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Boston Marathon Bombing Suspect Has Been Captured
Aired April 20, 2013 - 02:00 ET
THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. So, after wrestling practice, he told me to stop my car down there and walked down there. He pointed me. I asked him where he lived, he just pointed down there. I said oh, that's fine.
BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Down Norfolk street?
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BALDWIN: So, John, obviously, my follow-up question is he was so abusive to his friend, Dzhokhar, I said, well, he is as such as great kid, how could he have done this just on Monday? If in fact, it was he and, you know, he just told he had no idea. He kind of wondered about his relationship with his big brother.
JOHN VAUSE, CNN ANCHOR: So many people are wondering that, Brooke.
We will continue our coverage of CNN and the Boston bombing and the arrest right now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: This is breaking news.
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BALDWIN: Cheers for Boston's finest Friday night. A standing ovation for local and state and federal authorities this evening. Just a few hours ago as this absolutely horrendous week that began with the Boston marathon terror attacks Monday afternoon concludes you see with applause and smiles. A collective sigh of relief among everyone here in Boston.
Just hours ago, authorities captured the second of two suspects in Monday's deadly terror attack on the marathon.
Hello, everyone. I'm Brooke Baldwin live tonight in Copley Square, here on Boston, just about a block from where those explosions went off.
VAUSE: And I'm John Vause at CNN world headquarters in Atlanta.
We would like to welcome our viewers both in the United States and around the world.
Friday night end to the manhunt for Boston's second suspected bomber did not come peacefully.
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VAUSE: Early Friday evening, gunfire suddenly erupted in the Boston's suburb of Watertown. Suspected marathon Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was apparently putting up a fight after finding himself surrounded by police.
What followed was a tent standoff with the 19-year-old Tsarnaev's older brother, the suspected bomber Tamerlan Tsarnaev had been killed in a shootout with authorities the night before.
Friday night ending though would be different. Unlike his older brother, the youngest Tsarnaev, would be captured. Injured, but alive.
And this photo shows Tsarnaev being transferred from the scene in an ambulance. We can see his head through the ambulance window. And we are told he is now in a serious condition.
The arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was greeted with cheers by residents in Watertown and elsewhere in the Boston area.
BALDWIN: A lot of cheers tonight here despite the wet, rainy Boston evening. People are thrilled this thing is finally over. But, I'll tell you, tonight's dramatic events, they followed a massive man hunt here in the Boston area.
So, after Thursday night, gunfight with authorities that resulted in the death of his older brother, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was finally cornered late Friday afternoon who is actually hiding out in this boat in someone's backyard in this Boston suburb called Watertown.
And here is a picture. This is the 19-year-old suspect, This is the photo courtesy of CBS News. And CNN's Anderson Cooper got details from Boston police commissioner, Ed Davis.
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ED DAVIS, BOSTON POLICE COMMISSIONER: He was severely injured and, most likely, the shootout that occurred last night, also the injuries occurred in exchange with gunfire with police this afternoon.
ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: So he -- there was an exchange of back and forth gunfire this afternoon in the boat locations. Is that correct?
DAVIS: That's correct. That's what I've been told. Yes. officers of Boston police department, the Massachusetts state police, and FBI agents surrounding the both. There was an exchange of gunfire and eventually, the hostage rescue team came in, used flash bangs and then, it was able to remove the suspect from the boat without any further injury.
(END VIDEO CLIP) BALDWIN: Flash bangs tried to disorient the suspect and try to, you know, cokes him out of that boat. And with the arrest of Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, this 19-year-old, President Barack Obama spoke tonight saying this is an important chapter of the Boston marathon attack, now that it is finally been closed here five days later. The president says federal authorities will try to get to the bottom of Monday's attack. Find out the big question, all of us want to know why? Why did this happen? What was the motive? And what other individuals that could have been involved, we want to know about that along with these two suspected bombers.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: One thing we do know is that whatever hateful agenda drove these men to such heinous effects will not, cannot prevail. Whatever they though, they could ultimately achieve, they have already failed.
They failed because the people of Boston refused to be intimidated. They failed because as Americans, we refused to be terrorized. They failed because we will not waiver from the character and the compassion and the values that define us as a country. Nor will we break the bonds that hold us together as Americans.
That American spirit includes staying true to the unity and diversity that makes us strong like no other nation in the world.
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BALDWIN: That was the president just speaking, John, a couple of hours ago. Throughout the week, we have heard from Deval Patrick that the governor, here, of the state of Massachusetts, and also the mayor, mayor Menino who we have seen videos throughout the week, wheeling around in a wheelchair. He normally is at the finish line at the Boston marathon. He had leg surgery earlier on in the week. We saw him at that interfaith service here yesterday. And he has been ever- present despite his own injuries for the city of Boston, John.
