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BIANCA NOBILO, CNN HOST: Hello and welcome to CNN special coverage of the passing of Queen Elizabeth II. I'm Bianca Nobilo overlooking the palace of


Tonight, tens of thousands of people wait in line to pay their respects as Queen Elizabeth is lying in state in Westminster Hall.

And in other headlines, we have a live report from Ukraine where the European Commission president met President Zelenskyy as the country makes

stunning gains on the battlefield.


NOBILO: We begin here in London and the extraordinary lens of people going to to pay their final respects to the Queen. On the first full day of her

body lying in state at Westminster hall, cues almost doubled compared to 24 hours ago.

Lines are now around eight kilometers long with an estimated waiting time of at least nine hours. Many in line say, it's the least they can do.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That lady gives 70 years of her life. I'm sure I can give at least these people 24 hours of our life to show respect for her.

She's everybody's grandma.


NOBILO: We're also getting new details about the Queen's funeral on Monday. There will be a national two minute silence at the end of the

service, followed by a procession through London. Now, you are looking at some of the rehearsals that have been taking place now on your screens.

The royal family are continuing to greet mourners in the meantime. Earlier, we saw the prince and princess of Wales outside Sandringham estate. This as

the king prepares to visit Wales on Friday.

Nic Robertson is at Buckingham Palace, where mourners remain camped out while Anna Stewart has been among the crowds in Westminster.

Anna, let's start with you. You were there with the crown all day yesterday and night. You are back again. We are hearing that crowds have doubled.

What have you noticed that's different today in terms of the mood and the enthusiasm to be part of this, and to pay their respects?

ANNA STEWART, CNN REPORTER: Well, you know, as you were talking, I was checking in on the live tracker of the queue. It is now 4.9 miles long, at

least nine hours. In terms of the mood, at least at this end of the queue, I'm about a mile from the end. They've only been queuing here for about an

hour and a half at this stage.

But the mood remains quite jubilant. People know what they are getting in for. I've spoken to so many people about their footwear. They've got --

there going to be here all night long. They are very much of the opinion is that this is the least that you can do, just as you heard from some where

they're saying, that's the least you could do for someone who dedicated their entire life to public duty.

They want to be there to pay their respects to the Queen, and they also say they want to be here to mark history. And I saw this so many times with

people telling me about past events they've been to.

Take a listen to one gentleman, who is particularly charming, who was walking his way.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just over an hour.

STEWART: Just over an hour?


STEWART: And you haven't stopped, it's just moving constantly?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yeah, it's great, no problem at all. We are actually quite enjoying it.

STEWART: It is a marathon.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That's what I thought and I thought I would have a go this year.

STEWART: What time are you hoping to do it in?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We will get there by eight or nine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Less than 12 hours.

STEWART: Less than 12 hours, I would hope. Roughly I'm being told it's about six hours at this stage.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, there you go.

STEWART: Why do you want to do this? Why do you feel the need to pay respects?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was at the coronation when I was a young boy.

STEWART: You are at the coronation?


STEWART: And you are walking for miles?



STEWART (on camera): Age is clearly no barrier. We are all getting ourselves in, particularly with the camera, who is actually marching

backwards at a fast pace through all of these. But yes, the moon here I would say is a jubilant one. But, of course, as they transition, they get

their way through the many miles towards the front of the queue. The mood certainly changes and you suddenly see people start to take and what they

are about to see.

It's a moment of reflection. It's a moment of silence. And certainly as they leave Westminster Hall, people are quite emotional -- Bianca.

NOBILO: Yeah, Anna. It's interesting to see those waves of emotion throughout the queue. As you say, jubilance often at the beginning, the

start of us probably a very long wait, and then more solemnity closer to Westminster Hall. Sometimes tears when people are out on the other side.

And then buoyed again I think by gratitude for the Queen service.

Nic, to you at Buckingham Palace, what we are seeing now is unprecedented in London, certainly in our lifetimes.


How far do you think that the funeral on Monday will be a much bigger operation in terms of the security that we will see, roads being blocked

off in London, and the sheer amount of people on the street, Nic?

NIC ROBERTSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL DIPLOMATIC EDITOR: This is going to be people's last opportunity to come and pay their respects to the Queen.

There will be a short journey from Westminster Hall to Westminster Abbey. The Queen will be put on the state gun carriage of the royal navy.

And unlike what we saw earlier in the week, the carrot will not be pulled by horses. It will be pulled by 142 royal navy sailors. That will be

different. This is how the Queen's father, the Queen's grandfather, and the Queen's great grandfather went to their final funeral services. So, there

will be this huge sense of history unfolding. Winston Churchill, Lord Louis Mountbatten were similarly drawn on this gun carriage by sailors as well.

