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Police Search for Mother of Child Abandoned in Utah Store; Police May Have Found Suspect in 45-Year-Old Murder Case
Aired January 30, 2003 - 20:00 ET
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CONNIE CHUNG, HOST: Good evening. I'm Connie Chung.
Tonight: a new mystery surrounding the abandoned boy in Utah. Where is his mother?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a lady who's unaccounted for, when there's been a history of domestic violence.
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ANNOUNCER: The mother of the abandoned toddler now the focus of an intense manhunt, and how one man caught on tape could leave a 3- year-old.
He was living a quiet existence in the suburbs until police arrested him for murder, rape, kidnapping and robbery 45 years later. How a stone cold case could finally be solved.
And now there are three.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can't tell you how moved I am by each of you.
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ANNOUNCER: We'll meet the man Trista (ph) sent packing.
And our "`Person of the Day" says thanks, but no thanks.
This is CONNIE CHUNG TONIGHT. From the CNN broadcast center in New York, Connie Chung.
CHUNG: Good evening. The mystery of the little boy once known only as Jacob has been replaced by another mystery: Where is his mother? Some in law enforcement are hinting there may have been a sinister twist. CNN's Thelma Gutierrez (ph) has the latest.
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THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is 42- year-old Lyle Montgomery, the man at the center of a national manhunt, led away in cuffs from his home in Reno, Nevada. The search for Montgomery began on Saturday, after surveillance cameras captured images of him leaving his 3-year-old stepson, Jacob Corpuz, at a department store in Salt Lake City. A former day care worker spotted the boy on television and called police.
Now that authorities have finally located Montgomery, the investigation's focused on the whereabouts of Jacob's mother, 28-year- old Jeanette Corpuz, Montgomery's wife.
CHIEF JERRY HOOVER, RENO POLICE DEPARTMENT: Evidence that we have discovered during the search warrant -- and again, I can't discuss what that evidence is, but it would certainly lead us to believe that there was foul play.
GUTIERREZ: The couple once lived in this home in Reno. Police say they had a history of domestic violence. In fact, he was scheduled to appear in court Thursday afternoon on six prior felony counts, including assault with a deadly weapon, willfully endangering a child and multiple weapons violations. Lyle Montgomery's attorney, Marc Picker, told CNN that while the couple may have had problems, his client is not a violent man and that his weapons are legally registered.
MARC PICKER, ATTORNEY FOR LYLE MONTGOMERY: Mr. Montgomery is a hard-working person. He owns a house. He is a licensed pharmacist. He is a law-abiding citizen.
GUTIERREZ: Picker said his client was taken to a local hospital Thursday after suffering a reaction from taking drugs and alcohol. Then he was involuntarily committed by doctors to this psychiatric hospital. Reno police say they are very concerned about Jeanette Corpuz. She hasn't been seen since January 13.
HOOVER: Anyone having contact with Jeanette Corpuz, Lyle Montgomery or seen Lyle's 2002 Chevy pick-up since January 21, if they would please contact either the Reno Police Department or the FBI.
GUTIERREZ: Thelma Gutierrez, CNN, Reno, Nevada.
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CHUNG: Joining me now from Reno, Nevada, is Marc Picker, attorney for Lyle Montgomery.
Thank you, Mr. Picker for being with us.
PICKER: Good evening.
CHUNG: Sir, have Reno police told you that your client, Lyle Montgomery, is a possible suspect in the disappearance of his wife?
PICKER: No. In fact, what they've told me is that they're investigating all leads, but they haven't decided whether he's a suspect in anything.
CHUNG: Does your client know where his wife is?
PICKER: Mr. Montgomery and I had a brief conversation this morning while he was in the hospital, and we weren't able to really discuss any of that. He wasn't really lucid at the time.
CHUNG: Do you know why he's in the hospital?
PICKER: He -- last night when the police came to his residence, they found him laying on the floor in a lethargic state. They took him to the police station, and it quickly became apparent to them that he was unable to answer questions or really even walk by himself. So after about an hour, they took him to the hospital, where he was treated. Apparently, he has an interaction between some prescription medicine and possibly some alcohol.
CHUNG: Had he taken sleeping pills and alcohol at the same time in a suicide attempt?
PICKER: I don't believe so.
CHUNG: Does he have any psychiatric problems? Because apparently he's been placed in the psychiatric ward of the hospital.
PICKER: Well, what's happened is he's been moved to a psychiatric hospital because the prescription drugs that he took have a long life within his system and they felt that it was better for him to be under observation at a psychiatric hospital that handles those kind of things, rather than in the emergency room or in a normal ward room in a regular hospital.
CHUNG: Do you know if your client had anything to do with his wife's disappearance?
PICKER: At this point, I have no knowledge that he had anything to do with that.
CHUNG: Do you know if his wife left voluntarily?
PICKER: My understanding from the Reno Police Department and talking to people there is that that's one of the leads they're following up, is that possibly Mrs. Montgomery left some time in the last two weeks voluntarily and moved away.
CHUNG: But according to police, they are treating this as even a homicide. I mean, she's a missing woman, but they are treating it much the same as they would a homicide. Have you been informed as to whether or not your client is cooperating with the police in that respect?
PICKER: Well, last night he was unable to cooperate with them because he really wasn't lucid. He really couldn't answer any questions. And since 8:15 this morning, he's been hospitalized at the psychiatric hospital on an involuntary commitment, so he really has not had an opportunity to meet with anybody or really talk to anybody.
CHUNG: Police have apparently found evidence in your client's apartment that would suggest foul play. Do you know what was found in there?
PICKER: No, I don't. They haven't informed me of that at all.
CHUNG: Apparently, your client had some weapons in his possession, in his apartment, including sawed-off shotguns. Do you know why he had those weapons in his apartment?
PICKER: Yes. Mr. Montgomery is a weapons collector. He had a number of things that normally are illegal firearms, but he had legal permits from the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Bureau to own those. He went through all the proper channels and he had all of the proper permits to own all those weapons, so they were legally in his possession.
CHUNG: The word we were getting was they were illegal sawed-off shotguns.
PICKER: Well, the problem is, is that there is such a thing as a legal sawed-off shotgun -- that being a shortened shotgun -- and he had one of those. But he also had a shotgun that was less than the legal limit. But if you have a permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, you can own a shotgun that is less than the legal limit, and that's what he had.
CHUNG: Do you know if your client has been charged with any offense?
PICKER: The only offense that he's been charged with regarding this incident, my understanding is, is that Salt Lake City Police Department has had him charged with a misdemeanor regarding some kind of child abandonment or endangerment.
CHUNG: Is your client the same man who was seen in the video taking that little boy into the store and leaving him there?
PICKER: I've watched that video. And having known Mr. Montgomery since October, I can identify him. I don't know that that's him on the video. I can't identify that person.
CHUNG: Has your client admitted that he is, indeed, that person who took his stepson to the store and left him there?
PICKER: Well, the discussion that I had with my client is privileged and so I can't reveal anything, but I have no information to suggest that that was him.
CHUNG: You said you've known your client since October, you said?
PICKER: That's correct.
CHUNG: Why do you believe that he's a fine, upstanding citizen, which is what you have told someone?
PICKER: Mr. Montgomery formerly was a firearms dealer, licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. You have to go through a procedure to get that license, which he did so. He also went through all of the proper procedures to own weapons, and he followed all the laws and all the rules. He's a licensed pharmacist within the state of Nevada. He had to go through the licensing procedure to do that. He has a job. He's a steady worker. He owns a residence here in town. He's never been in trouble with the law.