VAUSE: Yes. So many people have been injured, those people who were hurt are still recovering. And of course, we should know that four people did not survive this attack.
First word that the police had apprehended the suspected bomber did not come in a big announcement. Instead, it came on social media by twitter. Boston police tweeted suspect in custody. Officers sweeping the area. Standby for the info. And then, just moments after that, Boston mayor tweeting simply, we got him.
To find out just how they in fact did get him, CNN's Paul Vercammen is in the Boston suburb of Watertown. He joins us now on the phone.
Paul, just walk us through the dramatic events because this all seemed to happen so much faster than even the police had expected.
PAUL VERCAMMEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via phone): Well, you're right, John. It did take a sudden turn. But, all day long in the Boston suburb of Watertown, the people were on pins and needles and the police were certainly on edge. And you can see them going block-for-block beginning this tedious search. You could see at some point, let's say five home bean, 24 officers, all of them in full riot gear.
And then the people of Watertown trapped in their homes, told not to leave because of the bloody shoot that had occurred early in the morning, literally, blood on the streets. And as you look at the people and the officers combing through the street, you could see people in their screened-in porches, even asking los of media, what can we do? When can we leave? What's going on?
Though it seems that the search wasn't going as well as they had expected because they started to let some people back into their homes or give them some movement, then they went to the store to buy some supplies. And then, all of the sudden, the chatter starts on the scanner. And you can hear possibly something about the boat, something about the suspect, a warning of cross fire, and then the next thing, you know, then you see the mobilization, a bus-full of officers, more lead armored personnel carriers. People all rushing towards where they think the suspect is. That it turns out he had been hiding in a boat.
So, a little earlier in the evening, they go ahead and surround that boat. They used the flash bags to get him out of there. And you kind of get a sense from being there on the ground that they very much want to capture him alive. Why? Because they're looking down the road to hopefully talk to this man and see, you know, why he and his brothers had concocted this scheme.
Then, of course, the rest of them, John, mass celebration.
VAUSE: And just to explain to our viewers, flash-bangs are just that. They make a flash and bang. They meant to disorient and take someone. They are very effective in a closed space, I guess, like a boat.
We got that incredible -- let me saw -- saw just before of Dzhokhar actually on the edge of the boat. You can see the top there. His head is bowed. We know that he had lost a lot of blood. That's what police have told us.
Paul, is there any idea just how long he actually spent inside that boat?
VERCAMMEN: No, that's going to be interesting to find out because obviously, he ran away from the scene last night. I mean, his brother's blood, as we talked about literally in the street. And about -- it seems to be less than a mile away. He found refuge in that boat. How long he had been there. It is going to be something the authorities are obviously going to ask. So, we are not sure. But, it's possible if you think about that it could have been, you know, pretty much all day and night and they said, he was indeed bloody and have him hurt. So, that's where he had sought his refuge.
VAUSE: We should give out thanks to CBS for that photograph.
Do we know what negotiate is had actually to Tsarnaev during the standoff?
VERCAMMEN: Yes. In so many words and I'm just paraphrasing now. I mean, they are basically, you know, you're surrounding. Give yourself up. You can hear a little bit of buzz about that. And you know, somehow, using those flash-bangs that was described, it could be very disoriented. They were able to take him out of there:
I should note when the ambulance went by, and we're not positive but he was in those ambulance all of them, but as soon as the people of Watertown, all of them as id said, they've been just absolutely on that razor's edge all day long. Some of them were cheering at the end. You know, one even shouted good-bye expletive. It's really into a long, arduous bid that they will never forget in the suburb of Boston.
VAUSE: Do you get the feeling that police were surprised that he was actually taken alive, that he didn't make some kind of last stand?
VERCAMMEN: I don't know if they were surprised. But, here is such a body language where you could see officers walking up to each other and shaking hands. You could see officers sort of smiling ear- to-ear. They wouldn't say anything at first. It was a pretty clear indication when vehicles started leaving the perimeter that something good happened.
And then, after a while, you feel very settle smile and turned out the broad grim. And at one point, we even saw an officer high- fiving a crowd, a crowd of people to us as many the first responder last.
VAUSE: What about the boat owners? Dave (INAUDIBLE) actually have found Tsarnaev under that top hole and managed to raise the alarm. He has to be -- probably has to be the luckiest guy in Boston?
VERCAMMEN: You know, John, I didn't hear you very quickly. I know you asked me about the boat owners? I think there's a tremendous sense of relief for not only the boat owners, but everyone else in that neighborhood that they obviously did not, you know one shrink into a called -- alleged, cold-blooded killer at this point. That does reached very proud in Watertown. It's a sense of relief.
VAUSE: OK. Paul Vercammen on the line.
Let's head back to Brooke Baldwin who is live for us in Boston.
BALDWIN: OK, John, thank you.
