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CNN Connie Chung Tonight

Arafat Under Fire; Kentucky Governor Admits Sexual Affair

Aired September 20, 2002 - 20:00   ET

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening. I'm Anderson Cooper.
CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Carol Lin.

Tonight, a story that continues to develop: The Israelis start demolishing Yasser Arafat's headquarters.

COOPER: And Yasser Arafat is still inside.

ANNOUNCER: Arafat under fire: his compound pounded by Israeli guns. Dramatic military action heats up the Middle East.

A tearful apology.

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GOV. PAUL PATTON (D), KENTUCKY: Sunday night, I was informed that an inappropriate personal relationship of mine was revealed to the press. The mistakes are mine alone. I take full responsibility for them.

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ANNOUNCER: In a dramatic announcement, Kentucky Governor Paul Patton admits to an extramarital affair.

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PATTON: God bless you. And pray for me.

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ANNOUNCER: Another public figure in a personal pickle.

A father and son turn from spectators to attackers.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now a couple of guys come out of the stands and they are beating up on the Royals' first-base coach, Tom Gamboa. And the Royals pour out of the dugout. What in the world is going on?

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ANNOUNCER: Why did they blindside a baseball coach during a game?

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TOM GAMBOA, KANSAS CITY ROYALS FIRST-BASE COACH: It came from behind. And to tell you the truth, I didn't have any clue what had happened.

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ANNOUNCER: Plus, when fans turn violent: When is it no longer a game?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's an embarrassment. Two complete losers.

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ANNOUNCER: Mom on the run: this woman, authorities say, caught on tape viciously beating her own child. Tonight: the search.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bottom line is, we don't know where the little girl is. And we don't know where her mother is. And that's what is very concerning to us at this point.

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ANNOUNCER: And the question: Is the 4-year-old girl all right?

A wild ride: the story of a man who dove into the bed of a stolen pickup truck...

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NATHAN DAVIS, TRUCK OWNER: I actually was holding on here. And he was dragging me.

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ANNOUNCER: ... and used his cell phone to help police track the thieves at more than 100 miles per hour.

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DAVIS: They just weren't going to take anything from me that I worked that hard for.

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ANNOUNCER: Tonight, we'll meet the brave Texan who says, "Don't mess with my truck."

Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, for Connie Chung: Anderson Cooper and Carol Lin.

LIN: Well, good evening. Tonight, a story still unfolding right now: Israel pounding away at Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian leader, his headquarters.

COOPER: The Israeli army, though, says that Arafat himself will not be harmed.

LIN: The goal, they say, is to capture some 20 terrorists taking refuge inside that compound.

COOPER: In Israel, it is now early Saturday before dawn.

We take you live to Jerusalem and CNN's Matthew Chance -- Matthew, what's the latest?

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, the latest is that Israeli bulldozers and demolition teams continue their operations in and around Yasser Arafat's presidential compound in Ramallah.

We've been hearing large explosions, controlled explosions, it seems, around certain buildings in that compound, followed by heavy machine-gun fire, as the Israeli demolition team works their way through that compound, demolishing selected buildings. We're told now by people in Ramallah, by eyewitnesses, that only three buildings are left in Yasser Arafat's sprawling presidential compound, including, of course, the one that Yasser Arafat is currently located in.

But where his personal rooms are, where his private offices are, Israeli officials say they have no intention of harming Yasser Arafat at this stage. They are merely trying to flush out the terrorists, they say, that are holed up inside -- Anderson.

COOPER: Well, Matthew, we've seen this kind of an action before. We've seen these sort of pictures before. What purpose does this action serve?

CHANCE: Well, you're right.

We've been here on many occasions in the past over the past year- and-a-half: Israeli forces surrounding Arafat's compound. It depends who you ask. You speak to the Israelis, they say they are here for a specific reason: to flush out what they say are hard-core militant suspects holed up inside these buildings, inside the compound alongside Yasser Arafat, individuals they say who have planned and carried out attacks against Israeli civilians.

The Palestinians, for their part, are much more cynical. They say this is merely a publicity stunt, coming, as it does, following the suicide attacks, most recently in Tel Aviv, which left six Israelis, six people dead, a publicity stunt by Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, to demonstrate to the Israeli public that he is still taking action against the Palestinians.

COOPER: Well, Matthew, as you mentioned, Israel says that they are searching for 19 alleged terrorists who they believe are in the compound.

Now, we earlier saw a number of Palestinians surrendering from the compound. Do we know who those Palestinians are?

CHANCE: It's not exactly clear.

We know that at least 20, perhaps as many as 30 individuals have surrendered themselves to the custody of the Israeli army inside the compound. What we understand is that these are members of the Palestinian security forces, along with civilian employees of the Palestinian Authority who were sleeping or guarding some of the buildings that were blown up by the Israeli demolition teams.

When they heard the call to evacuate those buildings, they did so, surrendering themselves to the Israeli forces on the ground. We do not know, though -- it's not clear at this stage whether these are -- in fact, we've been told by the Israeli Defense Forces that these are not the individuals they are specifically looking for. Those hard-core militants, they say, are still very much holed up inside the main offices of Yasser Arafat.

COOPER: All right, CNN's Matthew Chance, monitoring the situation for us in Israel, stay safe tonight.

And we will continue to report new developments, of course, as they occur.

Now to an extraordinary public admission in a very intimate story that we brought you last night. Kentucky Governor Paul Patton today admitted to what he called an inappropriate personal relationship outside his marriage. A woman named Tina Conner is suing the governor, claiming harassment. She says the governor punished her for ending their relationship by siccing state regulators on her business.

Yesterday, Governor Patton denied the affair. Today, he changed his story.

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PATTON: I apologize to the people of Kentucky for my failure as a person. I have already apologized to Judi and my family. I'm also sorry that I initially denied mistakes I made in my private life.

Sunday night I was informed that an inappropriate personal relationship of mine was revealed to the press as a part of a lawsuit that was going to be filed. Realizing the impact that this would have on Judi and the rest of my family and friends, my first response was to deny my unfaithfulness to Judi.

I was wrong. The denial was another mistake. I didn't sleep at all Wednesday night as I prayed for forgiveness from God and for guidance and for strength. I finished my scheduled activities in Washington Wednesday and Thursday but I already knew what I had to do. I spent Thursday evening with Judi and our children and apologized to them and asked their forgiveness. I now apologize to the people of Kentucky and ask for your forgiveness. I do believe that now I am on the right path.

It's not easy for me to discuss private failures in a public forum but I do so because I want to be honest with the people of Kentucky and try to earn their trust and respect again. My mistakes are mine alone. I take full responsibility for them. I now publicly, as I have already privately, apologized to Judi and my family. I also ask the people of Kentucky to forgive my personal failure as I begin the process of sorting through and reconciling the problems that I have brought upon my family.

These personal failures on my part will be the focus of my private life going forward. Relying on my faith in God, I ask for your forgiveness and for your prayers. I've talked with the leadership of the General Assembly and apologized to them and reassured them that I have not let my personal weakness affect my administration of government. I want to give that same assurance to the people of Kentucky. Under no circumstances have I, or anyone under my direct control, tried to punish Mrs. Conner.

I hope that she will go forward with her life as I'm going to try to go forward with mine.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: Joining us now from Washington: CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider.

Bill, thanks for being with us.

Governor Patton today did two things that politicians do not like to do. He admitted he lied and he cried. How do you think the people of Kentucky are going to respond?

WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SR. POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I think the burden has shifted from her to him.

She had a complaint against the governor. She filed a suit. A lot of people might have been suspicious,that she had suffered financially because of state regulators, maybe she was trying to get back at the governor. The governor denied the affair. But today, the entire burden shifted. It's no longer he said/she said, because they both acknowledge that there was a sexual relationship between them.

The only question remaining -- and it's going to be investigated -- is, was there also misuse of office, official misconduct by the governor? That's going to be the subject of an ongoing investigation by the state ethics commission and also, conceivably, by the federal authorities.

COOPER: And we should point out that though the government admitted, as he said, an inappropriate personal relationship, he still denies that he in any way tried to influence the business affairs of this woman for the good or for bad.

SCHNEIDER: That's right. That's the key point here. And that's what is under investigation.

What we've learned over the years -- this is very much like August 1998, when Bill Clinton acknowledged that he had an inappropriate relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Why did he do that? They found the blue dress. Why did Governor Patton come out today and acknowledge that he was not telling the truth yesterday when he denied a sexual relationship? Because they found evidence.

"The Louisville Courier-Journal" found 440 telephone call records from the governor's office to telephone numbers associated with this woman. Receipts were coming out. Witnesses, some of them anonymous, were talking to the press, claiming to have knowledge of this relationship. In other words, like Bill Clinton, the governor was rather cornered and he had to come out because the evidence was accumulating.