CHUNG: He was arrested in October, accused of assault with a deadly weapon. And apparently according to police, he held a gun to his wife's head while the child -- in the child's presence.
PICKER: That's the allegation that Mrs. Montgomery made. Of course, that's before Mrs. Montgomery and Mr. Montgomery were married. She made those allegations in October of last year. She disappeared for two months and didn't show up for court appearances and had no contact with the district attorney's office. When she finally did make contact with them, she told them she would cooperate. But then two weeks later, she came back to Reno and got together with Mr. Montgomery and married him.
CHUNG: But according to...
PICKER: And that was just a month ago.
CHUNG: But according to police reports, she was about to leave with her son, and that's when her fiance, at the time, put a gun to her head.
PICKER: Actually, what had happened is Mr. Montgomery and Ms. Snyder, at the time, had broken up because Mr. Montgomery broke off the engagement. And she was leaving, and he had no objection to that. What the argument was, was that was she had broken into his house by kicking in the front doors and was taking some of his personal property. They got into an argument. She then called the police and made these allegations, which we have contested.
CHUNG: Now, the police said that he was planning to get a divorce from his wife, and she was possibly moving to Reading (ph), California. He was going to take her there. Do you know anything about them getting a divorce and moving?
PICKER: No, I don't, although I have heard that she had -- that she had moved some time in the last week to Reading.
CHUNG: Is your client a violent person?
PICKER: No. He's absolutely not a violent person and has no history of it.
CHUNG: Thank you so much for being with us, Marc Picker.
PICKER: You're welcome.
Last night, we asked Carol Sisco, spokesperson for the Utah Department of Human Services, to tell us about how Jacob was doing, and we've got her back now with us for an update.
Carol, thank you so much for joining us again.
CAROL SISCO, SPOKESPERSON, UTAH DEPT. OF HUMAN SVCS.: Glad to join you.
CHUNG: How's he doing?
SISCO: He's doing remarkably well still, considering all he's gone through in the last few days. He's still -- you know, obviously, he's sad. He misses Mommy. He wonders where she is. He wants to see Mommy. But he's getting very close to his foster mom. He clings to her. He trusts her, and so, you know, he sits on her lap. He holds her hand. He spends a lot of time with her. He's still playing with his -- you know, with his foster brother. Considering everything he's gone through, he's doing really well.
CHUNG: And I remember you told us yesterday that his foster mother put a mattress next to her, so that he could sleep there. Is he still clinging to her, in that respect?
SISCO: Yes, he is.
CHUNG: All right. Carol, I understand that his biological father has been located. Did he talk to him on the phone? Did the biological father talk to the boy on the phone?
SISCO: We arranged a call last night, so that he was -- and his dad was on the phone talking to him. Jacob just listened. Then his close friend, RJ, got on the phone. And there again, he just listened for a few minutes.
CHUNG: Were you able to determine if Jacob knows his biological father well?
SISCO: You know, I really don't know how well he knows him. I know that he does know him. And I'm not certain how long it's been since he had seen him.
CHUNG: Carol, now that his stepfather, Lyle Montgomery, has been questioned by police, I'm wondering -- and I'm sure many people out there are wondering -- have the police shown Jacob a picture of Lyle Montgomery and asked him, Is this the man who brought you to the store and left you there?
SISCO: That's something you would need to ask the police.
CHUNG: Do you have any idea if the police have gone to the foster mother's home to find -- to talk to the boy again?
SISCO: I know that they have interviewed him. Normally, in Utah -- we have a facility called the Children's Justice Center, and we always take children there to be interviewed.
CHUNG: All right. How is he doing in terms of eating? I know it's always hard to feed a child who's 3 years old because they get very finicky anyway. SISCO: Yes. He was -- he was -- he's eating pretty lightly. Last night, my boss went out and spent two or three hours with him, just to see how he was. And Richard said, Well, Jacob, what would you like to eat? And his answer was, I like kitty-cats.
CHUNG: Oh, dear.
SISCO: And -- well, it turned out it was OK, Connie. And Richard said, Oh, does that mean you have a cat? And Jacob said no, and looked at him like he was nuts. Well, it turns out Jacob loves Kit-Kat candy bars.
CHUNG: Got it. That's why I was actually saying, Oh, dear, Carol, because I know it's candy!
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CHUNG: But he -- that's what he wanted?
SISCO: Yes. I think the foster -- the stepmom said -- or foster mom -- I'm getting my terms mixed up -- said something about, Well, Jacob likes pizza. And Jacob started saying, I want pizza. I want pizza. So he is eating, not a lot, but -- you know, he's just an amazing little boy.
CHUNG: Yes, he certainly is. Well, my son likes Kit-Kats, too. Thank you...
SISCO: Well, you know, I like them too, but...
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CHUNG: All right. Carol Sisco, thank you so much. And I know you all are going to take good care of this little boy.
SISCO: We will. Thank you, Connie.
CHUNG: Still ahead: the trial of the woman accused of running over her cheating husband. The prosecution rests. How persuasive was the argument? Stay with us.
ANNOUNCER: Coming up: after nearly a half century, a break in an unsolved murder and the arrest of a man who was living with a deadly secret for decades.
CONNIE CHUNG TONIGHT returns in a moment.
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CHUNG: An incredible story of a murder case that had gone very, very cold and suddenly has come back to life. Has the law caught up to a gunman who robbed two young couples, raped one young woman and then left two cops to die on a California street 45 years ago? CNN's Frank Buckley has the astounding story of how a single clue from 1957 led to a stunning arrest in 2003.
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FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It happened during a routine traffic stop 45 years ago, when officers Richard Phillips and Milton Curtis pulled over a 1949 Ford.
JACK WYATT, EL SEGUNDO POLICE CHIEF: What they did not know at the time was that the driver had just committed a robbery, rape and kidnapping in the city of Hawthorne (ph).
BUCKLEY: Of teenagers on a lovers' lane. But before Phillips and Curtis could make the connection, police say, the driver of the car shot both officers to death. It was a crime that shocked a community and gained national notoriety. "True Detective" profiled the case of the cop killer. But as the years went by and the quiet lovers' lane turned into this busy urban thoroughfare, the case went cold.
JOSEPH BOOTERBAUGH, FORMER EL SEGUNDO POLICE OFFICER : It haunted us for years, for years.
CAPT. FRANK MERRIMAN, L.A. COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: Well, we have boxes containing the files.
BUCKLEY: But it was never forgotten, says LA County sheriff's homicide captain Frank Merriman.
MERRIMAN: We have sketches and composites.
BUCKLEY: Merriman showed us the boxes of material that had remained in storage.
MERRIMAN: ... that cover all of the over 3,000 clues, all of the over 400 guns that have been cleared, all of the suspects that have been brought in and eliminated over the course of 45-and-a-half years.
BUCKLEY: And there were fingerprints from that 1949 Ford, but detectives working the case back then could never find a match. It was a time-consuming, manual process of physically matching one print to another. But then last year, an FBI database of fingerprints from across the U.S. came on line, and detectives weren't even born at the time Phillips and Curtis were killed made a match.
MERRIMAN: That is what broke this case. It gave us a focus and gave us a place to look. Without that, we had nothing.
BUCKLEY: Now the detectives did have something, and it led them here, to this comfortable Colombia, South Carolina, retirement community, to the home of 68-year-old Gerald Mason, who appeared in court 45 years after authorities allege he killed two police officers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Mason, are you represented today by attorney?
GERALD MASON: Yes, sir.
BUCKLEY: The grandfather, the man neighbors and friends know as a neighborhood helper and a fantastic bowler, left all of them in shock.