It is a rainy, chilly night here in Boston. But, that's not stopping so many people who have been out and about. You know, taking to the streets. Not only here in Copley square and elsewhere, but also in the suburb of Watertown. It is really just cheer on the police.
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BALDWIN: Suddenly, tonight, just a couple hours ago, fear quickly morphed into relief. And grateful residents offered things to this investigators spores who investigators state, local, federal who would finally capture this Boston marathon bombing suspect.
Number two, this younger brother, 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. There also was plenty of appreciation for the SWAT team that helped in this evening's man hunt.
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BALDWIN: In addition to people who live here in Boston cheering on, these authorities, you saw the governor of Massachusetts adding his things and gratitude. Governor Deval Patrick declared quote "it's a night where I think we are all going to rest easy."
And I think a lot of people will get a good night's sleep after five harrowing days there. One officer told the crowd "if you want to thank us, just go home." he's just one of the officers who has been spending tireless days and nights here. Police announced they got their man. It has been an absolutely terrifying week here for the people in Boston. That fear is finally done. Poppy
POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was really this moment after the news came that police had captured the second suspect in the Boston marathon bombing. The streets literally erupted in jubilation. They were sitting on the stop, they were jumping in the streets, waving American flags, chanting things like USA, USA. And they were saying this is Boston. This is Boston.
You can hear the joy in their voice. Some of them have missed class all week because of how close their university is to the crime scene. They told me that now they feel like they're safe. They can go back to class. They can rest again. And it wasn't just here in Boston, it is across this country. It is around the world. We heard the story of a flight and the pilot announced that number two had been captured and the entire plane erupted in applause.
So, it is really being felt everywhere. Amidst all of this jubilation, we have to remember that this is a city that is still reeling from such a tragedy. At this hour, we have 58 people recovering in the hospital. Three of them are in critical condition. Two of them are children. And, of course, you still have those four beautiful lives that were lost. The officer who was murdered last night, Sean Coller, the 8-year-old beautiful boy, Martin Richard who died from the attack. You have the girl, Krystal Campbell and the college student here studying at Boston University, Lyn Sue Lou (ph). Those four lives lost. So something to keep in mind. The city still suffering such a tragedy and such a long way to go.
Back to you.
BALDWIN: Poppy Harlow, thank you. Just quickly, I've been checking my twitter if you are hearing over my shoulder. Listen, it's not a party here in Boston. But after five very long days, people are finally able to breathe a little easier tonight after the very harrowing week. And let's be clear, he's not too far from me in a Boston hospital right now.
VAUSE: Yes. Next, we will have more on his condition. He's also facing very long legal battles.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: This is CNN breaking news.
VAUSE: Welcome back to our continuing coverage of the Boston arrest. It is 18 minutes past 2:00 eastern time. It did not take the FBI very long to update its wanted poster. The man who just had only been known as suspect number two.
BALDWIN: Yes, instead of wanted, you see this? The word under the suspect's picture was quickly changed to capture, wanted to capture tonight. Here now is just one of the brief glimpses that we got Friday night of this suspected bomber. Take a look at this photo taken by a reporter, Gene Macken (Ph). And you see from this window, of this ambulance, it is the head of the wounded 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. He was taken away from Friday night shootout in Watertown. This is one of our very few glimpses at this young man.
He is Chris Lawrence is standing by live at Israel hospital. And that is where the suspected bomber has been taken. Chris, what is his condition? Is it still serious?
CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Still serious. That's the latest word that we will be getting, Brooke. And we were told basically that when this condition is updated, that update is going to come from the FBI, not the hospital itself which is a break from the normal protocol. Normally, you would hear directly from that this is real on how the patient is progressing.
Again, when the police found him, he was covered in blood. And they think that his injuries came from that initial shootout. So the shootout and the altercation that happened Friday morning when his brother were still alive, even though we don't know the extent to his injuries, if you look -- if he was injured in that shootout, look at how injured his brother was.
His brother was brought here in full cardiac arrest. He had multiple gunshot wounds and also seemed to have some injuries from some sort of explosion or blast.
Now, obviously, the younger brother's injuries not the same as that, but he may be suffering from the same sort of wounds in that gunfight from police again, from early Friday morning. We heard from the Boston chief of police that he thought those injuries came from that gunfight. If that's true, that means he was on the run and wounded for up to 24 hours before he was bought here -- Brooke. BALDWIN: Chris, let me ask you this because I was in Brigham and women's earlier in the week here and one of several amazing hospitals here in the city of Boston. And the security was tremendous. And that was just because of the injuries, those who have been injured were at the hospital. But, I would imagine, with this suspect number two, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev here in this hospital. Imagine a lot of people would like to get their hands on him. And I imagine the security is pretty intense.