COOPER: Well, my instincts tell me it's too soon to say, but do you think this man's political career is over?

SCHNEIDER: Well, look, this involves something more serious than sexual misconduct. What we have learned is that having a consensual affair, denying it, even lying about it, even lying about it under oath, as Bill Clinton did, that doesn't necessarily end a public career. It didn't end Clinton's career. He finished his presidency.

There has to be something else. And, in this case, there was something else. There's the charge of improper official conduct, that he used his influence, No. 1, she claims, to do favors for her when they had a relationship. And then when she broke off the relationship in order to reconcile with her husband, she claims in the lawsuit that he punished her by taking out a vendetta against her business and driving it into bankruptcy.

That's a very serious matter. And that is what could really end his career. That's an ethics violation. And remember something else. He's not just the governor of Kentucky for another year. He's also just been appointed, for one year, the chairman of the National Governors Association, which makes him the spokesman for the 50 governors of the states.

COOPER: There are some critics who said he should have resigned today. Were you surprised that he did not?

SCHNEIDER: Well, he claims that he didn't do anything wrong in his official conduct. And for him to resign would be, more or less, an admission that he did something wrong. He's apparently going to stick to that claim. And I think his view is, if it was just sexual misconduct, that's a private matter; it had nothing to do with his public behavior.

COOPER: All right, a very public apology today.

Bill Schneider, thanks very much for joining us.

SCHNEIDER: Sure.

COOPER: Still ahead, we'll talk with the first-base coach attacked on the field by two out-of-control fans.

Stay with us. ANNOUNCER: Next: Authorities say she was caught on tape savagely beating her own child. Now police have a dragnet out for the woman and search to save her little girl.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The arrest and that is all secondary to helping the child right now.

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ANNOUNCER: CONNIE CHUNG TONIGHT will be right back.

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GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Steven Rosen (ph), the attorney for Madelyne Gorman, called CNN after watching our coverage on this story starting last night and continuing today.

And he has told CNN -- quote -- "The mother will surrender with her daughter in St. Joseph County, Indiana, tomorrow. They are now at an undisclosed location in Chicago. Now, earlier in the day, the prosecutor here in St. Joseph County said he was talking with an attorney for the mother, but he would not disclose the attorney's name. That prosecutor now tells us that indeed it was Steven Rosen who he was talking with.

Steven Rosen then called us, asked us for a cell phone number for the prosecutor. The prosecutor is Christopher Toth. We gave them a cell phone number that Christopher Toth happened to give us. They got in touch with each other. And they are now arranging the surrender terms for tomorrow.

Now, this video has horrified all of America. It actually happened a week ago at a Kohl's department store here in Mishawaka, Indiana. It happened after the mother walked out of the store with her daughter. They were holding hands. And then she looked around, saw nobody, and started punching and pulling the hair of her daughter, shaking her little girl. And this continued for 25 or 30 seconds.

They were in the store with her sister, Madelyne Gorman's sister. That was Margaret Daley. And Margaret Daley has also been arrested, has now been released from jail, and charged with assisting a criminal act and also not reporting child abuse. When Madelyne Gorman turns herself in, Madelyne Gorman will be charged with a felony count of battery and she could face up to three years in prison.

But either way, at this point, it appears that this woman will surrender here in Indiana tomorrow. We are told by the lawyer and the lawyer's assistant that the little girl is in OK shape. But it's very important to point out they have not personally seen the little girl. And it remains to be seen what condition she is in. It was certainly a frightening episode, but authorities here are very relieved that it appears that the mother and daughter will turn themselves in tomorrow.

One other thing we want to tell you, Carol -- we want to tell you a little about this Kohl's department store, how they got this video. There is one surveillance camera on the very top corner of the store. When they were inside, the mother and the sister, they tried to return goods to the store that the store says was not from the store. They got suspicious when they walked out.

That camera that you see right there started shooting the mother and the daughter as they went into the car. When the fighting started, the camera operator zoomed in to get a closer picture. And that's how it happened -- Carol, back to you.

LIN: Gary, real quick. If the mother does turn herself in, then what happens to the little girl? Where does she go?

TUCHMAN: The first place she will go is to the hospital to see what type of condition she is in. The second place she'll likely go is to a court of law, where a judge will decide what happens to the little girl from that point.

LIN: All right, thank you very much. Look forward to developments tomorrow -- CNN's Gary Tuchman.

We'll be right back.

ANNOUNCER: Still ahead: A Texas motorist holds on for dear life as thieves race away with his truck.

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DAVIS: They were little young punks. And they were probably more afraid than I was, actually, once I got on the back of the truck.

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ANNOUNCER: How this high-speed escape came to an end -- when CONNIE CHUNG TONIGHT continues.

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COOPER: Do you have a truck?

LIN: No, that would imply I have to haul things.

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COOPER: All right, well, a lot of people who have trucks love their trucks. But the question is, would you risk your life for your truck? We're going to meet one man who just went for the ride of his life.

LIN: Yes, a crazy video.

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LIN: Well, still ahead, we'll talk to the first-base coach who got beaned by a couple of oddballs.

Stay with us.

ANNOUNCER: Next: a Texan who wouldn't let thieves get away with his truck, even at 100 miles an hour.

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DAVIS: They just weren't going to take anything from me that I worked that hard for.

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ANNOUNCER: His cell phone and even the color of his shirt played a key role in tracking the thieves.

CONNIE CHUNG TONIGHT will be right back.

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COOPER: Well, the boy who joined his dad in attacking a baseball coach last night reportedly has said they did it because the coach gave them the finger, apparently under the delusion that that somehow constitutes a defense for their actions. The coach is fine tonight. You're about to meet him.

But first a look at exactly what happened from CNN's Brian Cabell. Take a look.

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BRIAN CABELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It seemed just like another late-season, mostly meaningless game between two also- rans, the White Sox and the Royals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now a couple of guys come out of the stands and they are beating up on the Royals' first-base coach, Tom Gamboa.

CABELL: A father and his son, both shirtless, had blindsided the 54-year-old Gamboa.

GAMBOA: It was like I got hit by a bulldozer. But knowing that I was on the field of play, I didn't know where it came from. I didn't know what had happened.

CABELL: Gamboa's teammates immediately raced to his rescue and pounded his two assailants, until they were finally escorted from the field by authorities.

MIKE SWEENEY, KANSAS CITY ROYALS: If it wasn't for the security guards, who did a great job in Chicago, I think our team probably would still be beating on these guys.

CABELL: Those guys turned out to be a 15-year-old boy and his 34-year-old father, William Ligue, who claimed that Gamboa had been aggravating him during the game, so he decided to attack him.

WILLIAM LIGUE, ALLEGED ATTACKER: It was a stupid thing to do, but I did it.

CABELL: Father and son have been charged with aggravated battery. The father remains in jail. The son has been released into the custody of his mother.

Gamboa insists he did nothing knowingly during the game to provoke the attack.

GAMBOA: My job is to read the pitchers' moves, help our runners. And I got total focus and passion for the game. I don't have time to see what's going on the stands.

CABELL: Royals players say a folded-up pocketknife was found near the scuffle, but it apparently wasn't used. Gamboa suffered only scrapes and bruises. On viewing a replay of the fight, the announcers raised some additional questions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look at the umpire. What's he doing?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Backing up?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You've got to be kidding me.

CABELL: The likely explanation, according to Gamboa and the players, the umpire had to be stunned. You just don't expect a first- base coach to be attacked.

Brian Cabell, CNN.

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COOPER: Unbelievable.

Earlier, from the presumably friendlier confines of his home stadium in Kansas City, less than 24 hours after he was attacked, I spoke to Kansas City Royals first-base coach Tom Gamboa.

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COOPER: Well, Tom, how are you doing? How's your head?

GAMBOA: OK.

I'm battered and bruised. But I'm just -- I'm thankful that it wasn't worse than what it could have been. So I'll be all right. The doctor is going to check me out again tonight. I've been telling people I feel like I played tackle football yesterday and I was the only one that didn't get to wear any gear.

COOPER: From your perspective, what exactly happened? It was the top of the ninth. There was one out. What happened then? GAMBOA: I was pointing at the second-base bag, screaming for him to get back. And then that was the last thing I recall, because, in the next moment, I just got completely blindsided. I felt like I got hit by a freight train.

And I remembered thinking on the ground: "I know we're not having a brawl with the White Sox. We haven't had any problems with these people." And then, when I rolled over and saw the two guys, I was in a state of, I think, partial shock and bewilderment. I wasn't angry, because I saw them swinging at me, but I didn't know who they were. And I remembered I was wondering, "Why are they swinging at me and what are they doing here?"