So, this is a historic moment and the last opportunity to say farewell to the Queen. The service is expected at Westminster Abbey to last about an

hour, and then there is a longer procession to Wellington Gate. And then for Wellington Gate, the Queen will be taken by road in a hearse all the

way to Windsor Castle. And there, she will be laid to rest next to her husband, Prince Philip.

So, I think in terms of what people will see, the emotions that they will go through, for most people, I don't think they will have been a bigger day

in their lives. The charming gentlemen that Anna met will obviously have, you know, fond but still very clear memories of the last coronation. I

spoke to my mother, also elderly, who remembers seeing the Queen right after the coronation.

People remember these events for the rest of their lives. And I think the funeral Monday is going to be exactly that, something on forgotten through

a lifetime.

NOBILO: It is wonderful to get these personal anecdotes from the gentleman that and I was speaking to, and you mentioning about your mother. It just

briefly to you, I'm glad we've got you because we are hearing more about the guest list for the funeral itself. Obviously, that's taken upon advice

of the British government. We understand the Saudi crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, it will not be attending the funeral. But they're sort of an in

between that's happening instead.

Can you keep act talked us a little bit about that and the delicate diplomacy that's at play here?

ROBERTSON: The funeral service itself seems heads of state are being invited, and, of course, so those with other connections through the

Queen's charities and other leading figures. In the case of the Saudis, we know that King Salman, the king of Saudi Arabia, called Charles today to

have a phone conversation and offer condolences. But we now know that it would've been expected that King Salman would've been invited to the

funeral. He is, himself, quite elderly and these days, looking somewhat infirm.

His son, crowned Prince Mohammed bin Salman, we now know will come to London. He's expected to offer his personal condolences directly to King

Charles. What precisely happens after that is not quite clear. It's expected that the crown prince, Mohammed bin Salman, will return to Saudi

Arabia. But these are delicate diplomatic moments. Of course, Crown Prince Mohammed bin Salman, his reputation became tarnished back in 2018 with the

killing of journalist, Jamal Khashoggi.

But at an event like this, it really seems like royal protocol, it is the leaders and the heads of state that are coming. Although one may look at

Spain, for example, and see Spain's king and Queen coming. And actually, the King's parents, King Juan Carlos and his wife, Sofia, are coming. So,

there are modified exceptions, but these would be royals who they are long reign Juan Carlos from over 40 years would've had a relationship with the


ROBERTSON: Nic Robertson for us outside Buckingham Palace, and we will be able to speak to you on the day on Monday because I think as international

diplomatic editor with the world's dignitaries, heads of state, descending on one place. You will be very busy.

And, Anna Stewart, in amongst the crowds again, thank you so much for joining us and bringing us those stories of people who have been waiting

for us. Thank you both.

Now, a group of British lawmakers sanctioned by Beijing has criticized the decision to invite the Chinese government to the Queens funeral. There are

reports that China is considering a delegation, but it's unclear if President Xi Jinping will attend.


Russia, Belarus, and Myanmar have been excluded from taking part.

TIM LOUGHTON, BRITISH CONSERVATIVE MP: is one of those MPs and he joins me now.

Thanks for joining the program tonight, sir. Good to have you on.

LOUGHTON: Good evening.

NOBILO: So, let's start by getting your view as to whether or not you think ultimately President Xxi Jinping and Chinese representatives will

attend this funeral on Monday.

LOUGHTON: Well, it's not clear on what the President Xi has indicated he won't be coming, but they could well be sending his vice president in his

place. Our position, the seven parliamentarians, including me, who have been sanctioned by China, but also the position of the UK parliament, is

that they should never be invited in the first place. This is a regime that has committed atrocious human rights abuses an industrial scale against its

own people.

Our own parliament has voted that this, they're recognized as genocide. And they should not be invited on the same basis as other world leaders, who

acknowledge, recognize and abide by the international rules of law, which clearly, China does not.

NOBILO: So, I was just about to ask you that question because I think it was April this year that parliament voted to recognize the treatment of the

Uyghur people in Xinjiang as genocide. Given that the invitations, as far as we understand, are none in accordance with advice from the British

government, to your mind, why has an exception been made for China when Russia, Belarus, Myanmar, have been excluded?

LOUGHTON: I don't know and it's either a conspiracy or a cough up theory. I hope somebody has just messed up in the foreign office on this front.

As you say, those three nations outright have been banned from sending anybody. There are further nations we don't have diplomatic relations,

Syria, Venezuela, Afghanistan, who won't be sending people. There are other nations who have been restricted and who can be invited.