LAWRENCE: Definitely more than normal. In fact, you know, normally, when you come to the local hospitals here, there's always police officers, obviously, at the hospital. That it's normally the Boston, the city police. What we've been seeing around the area are state police officers. In fact, I would say the police presence here has toned down a bit from when we first got here earlier on Friday night.
Now, that it strikes me to Saturday morning, and a lot of the crowds have gone home, people who are out and about at night have sort of drifted. Some of the police presence on the outer perimeter had fir it's died out a bit. But we know on the off side, you know, some of them, a lot of offices who are posted outside.
BALDWIN: Yes, I would not be surprised if there is an officer standing right outside his hospital room.
Chris Lawrence for us at the one of the area hospitals here in Boston where this younger suspect is being treated.
John Vause, back over to you.
VAUSE: Yes. You know, once he is better, then, of course, all of this goes to the court system. And that is just beginning.
Anderson Cooper spoke with our legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin about what the next step is in this case of the Boston bombing.
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JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: First thing that will happen is that the U.S. attorney's office will prepare a complaint which will be an affidavit by an FBI agent which will layout the basics of the case against him. He will then be arraigned. He will get a defense attorney and he will have an arraignment.
Now, in normal circumstances, someone arrested on a Friday night would probably not be arraigned until Monday morning. Just because of the extraordinary circumstances here, he might be arraigned tomorrow f he is in the medical shape to be arraigned.
At the arraignment, two things will happen. There will be a discussion of bail. He will not get out on bail, obviously. But they will set what's called a preliminary hearing 30 days forward.
The preliminary hearing will not happen. What will happen is in those 30 days, and the next 30 days, he will be indicted by a grand jury with the initial charges. Then, the case will be assigned to a federal district judge and that is when the case will really begin. But the next legal event will be an arraignment, perhaps tomorrow, perhaps Monday, in any case at any time when he's physically able to be arraigned.
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VAUSE: Well, there's still much that the subjects need to know about the suspect, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. There are a lot of unanswered questions, Brooke.
BALDWIN: For more on the legal process, I want to turn out to Lou Palumbo. He is the director of Elite Intelligence and protection which provides security for major event like NASCAR and the Golden Globes. He joins us live from our New York bureau loop.
Good to see you tonight.
Let me just begin though, with your assessment of the last couple of days here in Boston. We are not even a full week out from Monday's marathon explosions and here we have this older brother dead, this younger brother in serious condition in the hospital. This whole thing came down to a various stoop resident in this Boston suburb of Watertown. What do you make of all of this?
LOU PALUMBO, DIRECTOR, ELITE INTELLIGENCE AND PROTECTION: Exceptional work by the law enforcement community. Quite frankly, I'm not surprised. They have become so efficient in analyzing crime scenes, connecting dots and identifying individuals in a very rapid fashion that it's just consistent with their ability to resolve these problems.
VAUSE: Lou, do you think he was actually acting over two, they were acting alone? Was this part of some kind of terrorists out there in Boston (INAUDIBLE)?
PALUMBO: Well, I think that's the question that we have to answer now. What we're trying to do is determine if these two young men had support, either domestically or abroad. And there is some significance to that because it allows us to anticipate any type of future activity that similar to that which they carried out.
BALDWIN: Lou, presumably, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev survives. He, again, is in the Boston hospital tonight being treated. And so many people are thankful that he is alive because he will be able to begin to answer many, many questions.
Walk me through the process of how investigators will go about talking to him and then presumably also setting through the treasure- trove of evidence that they got out of this Cambridge apartment earlier today.
PALUMBO: Well, the first thing they are going to have to do is allow him to recover to a condition where he can respond to them intelligently, number one. And then the next part of the process is simply to derive information that will give us answers to questions we're seeking like did he have support anywhere in the metropolitan area of Boston. Did he have knowledge of his brother's training overseas? Was this support? Was there aide or a betting in the Boston area? I mean, they're just going to run through a whole series of questions that they are going to try to give us a motive and the means in which they carried this out. And by mean, I refer specifically to any type of support they may have received because that is very very significant going forward and in an attempt to anticipate a repeat of this type of incident.
VAUSE: Lou, this has all ended relatively well and relatively quickly. But given the fact that the older brother, Tamerlan, was interviewed by the FBI back in 2011, do you think something fell through the cracks here?
PALUMBO: I was afraid you were going to ask me that. I mean, you know obviously, you know, I can't speak intelligently as exactly what the FBI or intelligence community did or didn't do in their interviews. But obviously, I would say there's some legitimate cause for concern that was expressed to our government. And whether or not we managed it properly is going to come under the microscope now because as you are aware, it is all over the media.
VAUSE: OK. Yes. Hindsight is a wonderful thing. We must say that for this point and time. We thank you for that.
PALUMBO: Thank you.