COOPER: Did they say anything?

GAMBOA: Yes. The guy that was in front of me was -- his mouth was moving, but it was incoherent. I couldn't understand anything that he was saying.

And then I got hit by the guy to the left of me. And at that point, I remember that I tried to kick the guy in front of me to keep him abreast, so that I could deal with the guy that was hitting me to my left. And it was at that moment that the team rescued me. I mean, there was a pile-on. And then I just went into a fetal position and tried to protect my head.

COOPER: We've learned subsequently it was a father and son. The father is about 34. He's the one with all the tattoos. The son is about 15. The father now claims -- he's still in custody, but he claims that you had exchanged some sort of words in the stands. Do you have any idea what he's talking about?

GAMBOA: No.

Well, it's totally not true, because they picked the wrong guy to lie about, because I've been in professional baseball almost 30 years. And I'm a no-name guy. I'm not an ex-big-league player. It took me 25 years in the minors to get to the big leagues. And I've made a reputation in this game of one of honesty and integrity.

And I have made a career in the minor leagues and in winter ball of trying to teach players to never acknowledge the fans, other than in a positive way, that, if they are riding you, to just ignore it, because common sense tells you that, to acknowledge it, if they know that they got your goat, it's just going to escalate. In my entire career, I've never once, at major or minor league level or in winter ball, have I ever, with a hand gesture or verbally, talked back to the fans.

COOPER: You've sort of brushed this incident off, but it could have been very serious. My understand is, there was a knife found on the field after the melee.

GAMBOA: Yes, that's correct, Anderson.

But I did not know that at the time. Our players have told me that the guy to my left that was swinging wildly at me, they tell me he was clutching a pocketknife and that then, in the melee that ensued, that it fell to the ground. And only when I got up and was wiping the blood off my forehead, at that instant, I heard one of the players say, "There's a knife."

And then I panicked, because I happened to be watching on TV when Monica Seles was stabbed years ago. And I couldn't believe what I was watching. And, at that moment, when I heard, "There's the knife" and I saw blood on my hands, I thought that possibly I had been stabbed and was in a state -- the guys teased me about it afterwards, because I was feeling my abdomen and my back, wondering if I'd been stabbed and just didn't feel it yet.

And then our trainer came up and said: "Hey, you're OK. You didn't get stabbed. You got a cut on your forehead." And to tell you the truth, if I was casual or poised after that, it was only because I was thankful for the fact that -- you know, I can be battered and bruised, but thank God I didn't get stabbed, or this really could have been something awful.

COOPER: Well, Tom, does this change the way you view the game of baseball at all, change the way you think of the fans?

GAMBOA: Not at all, Anderson.

I was born an optimist. And I think there's great baseball -- I know there's great baseball fans all over the country. And I worked with the Cubs for five years, two as the third-base coach in the big leagues. And I know how passionate both Sox and Cubs fans are. And they're great fans. And I refuse to look at this, and I hope the public doesn't, as a tarnish to Chicago or to -- I look at this as two hoodlums, two idiots, as an isolated incident. And in no way does it reflect the people or the fans in Chicago. No way.

COOPER: All right, Tom Gamboa, thanks for joining us tonight. Glad you're safe and sound. And we appreciate you taking the time to talk to us.

GAMBOA: OK. Thank you, Anderson.

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COOPER: Well, sadly, a lot of players and coaches know that last night's attack was not an isolated attack. Whether you blame alcohol or the fever pitch of competition, so-called fans have a history of acting like -- well, like fanatics, as we hear now from Kara Henderson of CNN Sports.

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KARA HENDERSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): While a waist- high wall and a few yards of grass are all that separate fans from athletes at most U.S. ballparks, violent confrontations have been rare.

But when either side leaps that wall, the results can be ugly. Two seasons ago, several Los Angeles Dodgers players climbed into the stands to throw punches at some Chicago Cubs fans who had been taunting them. Three fans were arrested. And 19 Dodgers players and coaches were suspended.

In 1999, Houston Astros right-fielder Bill Spiers was tackled by a fan in Milwaukee. Teammate Mike Hampton rushed to Spiers' aid and pummeled the spectator before the fight was broken up. Spiers was left with a bloody nose, a black eye and a case of whiplash.

One of the ugliest incidents baseball has seen occurred in 1984 at Atlanta's Fulton County Stadium when a group of fans decided to join a bench-clearing brawl between the Braves and the Padres. When the dust settled, 14 players had been ejected and five fans had been arrested.

And it's not only baseball. In a hockey game last year, Tie Domi of the Toronto Maple Leafs mixed it up with a Philadelphia fan in the penalty box after the fan lunged at Domi. A referee broke up the fight. And the fan was escorted from the arena and given a citation.

Stadium designers are favoring a trend towards placing fans as close to the action as possible. Will they have to start adding moats and high fences, as has been done in many arenas in Europe? Doubtful. But incidents like Thursday night's have to give team officials the jitters.

For CNN Sports, I'm Kara Henderson.

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COOPER: So we wanted to get a sense of, frankly, what the heck is going on here. So earlier this evening, we asked Mike Lupica, "Daily News" columnist and author of "Wild Pitch," to talk about this apparent pattern of violence as well as the specific attack seen on the tape from last night.

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COOPER: What did you think when you saw this?

MIKE LUPICA, "NEW YORK DAILY NEWS": I was shocked.

I had been out and I came home and watched the news last night. And there's lines that you just don't expect to see crossed. And when these two slobs came over the wall and went after this guy, the whole picture was so amazing and troubling, because the umpire stood there and watched. The other player kind of stood there and watched. And there's these two slobs pummeling this coach.

And whoever judges on this case, wherever this goes in the legal system, somebody has got to send a strong message with this, because this is beyond the lack of civility that I always hear in the stands when I'm sitting with my kids at ball games. This is thugdom. And it's of the worst kind.

COOPER: Well, there have been two incidents this week alone. There was the thing Monday night at a football game, I think an Eagles-Redskins game. What is going on? Has some line been crossed?

LUPICA: Yes.

And I'll tell you what. Guys in my business are as guilty as anybody, because we keep telling fans how involved they are in everything. And we kind of have made them believe that sports is so interactive, that they are practically part of the action. And that's everything that's done now. The camera is as close as possible. Everything that is done now...

COOPER: But it's not just sports writers. Comiskey Park, I think they renovated their stadium so that the fans would be closer to the action.

LUPICA: Everybody is told that they are close and it's like being in the game. And some guys aren't smart enough.

And I'll tell you something else. And I've talked about this for a long time. There's no rule that anybody ever passed that they have to sell beer at the ballpark.

COOPER: You think that's one of the problems?

LUPICA: Well, sure. Yes. It's the whole thing about gun control. Nobody ever shot anybody without a gun. Nobody goes out to the plate without a bat. Drunks don't get drunk unless there's a way to do it at the ballpark.

And I know how much the beer companies are big in baseball. And I'm not saying that everybody who drinks at the ballpark is going to do this. But you know what? I hear and see things on a daily basis at the ballpark and this lack of civility that I'm talking about. And this is just, maybe not a natural extension of this, but I can't say that I'm surprised that stuff like this goes on.

COOPER: But, look, there are going to be some fans who say: Look, there's always been bad some behavior, with Roger Maris, people yelling at players. That's always gone on. What is different now?

LUPICA: I don't know. Somehow I used to think, when I was young and naive, which was like 45 minutes ago, that...

COOPER: Before you met me.

LUPICA: That if you paid your ticket, you could do almost anything. And now I've found that the boundaries of almost anything are too far for me.

And, again, maybe it's having -- I've got these three sons who love to go to ball games. And there are times when I actually think about taking them and getting them in the car and going home, just because of the stuff I'm hearing around me. Does this mean this is going to happen next Tuesday night in Milwaukee and next Thursday night in L.A.? No, it doesn't.

But this should send up a lot of flags for a lot of ballpark security and people all over baseball that, again, a line got crossed yesterday. And now we've got to find out what we're going to do about it.

COOPER: Is there something also in the way that these sports figures are marketed that may be somehow encouraging this? You have this person stalking one of the Williams sisters the other day, a lot of people talking about how sexualized, for instance, women's tennis has become. Is there something in the commercialization of some of these players that is contributing to this?

LUPICA: I go back to what we were talking about at the start, Anderson. And I really believe that the whole culture of sports has convinced way too many people that they're a part of this.

And you want to make fun of these two dopes. But guess what? They broke the law. And I hope whatever judge they end up standing in front of in Chicago throws the book at them, so that the next person who thinks it's funny to run out on the field during the World Series and do one of those idiotic victory laps thinks twice about it.