So, there are considerations that have been applied to some countries for an assortment of abuses. China should be on that list. They have committed

human rights abuses on industrial scale. Many countries, including the U.S., have recognize the genocide, which not only have they committed

against the Uyghurs in Xinjiang, but they are continuing to commit. On top of 60 years of oppression of Tibetans and increasing suppression of people

in Hong Kong now as well.

For all those reasons, we cannot treat China as an equal player, and we cannot have leaders of China sitting side by side with other world leaders

at this most important event, which is taking place at Westminster Abbey on Monday, just 100 yards away from parliament, where parliament has banned

the Chinese ambassador from coming to the palace of Westminster, whilst the sanctions remain in place for some parliamentarians just for speaking out

of what they are paid to do, and facing up to China, and naming them for the human rights abuses that they continue to commit. It's just bizarre

that China should be able to get on the guest list.

NOBILO: It does seem bizarre and as you delineate their, completely antithetical to British values. The new prime minister, Liz Truss, is well

in the leadership campaign, took a very hawkish stance on China. She talked about, you know, upgrading the level of that that it presents to the United

Kingdom, as well.

Have you had any support from her or from the cabinet, in terms of your campaign, your push to make sure that China is not included in parity with

other British allies and countries which uphold the values that Britain holds dear?

LOUGHTON: Well, we are awaiting a reply. As you say quite rightly, Liz Truss, the new prime minister, has taken a much more robust stance on

China. She is in favor of us taking further measures to recognize, in law, by the government, the genocide that has been committed and bringing

further restrictions against the Chinese regime.

So, it's doubly odd that now we have her as our prime minister that China is allowed to be treated in the same way as the other nations who are quite

rightly being invited to the funeral on Monday.

So, we are waiting for a response from the foreign secretary and we wrote to those who have been sanctioned by the foreign secretary yesterday. We've

also written to the speakers of both the House of Commons and House of Lords, to make sure that if there are any Chinese government officials

coming over, if they are invited in the end, that they are not allowed to use the facilities of the palace of Westminster, where the Chinese

ambassador is already being barred from coming, for all the time the sanctions remain on parliamentarians just for exercising outright of free

speech, something most countries in this world hold dear, but not the Chinese government.


NOBILO: Tim Loughton, thank you so much for joining us tonight. We will monitor the story because as you said, it does seem deeply bizarre,

especially as we all witnessed how meticulously planned the events of this week and the funeral appears to be. So, hopefully, we'll have some

resolution. Thank you for being with us.

The European Commission president has vowed that Europe will stand by Ukraine side for as long as it takes. We'll tell you about Ursula von der

Leyen's third visit to Kyiv since the war began.

Plus, the president of Russia and China meet in Central Asia to reaffirm their strengthening ties. But with Russia facing battlefield setbacks and

crippling Western sanctions, it's not exactly an alliance of equals.


NOBILO: Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy says it's an urgent priority for his country to acquire air defense systems to protect against

Russian missiles. He renewed his appeal after Russia attacked a major dam in his hometown of Kryvyi Rih, causing nearby homes to flood.

Mr. Zelenskyy says that the dam had no military value, blasting Russian forces as, quote, weaklings, waging war on civilians.

Mr. Zelenskyy was back on the job Thursday after what was described as a minor car accident. He hosted the European Union chief, Ursula von der

Leyen, in Kyiv.

Let's bring in CNN's Ben Wedeman for more. He is live in Kyiv for us.

Ben, great to have you on the program.

What were the main topics on the agenda for Zelenskyy and von der Leyen on this trip?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: On this trip, as you said, her third to Kyiv since the start of the war. They continue to

discuss Ukraine joining the European Union. Earlier this year, it was granted candidates status, but the actual progress of becoming a full

member of the EU takes years and Ukraine is still far behind on that process.

But she was generally upbeat, the president of the European Commission. She acknowledged the recent gains in the Kharkiv region, and she stretched the

importance of continued western support, military and financial support for Ukraine at this difficult period -- Bianca.

NOBILO: And, Ben, can you bring us up today to with the Ukrainian counteroffensive? Obviously, they have made stunning advances to capture

territory, and we have seen what Nick Paton Walsh described yesterday as fresh signs of Russian retaliation with the attack on Kryvyi Rih.


Can you tell us what is happening today? What are you seeing?

WEDEMAN: Today, there has not been much action on that particular front. It appears that the Ukrainians are pausing. They did take 1,000 square

kilometers of territory from the Russians. And therefore, it's important that they consolidate those gains and perhaps prepare for a counter attack

by the Russians.