OSCAR PEELER, MASON'S FRIEND: I can't imagine him doing anything like that. He's just so kind and helpful and thoughtful.
BUCKLEY: Mason's brother denied the allegations.
MURRAY MASON, MASON'S BROTHER: Nobody believes anything.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nobody believes any of this?
MURRAY MASON: This is ridiculous.
BUCKLEY: Mason is fighting extradition. Detectives are convinced he committed the crime, and LA's law enforcement community came together in El Segundo to say the search for any cop killer is never over.
MERRIMAN: When it comes to killing a police officer, we don't forgive, we don't forget, we don't give up.
BUCKLEY: Frank Buckley, CNN, Los Angeles.
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CHUNG: Joining us now from Los Angeles, Captain Frank Merriman of the county sheriff's office.
Thank you, sir, for being with us. We appreciate it.
MERRIMAN: Well, thank you.
CHUNG: Now, I know you oversaw this case, but not in 1957. You weren't around there at the time. Essentially, this case was a cold case, wasn't it? It went unsolved for all those years.
MERRIMAN: Yes, it did. The leads were worked seriously by many agencies for two years after this case began almost night and day. They eliminated suspects throughout the country. They eliminated firearms throughout the country. In 1960, the murder weapon and some jewelry that was stolen was discovered in a backyard in Manhattan Beach, which revived interest in the case a little bit more, and then the case went dormant pretty much. The leads were exhausted, and we had not found the suspect until September of last year.
CHUNG: And then although a tip came along which caused you to reopen the case, it didn't work out. But what happened was you actually did pursue the database. You checked fingerprints. If that tip had not come along, would you have checked the database?
MERRIMAN: If the tip had not come along this, case probably wouldn't have been examined for another couple, three years, at least. Several of our unsolved cases are solved just like that, where a phone call comes in, the investigators then review the whole case file, track that clue to its conclusion, whether it be a good clue, or in this case, where it turned out not to be the right clue, but it caused us to look at the case and submit those fingerprints to a new database that just came on line in February of last year. And that allowed us to get the break in this case, to match those fingerprints with those of the suspect.
CHUNG: Now, when U.S. marshals, when all the authorities, knocked on Gerald Mason's door, what was his reaction?
MERRIMAN: My understanding from talking to the investigators at the scene was that he was quite stunned, as was his wife. And that's understandable because he has gotten away with this for 45-and-a-half years.
CHUNG: He's been married for 40 years. Is it your impression that his wife knew nothing about this alleged crime?
MERRIMAN: At this point that's our belief. We don't believe she knew anything about this at all.
CHUNG: Couldn't it be a case of mistaken identity, Captain?
MERRIMAN: We feel so strongly about this case that we took it to the district attorney. We have filed charges, and we sought a warrant for this man's arrest. We are quite confident we have the right man.
CHUNG: But indeed, if he is the alleged killer, he has lived a spotless life, has he not?
MERRIMAN: Yes, he has. However, that does not excuse the crime he committed, you know, 45 years ago. And those two officers that were in their 20s, of course, have not had any life for the past 45 years.
CHUNG: So you are certain that this is the man?
MERRIMAN: We are quite confident this is the man, yes, ma'am.
CHUNG: Do you feel that it will be harder for the prosecution to prove that he is the killer because all these years have passed?
MERRIMAN: It is our belief that this case will be successfully prosecuted. And you're quite correct, it will be more difficult to prosecute because of the age of the case. All of our witnesses are older. A lot of time has gone by, and there are a lot of issues. However, I'm confident and the district attorney that's assigned to this case is quite confident that this will be successfully prosecuted.
CHUNG: Captain, if, indeed, this man is the killer, isn't it quite unusual that if, indeed, he got married, became a father, a grandfather and did not commit any crime even coming remotely close to this case in 1957 for all those years?
MERRIMAN: It's quite remarkable. However, I would doubt that it's unheard of. It's just that we don't know of a lot of people that have committed crimes and have never been caught. It is definitely a long time, though.
CHUNG: All right. Captain Merriman, I thank you so much for being with us. We appreciate it.
Right now, a new development in the war on terror tops tonight's look at "The World in 60."
Richard Reid was sentenced to life in prison for trying to blow up an airliner with explosives hidden in his shoes. Reid, a British citizen and admitted member of al Qaeda, pleaded guilty to charges last October.
Leaders of eight European nations issued a joint declaration of solidarity with the U.S. in its campaign against Iraq. France and Germany did not sign the letter, which was published in European newspapers.
In South Africa, a very different response. Nelson Mandela, the former president and Nobel Peace Prize winner, said President Bush is plunging the world into a, quote, "holocaust because he wants to control Iraqi oil."
Sources tell CNN that next week, Secretary of State Colin Powell will show the U.N. Security Council satellite photos of Iraqis clearing out sites before the arrival of U.N. inspectors to demonstrate Iraq is hiding weapons of mass destruction.
The Bush administration designated a Pakistani radical Islamic group as a foreign terrorist organization. The U.S. says the group was involved in the kidnapping and murder of journalist Daniel Pearl last year.
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CHUNG: Seventeen-year-old Lindsey Harris not only saw the car that struck and killed her father last year. She was in it. And, as she testified in court, she was begging her stepmother, who was at the wheel, to stop.
Clara Harris faces life in prison if convicted of murdering her unfaithful husband, David Harris. But she could get a lighter sentence if the jury finds that she acted in a sudden passion.
CNN's Ed Lavandera has been covering the trial and joins us now from Houston to fill us in on the prosecution's case and today's wrangling.
Ed, I understand that the prosecution rested its case. Is it a fairly solid case, would you say?
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the prosecution would like to think so, although the defense will now have its chance to attack the holes that they see in that.
And the jury was not in the courtroom today. What we saw today in the courtroom here in Houston were the attorneys debating over the quality of the defense's expert witness, an accident reconstructionist who will have, who will testify that David Harris, Clara's husband, was hit only one time. This goes to the heart of what the defense is going to try to prove in its case, that Clara Harris hit David Harris one time and that was it, although the prosecutors have put on evidence that David Harris was hit at least twice.
That's what a pathologist said. And Lindsey Harris, as you heard yesterday, saying that she remembered David Harris being hit three times. And this goes to the heart of what, as you just mentioned, Connie, that, if they can prove that it was only once, it's a lot easier for them to prove that it wasn't something she deliberately did.
CHUNG: As you told us yesterday, Lindsey Harris' testimony was really quite devastating, quite damaging to the defendant, Clara Harris. What is the fallout from her testimony, do you think?
LAVANDERA: Well, it's going to be very important for the defense attorneys in this situation to put on testimony.
They will call fact witnesses. They will call into question all of the witnesses, whether or not they saw exactly what they saw really was in fact. And that's why they're hoping that this defense expert, if they testify -- this defense expert was supposed to have a videotaped reconstruction of the accident that happened. The judge will not allow that evidence to be put into court.
But they're hoping that this defense expert will be able to contradict some of what Lindsey Harris has said. They believe it's that powerful, although outside, when they came out of the courthouse yesterday, they said that they didn't think it was as damaging as they had expected it to be.
CHUNG: Now, Lindsey Harris' stepfather spoke with reporters today, really interesting thing he had to say. Tell us about that.
LAVANDERA: Well, this is an interesting situation that's developed.
In part of the questioning that took place while Lindsey Harris was on the witness stand, the defense attorney brought up the fact that she has a wrongful death lawsuit failed against Clara Harris. Now, Clara Harris is the sole beneficiary of David Harris' life insurance policy. So, the defense attorney is making the suggestion out there that perhaps Lindsey Harris is testifying against her stepmother because of the money that might be involved.