COOPER: All right, Mike Lupica, thanks a lot. Thanks for stopping by tonight.

LUPICA: OK.

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COOPER: And before we go to the break, tonight's "Off the Radar": a notorious and bloody incident of spectator violence.

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ANNOUNCER: Few acts of violence changed the course of a professional sport more than a crazed spectator's attack in 1993. At the Citizen Cup in Hamburg, Germany, the world's No. 1 player, Monica Seles, was sitting courtside between matches. Spectator Gunther Parche leaned over the railing and shoved a five-inch knife between the 19-year-old's shoulder blades.

MONICA SELES, PROFESSIONAL TENNIS PLAYER: All I just felt was like, woo, something in my back. And I automatically went forward, because I know something went in. I didn't know how big it was. Then I just saw blood coming out. And then I turned back and I just saw the guy with a knife. And I didn't know what was going on.

ANNOUNCER: At the time, Seles had achieved such success at such a young age, sports reporters were predicting she would redefine the sport, much like Michael Jordan redefined basketball.

So what happened to her and the man who stabbed her? The answer when we return.

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(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

ANNOUNCER: What happened to the world's top tennis pro, Monica Seles, and the man who stabbed her? The blade came within a hair of slicing into her spine. She returned to pro tennis two years later, but she had changed and so had her game. She continues to rank among the world's top players, but never returned to the dominant level she had had.

She also never returned to Germany. Why? The German justice system gave her attacker two years on parole. He never spent a day in prison. At the time, critics predicted the lenient sentence would encourage future violence against pro athletes on the field.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

LIN: Well, normally, we don't do a lot of stories on grand theft auto. But when the owner hops in the back of his vehicle while it's being stolen -- well, watch this.

Nathan Davis jumped into the bed of his truck when he saw two thieves driving away with it outside Houston. He used his cell phone to call 911. And a local news helicopter found him, too. Well, the truck got up to almost 100 miles an hour in the rain on a 20-mile chase. Police eventually made one arrest. And they are still looking for another guy.

In the meantime, Nathan Davis has his truck back. And we have got Nathan Davis.

Hi, Nathan.

NATHAN DAVIS, TRUCK OWNER: Hi.

LIN: You look no worse for wear. How you doing?

DAVIS: I'm fine. Thank you.

LIN: I have wanted to ask you this question all day long, since I saw you do this. Are you crazy? I mean, why didn't you just let them have the truck?

DAVIS: No, I'm actually a very sane man, thank you.

(LAUGHTER)

LIN: And it was really just a fluke, wasn't it, that you caught these guys trying to steal your truck?

DAVIS: Yes, it was.

LIN: So tell me what happened.

DAVIS: Well, I was at work and I went to use the telephone.

And as I was on the telephone, I just happened to peek out the window and I noticed two heads moving in the inside of my truck. And, at that point, I wasn't really sure if they were inside the truck or if there was a vehicle parked next to it and it appeared that maybe they were moving on the other side of the vehicle. And a couple minutes after that, I actually saw the taillights come on. And the vehicle started to move.

LIN: So was it just instinct? You ran for the passenger door, right, and you grabbed on to it.

DAVIS: Absolutely. It was just instinct at that point. I saw a personal belonging of mine being taken and instinct just took over.

LIN: You love this truck, don't you?

(LAUGHTER)

LIN: You were hanging on for dear life. So they actually put it in gear, right, and started taking off. And you were still hanging onto the door itself?

DAVIS: Yes.

For one while, I was actually on the door, because they could not exit the parking lot. But once they were able to make way to exit the parking lot, once I noticed they were going to get away, that's when I did jump into the back of the truck.

LIN: So you jumped into the back of the truck. And then they took off, right, and they headed for the interstate.

DAVIS: Yes.

LIN: Did you ever think to yourself: "These guys might have a gun. They could shoot out my back window and then shoot me"?

DAVIS: Well, actually, the gun factor didn't come into play.

I thought about it at the passenger door. But after that, I wasn't too worried, because, if they had a weapon, I feel they would have shown it at that point to scare me away.

LIN: So then you called 911. You had your cell phone with you.

DAVIS: Yes.

LIN: Did the 911 operator believe you at first? I think I would have a hard time believing that my customer was in the back of his hijacked truck.

DAVIS: Well, it took her a while to calm me down, to get an understanding of what I was telling her. But after that, yes, she did believe me.

LIN: And then you saw the TV news helicopter and you waved at it.

DAVIS: Yes. Actually, I did not know that it was a news helicopter until after the fact. I actually thought that was my help as far as law enforcement.

LIN: All right, so you are ripping down the interstate at about 100 miles an hour. Are your wife and kids watching this, just like we were watching it unfold on television?

DAVIS: No, fortunately, they weren't. But my grandmother, she called me last night. And I think the story broke into her soap operas. And she was watching it.

LIN: And she recognized you?

DAVIS: Yes, she did.

LIN: And the truck.

DAVIS: Yes, she did.

LIN: You know what your sister calls you.

DAVIS: Yes, my sister did call me.

LIN: Yes. And she called you stupid.

DAVIS: Yes. She was hysterical. She was crying and asking me, of course, what was I thinking. But, at that point, I told her I was safe and she could calm down.

LIN: So you were in this truck for how long, about 20 minutes or so?

DAVIS: Oh, a little longer than that. I was probably in the truck probably about 30 to 40 minutes.

LIN: All right, and, at any point, did you start thinking to yourself, "Where is this going to end?"

DAVIS: Actually, yes.

About 10 or 15 minutes into this fiasco, I actually came to my senses and wondered what I was doing in this open-bed truck moving at a high rate of speed in the rain, and thinking, if anything happened as far as a wreck or something, I wouldn't make it, yes.

LIN: Well, are you slapping yourself silly now and telling everybody at home, "Do not try this on your own"?

DAVIS: Sure. Sure. But, also, there's a plus side to it. These guys, one of them has been apprehended. And from my understanding, he has a record of this. So it's OK.

LIN: All right, so you stopped him in his tracks. They're looking for another guy.

How is your truck doing?

DAVIS: The truck is actually in the shop. I haven't heard any status as far as a quote of all the damage that was done. But it was in bad shape.

LIN: I can't wait to talk to your insurance guy and see that report.

(LAUGHTER)

LIN: Well, you've got documentation.

DAVIS: Yes.

LIN: Thank you so much, Nathan Davis. You stay safe.

DAVIS: I thank you.

LIN: All right.

Well, still ahead: It's disgusting. It's reprehensible. But guess what? It's legal.

Stay with us.

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COOPER: I don't know if you all heard about this story, but the Washington state Supreme Court took a bold stand yesterday for claiming that it's wrong to take pictures up women's skirts.

LIN: However, the court concluded that the simple wording of the state's voyeurism law is actually not enough to give people the legal right to privacy underneath their clothes, to make that distinction.

COOPER: Unbelievable.

LIN: So the justices overturned the convictions of two men who were caught taking pictures up the skirts of women and young girls. They planned to sell them on the Internet porn sites.

COOPER: And, apparently, lawmakers are now going to close that little loophole. And one of the guys who was busted will remain in jail, because he's doing a four-year stint for statutory rape.

And what's interesting about this story is that it shows how hard it is for lawmakers to stay ahead of technology. Basically, this voyeurism statute was written in 1998 to prevent people from taking pictures of people in their bedrooms, in their bathrooms. But they didn't take into account small digital cameras and small video cameras that could be used in a public space.

LIN: Yes, but what amazes me is, for example, four of the justices were actually women and they came to this conclusion.

But think about that. Your mother, your sister, I could go out of this building, and that means somebody has the public right to slip a little camera underneath my chair and take pictures?

COOPER: It's unbelievable. (CROSSTALK)

COOPER: And these guys, when you read about how these people were doing it, they were doing it in malls, in stores. And a woman would suddenly look around and notice a little flash. And then there's some guy on the floor with a little camera.

LIN: Yes. So Washington state is now setting the precedent that that is legal; there is nothing they can do about it.

You think this is going to go to Washington, the U.S. Supreme Court?

COOPER: It very well may be. It wouldn't surprise me.

LIN: Well, you know what they say about porn. You know it when you see it, right?

COOPER: I guess so.

LIN: We'll see what happens. We'll be following this, won't we, Anderson?

COOPER: I think so. No doubt.

LIN: Well, on Monday, a story worthy of Kafka, actually: the shaving misunderstanding at 20,000 feet. Two men wind up in jail.

COOPER: Yes, it's a really fascinating story.

Also, coming up next on "LARRY KING LIVE": Jeanne Phillips, "Dear Abby," talking about her mom's Alzheimer's.

Connie Chung is back on Monday.