As you mentioned, it does appear that the Russians have been humiliated on the battlefield and are using their advantage in terms of long range

missiles to target things like that dam, and also, you would recall a few days ago, they hit the power system in the city of Kharkiv, the country's

second not just city, which knocked out the power for quite some time now.

Now, what we are learning is that the Ukrainian authorities are uncovering what could turn out to be more Russian atrocities. The head of the police

in the Kharkiv region said that in the city, they recently liberated city of Izium, they found a site where they believe there could be more than 440

bodies there.

Now, we don't know the cause of their death. They say that they will investigate further tomorrow. Certainly, the suspicion is what could be

uncovered in these newly liberal are atrocities similar to what we saw, for instance, in the Kyiv suburb of Bucha, where more than -- around 450 bodies

were found, many of them showing signs of summary execution, torture and beating to death. Bianca?

NOBILO: Ben Wedeman for us in Kyiv, thank you.

Facing humiliating battlefield losses as Ben just talked about and punishing western sanctions, Russian President Vladimir Putin went with the

Chinese president teaching ping, hoping to strengthen their alliance. The two authoritarian leaders spoke on the sidelines of the regional summit in

Uzbekistan. Mr. Putin thanked China for its quote position on the Ukraine war, even as he acknowledged Beijing's questions and concerns.

As Ivan Watson explains, China appears to be walking a fine line.


IVAN WATSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It did not take long in his face to face meeting with the Chinese president for Vladimir Putin

to address the elephant in the room. His deadly invasion of Ukraine.

PRES. VLADIMIR PUTIN, RUSSIA (through translator): We highly appreciate the balanced position of our Chinese friends in connection with the

Ukrainian crisis. We understand your questions and concerns in this regard. During today's meeting, we will explain in detail our position on this

issue, although we have spoken about this before.

WATSON (voice-over): Questions and concerns about Russia's deadly war in Ukraine, a shift in tone from the last time these two leaders met. That was

in early February at the start of the Beijing Winter Olympics. At that time, these two strongmen, they clearly shared their distrust and dislike

of the U.S. government. They talked about a partnership with no limits, and they basically hinted activating a new world order that would not be

dominated by the U.S.

Just a few weeks later, Vladimir Putin and launch this invasion of Ukraine, and that war has not gone according to the Kremlin's plan. There have been

multiple humiliations of the Russian military. It's been battered, and Vladimir Putin and, arguably, is more internationally isolated than he has

ever been he needs China now more than ever.

Now, in this public statements that we have seen so far from teaching ping, he has talked more generic terms about neutral trust, about growing trade

ties and helping Russia and China defended each other for an interest. But we have not heard a full-throated endorsement of Russia's war in Ukraine,

and the White House has been picked to pick that up, arguing that when it comes to the partnership with no limits, it seems to come to an end at

Ukraine's killing fields, that the White House, the Biden administration so far, has not seen any signs of overt Chinese support for Russia's war

machine in Ukraine. Instead, Beijing has been buying discounted Russian energy supplies.

The Chinese government has made some shows of support elsewhere and symbolic cooperation when it comes to Russia. We're seeing images and

announcements of joint Russian Chinese and naval patrols currently taking place in the Pacific Ocean.


Ivan Watson, CNN, Hong Kong.


NOBILO: Up next, a step back in time, as we look at the Queen's ties with the Middle East and its ruling families.

We'll be right back.


NOBILO: It's been a day of moving tributes to Queen Elizabeth II. Thousands have waited in lines for hours, some overnight to pay their final

respects at Westminster Hall, where her majesty is lying in state until have funeral on Monday.

We have learned more about what to expect on the day itself. This queue inside Westminster Hall will close at 6:30 local time on Monday morning to

prepare for the recession to Westminster Abbey. Nearly 200 people including volunteer simply workers on the pandemic have been invited. On the day, a

two-minute silence will be observed throughout the United Kingdom. The Queen will be buried next to her husband, the duke of Edinburgh at Windsor

in a private ceremony.

The guest list include leaders from across the globe, speaks to the Queen's influence and relationships. There have been changes throughout the years.

For instance, the British colonialism in the middle when Elizabeth became monarch slowly disappeared in the years that followed. Although the Queen

witnessed the crumbling of British powder in the region, she continued to have ties with the ruling families there.

Our Becky Anderson has more.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No day has ever dawned that rival this --

BECKY ANDERSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): When Queen Elizabeth ii descended to the throne in the early 1950s, Britain was the dominant power

in the Middle East. Most countries on this map were British protectorates. Newly formed nation states such as Iraq, Jordan and Yemen were bound by

treaties that wielded Britain an exorbitant amount of control that was often contested.

