Jackson Residents Face Long Lines, Short Supply Of Water; Serena Williams Advances to the Third Round Of U.S. Open. Aired 11:30a-12p ET

Aired September 01, 2022 - 11:30   ET



DR. PAUL OFFIT, MEMBER, FDA VACCINE ADVISORY COMMITTEE: Right way. They looked at people who've gotten three doses of the original recipe vaccine, the so-called ancestral vaccine, and then the fourth dose was either with the ancestral vaccine or with this five valent vaccine. In that case, it was the so-called BA.1 Roma cranberry. And what they did -- then did was look to see whether or not when you got that five valent vaccines, then you have a clear and dramatic increase in neutralizing antibodies against that BA.1 strain.

And they didn't. They had about a 1.5 to 1.75 fold increase in neutralizing antibodies, which while statistically significant, was unlikely to make a clinical impact. And so that's why we voted no. So hopefully, with this new bi-Valent vaccine, which doesn't contain the BA.1 strain, but rather contains BA.4, BA.5, they will be able to show that -- in people that you get a much greater immune response against the BA.4, BA.5, which is what you want. So the idea is the right one, but you just need to prove it.

ERICA HILL, CNN ANCHOR: Right. So the idea is there, the panel's meeting today, it's likely that they're going to recommend right this booster that does specifically target Omicron. So when people are trying to understand the difference, how do you explain it to them?

OFFIT: Well, here's what I would say. I think the question is who really benefits from another dose? I mean, the CDC has shown that people who've gotten three doses are generally -- are less likely to be hospitalized, and those who got two, and those who got four were less likely to be hospitalized than those who got three. But who are those people? Who are those people who are getting hospitalized? It really falls into three groups. One is the elderly, meaning people over 65, two is people who have the kind of serious health problems, say chronic lung disease, which when they get a mild or moderate infection, lands them in the hospital, and three, is people who are immunocompromised.

I think what the advisory committee is going to be voting on later this afternoon is, are we going to allow distribution of the Moderna vaccine for everybody over 18 or the Pfizer vaccine for everybody over 12? And that what I fear is that they're going to say everybody should get it when in fact, a healthy young person really is unlikely to benefit from a booster dose. And so I hope they targeted more specifically, to those really, who are most likely to benefit from this additional dose.

HILL: So if they don't because right now, as it stands, if you are 50 and over, if you have, you know, a pre-existing condition, yes, you could be eligible, but otherwise, as you point out, younger people are not. If it is, in fact, authorized, Pfizer would be authorized for 12 and up as you point out, Moderna, 18 and up, why not get it, right? If it does give you even if it's a smaller benefit, is there any reason not to get the booster?

OFFIT: I think there -- that when you're asking people to get a vaccine, I think there has to be clear evidence of benefit in -- we're not going to have clinical studies, obviously before this launches, but you'd like to have at least human data. People you know, getting this vaccine, do you see a clear and dramatic increase in neutralizing antibodies? And then at least you have a correlate of protection against the -- against BA.4 and BA.5 because if you don't have that, if there's no clear evidence of benefit, then it's not fair, I think for these people to take a risk no matter how -- well the benefit should be clear.

HILL: OK. So as we wait for more on that, I did want to get your take on something else, you know. You and I have talked so much over the last couple of years as we've got -- we've, you know, gone through this COVID with so many other people. I was struck by new findings about learning loss today.

So this is the first national report that compares pre and post-COVID learning and found that it erased two decades, two decades of math and reading progress were raced for nine-year rolls after the pandemic. Online learning was a major factor here. And we know that early learning is key, right? It has a long-lasting impact for later in life, not just continuing schooling, but later in life. What was your take on that?

OFFIT: It's tragic. I think no one has suffered this pandemic, the -- more than the young children. They've suffered through the lack of socialization and lack of play with it -- with their playmates and lack of you know, being able to be in a -- in a room with a teacher who can one-on-one, you know, instruct. It's just -- it's tragic. No one has suffered I think more than our children.

HILL: Dr. Paul Offit, always good to have you with us. Thank you.

OFFIT: Thank you.

HILL: One more help for a story for you this hour. If you really want to get the most out of every day, what can you do? Pretty simple, says Dr. Sanjay Gupta, drink more water. Here's today's "CHASING LIFE."


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HILL: New this morning, Ohio police releasing bodycam video of a Columbus police officer shooting and killing an unarmed black man in his bed. We're hearing now from the family of 20-year-old Donovan Lewis. CNN's Brynn Gingras is joining us now with more. So what happened in this case?