Thanks for joining us. For all of us at CNN, have a good night.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN ANCHOR: Good evening. I'm Anderson Cooper.
CAROL LIN, CNN ANCHOR: And I'm Carol Lin.

Tonight, a story that continues to develop: The Israelis start demolishing Yasser Arafat's headquarters.

COOPER: And Yasser Arafat is still inside.

ANNOUNCER: Arafat under fire: his compound pounded by Israeli guns. Dramatic military action heats up the Middle East.

A tearful apology.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

GOV. PAUL PATTON (D), KENTUCKY: Sunday night, I was informed that an inappropriate personal relationship of mine was revealed to the press. The mistakes are mine alone. I take full responsibility for them.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: In a dramatic announcement, Kentucky Governor Paul Patton admits to an extramarital affair.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

PATTON: God bless you. And pray for me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: Another public figure in a personal pickle.

A father and son turn from spectators to attackers.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now a couple of guys come out of the stands and they are beating up on the Royals' first-base coach, Tom Gamboa. And the Royals pour out of the dugout. What in the world is going on?

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: Why did they blindside a baseball coach during a game?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

TOM GAMBOA, KANSAS CITY ROYALS FIRST-BASE COACH: It came from behind. And to tell you the truth, I didn't have any clue what had happened.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: Plus, when fans turn violent: When is it no longer a game?

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's an embarrassment. Two complete losers.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: Mom on the run: this woman, authorities say, caught on tape viciously beating her own child. Tonight: the search.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The bottom line is, we don't know where the little girl is. And we don't know where her mother is. And that's what is very concerning to us at this point.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: And the question: Is the 4-year-old girl all right?

A wild ride: the story of a man who dove into the bed of a stolen pickup truck...

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

NATHAN DAVIS, TRUCK OWNER: I actually was holding on here. And he was dragging me.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: ... and used his cell phone to help police track the thieves at more than 100 miles per hour.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAVIS: They just weren't going to take anything from me that I worked that hard for.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: Tonight, we'll meet the brave Texan who says, "Don't mess with my truck."

Live from the CNN Broadcast Center in New York, for Connie Chung: Anderson Cooper and Carol Lin.

LIN: Well, good evening. Tonight, a story still unfolding right now: Israel pounding away at Yasser Arafat, the Palestinian leader, his headquarters.

COOPER: The Israeli army, though, says that Arafat himself will not be harmed.

LIN: The goal, they say, is to capture some 20 terrorists taking refuge inside that compound.

COOPER: In Israel, it is now early Saturday before dawn.

We take you live to Jerusalem and CNN's Matthew Chance -- Matthew, what's the latest?

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Anderson, the latest is that Israeli bulldozers and demolition teams continue their operations in and around Yasser Arafat's presidential compound in Ramallah.

We've been hearing large explosions, controlled explosions, it seems, around certain buildings in that compound, followed by heavy machine-gun fire, as the Israeli demolition team works their way through that compound, demolishing selected buildings. We're told now by people in Ramallah, by eyewitnesses, that only three buildings are left in Yasser Arafat's sprawling presidential compound, including, of course, the one that Yasser Arafat is currently located in.

But where his personal rooms are, where his private offices are, Israeli officials say they have no intention of harming Yasser Arafat at this stage. They are merely trying to flush out the terrorists, they say, that are holed up inside -- Anderson.

COOPER: Well, Matthew, we've seen this kind of an action before. We've seen these sort of pictures before. What purpose does this action serve?

CHANCE: Well, you're right.

We've been here on many occasions in the past over the past year- and-a-half: Israeli forces surrounding Arafat's compound. It depends who you ask. You speak to the Israelis, they say they are here for a specific reason: to flush out what they say are hard-core militant suspects holed up inside these buildings, inside the compound alongside Yasser Arafat, individuals they say who have planned and carried out attacks against Israeli civilians.

The Palestinians, for their part, are much more cynical. They say this is merely a publicity stunt, coming, as it does, following the suicide attacks, most recently in Tel Aviv, which left six Israelis, six people dead, a publicity stunt by Ariel Sharon, the Israeli prime minister, to demonstrate to the Israeli public that he is still taking action against the Palestinians.

COOPER: Well, Matthew, as you mentioned, Israel says that they are searching for 19 alleged terrorists who they believe are in the compound.

Now, we earlier saw a number of Palestinians surrendering from the compound. Do we know who those Palestinians are?

CHANCE: It's not exactly clear.

We know that at least 20, perhaps as many as 30 individuals have surrendered themselves to the custody of the Israeli army inside the compound. What we understand is that these are members of the Palestinian security forces, along with civilian employees of the Palestinian Authority who were sleeping or guarding some of the buildings that were blown up by the Israeli demolition teams.

When they heard the call to evacuate those buildings, they did so, surrendering themselves to the Israeli forces on the ground. We do not know, though -- it's not clear at this stage whether these are -- in fact, we've been told by the Israeli Defense Forces that these are not the individuals they are specifically looking for. Those hard-core militants, they say, are still very much holed up inside the main offices of Yasser Arafat.

COOPER: All right, CNN's Matthew Chance, monitoring the situation for us in Israel, stay safe tonight.

And we will continue to report new developments, of course, as they occur.

Now to an extraordinary public admission in a very intimate story that we brought you last night. Kentucky Governor Paul Patton today admitted to what he called an inappropriate personal relationship outside his marriage. A woman named Tina Conner is suing the governor, claiming harassment. She says the governor punished her for ending their relationship by siccing state regulators on her business.

Yesterday, Governor Patton denied the affair. Today, he changed his story.

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PATTON: I apologize to the people of Kentucky for my failure as a person. I have already apologized to Judi and my family. I'm also sorry that I initially denied mistakes I made in my private life.

Sunday night I was informed that an inappropriate personal relationship of mine was revealed to the press as a part of a lawsuit that was going to be filed. Realizing the impact that this would have on Judi and the rest of my family and friends, my first response was to deny my unfaithfulness to Judi.

I was wrong. The denial was another mistake. I didn't sleep at all Wednesday night as I prayed for forgiveness from God and for guidance and for strength. I finished my scheduled activities in Washington Wednesday and Thursday but I already knew what I had to do. I spent Thursday evening with Judi and our children and apologized to them and asked their forgiveness. I now apologize to the people of Kentucky and ask for your forgiveness. I do believe that now I am on the right path.

It's not easy for me to discuss private failures in a public forum but I do so because I want to be honest with the people of Kentucky and try to earn their trust and respect again. My mistakes are mine alone. I take full responsibility for them. I now publicly, as I have already privately, apologized to Judi and my family. I also ask the people of Kentucky to forgive my personal failure as I begin the process of sorting through and reconciling the problems that I have brought upon my family.

These personal failures on my part will be the focus of my private life going forward. Relying on my faith in God, I ask for your forgiveness and for your prayers. I've talked with the leadership of the General Assembly and apologized to them and reassured them that I have not let my personal weakness affect my administration of government. I want to give that same assurance to the people of Kentucky. Under no circumstances have I, or anyone under my direct control, tried to punish Mrs. Conner.

I hope that she will go forward with her life as I'm going to try to go forward with mine.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

COOPER: Joining us now from Washington: CNN senior political analyst Bill Schneider.

Bill, thanks for being with us.

Governor Patton today did two things that politicians do not like to do. He admitted he lied and he cried. How do you think the people of Kentucky are going to respond?

WILLIAM SCHNEIDER, CNN SR. POLITICAL ANALYST: Well, I think the burden has shifted from her to him.

She had a complaint against the governor. She filed a suit. A lot of people might have been suspicious,that she had suffered financially because of state regulators, maybe she was trying to get back at the governor. The governor denied the affair. But today, the entire burden shifted. It's no longer he said/she said, because they both acknowledge that there was a sexual relationship between them.

The only question remaining -- and it's going to be investigated -- is, was there also misuse of office, official misconduct by the governor? That's going to be the subject of an ongoing investigation by the state ethics commission and also, conceivably, by the federal authorities.

COOPER: And we should point out that though the government admitted, as he said, an inappropriate personal relationship, he still denies that he in any way tried to influence the business affairs of this woman for the good or for bad.

SCHNEIDER: That's right. That's the key point here. And that's what is under investigation.

What we've learned over the years -- this is very much like August 1998, when Bill Clinton acknowledged that he had an inappropriate relationship with Monica Lewinsky. Why did he do that? They found the blue dress. Why did Governor Patton come out today and acknowledge that he was not telling the truth yesterday when he denied a sexual relationship? Because they found evidence.

"The Louisville Courier-Journal" found 440 telephone call records from the governor's office to telephone numbers associated with this woman. Receipts were coming out. Witnesses, some of them anonymous, were talking to the press, claiming to have knowledge of this relationship. In other words, like Bill Clinton, the governor was rather cornered and he had to come out because the evidence was accumulating.