While gulf states such as Oman, Bahrain and the United Emirates, then known as the -- states, were content with the British presence.

Queen Elizabeth quickly became known as a familiar face in the Middle East, making her first state visit to the region in Libya just two years after

she became head of state. She was also pictured next to the emir of Bahrain, Sheikh Hamid bin Isa al Khalifa, Kuwait's Sheikh Abdullah bin

Jabir, and the UAE's founding father, Sheikh Zayed bin Nahyan.

But behind all this smiling was a growing movement for independence.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Britain was responsible for a growing regional map at the time. Queen Elizabeth came at a time when that map was being

challenged. In that period, the region was engaged in a massive range of anti-colonial uprisings, struggles, and attempts to overthrow this British


ANDERSON: The attempts worked. And by 1971, the last vestiges of British colonialism in the Middle East had disappeared. But visits between Queen

Elizabeth and the region's rulers did not stop, particularly with those in the Gulf Corporation Counsel, or GCC, where Britain's legacy wasn't viewed

as unfavorably as in other parts of the Middle East.

JAMES ONLEY, PROFESSOR OF HISTORY, AMERICAN UNIVERSIOTY OF SHAIJAH: The number of state visits, or other high-level visits of the British royal

family to the GCC is such scale it is comparable to the royal family visits to the commonwealth realms. Members of the ruling and royal families of the

GCC formed genuine relationships with members of the royal family in Britain, which results in substantial business ties, educational ties,

cultural ties.

ANDERSON: Those ties have also been shared with royal families outside of the Gulf, such as Jordan, despite being a former British protectorate. But

for some of the region citizens, the monarchy is a symbol of British colonial rule that they blame for their current grievances.

ABDEL RAZZAQ TAKRITI, PROFESSOR OF HISTORY, BROWN UNIVERSITY: There are many people in the Arab world that do not have particular resentment to the

Queen, or the current king of England. However, they certainly disapprove of British colonial policy because it took a huge toll on the people of the


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Loftiest heritage ranks high above all else --

ANDERSON: Under Queen Elizabeth's reign, British influence in the Middle East underwent significant change, where colonial structure is dissolved,

and strategic partnerships formed that has sustain until this date.

ONLEY: Last visit to the Gulf was to Oman, where she visited the late sultan. And if you look at the photos and images, you will see the genuine

feeling of affection and friendship between those two monarchs. It is deep, it is meaningful, it is real. But it is more than just a strategic ally. It

is family.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Three cheers for his majesty the king. Hip, hip, hooray!

ANDERSON: While this crucial chapter of British history closes, a another may soon be burgeoning. As the new King Charles III looks toward the regent

to build off the relationships his mother cultivated.


NOBILO: The British public at the world at large shipping keeping a keen eye on Princes Harry and William. The brothers are bound by the tragedy of

the mother's death when they were boys, but as CNN's Richard Quest reports, as adults, the relationship has become a lot more complicated.


RICHARD QUEST, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Princes William and Harry, marching somberly together behind their grandmother's coffin on Wednesday,

echoing a painful memory of another tragic time, 25 years ago when the two young brothers united in grief, walked heartbreakingly behind the mother's

casket, their bond seemingly unbreakable.

From the time they were little, the so-called heir and despair were always together, but they're on royal duty or just horsing around.

PRINCE HARRY, DUKE OF SUSSEX: He's definite got more brains than me. We've established from school. When it comes to all the, I'm much better than

harry --


PRINCE WILLIAM, PRINCE OF WALES: It's pretty rich coming from a ginger.

QUEST: Harry was best man when the future prince of Wales married Catherine. Then it was Harry's turn to wed. William also serving as best

man for his little brother. The two sharing a private funny moment caught on camera, as they waited for his pride, the American actress, Meghan


But it was not long at that that signs of a royal rift appeared to show, whilst on a tour of Africa, this eyebrow raising comment by Prince Harry

revealed much, even though it said little.

PRINCE HARRY: We will always be brothers, were certainly on different paths the moment.

QUEST: In 2020, the duke and duchess of Sussex announced their decision to step back as working royals, the extent of that fracture glaringly obvious.

Prince William then forced to carry alone royal duties that the brothers had been expected to shoulder together. And then there was the tell-all

interview with Oprah Winfrey, from the accusation that Catherine, Princess of Wales, has caused Meghan to cry a few days before her wedding. To the

more serious allegations of racism in the royal family and a lack of support from those he was once close to.


PRINCE HARRY: The relationship is spaced at the moment.

QUEST: The airing of the royal dirty laundry rippling like an earthquake across the Atlantic.

The normally stoic and quiet future monarch defended his family against the accusations.