BRYNN GINGRAS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. So this happened early yesterday morning. It was a 2:30, search warrant that was being executed. It's not clear who that was against. But there were three men in the apartment building where the police officers went in early that morning. It's really important to note here before we take a look at this video that police officers say they were outside the apartment complex or building -- apartment for like eight to 10 minutes before they were actually allowed in. And then after that, they said is anyone else here? And when they weren't getting a response, knowing someone else was there, this person who died, Donovan Lewis, they sent in a dog.

So now I want to show you the bodycam video. It is a little bit disturbing. I do want to warn you about that. But take a look. This is the moment where this dog has been signaled, hey, there's someone in this bedroom. And right there, that is the single shot that was fired. And that is the shot that killed this 20-year-old in his bedroom.

And that is really the shot where the family of this 20-year-old is saying that was excessive. Why was that shot taken so quickly right after that door was opened? And that's also what's up for investigation at this point by the -- by the criminal Bureau of Investigations. It's an independent investigation that's going to look at the totality of this.

And listen, it's a good thing here that there is bodycam video because a couple of years ago, that was not the case, but certainly, this is just so alarming on both sides. Investigators not taking this lightly and, of course, the family is incredibly distraught. They just had a news conference. And I want to quickly read a statement that they had released prior to that news conference saying this.

This excessive and completely unnecessary force has become all too common in Columbus. Rest assured we will get justice for Donovan and do everything in our power to stop the senseless killings. There cannot be one more young black life taken this way.

So this family says that they support this investigation that's ongoing. Of course, the police are saying let's take a minute, let's take a beat, let's not jump to conclusions, and let this investigation play out. But, of course, it's -- there's a lot of tension there, especially in Columbus where we've seen these incidents many times before.

HILL: Yes, absolutely. Brynn, appreciate it. Thank you.

GINGRAS: All right.

HILL: Well, here in New York City, lawmakers are designating Time Square as a gun-free zone. This is a new state law limiting where firearms can be legally carried in public that takes effect today. This is in direct response to the U.S. Supreme Court striking down New York's concealed firearms law in June. There are some exceptions when it comes to these rules in New York City, including for those who live and work in Times Square. Other gun-free areas include New York subways, schools, restaurants, and parks.

I want to get you up to date on the latest on the water crisis in Mississippi as we continue to follow these developments. Residents in Jackson now being told they can shower using city water, that's if their city water works, as long as they keep their mouths closed when they shower. This is now the fourth day without clean water for more than 150,000 people in the state's capitol. Historic rainfall and flooding leading to a failure of the city's water treatment plant. People have been lining up for hours to get bottled water. The city's mayor says he's optimistic water could be restored this week but concedes there's a huge mountain to climb. And we should also note there have been decades, decades of issues when it comes to water in this city.

Coming up here, Serena Williams' magical run at the U.S. Open certainly captivating audiences, so what's next for the queen of the court? Could it be another Grand Slam title? We'll discuss it next.



HILL: Now to the story that certainly feels like everyone is talking about. Serena Williams, a tennis legend advancing to the third round of the U.S. Open after a thrilling match last night. On the heels of that victory, the 23-time Singles Grand Slam champ said this year's Open feels different.


SERENA WILLIAMS, 23-TIME MAJOR CHAMPION: I don't have anything to prove. I don't have anything to win. And I have absolutely nothing to lose. And honestly, I never get to play like this since '98, really. Literally, I've had an X on my back since '99. So it's kind of fun, and I really enjoy just coming out and enjoying it. And it's been a long time since I've been able to do that.


HILL: Joining me now, CNN sports analyst Christine Brennan. She's a sports columnist for USA Today. And former professional tennis player Patrick McEnroe, who's an ESPN tennis commentator and host of the "HOLDING COURT" podcast.


Patrick, I'm going to start with you because you were there last night, I mean, listen, watching it. I've been watching this with my son and we watched -- this is an incredible match, that crowd -- that record crowd. What was it like though being in there -- I don't mean just the crowd but I mean watching Serena, is this a different Serena Williams on the court right now?

PATRICK MCENROE, FORMER PROFESSIONAL TENNIS PLAYER: Well, she's playing as you just heard from her with this freedom that she's never really been able to have because she's the greatest of all time and she's been the favorite every time she goes out there. So now this was supposed to be a coronation, a swan song for Serena, everyone was ready on opening night that this was going to be a well one and done situation. Now you see that she actually is playing at a level what we saw last night where you're starting to think, wait a second, she could actually go deep in this room.

I never would have said that four or five days ago, and I've been lucky enough, Erica, to be -- have been in that stadium many times, Sampras-Agassi, Serena against Venus, and Serena when she dominated for so many years, Federer-Djokovic, Nadal-Djokovic, I mean the all- timers. And to feel the electricity last night was like I'd never felt before. This was a second-round match. That's the type of energy that she's bringing to this tournament. And it's interesting to watch her initially in the first round struggle because we're so used to seeing her dominate the field, you know.