COOPER: Well, my instincts tell me it's too soon to say, but do you think this man's political career is over?

SCHNEIDER: Well, look, this involves something more serious than sexual misconduct. What we have learned is that having a consensual affair, denying it, even lying about it, even lying about it under oath, as Bill Clinton did, that doesn't necessarily end a public career. It didn't end Clinton's career. He finished his presidency.

There has to be something else. And, in this case, there was something else. There's the charge of improper official conduct, that he used his influence, No. 1, she claims, to do favors for her when they had a relationship. And then when she broke off the relationship in order to reconcile with her husband, she claims in the lawsuit that he punished her by taking out a vendetta against her business and driving it into bankruptcy.

That's a very serious matter. And that is what could really end his career. That's an ethics violation. And remember something else. He's not just the governor of Kentucky for another year. He's also just been appointed, for one year, the chairman of the National Governors Association, which makes him the spokesman for the 50 governors of the states.

COOPER: There are some critics who said he should have resigned today. Were you surprised that he did not?

SCHNEIDER: Well, he claims that he didn't do anything wrong in his official conduct. And for him to resign would be, more or less, an admission that he did something wrong. He's apparently going to stick to that claim. And I think his view is, if it was just sexual misconduct, that's a private matter; it had nothing to do with his public behavior.

COOPER: All right, a very public apology today.

Bill Schneider, thanks very much for joining us.

SCHNEIDER: Sure.

COOPER: Still ahead, we'll talk with the first-base coach attacked on the field by two out-of-control fans.

Stay with us. ANNOUNCER: Next: Authorities say she was caught on tape savagely beating her own child. Now police have a dragnet out for the woman and search to save her little girl.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The arrest and that is all secondary to helping the child right now.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: CONNIE CHUNG TONIGHT will be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

GARY TUCHMAN, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Steven Rosen (ph), the attorney for Madelyne Gorman, called CNN after watching our coverage on this story starting last night and continuing today.

And he has told CNN -- quote -- "The mother will surrender with her daughter in St. Joseph County, Indiana, tomorrow. They are now at an undisclosed location in Chicago. Now, earlier in the day, the prosecutor here in St. Joseph County said he was talking with an attorney for the mother, but he would not disclose the attorney's name. That prosecutor now tells us that indeed it was Steven Rosen who he was talking with.

Steven Rosen then called us, asked us for a cell phone number for the prosecutor. The prosecutor is Christopher Toth. We gave them a cell phone number that Christopher Toth happened to give us. They got in touch with each other. And they are now arranging the surrender terms for tomorrow.

Now, this video has horrified all of America. It actually happened a week ago at a Kohl's department store here in Mishawaka, Indiana. It happened after the mother walked out of the store with her daughter. They were holding hands. And then she looked around, saw nobody, and started punching and pulling the hair of her daughter, shaking her little girl. And this continued for 25 or 30 seconds.

They were in the store with her sister, Madelyne Gorman's sister. That was Margaret Daley. And Margaret Daley has also been arrested, has now been released from jail, and charged with assisting a criminal act and also not reporting child abuse. When Madelyne Gorman turns herself in, Madelyne Gorman will be charged with a felony count of battery and she could face up to three years in prison.

But either way, at this point, it appears that this woman will surrender here in Indiana tomorrow. We are told by the lawyer and the lawyer's assistant that the little girl is in OK shape. But it's very important to point out they have not personally seen the little girl. And it remains to be seen what condition she is in. It was certainly a frightening episode, but authorities here are very relieved that it appears that the mother and daughter will turn themselves in tomorrow.

One other thing we want to tell you, Carol -- we want to tell you a little about this Kohl's department store, how they got this video. There is one surveillance camera on the very top corner of the store. When they were inside, the mother and the sister, they tried to return goods to the store that the store says was not from the store. They got suspicious when they walked out.

That camera that you see right there started shooting the mother and the daughter as they went into the car. When the fighting started, the camera operator zoomed in to get a closer picture. And that's how it happened -- Carol, back to you.

LIN: Gary, real quick. If the mother does turn herself in, then what happens to the little girl? Where does she go?

TUCHMAN: The first place she will go is to the hospital to see what type of condition she is in. The second place she'll likely go is to a court of law, where a judge will decide what happens to the little girl from that point.

LIN: All right, thank you very much. Look forward to developments tomorrow -- CNN's Gary Tuchman.

We'll be right back.

ANNOUNCER: Still ahead: A Texas motorist holds on for dear life as thieves race away with his truck.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAVIS: They were little young punks. And they were probably more afraid than I was, actually, once I got on the back of the truck.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: How this high-speed escape came to an end -- when CONNIE CHUNG TONIGHT continues.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COOPER: Do you have a truck?

LIN: No, that would imply I have to haul things.

(LAUGHTER)

COOPER: All right, well, a lot of people who have trucks love their trucks. But the question is, would you risk your life for your truck? We're going to meet one man who just went for the ride of his life.

LIN: Yes, a crazy video.

(NEWS BREAK)

LIN: Well, still ahead, we'll talk to the first-base coach who got beaned by a couple of oddballs.

Stay with us.

ANNOUNCER: Next: a Texan who wouldn't let thieves get away with his truck, even at 100 miles an hour.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

DAVIS: They just weren't going to take anything from me that I worked that hard for.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

ANNOUNCER: His cell phone and even the color of his shirt played a key role in tracking the thieves.

CONNIE CHUNG TONIGHT will be right back.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK)

COOPER: Well, the boy who joined his dad in attacking a baseball coach last night reportedly has said they did it because the coach gave them the finger, apparently under the delusion that that somehow constitutes a defense for their actions. The coach is fine tonight. You're about to meet him.

But first a look at exactly what happened from CNN's Brian Cabell. Take a look.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

BRIAN CABELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It seemed just like another late-season, mostly meaningless game between two also- rans, the White Sox and the Royals.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now a couple of guys come out of the stands and they are beating up on the Royals' first-base coach, Tom Gamboa.

CABELL: A father and his son, both shirtless, had blindsided the 54-year-old Gamboa.

GAMBOA: It was like I got hit by a bulldozer. But knowing that I was on the field of play, I didn't know where it came from. I didn't know what had happened.

CABELL: Gamboa's teammates immediately raced to his rescue and pounded his two assailants, until they were finally escorted from the field by authorities.

MIKE SWEENEY, KANSAS CITY ROYALS: If it wasn't for the security guards, who did a great job in Chicago, I think our team probably would still be beating on these guys.

CABELL: Those guys turned out to be a 15-year-old boy and his 34-year-old father, William Ligue, who claimed that Gamboa had been aggravating him during the game, so he decided to attack him.

WILLIAM LIGUE, ALLEGED ATTACKER: It was a stupid thing to do, but I did it.

CABELL: Father and son have been charged with aggravated battery. The father remains in jail. The son has been released into the custody of his mother.

Gamboa insists he did nothing knowingly during the game to provoke the attack.

GAMBOA: My job is to read the pitchers' moves, help our runners. And I got total focus and passion for the game. I don't have time to see what's going on the stands.

CABELL: Royals players say a folded-up pocketknife was found near the scuffle, but it apparently wasn't used. Gamboa suffered only scrapes and bruises. On viewing a replay of the fight, the announcers raised some additional questions.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look at the umpire. What's he doing?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Backing up?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Absolutely nothing.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You've got to be kidding me.

CABELL: The likely explanation, according to Gamboa and the players, the umpire had to be stunned. You just don't expect a first- base coach to be attacked.

Brian Cabell, CNN.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Unbelievable.

Earlier, from the presumably friendlier confines of his home stadium in Kansas City, less than 24 hours after he was attacked, I spoke to Kansas City Royals first-base coach Tom Gamboa.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

COOPER: Well, Tom, how are you doing? How's your head?

GAMBOA: OK.

I'm battered and bruised. But I'm just -- I'm thankful that it wasn't worse than what it could have been. So I'll be all right. The doctor is going to check me out again tonight. I've been telling people I feel like I played tackle football yesterday and I was the only one that didn't get to wear any gear.

COOPER: From your perspective, what exactly happened? It was the top of the ninth. There was one out. What happened then? GAMBOA: I was pointing at the second-base bag, screaming for him to get back. And then that was the last thing I recall, because, in the next moment, I just got completely blindsided. I felt like I got hit by a freight train.

And I remembered thinking on the ground: "I know we're not having a brawl with the White Sox. We haven't had any problems with these people." And then, when I rolled over and saw the two guys, I was in a state of, I think, partial shock and bewilderment. I wasn't angry, because I saw them swinging at me, but I didn't know who they were. And I remembered I was wondering, "Why are they swinging at me and what are they doing here?"