PRINCE WILLIAM: No, we're very much not a racist family.

QUEST: When their grandfather Prince Philip passed in April last year, many had hoped that it would be the catalyst to start the healing process.

It was a hope that seemed to be in vain.

Now, with the passing of their beloved granny, an opening, an opportunity.

A surprise joint walkabout of the prince and princess of Wales, the duke and duchess of Sussex in Windsor, where they greeted mourners, the first

time in years that the couple had appeared in public together, later showing an intimate dinner with the rest of the royals, on Tuesday night at

Buckingham Palace, a sign that perhaps this royal rift might finally be on the mend.


NOBILO: Joining me now is Richard Quest. Your piece talks about the turbulent relationship and the fact that this may present an opportunity

for like many families when grief strikes, it can bring people together. But they don't have long to capitalize on this opportunity because Prince

Harry now lives across the Atlantic.

QUEST: And it also depends on whether they actually want to. This is very deep. I think obviously, they've come together because this is what the

Queen would have wished. It's what their father, the king, would have wished -- wishes.

How they will bridge it on a longer basis, that I think the jury has to be out. William has got a different way. Harry has got a different way.

William is a lot more serious.

William is feeling the weight of history that Charles talked about. William also feels it because he is now the parts of Wales. He's no longer in line

for the throne. He's the heir to the throne.

So, everything about William's life has now taken a turbo charge, if you like. And I am sure that their personal relationship can remain extremely

strong, the professional relationship -- the relationship between the two will require more than just a visit.

NOBILO: Is it a conundrum for the monarchy? It goes without saying that all of the drama between the duke and duchess of Sussex and now the prince

and princess of Wales has not helped the brand of the monarchy. There has been a small dip in polls in terms of the popularity over the last year or

two, and some of Meghan Markle's revelations have been salacious and damaging.

So, throughout history when there has been monarchs or royals that want to go a different way, they formerly basically renounced all of their royal

obligations. We saw that with the abdication crisis, and other events. This is an interesting question. Do you think it's going to be possible going

forward for Prince Harry to be half in, half out?

QUEST: No, no.

NOBILO: So, how -- how is this resolve then?

QUEST: Well, you're talking about two different issues. The one is the family relationship between the dynamics between the two. That has to be

repaired like with any family.

NOBILO: Surely, that is inextricably linked to the brand of the monarchy and all the other --

QUEST: Not necessarily, no, because they have been told you can't do that. It's not an issue that is up for debate.

Now, could he come back and be more visible part of the family? Potentially, yes, but we have been down this road. I can almost hear our

dear viewer getting ready to send me a nasty emails --

NOBILO: Don't do that --

QUEST: Whenever we talk about this.

And we have seen before what happens when the royals start meddling, it usually ends badly. I think what Meghan and Harry have to avoid is the sort

of sadness of the duke and duchess in Windsor, after the abdication, where they spent their time in Paris wondering around Europe, doing this, that

and the other, but having a role. They have a role now. They're creating a rule in a way that the duke of Windsor was extremely bitter about the way

that they have been treated.

But here, you do have Meghan, you do have the podcasts, you have the books, you have all these things that they are involved with that will make a


NOBILO: But they are tied a bit to the fact that they are so closely associated with being working rulers, having been doing that job how long

can it be sustained?

QUEST: They can't depend on out. Edward tried it with the useful company. His wife got burned by the sting operation. Andrew has had problems before

anybody else of commercial enterprise.


Some of the more minor royals, some of the cousins have done it, and there is an argument, they have had jobs, whether they make a full living out of

it, they have husbands who -- no, it doesn't work because if you are doing a commercial job as a royal, you are selling the family.

NOBILO: There we go. That is the Quest spin on things, a good one at that.

Richard Quest, thank you for being with us.

Now from police hats to postal boxes, Queen Elizabeth's image and insignia in countless places throughout Britain, but a new monarch means that these

things will have to change, with some already happening. If you pay taxes in the UK, you are not paying them to his majesty's revenue and customs.

The Queen's face appears on banknotes and coins issued and both Britain and abroad, replacing them could take years. They have not issued a timeline

just yet.

The Queen's likeness can also be found in Canada, Australia, New Zealand and beyond.

Elizabeth II's insignia is also stitched into 10,000 police uniforms. In the future, it may change to reflect Charles III instead. New postal boxes

may also change though existing ones bearing Elizabeth cipher and King George will remain.

Next, a tentative deal has averted a potential economic disaster in the United States. We'll explain.

And some call it a physical stunt. Others say it makes an important point. America's migration debate comes from the playground of the rich and



NOBILO: A striking piece of political theater is playing out on opposite ends of the United States.