Her attorneys came out today to clear up what they think is some misinformation out there that it is not only Lindsey Harris, but her twin brothers, the children that David and Clara had, that they also stand to benefit from this as well. So, they want to clear up the fact that this isn't something that Lindsey's trying to do for the money.
Just outside the courthouse today, her stepfather spoke very briefly with reporters.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JIM SHANK, STEPFATHER OF LINDSEY HARRIS: The situation was between three adults. And Lindsey should not have been put in the middle. We feel that Clara was wrong in her actions and for involving our daughter. We will not be satisfied until justice is served.
It does not matter how angry you get. You do not have the right to kill anyone for any reason, especially in front of their innocent child.
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LAVANDERA: Connie, the defense team here will begin presenting its case on Friday. And they expect it to last several days. So, this trial is expected to last probably at least another week -- Connie.
CHUNG: Do you think that Clara Harris is going to take the stand? Have the defense lawyers given any indication?
LAVANDERA: I just asked defense attorney George Parnham that. He says he hasn't come to that decision yet, although he did tell me that Gail Bridges, David Harris' mistress, that he does have plans to call her as a witness. But when exactly that might happen, he's not exactly sure yet. It depends on when this expert witness will be able to testify.
CHUNG: Oh, fascinating. We have no idea of what she's going to say.
Ed Lavandera in Houston, thank you.
And joining me now is our legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin.
Jeffrey, Ed mentioned something that maybe we need some help with here, that the court was discussing today -- no testimony -- was discussing today this accident expert. Why? And what would be the purpose?
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Basically, the way the law is now is that, when there's an expert witness, the judge has to make a preliminary determination of whether the expert is credible at all, whether he's -- to exclude him if he's simply wacky, if he has no scientific basis for what he's testifying. And accident reconstruction is a common for witnesses to testify in.
CHUNG: It's legitimate?
TOOBIN: Often legitimate, although it's often controversial.
And what the defense is trying to do here, very important, is, based on skid marks, based on the injuries to David Harris, based on all the evidence, this reconstruction expert will say, he was hit only once, not three times, very important if you're trying to argue that this was just an accident.
CHUNG: Now, Clara Harris is hoping, no doubt, and her defense attorneys are hoping that they can put forth a defense that ties in something called sudden passion.
TOOBIN: Right.
CHUNG: Because that would limit her culpability?
TOOBIN: It would limit her sentence dramatically.
Intentional murder, she's looking at up to life in prison if she's convicted of the top charge. If she's convicted of murder with sudden passion, she could get as little as five years, maybe even probation. It's a very, very much lesser charge. It's not as good as being acquitted, but it's dramatically better than a conviction for murder.
CHUNG: Now, Lindsey Harris, the stepdaughter, had so many key quotes that she attributed to her stepmom. And they were very damaging, weren't they?
TOOBIN: Totally, totally damaging.
The jury -- it's going to be so hard to convince the jury that this girl, 17-year-old girl, was lying, was mistaken. She saw -- she was in the murder weapon, this Mercedes. And I don't care what this expert says. If this jury says this girl is telling the truth, Clara Harris is in big, big trouble.
CHUNG: Well, the quotes are something like: I could kill him and get away with it and I'm going to hit him.
TOOBIN: It's almost a perfect government witness, because it shows premeditation. It shows an absence of passion. It shows calculation. It shows thinking out the process of the legal system, saying you could get away with it. If the jury believes the 17-year- old girl, Clara Harris is going to get convicted.
CHUNG: So, if you were defending Clara Harris, what would you do?
TOOBIN: Well, I think the accident-reconstruction expert is an excellent idea to try to raise the passion issue.
And I think there's a subtext here that's very important, which is really to get the jury to hate the victim and to talk about his extramarital affair, to talk about how he was sort of flaunting it in front of his entire family, his wife, his daughter, and get the jury so unsympathetic to the victim that they're looking to cut the defendant a break, even if it's just to convict to a lesser count. But that's a heck of a lot better than being convicted of murder.
CHUNG: All right.
And, finally, Jeffrey, would you put Clara Harris on the stand? Not that you know her and know what she might do, but...
TOOBIN: I think this is a very good time. Usually, you don't put the defendant on the stand. But here you have someone who doesn't have a criminal record, so they can't be impeached. There is something sympathetic about a woman who's been wronged in this way. And if she can cut a sympathetic figure and talk about the passion, talk about how she wanted to keep her family together and she had these twins with this guy, to generate a certain amount of sympathy, this strikes me as a textbook case of the kind of situation where you want to put the defendant on the stand.
CHUNG: Jeffrey, we were just looking at pictures of her when she had blond hair. She had actually dyed her hair blond, because, apparently, the story is, is that she was trying to change her appearance for him.
TOOBIN: To win her husband back.
It's sad. It's really sad. There's a lot sympathetic about Clara Harris' story. But if you run over a guy three times in a parking lot, I don't care how sympathetic you are. You just can't do that. And so it is going to be tough for the defense, but I think they've got to put her on the stand.
CHUNG: Jeffrey, thank you.
Next: For the for the time, a man who says he was abused by a disgraced Boston priest speaks out.
Stay with us.
ANNOUNCER: Still ahead: She's in the driver's seat now.
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TRISTA REHN: My gut is leading me in the right direction.
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ANNOUNCER: "The Bachelorette" leaves another man scorned. We'll meet him -- when CONNIE CHUNG TONIGHT returns.
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CHUNG: A criminal investigation is under way in California tonight of the Reverend Paul Shanley, the disgraced Boston priest. A young man is accusing Shanley of abuse more than a decade ago.
CNN's Brian Cabell has the story and the alleged victim's first television interview.
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KEVIN ENGLISH, ALLEGED PRIEST SEXUAL ABUSE VICTIM: In my life, I feel it's a healing process.
BRIAN CABELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Kevin English says it happened almost 13 years ago, when he was a confused youngster of 17, wondering about his sexuality and searching for answers from the Catholic Church.
English claims that Reverend Paul Shanley visited his church in Big Bear, California, on Easter Sunday in 1990, befriended the youngster and escorted him to the rectory.
ENGLISH: Well, then he started manipulating me and engaged me in a sexual act.
CABELL (on camera): And what were you thinking at this point?
ENGLISH: I don't know. I was curious. And I thought he was helping me and he was a priest. So I went along with what he was doing.
CABELL: Was this your first sexual experience?
ENGLISH: Yes. I was a virgin to that point.
CABELL (voice-over): Shanley had just been transferred from Boston to the San Bernardino, California, Diocese on a medical leave of absence. He worked part-time at St. Ann's Church. And diocese officials were assured that he had an impeccable record.
In a letter from the archdiocese obtained by CNN, Cardinal Bernard Law had signed off on the transfer. Reverend Robert Banks of the Boston Archdiocese had written that, "Father Shanley has no problem that would be a concern to your diocese."
REV. HOWARD LINCOLN, SPOKESMAN, SAN BERNARDINO DIOCESE: At that time in 1990, a letter from a bishop was sufficient. However, in addition to that, we received from Father Shanley in August of 1991 an affidavit of responsibility in which he signed a statement, under penalty of perjury, that he had never even been accused of sexual molestation of children.
CABELL: As it turns out, of course, the Archdiocese of Boston had an extensive record on Shanley's alleged misconduct by that point. And Kevin English says he became the next of Shanley's alleged victims.
Shanley, he claims, invited him to his residence at a gay resort in Palm Springs. There, out by the pool, English says, he saw men engaging in sex.
ENGLISH: And Father Paul condoned all this. He said it was healthy and it was good for you and that it was something that people should do.