HILL: Yes.

MCENROE: And you start to think, oh, no, is this going to be a Muhammad Ali type moment and Michael Jordan at the end of his career where she looked -- doesn't look like she really belongs out there. And now over the last couple of days, you're like, hold on a second, she can actually go all the way.

HILL: Yes. Patrick, we heard that a little bit in the commentary after night one, right? She's moving like people hadn't seen her move in years. Last night, in the second set, she started to look a little tired. MCENROE: Yes.

HILL: And then all of a sudden, that switch flipped. Third set, it was like it is on. Christine, this comment about her having an X on her back for the last 20-plus years, I know that really stood out to you. Why?

CHRISTINE BRENNAN, CNN SPORTS ANALYST: Absolutely. Patrick, great to be with you. Erica as well. And yes because I've covered her -- as Patrick was saying, I've been lucky enough to cover her for the length of her career. I was there in '99, that first win when 17-year-old Serena Williams won the first one of the 23-Grand Slam titles that she has. And I had really never thought of it that way that she was the one who was hunted right next on her back everyone shooting for. I mean, of course, but that impacted her so greatly, that when she was asked about it after the match, that's what she brought up and how she is playing fear and swinging freely.

And, Patrick, you know this well, Erica from sports you know as well, once an athlete lets their mind kind of just go and obviously you need to think, but you let the body do the work. And you know Serena is so good and has been so good for so long that even though she's almost 41, she hasn't played a lot in the last year. So her body is fresh. And knock on wood, no injuries, no problems moving forward. She's allowing herself to be able to just be a free-swinging tennis player. And my goodness, look at the results so far.

HILL: Yes, not too shabby. And you know I found it interesting too, Rennae Stubbs, who has been working with her and coaching her have talked about some of what she's doing right. She started having Serena play matches, not just practice because she hadn't played matches, so you have a different mindset. And also, she's really all about the positive reinforcement. How much of an impact do you think that has made on Serena's game?

MCENROE: I think that's been huge. I think Rennae was spot on because of what Christine said that Serena didn't play a tournament match for a year then showed up at Wimbledon and played hard in that match but was slow, was out of shape, and was not match tough. She's played a couple of tournaments this summer. And again, looking rusty, looking nervous not moving well, and all of a sudden, Rennae said to her who she's known for a long time to listen, you didn't get on the practice court with other top players and compete because normally, Serena would take the week before a major is sort of a late shoot around like -- but now it's like a full-on scrimmage.

HILL: Yes,

MCENROE: And I think that really helped her, and it helped her as she got into a tight match against -- remember, she played the number two player in the world last night. And as you said, Erica, she looked like in the -- after the second set, I was even thinking to myself, OK, it's been a nice couple of matches, but she's running out of gas a little bit. And then as you said, the switch flipped and it was vintage Serena serving huge, returning big as well, a clean winner on match point, and even shushing the crowd at some point on-- HILL: That's a tight call.

MCENROE: There are no controversial calls anymore because it's all the electronic system.

HILL: Yes, right.

MCENROE: But the crowd sort of got -- we're going against and that conduit, which I think, by the way, I love the New York crowd. I'm a New Yorker.

HILL: Right.

MCENROE: Come on, New Yorkers give a little love for the opponent once in a while.

HILL: Yes.

MCENROE: We don't need booing on double faults in this situation.

HILL: Yes, I would like to pick up on that point. Christine, I'll throw this one to you. One of the things that I've noticed in both of these matches, she is playing incredibly well, but it's also the grace and the composure of her opponents. I mean, specifically last night when you're looking at Anett Kontaveit, she's the number two player in the world who played her heart out. That's got to be really tough too to be in that position when you have 30,000 people in that stadium rooting for your opponent, who's also likely someone you spent your entire life looking up to.


BRENNAN: Well, exactly. Yes. I mean, this is their role model. They've always looked up to Serena. You know, the power game, Serena as a bigger person, I can say that I'm almost six feet tall. You know, that wasn't always what was -- what we wanted to see from our female athletes. Well, all of a sudden, Serena comes along, also the women's soccer team in 99, only 63 days apart of those two events, and now muscles and bead and strength and power. Now there's a premium on that. Now that's important. Now that's popular. And it's cool, and it's winning.

HILL: Yes.

BRENNAN: And so Serena is that to these young women. And so now you see that they've handled themselves I think, well, even though it must be tough, and it's very magical.

HILL: Yes, it's going to be. We have to leave it there but so love having both of you here.

MCENROE: Thank you.

HILL: And let's hope we're talking about another win soon, right? And thanks to all of you for joining us this hour, I'm Erica Hill. Stay tuned. "INSIDE POLITICS" with John King starts after this quick break. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)