VAUSE: OK. Well, apparently, not long after the bombing, the team suspect continued to tweet.
BALDWIN: That's right, tweeting multiple times, John. And coming up next, we will tell you what his message is say about him and his own life.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: This is CNN breaking news.
BALDWIN: I'm Brooke Baldwin live in Boston. And to say that this week here in the Boston area has been tensed would be an understatement here, especially during the past 24 hours.
Erin Burnett has a look at how the dramatic events unfolded after the last day.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today, we are listing the publics' help to identify the two suspects.
ERIN BURNETT, CNN HOST, OUTFRONT (voice-over): Shortly after 5:00 p.m. yesterday, FBI special agent in charge, Richard DesLauriers releases these images of the two men they believe are suspects behind the Boston marathon bombings. We have a two new pictures that we want to show you.
Just hours later, a second photo is circulated online of suspect number two walking away from the bottom.
Little after 10:00 p.m., two men are spotted at convenience store in Cambridge, near the campus of the Massachusetts Institute of Technology.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We must have heard about 60 gunshots.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All residents need to remain in their home.
BURNETT: As we are on the air at 11:00 p.m., we learn a 26-year- old police officer from MIT has been shot and killed. Moments later, Boston police, began a high speed chase for two males after receiving reports of an armed carjacking. According to authorities, the carjacking suspects begin throwing explosives from the car as police chase them from Cambridge to Watertown.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There were dozens of police officers took on time. We could see them yelling.
BURNETT: At approximately 1:23 a.m., residents in Watertown are jolted away as dozens of police exchange gunfire with the two suspects.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's been like Boom, boom, like three big bangs.
BURNETT: Fierce fire fight and that explosions follow leading to the death of one of the man later identified as suspect number one. Suspect number two escapes on foot.
By 3:45 in the morning, Massachusetts state police warn Watertown residents stay in their homes, lock their doors as police began searching door to door.
A little after 5:00 a.m., as daybreak. The city of Boston begins moving into a lockdown suspending mass transit and asking business to remain closed. ,
GOV. DEVAL PATRICK (D), MASSACHUSETTS: It is important that folks remain indoors. Keep the doors lock and not open the door.
BURNETT: At 8:14 a.m., they identify the suspects as brothers, 26-year- Tamerlan and 19-year-old Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. At 11:55 a.m., the two began to speak out.
Turn yourself in and ask for forgiveness.
At 1:26, Boston police tweet that 60 percent of the search is done. At 3:42, investigators find a significant amount of explosives. People could, again, leave their homes even though the suspect remains at large. I just heard what sounded like multiple assault rifle shots to me. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Turn yourself in. And ask for forgiveness,
At 2:26, Boston police tweets that 60 percent of the search is done.
At 3:42, investigators significant amounts of homemade explosives in Watertown.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We are asking to remain vigilant.
6:00 p.m. the lockdown for the Boston area is lifted, meaning people can again leave their homes even though a suspect remains at large.
DREW GRIFFIN, CNN INVESTIGATIVE CORRESPONDENT: , Was that guns?
But less than hour after the lockdown has lifted, shots are fired in Watertown. Police scrambled to the scene.
GRIFFIN: I just heard -- it was sounded like multiple assault rifle shots to me.
8:15, p.m., a person believe to be Dzhokhar Tsarnaev cornered on a boat in yard in Watertown. Hundreds of law enforcements surround the suspected bomber. And at 8:45, police in Watertown Massachusetts break out in tears, followed by crowds coming to the streets to celebrate.
VAUSE: OK, Let's get more details now on what led up to that dramatic moment where Dzhokhar Tsarnaev was actually caught by police. Brain Todd was there in Watertown, Massachusetts.
Brian, I'm amazed at how close you got. Explain to me what you saw and how it all played out during a very short period of time?
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well John, we were trying to get to the scene. We were on foot. Our vehicle has been stopped about a mile away from that house. So, we were on foot trying to make our way there, roads were blocked all over the place, of course, by law enforcement authorities. So, we kind of sneaked around some back alleys to blocks and other places and got to within about 200 yards of the boat from the backside of that house. We were in some kind of an alley or lot. We could see the boat clearly. If had been flood lift with some pretty intense light. And then we could hear authorities speaking to him. They were saying things like we know you are in there, come out with your hands up, come out on your terms, Those were the phrases that we heard fairly clearly from the distance where we were.
We did not see or hear him. We had gotten there after the flash bangs were produced and after the gunfire wasn't exchange. So, we did hear the officers speaking to him. It was clearly the final sequence of negotiation before he finally surrendered. But, after just a few minutes that we were there, the police rushed us and told us to get out of there because we were in a crossfire zone. So, we were pushed back a little further from that perimeter. We then, got to a rooftop and shot a little bit more video. But tings had calmed down by then, pretty much by the time we got to the rooftop. We believe that was after they apprehended him.