CABELL (on camera): What were you thinking when he said that?
ENGLISH: I don't know. I just went along with him.
CABELL: So you engaged in it, too?
ENGLISH: Yes.
CABELL: Because he told you it was all right?
ENGLISH: Yes. He told me it would make my life better.
CABELL (voice-over): His attorney says English has been treated for psychological problems since he was a teenager.
WILLIAM LIGHT, ATTORNEY FOR ENGLISH: You're talking, I think, about a young man who really didn't have a lot of judgment of his own. He was somebody who could be easily led and easily manipulated.
CABELL: According to a lawsuit filed by English, the sexual relationship between him and Shanley, who was about 40 years older, lasted for three years. Then Shanley moved away and English says they talked occasionally by phone, with Shanley dispensing advice to the young man.
ENGLISH: He never talked theology. He didn't like to talk about religion.
CABELL (on camera): Did that strike you as strange?
ENGLISH: Yes.
CABELL: A priest who doesn't like to talk about religion?
ENGLISH: I thought it was strange. Then he would say: I don't worry about your soul, Kevin, so we don't need to talk about religion.
CABELL (voice-over): Father Shanley, through his attorney, denies English's account of their relationship. There was not, according to the attorney, ever any ever impropriety between the priest and the young man.
Kevin English believes otherwise and, after all these years, says he's still confused and distrustful. He is suing Shanley and the church in Boston and San Bernardino, seeking monetary damages.
LINCOLN: We feel very, very badly for Kevin, truly, very badly for him. We wish him the very, very best in his life.
But we do not feel responsible for whatever transpired with Kevin and Father Shanley.
CABELL (on camera): Why?
LINCOLN: Because we had no evidence whatsoever, no indications at all that Father Shanley was engaging in sexual misconduct.
CABELL (voice-over): Archdiocese officials in Boston declined to conduct about the civil lawsuit.
(on camera): California authorities are now investigating English's charges against Father Shanley. But, for the foreseeable future, it appears that Shanley will remain in Massachusetts, where dozens of young men have filed lawsuits against him, men whose own stories seem to have much in common with the story of Kevin English. Brian Cabell, CNN.
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CHUNG: Still ahead: a stunning secret revealed from one of history's most famous love stories.
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CHUNG: Did you see the scandalous case of discrimination on "The Bachelorette"? In last night's show, the guy from New York was booted because he has a small apartment. Hey, everybody in New York has a small apartment.
Still, Greg Todtman did his best to win the babe over. He even tried to win her hand with a song.
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GREG TODTMAN, ELIMINATED FROM "THE BACHELORETTE" (singing): Well, I didn't know I'd ever find a girl who smiles as sweet as you well.
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CHUNG: Well, "The Bachelorette" decided not to be with him, but we asked him to join us tonight.
Thank you, Greg, for coming.
TODTMAN: Hi. Nice to meet you.
CHUNG: Appreciate it.
You know what? She's got to be a princess, you know, if she didn't like her apartment. I mean, come on, in New York, this is the size of most apartments.
TODTMAN: I guess people who are coming in from an out-of-town point of view, well, at least in this case, it definitely made an impact.
CHUNG: I'm looking at it. It is actually a little messy. You can't tell on television, though, because dirt doesn't show on television, right? But it was messy, wasn't it? Oh, she looks really out of it. She looks unhappy.
TODTMAN: Oh, boy, there it is.
CHUNG: What's that thing under the towel?
TODTMAN: It's probably just some horrible -- there it is.
CHUNG: Oh, my gosh. Greg, Greg, Greg.
TODTMAN: Oh, man. Look at her. She knows. She knows it's over right there.
CHUNG: Yes. And how about you?
TODTMAN: I think maybe -- I wasn't quite sure. I didn't actually see her reaction until I saw it last night on TV with my friends sitting there. So, we were on the floor laughing. We were actually sitting in the apartment. We look around. We're like, yes, we understand.
No, but the truth was what you didn't see on camera -- well, you did, actually, in that one little corner -- there just so much clutter in this one little part. And she must have seen it and just said, I don't know anymore.
CHUNG: Greg, I don't know. What do you think went wrong? Because she actually did that say she was attracted to you physically early on.
TODTMAN: Well, aside from the apartment thing that went on.
CHUNG: The disaster.
TODTMAN: The disaster, I would put it.
I think a couple of times, I told her off camera that I felt that I didn't know how I was going to react when I got to the show and you have this crazy -- pretty much a circus environment for what you're trying to do.
CHUNG: Right.
TODTMAN: And then I think I just -- I realized, especially after the date, or at least towards the middle of the date, that I really just wasn't so suited for that environment for meeting somebody, with cameras everywhere.
CHUNG: You mean with cameras all around?
(LAUGHTER)
TODTMAN: The whole -- it wasn't the most natural place to be. And I guess that was really important to me. And she knew it. And I think we both knew going in that it was just probably better to end it as friends as it was. And I told her, it would have been nice to meet here in real life. But what can you do?
CHUNG: You weren't taking it seriously, were you? Come on.
TODTMAN: I definitely went in with an open mind. She was a terrific woman. I'm going to be honest with you. And if it went over well, I think I could have definitely fallen, just like with anybody else I meet. But, in this case, it just the right -- like I said, it was the right way to end it.
CHUNG: OK.
For anybody else out there who wants to meet you, I was reading your bio. You said your occupation is importation?
TODTMAN: Yes.
CHUNG: What the heck is that?
(LAUGHTER)
TODTMAN: I used to work in Guam in a Club Med right out of college.
CHUNG: Yes?
TODTMAN: So right from there, I went to Bali for vacation. I was supposed to stay for about a week. And I ended up...
CHUNG: So you import drugs?
(LAUGHTER)
TODTMAN: It's mostly opium, but I don't like to talk about it on the air.
CHUNG: OK.
(LAUGHTER)
TODTMAN: Actually, I just fell in love with Bali so much that I think I ended up staying for about two months or a month and a half. And I ended up buying the whole country up, it seems. I just took these three credit cards and swiped them through. And I just took a shot and I started this business. And it worked out.
CHUNG: So, now you move on. And have you seen the other guys, the other rejects?
TODTMAN: I haven't seen the other rejects as of yet. But we're going to get together for the reunion, which should be terrific. But we've been keeping in touch on the e-mail and on the phone. So, they're just a great bunch of guys. We really made friends when we were there.
CHUNG: You all really like each other, don't you?
TODTMAN: Yes, we really did. It was awesome.
CHUNG: Do you think you're going to get together a few times?
TODTMAN: I think so. I think we might actually make it out to someone's place or another, depending on who wants to host. But we're definitely going to keep it going.
CHUNG: Greg Todtman, thank you so much for being with us.
TODTMAN: Thank you.
CHUNG: I hope you find somebody. TODTMAN: I hope so, too.
CHUNG: We were just speaking of love and rejection, 21st century showbiz style. Tonight's "Snapshot" has news about a slightly more famous courtship.
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(voice-over): Britain's King Edward VIII gave up his thrown to marry American divorcee Wallis Simpson. But, apparently, during their courtship, Simpson had other interests. According to just-released British government files, Simpson had a secret affair while courting the future king.
Actor Matt Damon goes undercover again for his next movie, "The Informant." According to "Variety," the role will reunite him with Oscar-winning director Steven Soderbergh.
No charges were filed, but police were back at O.J. Simpson's Florida home. His 17-year-old daughter called authorities after she and her father got into an argument.
Reality TV will soon get some Magic. Basketball legend Magic Johnson is shooting for a series with street basketball players competing for fame and $100,000. "Who's Got Game?" is set to air this summer.