COOPER: Did they say anything?

GAMBOA: Yes. The guy that was in front of me was -- his mouth was moving, but it was incoherent. I couldn't understand anything that he was saying.

And then I got hit by the guy to the left of me. And at that point, I remember that I tried to kick the guy in front of me to keep him abreast, so that I could deal with the guy that was hitting me to my left. And it was at that moment that the team rescued me. I mean, there was a pile-on. And then I just went into a fetal position and tried to protect my head.

COOPER: We've learned subsequently it was a father and son. The father is about 34. He's the one with all the tattoos. The son is about 15. The father now claims -- he's still in custody, but he claims that you had exchanged some sort of words in the stands. Do you have any idea what he's talking about?

GAMBOA: No.

Well, it's totally not true, because they picked the wrong guy to lie about, because I've been in professional baseball almost 30 years. And I'm a no-name guy. I'm not an ex-big-league player. It took me 25 years in the minors to get to the big leagues. And I've made a reputation in this game of one of honesty and integrity.

And I have made a career in the minor leagues and in winter ball of trying to teach players to never acknowledge the fans, other than in a positive way, that, if they are riding you, to just ignore it, because common sense tells you that, to acknowledge it, if they know that they got your goat, it's just going to escalate. In my entire career, I've never once, at major or minor league level or in winter ball, have I ever, with a hand gesture or verbally, talked back to the fans.

COOPER: You've sort of brushed this incident off, but it could have been very serious. My understand is, there was a knife found on the field after the melee.

GAMBOA: Yes, that's correct, Anderson.

But I did not know that at the time. Our players have told me that the guy to my left that was swinging wildly at me, they tell me he was clutching a pocketknife and that then, in the melee that ensued, that it fell to the ground. And only when I got up and was wiping the blood off my forehead, at that instant, I heard one of the players say, "There's a knife."

And then I panicked, because I happened to be watching on TV when Monica Seles was stabbed years ago. And I couldn't believe what I was watching. And, at that moment, when I heard, "There's the knife" and I saw blood on my hands, I thought that possibly I had been stabbed and was in a state -- the guys teased me about it afterwards, because I was feeling my abdomen and my back, wondering if I'd been stabbed and just didn't feel it yet.

And then our trainer came up and said: "Hey, you're OK. You didn't get stabbed. You got a cut on your forehead." And to tell you the truth, if I was casual or poised after that, it was only because I was thankful for the fact that -- you know, I can be battered and bruised, but thank God I didn't get stabbed, or this really could have been something awful.

COOPER: Well, Tom, does this change the way you view the game of baseball at all, change the way you think of the fans?

GAMBOA: Not at all, Anderson.

I was born an optimist. And I think there's great baseball -- I know there's great baseball fans all over the country. And I worked with the Cubs for five years, two as the third-base coach in the big leagues. And I know how passionate both Sox and Cubs fans are. And they're great fans. And I refuse to look at this, and I hope the public doesn't, as a tarnish to Chicago or to -- I look at this as two hoodlums, two idiots, as an isolated incident. And in no way does it reflect the people or the fans in Chicago. No way.

COOPER: All right, Tom Gamboa, thanks for joining us tonight. Glad you're safe and sound. And we appreciate you taking the time to talk to us.

GAMBOA: OK. Thank you, Anderson.

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COOPER: Well, sadly, a lot of players and coaches know that last night's attack was not an isolated attack. Whether you blame alcohol or the fever pitch of competition, so-called fans have a history of acting like -- well, like fanatics, as we hear now from Kara Henderson of CNN Sports.

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KARA HENDERSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): While a waist- high wall and a few yards of grass are all that separate fans from athletes at most U.S. ballparks, violent confrontations have been rare.

But when either side leaps that wall, the results can be ugly. Two seasons ago, several Los Angeles Dodgers players climbed into the stands to throw punches at some Chicago Cubs fans who had been taunting them. Three fans were arrested. And 19 Dodgers players and coaches were suspended.

In 1999, Houston Astros right-fielder Bill Spiers was tackled by a fan in Milwaukee. Teammate Mike Hampton rushed to Spiers' aid and pummeled the spectator before the fight was broken up. Spiers was left with a bloody nose, a black eye and a case of whiplash.

One of the ugliest incidents baseball has seen occurred in 1984 at Atlanta's Fulton County Stadium when a group of fans decided to join a bench-clearing brawl between the Braves and the Padres. When the dust settled, 14 players had been ejected and five fans had been arrested.

And it's not only baseball. In a hockey game last year, Tie Domi of the Toronto Maple Leafs mixed it up with a Philadelphia fan in the penalty box after the fan lunged at Domi. A referee broke up the fight. And the fan was escorted from the arena and given a citation.

Stadium designers are favoring a trend towards placing fans as close to the action as possible. Will they have to start adding moats and high fences, as has been done in many arenas in Europe? Doubtful. But incidents like Thursday night's have to give team officials the jitters.

For CNN Sports, I'm Kara Henderson.

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COOPER: So we wanted to get a sense of, frankly, what the heck is going on here. So earlier this evening, we asked Mike Lupica, "Daily News" columnist and author of "Wild Pitch," to talk about this apparent pattern of violence as well as the specific attack seen on the tape from last night.

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COOPER: What did you think when you saw this?

MIKE LUPICA, "NEW YORK DAILY NEWS": I was shocked.

I had been out and I came home and watched the news last night. And there's lines that you just don't expect to see crossed. And when these two slobs came over the wall and went after this guy, the whole picture was so amazing and troubling, because the umpire stood there and watched. The other player kind of stood there and watched. And there's these two slobs pummeling this coach.

And whoever judges on this case, wherever this goes in the legal system, somebody has got to send a strong message with this, because this is beyond the lack of civility that I always hear in the stands when I'm sitting with my kids at ball games. This is thugdom. And it's of the worst kind.

COOPER: Well, there have been two incidents this week alone. There was the thing Monday night at a football game, I think an Eagles-Redskins game. What is going on? Has some line been crossed?

LUPICA: Yes.

And I'll tell you what. Guys in my business are as guilty as anybody, because we keep telling fans how involved they are in everything. And we kind of have made them believe that sports is so interactive, that they are practically part of the action. And that's everything that's done now. The camera is as close as possible. Everything that is done now...

COOPER: But it's not just sports writers. Comiskey Park, I think they renovated their stadium so that the fans would be closer to the action.

LUPICA: Everybody is told that they are close and it's like being in the game. And some guys aren't smart enough.

And I'll tell you something else. And I've talked about this for a long time. There's no rule that anybody ever passed that they have to sell beer at the ballpark.

COOPER: You think that's one of the problems?

LUPICA: Well, sure. Yes. It's the whole thing about gun control. Nobody ever shot anybody without a gun. Nobody goes out to the plate without a bat. Drunks don't get drunk unless there's a way to do it at the ballpark.

And I know how much the beer companies are big in baseball. And I'm not saying that everybody who drinks at the ballpark is going to do this. But you know what? I hear and see things on a daily basis at the ballpark and this lack of civility that I'm talking about. And this is just, maybe not a natural extension of this, but I can't say that I'm surprised that stuff like this goes on.

COOPER: But, look, there are going to be some fans who say: Look, there's always been bad some behavior, with Roger Maris, people yelling at players. That's always gone on. What is different now?

LUPICA: I don't know. Somehow I used to think, when I was young and naive, which was like 45 minutes ago, that...

COOPER: Before you met me.

LUPICA: That if you paid your ticket, you could do almost anything. And now I've found that the boundaries of almost anything are too far for me.

And, again, maybe it's having -- I've got these three sons who love to go to ball games. And there are times when I actually think about taking them and getting them in the car and going home, just because of the stuff I'm hearing around me. Does this mean this is going to happen next Tuesday night in Milwaukee and next Thursday night in L.A.? No, it doesn't.

But this should send up a lot of flags for a lot of ballpark security and people all over baseball that, again, a line got crossed yesterday. And now we've got to find out what we're going to do about it.

COOPER: Is there something also in the way that these sports figures are marketed that may be somehow encouraging this? You have this person stalking one of the Williams sisters the other day, a lot of people talking about how sexualized, for instance, women's tennis has become. Is there something in the commercialization of some of these players that is contributing to this?

LUPICA: I go back to what we were talking about at the start, Anderson. And I really believe that the whole culture of sports has convinced way too many people that they're a part of this.

And you want to make fun of these two dopes. But guess what? They broke the law. And I hope whatever judge they end up standing in front of in Chicago throws the book at them, so that the next person who thinks it's funny to run out on the field during the World Series and do one of those idiotic victory laps thinks twice about it.