VAUSE: And what about the homeowner who noticed that Dzhokhar was actually inside this boat. And what, there was file of blood which led him to the boat.
TODD: Well, it was apparently a tip from someone who was walking in the neighborhood who saw the boat in that backyard and noticed some blood on it. I think I got a closer look and then, called the police. So, you know, most law enforcement people will tell you this is often how these things are solved and to tip from someone who happens to be walking by at the time and that was (INAUDIBLE) this evening.
VAUSE: And when he was seen inside the boat, Tsarnaev, he was covered in blood. He was weaken. And there was some speculation about when he may have been wounded?
TODD: Yes, he was covered in blood. He had been wounded. They're not quite sure when he was wounded, whether this was at the, you know, at the final standoff period, but he was wounded. But apparently, even though he was wounded and losing blood, he was still able to somehow engage the officers with some return fire. He did exchange gunfire with them.
Again, not clear how he suffered his wounds and whether they might have been suffered in the early morning hours when he and his brother were involved in that exchange, allegedly. But, he was clearly weakened. He had lost a lot of blood. He was in serious condition, the last we heard. And, you know, it was probably pretty fortunate for him that he survived it.
VAUSE: Do you think police is surprised that he was actually ultimately taking a life that he didn't make some last stand.
TODD: You know, they might have been. You know, they were preparing for this all day, John, as if he might have even had explosives on him. Because, you know, we all know the accounts by now. What happened to the overnight hours, Thursday into Friday morning, when he and his brother allegedly killed a police officer and had that exchange with police officers in the chase, and in the standoff in Watertown where they threw explosives at them, exchanged a lot of gunfire.
The brother may have had some explosives on his person when he was finally brought down. So, they were saying all day long that Dzhokhar Tsarnaev could have some explosives on him. And they were telling everyone that's why this entire region in Watertown was locked down all day. He was considered armed, extremely dangerous and possibly carrying explosives on his body. You can imagine how residents here were feeling at that moment.
VAUSE: Great reporting, Brian. Thank you so much, Brian Todd live for us in Watertown with some .details of that dramatic arrest. And Brooke, what we understand is that the boat was actually about a street and a half outside that mocked down perimeter area that police spent most of the day searching. And it was just fortuitous. I mean, they lifted the stay indoor order. Someone went out because they have a cabin fever. And that's when it all went down.
BALDWIN: (INAUDIBLE) is the perfect word. And thank goodness for that person who was astute and called police.
And you know, beyond that incredible last couple of hours here in Boston. We are also learning a lot more about both these two suspects through their own parents here. You know, both are speaking out today. The suspect's father lives in Dagestan and he believes his sons are innocent. He is angry. His older son was killed by police.
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ANZOR TSARNAEV, SUSPECTS' FATHER (through translator): Someone framed them. I don't know who exactly did it, but someone did. Being cowards, they shot the boys dead. There are cops like this.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: When you try calling the younger one, the phone is off?
TSARNAEV (through translator): All phones are switched off. I can't even appeal to my brothers. One of them is a great lawyer and I can't get through to him. I want to get more information. Those are my kids, you understand? I'm afraid for my other boy. Maybe he will be shot dead, too. They will say, well, he had weapons. Kids with weapons? You don't find weapons in a garbage dump. I have nothing more to say. It is all because I'm afraid for my son and his life. They should arrest him, maybe, and bring him but alive, alive, and justice should decide who is right and who is guilty.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): You've been living there for a long time. Have you ever had any complaints about the justice there?
TSARNAEV (through translator): No, never. But, I didn't have to face it. So, how can I know about the justice system there? I didn't have any problems.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): The day before, you spoke to your elder son. What did he tell you?
TSARNAEV (through translator): He said everything was OK. I even asked him how's Dzhokhar? Did you look at him, look after him and make sure he is studying well so he would spend less time with friends and more time studying? You have quit the university because you got married early. So, let the kid at least graduate because in this life, a person who doesn't learn is working, working is working hard. That's why I'm always telling them study, study, study.
TSARNAEV (through translator): Did you talk about the explosions? What happened there? UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): No, not at all. I thanked Allah that they were not dead, didn't suffer. This is it. So what explosion? I honestly can't imagine who would do this. Whoever did it is a bastard. I have nothing more to say.
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BALDWIN: How about that? That is their father. The mother, also speaking publicly and she said neither of her sons ever talked about terrorism -- John.
VAUSE: Let's find out more about the family and their roots all the way back to the Russian republic of Dagestan.
Nick Paton Walsh joins us now on the line from the capital of Dagestan. He has been there and finally got some more information about the family background and really important here, possible motive what made these two young men carry out the bombing of the Boston Marathon.