The Oakland Raiders were missing a key player on Super Bowl Sunday. All-pro center Barrett Robbins was in the hospital being treated for depression, a condition he's battled for years.
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CHUNG: Tonight, a film legend's reason for turning down an honor is reason enough for us to make him our "Person of the Day." Peter O'Toole, first nominated for "Lawrence Of Arabia," asked the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences not to give him an honorary Oscar in March.
Why? The 70-year-old actor, nominated seven times, but never a winner, wrote that he is -- quote -- "still in the game and might yet win the lovely bugger outright." The academy responded that the honorary award doesn't put him out of the running. Henry Fonda and Paul Newman both won after getting honorary Oscars. O'Toole, however, asked that the academy defer his honor until he's 80.
The reply? The academy will give it to O'Toole whenever he shows up to claim it. Until then, we can only hope that Hollywood gives him roles worthy of an Oscar and worthy of the talent of Peter O'Toole, our "Person of the Day."
And tomorrow: CNN's Christiane Amanpour with her exclusive interview with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, as he flies to Camp David to meet with President Bush. And coming up next on "LARRY KING LIVE," Larry talks with legendary radio personality Paul Harvey.
Thank you so much for joining us. And for all of us at CNN, good night and we'll see you tomorrow.
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CONNIE CHUNG, HOST: Good evening. I'm Connie Chung.
Tonight: a new mystery surrounding the abandoned boy in Utah. Where is his mother?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We have a lady who's unaccounted for, when there's been a history of domestic violence.
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ANNOUNCER: The mother of the abandoned toddler now the focus of an intense manhunt, and how one man caught on tape could leave a 3- year-old.
He was living a quiet existence in the suburbs until police arrested him for murder, rape, kidnapping and robbery 45 years later. How a stone cold case could finally be solved.
And now there are three.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I can't tell you how moved I am by each of you.
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ANNOUNCER: We'll meet the man Trista (ph) sent packing.
And our "`Person of the Day" says thanks, but no thanks.
This is CONNIE CHUNG TONIGHT. From the CNN broadcast center in New York, Connie Chung.
CHUNG: Good evening. The mystery of the little boy once known only as Jacob has been replaced by another mystery: Where is his mother? Some in law enforcement are hinting there may have been a sinister twist. CNN's Thelma Gutierrez (ph) has the latest.
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THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): This is 42- year-old Lyle Montgomery, the man at the center of a national manhunt, led away in cuffs from his home in Reno, Nevada. The search for Montgomery began on Saturday, after surveillance cameras captured images of him leaving his 3-year-old stepson, Jacob Corpuz, at a department store in Salt Lake City. A former day care worker spotted the boy on television and called police.
Now that authorities have finally located Montgomery, the investigation's focused on the whereabouts of Jacob's mother, 28-year- old Jeanette Corpuz, Montgomery's wife.
CHIEF JERRY HOOVER, RENO POLICE DEPARTMENT: Evidence that we have discovered during the search warrant -- and again, I can't discuss what that evidence is, but it would certainly lead us to believe that there was foul play.
GUTIERREZ: The couple once lived in this home in Reno. Police say they had a history of domestic violence. In fact, he was scheduled to appear in court Thursday afternoon on six prior felony counts, including assault with a deadly weapon, willfully endangering a child and multiple weapons violations. Lyle Montgomery's attorney, Marc Picker, told CNN that while the couple may have had problems, his client is not a violent man and that his weapons are legally registered.
MARC PICKER, ATTORNEY FOR LYLE MONTGOMERY: Mr. Montgomery is a hard-working person. He owns a house. He is a licensed pharmacist. He is a law-abiding citizen.
GUTIERREZ: Picker said his client was taken to a local hospital Thursday after suffering a reaction from taking drugs and alcohol. Then he was involuntarily committed by doctors to this psychiatric hospital. Reno police say they are very concerned about Jeanette Corpuz. She hasn't been seen since January 13.
HOOVER: Anyone having contact with Jeanette Corpuz, Lyle Montgomery or seen Lyle's 2002 Chevy pick-up since January 21, if they would please contact either the Reno Police Department or the FBI.
GUTIERREZ: Thelma Gutierrez, CNN, Reno, Nevada.
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CHUNG: Joining me now from Reno, Nevada, is Marc Picker, attorney for Lyle Montgomery.
Thank you, Mr. Picker for being with us.
PICKER: Good evening.
CHUNG: Sir, have Reno police told you that your client, Lyle Montgomery, is a possible suspect in the disappearance of his wife?
PICKER: No. In fact, what they've told me is that they're investigating all leads, but they haven't decided whether he's a suspect in anything.
CHUNG: Does your client know where his wife is?
PICKER: Mr. Montgomery and I had a brief conversation this morning while he was in the hospital, and we weren't able to really discuss any of that. He wasn't really lucid at the time.
CHUNG: Do you know why he's in the hospital?
PICKER: He -- last night when the police came to his residence, they found him laying on the floor in a lethargic state. They took him to the police station, and it quickly became apparent to them that he was unable to answer questions or really even walk by himself. So after about an hour, they took him to the hospital, where he was treated. Apparently, he has an interaction between some prescription medicine and possibly some alcohol.
CHUNG: Had he taken sleeping pills and alcohol at the same time in a suicide attempt?
PICKER: I don't believe so.
CHUNG: Does he have any psychiatric problems? Because apparently he's been placed in the psychiatric ward of the hospital.
PICKER: Well, what's happened is he's been moved to a psychiatric hospital because the prescription drugs that he took have a long life within his system and they felt that it was better for him to be under observation at a psychiatric hospital that handles those kind of things, rather than in the emergency room or in a normal ward room in a regular hospital.
CHUNG: Do you know if your client had anything to do with his wife's disappearance?
PICKER: At this point, I have no knowledge that he had anything to do with that.
CHUNG: Do you know if his wife left voluntarily?
PICKER: My understanding from the Reno Police Department and talking to people there is that that's one of the leads they're following up, is that possibly Mrs. Montgomery left some time in the last two weeks voluntarily and moved away.
CHUNG: But according to police, they are treating this as even a homicide. I mean, she's a missing woman, but they are treating it much the same as they would a homicide. Have you been informed as to whether or not your client is cooperating with the police in that respect?
PICKER: Well, last night he was unable to cooperate with them because he really wasn't lucid. He really couldn't answer any questions. And since 8:15 this morning, he's been hospitalized at the psychiatric hospital on an involuntary commitment, so he really has not had an opportunity to meet with anybody or really talk to anybody.
CHUNG: Police have apparently found evidence in your client's apartment that would suggest foul play. Do you know what was found in there?
PICKER: No, I don't. They haven't informed me of that at all.
CHUNG: Apparently, your client had some weapons in his possession, in his apartment, including sawed-off shotguns. Do you know why he had those weapons in his apartment?
PICKER: Yes. Mr. Montgomery is a weapons collector. He had a number of things that normally are illegal firearms, but he had legal permits from the Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms Bureau to own those. He went through all the proper channels and he had all of the proper permits to own all those weapons, so they were legally in his possession.
CHUNG: The word we were getting was they were illegal sawed-off shotguns.
PICKER: Well, the problem is, is that there is such a thing as a legal sawed-off shotgun -- that being a shortened shotgun -- and he had one of those. But he also had a shotgun that was less than the legal limit. But if you have a permit from the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms, you can own a shotgun that is less than the legal limit, and that's what he had.
CHUNG: Do you know if your client has been charged with any offense?