COOPER: All right, Mike Lupica, thanks a lot. Thanks for stopping by tonight.

LUPICA: OK.

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COOPER: And before we go to the break, tonight's "Off the Radar": a notorious and bloody incident of spectator violence.

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ANNOUNCER: Few acts of violence changed the course of a professional sport more than a crazed spectator's attack in 1993. At the Citizen Cup in Hamburg, Germany, the world's No. 1 player, Monica Seles, was sitting courtside between matches. Spectator Gunther Parche leaned over the railing and shoved a five-inch knife between the 19-year-old's shoulder blades.

MONICA SELES, PROFESSIONAL TENNIS PLAYER: All I just felt was like, woo, something in my back. And I automatically went forward, because I know something went in. I didn't know how big it was. Then I just saw blood coming out. And then I turned back and I just saw the guy with a knife. And I didn't know what was going on.

ANNOUNCER: At the time, Seles had achieved such success at such a young age, sports reporters were predicting she would redefine the sport, much like Michael Jordan redefined basketball.

So what happened to her and the man who stabbed her? The answer when we return.

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ANNOUNCER: What happened to the world's top tennis pro, Monica Seles, and the man who stabbed her? The blade came within a hair of slicing into her spine. She returned to pro tennis two years later, but she had changed and so had her game. She continues to rank among the world's top players, but never returned to the dominant level she had had.

She also never returned to Germany. Why? The German justice system gave her attacker two years on parole. He never spent a day in prison. At the time, critics predicted the lenient sentence would encourage future violence against pro athletes on the field.

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LIN: Well, normally, we don't do a lot of stories on grand theft auto. But when the owner hops in the back of his vehicle while it's being stolen -- well, watch this.

Nathan Davis jumped into the bed of his truck when he saw two thieves driving away with it outside Houston. He used his cell phone to call 911. And a local news helicopter found him, too. Well, the truck got up to almost 100 miles an hour in the rain on a 20-mile chase. Police eventually made one arrest. And they are still looking for another guy.

In the meantime, Nathan Davis has his truck back. And we have got Nathan Davis.

Hi, Nathan.

NATHAN DAVIS, TRUCK OWNER: Hi.

LIN: You look no worse for wear. How you doing?

DAVIS: I'm fine. Thank you.

LIN: I have wanted to ask you this question all day long, since I saw you do this. Are you crazy? I mean, why didn't you just let them have the truck?

DAVIS: No, I'm actually a very sane man, thank you.

(LAUGHTER)

LIN: And it was really just a fluke, wasn't it, that you caught these guys trying to steal your truck?

DAVIS: Yes, it was.

LIN: So tell me what happened.

DAVIS: Well, I was at work and I went to use the telephone.

And as I was on the telephone, I just happened to peek out the window and I noticed two heads moving in the inside of my truck. And, at that point, I wasn't really sure if they were inside the truck or if there was a vehicle parked next to it and it appeared that maybe they were moving on the other side of the vehicle. And a couple minutes after that, I actually saw the taillights come on. And the vehicle started to move.

LIN: So was it just instinct? You ran for the passenger door, right, and you grabbed on to it.

DAVIS: Absolutely. It was just instinct at that point. I saw a personal belonging of mine being taken and instinct just took over.

LIN: You love this truck, don't you?

(LAUGHTER)

LIN: You were hanging on for dear life. So they actually put it in gear, right, and started taking off. And you were still hanging onto the door itself?

DAVIS: Yes.

For one while, I was actually on the door, because they could not exit the parking lot. But once they were able to make way to exit the parking lot, once I noticed they were going to get away, that's when I did jump into the back of the truck.

LIN: So you jumped into the back of the truck. And then they took off, right, and they headed for the interstate.

DAVIS: Yes.

LIN: Did you ever think to yourself: "These guys might have a gun. They could shoot out my back window and then shoot me"?

DAVIS: Well, actually, the gun factor didn't come into play.

I thought about it at the passenger door. But after that, I wasn't too worried, because, if they had a weapon, I feel they would have shown it at that point to scare me away.

LIN: So then you called 911. You had your cell phone with you.

DAVIS: Yes.

LIN: Did the 911 operator believe you at first? I think I would have a hard time believing that my customer was in the back of his hijacked truck.

DAVIS: Well, it took her a while to calm me down, to get an understanding of what I was telling her. But after that, yes, she did believe me.

LIN: And then you saw the TV news helicopter and you waved at it.

DAVIS: Yes. Actually, I did not know that it was a news helicopter until after the fact. I actually thought that was my help as far as law enforcement.

LIN: All right, so you are ripping down the interstate at about 100 miles an hour. Are your wife and kids watching this, just like we were watching it unfold on television?

DAVIS: No, fortunately, they weren't. But my grandmother, she called me last night. And I think the story broke into her soap operas. And she was watching it.

LIN: And she recognized you?

DAVIS: Yes, she did.

LIN: And the truck.

DAVIS: Yes, she did.

LIN: You know what your sister calls you.

DAVIS: Yes, my sister did call me.

LIN: Yes. And she called you stupid.

DAVIS: Yes. She was hysterical. She was crying and asking me, of course, what was I thinking. But, at that point, I told her I was safe and she could calm down.

LIN: So you were in this truck for how long, about 20 minutes or so?

DAVIS: Oh, a little longer than that. I was probably in the truck probably about 30 to 40 minutes.

LIN: All right, and, at any point, did you start thinking to yourself, "Where is this going to end?"

DAVIS: Actually, yes.

About 10 or 15 minutes into this fiasco, I actually came to my senses and wondered what I was doing in this open-bed truck moving at a high rate of speed in the rain, and thinking, if anything happened as far as a wreck or something, I wouldn't make it, yes.

LIN: Well, are you slapping yourself silly now and telling everybody at home, "Do not try this on your own"?

DAVIS: Sure. Sure. But, also, there's a plus side to it. These guys, one of them has been apprehended. And from my understanding, he has a record of this. So it's OK.

LIN: All right, so you stopped him in his tracks. They're looking for another guy.

How is your truck doing?

DAVIS: The truck is actually in the shop. I haven't heard any status as far as a quote of all the damage that was done. But it was in bad shape.

LIN: I can't wait to talk to your insurance guy and see that report.

(LAUGHTER)

LIN: Well, you've got documentation.

DAVIS: Yes.

LIN: Thank you so much, Nathan Davis. You stay safe.

DAVIS: I thank you.

LIN: All right.

Well, still ahead: It's disgusting. It's reprehensible. But guess what? It's legal.

Stay with us.

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COOPER: I don't know if you all heard about this story, but the Washington state Supreme Court took a bold stand yesterday for claiming that it's wrong to take pictures up women's skirts.

LIN: However, the court concluded that the simple wording of the state's voyeurism law is actually not enough to give people the legal right to privacy underneath their clothes, to make that distinction.

COOPER: Unbelievable.

LIN: So the justices overturned the convictions of two men who were caught taking pictures up the skirts of women and young girls. They planned to sell them on the Internet porn sites.

COOPER: And, apparently, lawmakers are now going to close that little loophole. And one of the guys who was busted will remain in jail, because he's doing a four-year stint for statutory rape.

And what's interesting about this story is that it shows how hard it is for lawmakers to stay ahead of technology. Basically, this voyeurism statute was written in 1998 to prevent people from taking pictures of people in their bedrooms, in their bathrooms. But they didn't take into account small digital cameras and small video cameras that could be used in a public space.

LIN: Yes, but what amazes me is, for example, four of the justices were actually women and they came to this conclusion.

But think about that. Your mother, your sister, I could go out of this building, and that means somebody has the public right to slip a little camera underneath my chair and take pictures?

COOPER: It's unbelievable. (CROSSTALK)

COOPER: And these guys, when you read about how these people were doing it, they were doing it in malls, in stores. And a woman would suddenly look around and notice a little flash. And then there's some guy on the floor with a little camera.

LIN: Yes. So Washington state is now setting the precedent that that is legal; there is nothing they can do about it.

You think this is going to go to Washington, the U.S. Supreme Court?

COOPER: It very well may be. It wouldn't surprise me.

LIN: Well, you know what they say about porn. You know it when you see it, right?

COOPER: I guess so.

LIN: We'll see what happens. We'll be following this, won't we, Anderson?

COOPER: I think so. No doubt.

LIN: Well, on Monday, a story worthy of Kafka, actually: the shaving misunderstanding at 20,000 feet. Two men wind up in jail.

COOPER: Yes, it's a really fascinating story.

Also, coming up next on "LARRY KING LIVE": Jeanne Phillips, "Dear Abby," talking about her mom's Alzheimer's.

Connie Chung is back on Monday.

Thanks for joining us. For all of us at CNN, have a good night.

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