Nick, what are you finding out? Because what we are hearing from officials here is that they appear to be no direct link between these two young men and the Chechen (INAUDIBLE).
NICK PATON WALSH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (via phone): Well, certainly, what you just heard, the disbelief coming from their father is something you hear when you talk to neighbors, friends here, the woman who runs a small shop opposite the house, the house now seemingly deserted, nobody answering the door there. She describes good sons of good families.
(INAUDIBLE), A father who renovated apartments around the area to make money. But, also, we've had an interesting visit to the school where they very briefly attended to 2001 to 2002. We have seen they registered there. The principal there very clear too, he would gather to be about standing character it's in terms of what they know from that far ago. But it register their quite clearly says, they came in September 2001 and left March 25th, 2002.
And I also makes it clear the two brothers came from Bergsten (ph) and then left to go to America. Now, that does create some degree of confusion because we don't know precisely when they all appeared in the United States. It does appear, according to U.S. official that Tamerlan didn't arrive until some point into 2006 which raises the question what was he doing in that period of time, mostly here in Dagestan.
About the case, that would have been a very volatile period in southern Russia's history, just after the Russian heavily quashed secondary bid Colchester independence, a tension being the neighboring products to where I'm standing in Dagestan.
There is also violence stand in pushed over the borders in the yes afterwards. And that did cause many road side bombs many attacks (INAUDIBLE) in particular area. And of course, lots of the extremism which began to infiltrate the ranks of Chechen separate to his rebels to get a food in Pakistan as well. I looked at the Russians security force in the past who were concerned about Al-Qaeda links to extremists working in Dagestan. See video in planting bombs against police officers.
So, I think, of course, people are looking into the history Tamerlan and if it turned out he was in Russia for that five-year period and not already in the U.S. have different capacity of somewhere else in the world, that will certainly the key -- John.
VAUSE: And that there is also this truth that the older brother, Tamerlan made to Dagestan last year, by all accounts, a man who was struggling with his finances made this trip there. He also made to Russian proper, we understand. What can we read into that? Is there any more information about that group?
WALSH: Yes. I mean, what we heard from the shopkeeper, she says that Jeffrey saw him return during that particular six-month period which I believe and understand is early 2012. He was there to be with his parents. No one can quite account the entirety of that period. She spoke of a month in summer when he was there. But, yes, you do point that out. It wouldn't have been a particularly costly dirty. But of course, this also points back to the request of the FBI got through another governments, not clear which one, to look into Tamerlan, to question him. They questioned him. They considered that we have nothing on miss close the file but quote "people will be asking where that particular account on whether it went back to Moscow," any concerns from Russia's security services, John.
VAUSE: Very quickly, Nick, the state of the conflict in Chechnya?
WALSH: Well, there has been (INAUDIBLE) upon inside Chechnya in the public bond since the garment installed. A loyal president there (INAUDIBLE) with non-loyal militants there that has calls in the past few years, the violent spread in the (INAUDIBLE) and Dagestan that have ebbed slightly in the past. But the largest fair really is the decade of violent inside Chechnya. It's caused an overspill of extremism, radicalization, of very very radical groups, indeed, have taken root in the north caucuses. The SIB Russians security services no warned that links to A-Qaeda but many in dismiss happens away and then trying to portray the Chechen being negotiate it with, but I think perhaps, the faith will be -- it turned out the Tsarnaev is somehow linked to extremism here that in fact, that may boost the Russian security service this case - John.
VAUSE: Nick Paton Walsh on the line doing some digging for us in Dagestan trying to find out a motive for this attack. -- Brooke.
BALDWIN: Yes, you know, back here in Boston, John. So much the activity as we have been playing this evening -- this morning has happened in Watertown, I spent much of my day in Cambridge which is where the two young suspects apparently had lived.
And so, while I was in Cambridge, along with FBI, local state law enforcement, they were searching this apartment, I've landed an interview about a block away from the suspect's home with an auto- mechanic who had a pretty odd exchange with this younger suspect, Dzhokhar Tsarnaev. He knows him for two years.
So, coming up next, we're going to share part of my interview because he saw him and had a dealing with him one day after the marathon here in Boston.
VAUSE: And we also going to tell you possible at whether or not these two young men acted alone. A former CIA operative tells us he does not think so.
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VAUSE: Coming up to 10 minutes to 3:00 in the morning here on the east coast, a daunting task lies ahead for investigators trying to figure out why these two young men allegedly carried out these terrorists attack.
But also does anyone else involve? Bob Baer is a former CIA operative. He is also a CNN contributor. He says he does not believe the two brothers acted alone.
ROBERT BAER, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Well, the fact that the Russians came to Washington and said to look at the elder brother, Tamerlan, tells me this clear information that he was involved in some sort of group, probably in the caucuses. For all I know, Al-Qaeda, whether that is not the details that has been led out.