PICKER: The only offense that he's been charged with regarding this incident, my understanding is, is that Salt Lake City Police Department has had him charged with a misdemeanor regarding some kind of child abandonment or endangerment.
CHUNG: Is your client the same man who was seen in the video taking that little boy into the store and leaving him there?
PICKER: I've watched that video. And having known Mr. Montgomery since October, I can identify him. I don't know that that's him on the video. I can't identify that person.
CHUNG: Has your client admitted that he is, indeed, that person who took his stepson to the store and left him there?
PICKER: Well, the discussion that I had with my client is privileged and so I can't reveal anything, but I have no information to suggest that that was him.
CHUNG: You said you've known your client since October, you said?
PICKER: That's correct.
CHUNG: Why do you believe that he's a fine, upstanding citizen, which is what you have told someone?
PICKER: Mr. Montgomery formerly was a firearms dealer, licensed by the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. You have to go through a procedure to get that license, which he did so. He also went through all of the proper procedures to own weapons, and he followed all the laws and all the rules. He's a licensed pharmacist within the state of Nevada. He had to go through the licensing procedure to do that. He has a job. He's a steady worker. He owns a residence here in town. He's never been in trouble with the law.
CHUNG: He was arrested in October, accused of assault with a deadly weapon. And apparently according to police, he held a gun to his wife's head while the child -- in the child's presence.
PICKER: That's the allegation that Mrs. Montgomery made. Of course, that's before Mrs. Montgomery and Mr. Montgomery were married. She made those allegations in October of last year. She disappeared for two months and didn't show up for court appearances and had no contact with the district attorney's office. When she finally did make contact with them, she told them she would cooperate. But then two weeks later, she came back to Reno and got together with Mr. Montgomery and married him.
CHUNG: But according to...
PICKER: And that was just a month ago.
CHUNG: But according to police reports, she was about to leave with her son, and that's when her fiance, at the time, put a gun to her head.
PICKER: Actually, what had happened is Mr. Montgomery and Ms. Snyder, at the time, had broken up because Mr. Montgomery broke off the engagement. And she was leaving, and he had no objection to that. What the argument was, was that was she had broken into his house by kicking in the front doors and was taking some of his personal property. They got into an argument. She then called the police and made these allegations, which we have contested.
CHUNG: Now, the police said that he was planning to get a divorce from his wife, and she was possibly moving to Reading (ph), California. He was going to take her there. Do you know anything about them getting a divorce and moving?
PICKER: No, I don't, although I have heard that she had -- that she had moved some time in the last week to Reading.
CHUNG: Is your client a violent person?
PICKER: No. He's absolutely not a violent person and has no history of it.
CHUNG: Thank you so much for being with us, Marc Picker.
PICKER: You're welcome.
Last night, we asked Carol Sisco, spokesperson for the Utah Department of Human Services, to tell us about how Jacob was doing, and we've got her back now with us for an update.
Carol, thank you so much for joining us again.
CAROL SISCO, SPOKESPERSON, UTAH DEPT. OF HUMAN SVCS.: Glad to join you.
CHUNG: How's he doing?
SISCO: He's doing remarkably well still, considering all he's gone through in the last few days. He's still -- you know, obviously, he's sad. He misses Mommy. He wonders where she is. He wants to see Mommy. But he's getting very close to his foster mom. He clings to her. He trusts her, and so, you know, he sits on her lap. He holds her hand. He spends a lot of time with her. He's still playing with his -- you know, with his foster brother. Considering everything he's gone through, he's doing really well.
CHUNG: And I remember you told us yesterday that his foster mother put a mattress next to her, so that he could sleep there. Is he still clinging to her, in that respect?
SISCO: Yes, he is.
CHUNG: All right. Carol, I understand that his biological father has been located. Did he talk to him on the phone? Did the biological father talk to the boy on the phone?
SISCO: We arranged a call last night, so that he was -- and his dad was on the phone talking to him. Jacob just listened. Then his close friend, RJ, got on the phone. And there again, he just listened for a few minutes.
CHUNG: Were you able to determine if Jacob knows his biological father well?
SISCO: You know, I really don't know how well he knows him. I know that he does know him. And I'm not certain how long it's been since he had seen him.
CHUNG: Carol, now that his stepfather, Lyle Montgomery, has been questioned by police, I'm wondering -- and I'm sure many people out there are wondering -- have the police shown Jacob a picture of Lyle Montgomery and asked him, Is this the man who brought you to the store and left you there?
SISCO: That's something you would need to ask the police.
CHUNG: Do you have any idea if the police have gone to the foster mother's home to find -- to talk to the boy again?
SISCO: I know that they have interviewed him. Normally, in Utah -- we have a facility called the Children's Justice Center, and we always take children there to be interviewed.
CHUNG: All right. How is he doing in terms of eating? I know it's always hard to feed a child who's 3 years old because they get very finicky anyway. SISCO: Yes. He was -- he was -- he's eating pretty lightly. Last night, my boss went out and spent two or three hours with him, just to see how he was. And Richard said, Well, Jacob, what would you like to eat? And his answer was, I like kitty-cats.
CHUNG: Oh, dear.
SISCO: And -- well, it turned out it was OK, Connie. And Richard said, Oh, does that mean you have a cat? And Jacob said no, and looked at him like he was nuts. Well, it turns out Jacob loves Kit-Kat candy bars.
CHUNG: Got it. That's why I was actually saying, Oh, dear, Carol, because I know it's candy!
(LAUGHTER)
CHUNG: But he -- that's what he wanted?
SISCO: Yes. I think the foster -- the stepmom said -- or foster mom -- I'm getting my terms mixed up -- said something about, Well, Jacob likes pizza. And Jacob started saying, I want pizza. I want pizza. So he is eating, not a lot, but -- you know, he's just an amazing little boy.
CHUNG: Yes, he certainly is. Well, my son likes Kit-Kats, too. Thank you...
SISCO: Well, you know, I like them too, but...
(LAUGHTER)
CHUNG: All right. Carol Sisco, thank you so much. And I know you all are going to take good care of this little boy.
SISCO: We will. Thank you, Connie.
CHUNG: Still ahead: the trial of the woman accused of running over her cheating husband. The prosecution rests. How persuasive was the argument? Stay with us.
ANNOUNCER: Coming up: after nearly a half century, a break in an unsolved murder and the arrest of a man who was living with a deadly secret for decades.
CONNIE CHUNG TONIGHT returns in a moment.
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CHUNG: An incredible story of a murder case that had gone very, very cold and suddenly has come back to life. Has the law caught up to a gunman who robbed two young couples, raped one young woman and then left two cops to die on a California street 45 years ago? CNN's Frank Buckley has the astounding story of how a single clue from 1957 led to a stunning arrest in 2003.
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FRANK BUCKLEY, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): It happened during a routine traffic stop 45 years ago, when officers Richard Phillips and Milton Curtis pulled over a 1949 Ford.
JACK WYATT, EL SEGUNDO POLICE CHIEF: What they did not know at the time was that the driver had just committed a robbery, rape and kidnapping in the city of Hawthorne (ph).
BUCKLEY: Of teenagers on a lovers' lane. But before Phillips and Curtis could make the connection, police say, the driver of the car shot both officers to death. It was a crime that shocked a community and gained national notoriety. "True Detective" profiled the case of the cop killer. But as the years went by and the quiet lovers' lane turned into this busy urban thoroughfare, the case went cold.
JOSEPH BOOTERBAUGH, FORMER EL SEGUNDO POLICE OFFICER : It haunted us for years, for years.
CAPT. FRANK MERRIMAN, L.A. COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT: Well, we have boxes containing the files.