Two planes carrying about 50 migrants from Venezuela showed up on the island of Martha's Vineyard in Massachusetts on Wednesday night. Among the

migrants were several women and young children. They were being sent there by Florida Governor Ron DeSantis, a rising star in the Republican Party,

who said that he wants northern states to understand the burden being felt by southern states. Massachusetts officials say that Florida gave them no

warning about the flights.

Now, it's worth noting that Martha's Vineyard as a small island, and it's not easy to get to. It's also known as a summer hot spot for wealthy


Let's bring in CNN's Miguel Marquez who is on the island for us.

Miguel, great to talk to you.

Officials say that they weren't warned about the arrivals at the migrants with emergency officials, NGOs and faith groups stepping into offer food

and shelter. Where are the migrants now?

MIGUEL MARQUEZ, CNN U.S. NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: They are in this church behind me. This is the main focus right now. They have rooms for children.

[17:45:01] They have everything that they need. They are taking donations from everything from clothes to food to cash because many of the families and

kids are going to need that in the days and weeks ahead.

What is interesting about this perhaps, most of all, is that Ron DeSantis is the governor of Florida, and Greg Abbott is the governor of Texas, both

governors doing similar things. Abbott has been sending buses to New York City and other places for many weeks now.

Governor DeSantis, everyone we spoke to here, they are all Venezuelan immigrants in Texas, they were recruited to come somewhere. They had no

idea what they were being offered, and then they were put on planes and brought here to Martha's Vineyard.

These were not immigrants in Ron DeSantis's state of Florida. So, it's a very odd situation that you have here with him being concerned about

immigrants in his state, but he is actually bringing immigrants from Texas up to Martha's Vineyard at the same time or almost this in time. You have

two busloads of immigrants dropped off at the vice presidents residence in Washington, D.C., those from Governor Abbott of Texas.

There is a real sense of coronation here that this was meant to embarrass or highlight what they want to highlight with the immigration situation.

Officials here say, look, if we have a bit of notice, will happily bring people in.

One thing to understand about the American immigration system, all the people here have cases, asylum cases that they are waiting for. They're not

here illegally. They're here legally. Once they crossed into Texas and have the asylum papers, they can go anywhere in the country. Many choose to stay

in places like Texas or Florida, where they have family or friends or others from their home country, so it's just easier, but there is no bar on

where they can go.

So, it is interesting that this is playing out the way that it is. Officials here believe that the next day or two, most if not all of the

immigrants brought here will move on to other locations, because they want to go to other places and work. That is a question of whether they will see

more planes arrive in places like Martha's Vineyard.

Back to you.

NOBILO: Miguel Marquez, thank you so much for joining us from Martha's Vineyard, especially as this is becoming an increasingly frequent tactic.

Appreciate it.

Now in the U.S., a nationwide rail strike has been averted now that unions and management of reached a tentative deal. President Joe Biden says that

the real strike would have caused significant damage to the economy. Workers have been planning to go on strike Friday, crippling about a third

of the nation's freight, pushing prices of many goods even higher.

CNN's Kevin Liptak is at the White House for us.

Kevin, the U.S. President Joe Biden said that this is a win for the people that worked at tires the through the pandemic. Rail workers say that the

cost cutting has created punishing schedules and working conditions.

What's the response been from rail workers?

KEVIN LIPTAK, CNN WHITE HOUSE REPORTER: Bianca, I think that remains to be seen for now because the way that this works is that this agreement will go

to the workers to be formally ratified. Certainly, the unions to up negotiate this deal and represent the workers are pretty bullish about what

they accomplished in these slugging negotiations that occurred over the last 48 hours.

Among the things that they received was the largest pay increase in four decades, a 24 percent increase in pay, more flexibility in their schedule

and something that I think is really key and that was at the center of these talks which is the ability to take time off to go to medical


And, Bianca, that's not a guarantee for American workers. It's not written into any law. There is no guaranteed sick leave in the United States. What

these workers were saying is that that is an essentially draconian measure that they needed to be able to take time off to go to the doctor.

Now, it's not paid time off that they accomplished in these talks, it's unpaid time off, but they do consider that a major concession from the

freight rail companies who had been resistant, who said that could harm their bottom line. Certainly, the unions do feel like they accomplished

most if not everything that they went into these talks to achieve, but it will remain to be seen whether the workers sign off. That's a process that

will occur over the next several weeks.

There are about a dozen of these unions that were included in it, and all the workers will have to vote on it. Certainly, the White House, the train

companies and the unions all feel good about where this deal ended, Bianca.

NOBILO: Kevin Liptak, thanks so much.