I also look at the entire attack and there is a certain professionalism to it. The fact that they were able to explode two bombs, that they made themselves. That they understood explosives, that they hydroscopic hat they enclosed, they put pellets in them, there were 12 seconds apart. This is still not been determined, but they have may used cell phones to detonate them, the fact that they stuck around.
Additionally, it's extraordinary. These two men had a fight, a running fight with police. This is not normal people who just get their trade craft on the Internet and, you know, decide to do something. I think one of them may have had training, it was in a camp. It was probably a doctornated (ph), the very least. This is all going to come out, the fact that he had been to Dagestan, maybe Chechnya, we don't know or where else we don't know yet. This has the smell of that he got some sort of help. I'm not saying that -- yes?
VAUSE: So what's the motive, then? Because we know the Chechens don't actually have faith with the Americans. They've not carried out an attack on American soil before. So OK, maybe he was trained there, but why do this?
BAER: I would say I will bet you the guess that he identified with jihadism. It is a cultural fight, Islam against the west. He is looking it and attacks. And in Pakistan, drone attacks, Yemen, Mali, the rest of it. He had found religion. He wanted to defend Islamic, gave him some sort of meaning. You know, you see bits and pieces of this. Well, like I said well, no more. VAUSE: There's a lot of celebration, a lot of jubilation right now that believes the authorities finally got their man, one dead and one in custody. But the reality is that two young men essentially closed down an entire city, terrorized a million people for five days. Do you consider this to be a successful operation?
BAER: Well, capturing them. But the fact is that they went unnoticed and how many more of these cells are there? I mean, yes, you are absolutely right, closed down an American city. I have never seen that happened, even on 9/11, New York city was not closed down. This is the first time.
The other question, if they did get help, we don't know that they did, are there other cells out there? Is this part of the bigger campaign? And what don't we know is what scares me?
VAUSE: Do you expect the Dzhokhar, the younger one to talk much when he is out of surgery, when he is able to?
BAER: Frankly, I speculate, he probably doesn't know much. 19- years-old. He did the least amount of travel that we know of. They will probably was led into this by his brother, get more out of textbooks and texting and chat rooms and the rest of it.
But even then, these links are very, very difficult to establish back to some sort of, you know, master mind, if you'd like.
VAUSE: And we should say, we spoke to Bob Bear on Monday when the Boston marathon bombing happened. And he did say that his initial instinct was that this is carried out by some kind foreign group. And Brooke, he is standing by that. He says that because there is this connection to the Chechnya and Russia, and he still believed even though they were local, one's an American citizen and one holds a green card, his token citizens and foreign terrorist attack.
BALDWIN: Yes. And now that we know he is alive, and he is tonight in a hospital, we know that authorities will try to glean whatever bits and pieces they can out of him once he sort of recovered.
And as a reporter, I was in Cambridge, Massachusetts, just over the river. I spent most of the day there today as law enforcements were there searching their apartment. And so, a block away from where these two young suspects live in Cambridge, one auto-body shop owner told me that the talked to and dealt with Dzhokhar Tsarnaev, talked to him because this young man went to this body shop biting his nails, very, very nervous, needing his car. This is how he described this bizarre encounter.
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GILBERT JUNIOR, OWNER, JUNIOR AUTO SHOP: On Tuesday, I saw the youngest one, the youngest brother. He came to my shop. He was standing right there. You know, I was working a car and then he came I would say it was around like 12:30, 1:00. And he had a car that he drive in here which was two weeks ago and he told me that car belongs to his girlfriend. You know, and he disappeared for two weeks. And on Tuesday, he came. He went to see where is the car? He said that guy is in the parking lot, but I haven't walked to the car yet. You know, I just removed the rear bump and removed the tail light. And he said I don't care. I don't care. I need the car right not. I need the car right now. I said why, you know? You know me. You know, it takes time. He said no, I need the car right now. And he was biting his fingernails which he never done before.
BALDWIN: So, he was nervous.
JUNIOR: He was very nervous, very nervous. I thought he was on drugs, to be honest with you because I never seen him -- you know, I know him for probably two years. And that was acting the way he was acting.
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BALDWIN: So Gilbert Junior telling me today, he thought that this young suspect was on drugs. He was acting so irrationally. He also told me he had wrapped with guilt now after learning that it is this 19-year-old who is wanted in the horrendous attack here in Boston on Monday. He is wrapped in guilt. Had he know, of course, everyone Monday morning quarterbacking, had he known what he knows now, he would have loved to have kept him right there, of course, and call police.
And then, another bizarre angle to the story. This 19-year-old was tweeting, tweeting here multiple tweets after the bombing here in Boston on Monday. We sill sort all of that for you as this live special coverage of the Boston bombing and the subject's arrest continue.
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