The announcement of a major fuel price hike in Haiti has set off new violence on the streets of the capital.

There has been gunfire, burning tires and rock throwing protesters this weekend in Port-au-Prince. At least ten people have been killed in the



The nation is reeling from crippling inflation and rampant gang violence.

CNN correspondent Patrick Oppmann is following the developments from Havana, Cuba.

Patrick, what more can you tell us about what is happening, and is there any sign that it is coming?

PATRICK OPPMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Much of the country remains paralyzed at this hour, is what we are told. Foreign embassies closed down. A number

of government buildings, TV stations, gas stations that have been attacked and looted, many less flights coming into the country as international air

carriers have cut off service amid the rising violence.

So, you know, if you listen to Haitian government they're subsidizing the hundreds of millions of dollars, the countries gasoline fuel prices and

something that they cannot continue to do, they say.

But, of course, that has a huge ripple effect across Haitian society at a time when so many are barely making it, if at all. This has sparked another

wave of anger of those ten people who were killed in recent days. Two of them were journalists, and at this point, it does not appear that either

side is blinking.

When the government says that they are unable to provide services, if they are not able to raise money, of course, many Haitians reply back that they

don't feel that the government provides any services at the moment, which is something that in a situation that they are used to know for years.

There's rampant gang violence, very little presence of the police of the government in the streets and certainly not much is being handed out to


So, the government looking to raise prices very dramatically, but it's unclear what the Haitian people want to return if anything at all.

NOBILO: Patrick Oppmann, thanks for joining us.

Only weeks after Serena Williams retired from women's tennis, the men's game is losing a legend, as well. Roger Federer went out on 20 grand slam

title says that he is retiring. The upcoming Laver Cup in London will be his last professional tennis event. Federer is 41 years old and has

troubled with injuries in recent years.

For more on this, let's bring in "CNN World Sport's" Patrick Snell to discuss.

Patrick, it's always good to talk to you. Nice to see you.

Now, Roger Federer might be Swiss but people don't feel mutual about him. He is loved and adored around the world. How are fans taking the news?

PATRICK SNELL, CNN WORLD SPORT: Bianca, yeah, thanks for having me on. This is a momentous day, no question. His fans, I think the sporting world

at large, Bianca, his fellow professionals, just try to take stock of what we witnessed here.

Roger Federer standing in the game, leaves little introduction, a 20-time grand slam champ, those injuries, those surgeries, most notably 2020

finally taking their toll.

Look at that, Bianca, a record men's record eight Wimbledon crowns, the undisputed king of the all England Club at Wimbledon. Most consecutive

weeks at ranked number one in the world, as well. Over 180 ATP Tour titles as well.

Reaction from the best himself, as well, another icon of the sport, Rafael Nadal, the 22-time grand slam champ would despite social media. Dear Roger,

my friend and rival, I wish this day would have never come. It's a sad day for me personally and for sports around the world. It's been a pleasure,

but also an honor and privilege to share all these years with you, living so many amazing moments on and off the court.

I will tell you this -- I will tell you this, Bianca, he is just a class act on and off the court. He is generous with his time. He is wonderful

with the media, the fans.

He is so humble as well. He is so down to earth. He is so highly respected, and he's a great student and historian of the sport, as well. He is one of

where of his place in history, make no bones about that, but he is highly respectful of the greats that came before him.

They've served as an inspiration to him over the years, and now he in turn is inspiring so many others down the line.

NOBILO: And, Patrick, just briefly before we go, you are speaking about Federer being generous with the media. You spoke to him at a key moment in

his career, didn't you, tell us more about that.

SNELL: I really did. It seems like just yesterday, but it was not. It was 19 years ago in 2003. I was much of it then, so was he, are hairstyles very


Look, he just won his first grand slam title. He just won his first Wimbledon back in 2003. If we knew then that he would go on to win another

19 more, wow, just incredible, but he was humble to a fault. He's standing there right outside the rental home that he had been in for the last three

weeks during that period of the summer in England of 2003, so humble, just so respectful.

I remember one thing he told me from that day 19 years ago, this is the nicest day of my life, those are the words that he used. And you know what,

it was so special for me and all the others as well along the years that the privilege of speaking to him.

Back to you, Bianca.

NOBILO: It's really good to see that moment of the both of you years ago. Great to speak to you, Patrick Snell.

And, finally, Patagonia founder Yvon Chouinard has donated his company to the fight against climate change. He transferred ownership of the outdoor

apparel company to two entities that were used profits to protect nature and biodiversity. Patagonia and its founder have been passionate supporters

of environmental causes.

Well, that's it for this hour. But do stay with CNN.

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