BUCKLEY: But it was never forgotten, says LA County sheriff's homicide captain Frank Merriman.
MERRIMAN: We have sketches and composites.
BUCKLEY: Merriman showed us the boxes of material that had remained in storage.
MERRIMAN: ... that cover all of the over 3,000 clues, all of the over 400 guns that have been cleared, all of the suspects that have been brought in and eliminated over the course of 45-and-a-half years.
BUCKLEY: And there were fingerprints from that 1949 Ford, but detectives working the case back then could never find a match. It was a time-consuming, manual process of physically matching one print to another. But then last year, an FBI database of fingerprints from across the U.S. came on line, and detectives weren't even born at the time Phillips and Curtis were killed made a match.
MERRIMAN: That is what broke this case. It gave us a focus and gave us a place to look. Without that, we had nothing.
BUCKLEY: Now the detectives did have something, and it led them here, to this comfortable Colombia, South Carolina, retirement community, to the home of 68-year-old Gerald Mason, who appeared in court 45 years after authorities allege he killed two police officers.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Mason, are you represented today by attorney?
GERALD MASON: Yes, sir.
BUCKLEY: The grandfather, the man neighbors and friends know as a neighborhood helper and a fantastic bowler, left all of them in shock.
OSCAR PEELER, MASON'S FRIEND: I can't imagine him doing anything like that. He's just so kind and helpful and thoughtful.
BUCKLEY: Mason's brother denied the allegations.
MURRAY MASON, MASON'S BROTHER: Nobody believes anything.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Nobody believes any of this?
MURRAY MASON: This is ridiculous.
BUCKLEY: Mason is fighting extradition. Detectives are convinced he committed the crime, and LA's law enforcement community came together in El Segundo to say the search for any cop killer is never over.
MERRIMAN: When it comes to killing a police officer, we don't forgive, we don't forget, we don't give up.
BUCKLEY: Frank Buckley, CNN, Los Angeles.
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CHUNG: Joining us now from Los Angeles, Captain Frank Merriman of the county sheriff's office.
Thank you, sir, for being with us. We appreciate it.
MERRIMAN: Well, thank you.
CHUNG: Now, I know you oversaw this case, but not in 1957. You weren't around there at the time. Essentially, this case was a cold case, wasn't it? It went unsolved for all those years.
MERRIMAN: Yes, it did. The leads were worked seriously by many agencies for two years after this case began almost night and day. They eliminated suspects throughout the country. They eliminated firearms throughout the country. In 1960, the murder weapon and some jewelry that was stolen was discovered in a backyard in Manhattan Beach, which revived interest in the case a little bit more, and then the case went dormant pretty much. The leads were exhausted, and we had not found the suspect until September of last year.
CHUNG: And then although a tip came along which caused you to reopen the case, it didn't work out. But what happened was you actually did pursue the database. You checked fingerprints. If that tip had not come along, would you have checked the database?
MERRIMAN: If the tip had not come along this, case probably wouldn't have been examined for another couple, three years, at least. Several of our unsolved cases are solved just like that, where a phone call comes in, the investigators then review the whole case file, track that clue to its conclusion, whether it be a good clue, or in this case, where it turned out not to be the right clue, but it caused us to look at the case and submit those fingerprints to a new database that just came on line in February of last year. And that allowed us to get the break in this case, to match those fingerprints with those of the suspect.
CHUNG: Now, when U.S. marshals, when all the authorities, knocked on Gerald Mason's door, what was his reaction?
MERRIMAN: My understanding from talking to the investigators at the scene was that he was quite stunned, as was his wife. And that's understandable because he has gotten away with this for 45-and-a-half years.
CHUNG: He's been married for 40 years. Is it your impression that his wife knew nothing about this alleged crime?
MERRIMAN: At this point that's our belief. We don't believe she knew anything about this at all.
CHUNG: Couldn't it be a case of mistaken identity, Captain?
MERRIMAN: We feel so strongly about this case that we took it to the district attorney. We have filed charges, and we sought a warrant for this man's arrest. We are quite confident we have the right man.
CHUNG: But indeed, if he is the alleged killer, he has lived a spotless life, has he not?
MERRIMAN: Yes, he has. However, that does not excuse the crime he committed, you know, 45 years ago. And those two officers that were in their 20s, of course, have not had any life for the past 45 years.
CHUNG: So you are certain that this is the man?
MERRIMAN: We are quite confident this is the man, yes, ma'am.
CHUNG: Do you feel that it will be harder for the prosecution to prove that he is the killer because all these years have passed?
MERRIMAN: It is our belief that this case will be successfully prosecuted. And you're quite correct, it will be more difficult to prosecute because of the age of the case. All of our witnesses are older. A lot of time has gone by, and there are a lot of issues. However, I'm confident and the district attorney that's assigned to this case is quite confident that this will be successfully prosecuted.
CHUNG: Captain, if, indeed, this man is the killer, isn't it quite unusual that if, indeed, he got married, became a father, a grandfather and did not commit any crime even coming remotely close to this case in 1957 for all those years?
MERRIMAN: It's quite remarkable. However, I would doubt that it's unheard of. It's just that we don't know of a lot of people that have committed crimes and have never been caught. It is definitely a long time, though.
CHUNG: All right. Captain Merriman, I thank you so much for being with us. We appreciate it.
Right now, a new development in the war on terror tops tonight's look at "The World in 60."
Richard Reid was sentenced to life in prison for trying to blow up an airliner with explosives hidden in his shoes. Reid, a British citizen and admitted member of al Qaeda, pleaded guilty to charges last October.
Leaders of eight European nations issued a joint declaration of solidarity with the U.S. in its campaign against Iraq. France and Germany did not sign the letter, which was published in European newspapers.
In South Africa, a very different response. Nelson Mandela, the former president and Nobel Peace Prize winner, said President Bush is plunging the world into a, quote, "holocaust because he wants to control Iraqi oil."
Sources tell CNN that next week, Secretary of State Colin Powell will show the U.N. Security Council satellite photos of Iraqis clearing out sites before the arrival of U.N. inspectors to demonstrate Iraq is hiding weapons of mass destruction.
The Bush administration designated a Pakistani radical Islamic group as a foreign terrorist organization. The U.S. says the group was involved in the kidnapping and murder of journalist Daniel Pearl last year.
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CHUNG: Seventeen-year-old Lindsey Harris not only saw the car that struck and killed her father last year. She was in it. And, as she testified in court, she was begging her stepmother, who was at the wheel, to stop.
Clara Harris faces life in prison if convicted of murdering her unfaithful husband, David Harris. But she could get a lighter sentence if the jury finds that she acted in a sudden passion.
CNN's Ed Lavandera has been covering the trial and joins us now from Houston to fill us in on the prosecution's case and today's wrangling.
Ed, I understand that the prosecution rested its case. Is it a fairly solid case, would you say?
ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the prosecution would like to think so, although the defense will now have its chance to attack the holes that they see in that.
And the jury was not in the courtroom today. What we saw today in the courtroom here in Houston were the attorneys debating over the quality of the defense's expert witness, an accident reconstructionist who will have, who will testify that David Harris, Clara's husband, was hit only one time. This goes to the heart of what the defense is going to try to prove in its case, that Clara Harris hit David Harris one time and that was it, although the prosecutors have put on evidence that David Harris was hit at least twice.
That's what a pathologist said. And Lindsey Harris, as you heard yesterday, saying that she remembered David Harris being hit three times. And this goes to the heart of what, as you just mentioned, Connie, that, if they can prove that it was only once, it's a lot easier for them to prove that it wasn't something she deliberately did.
CHUNG: As you told us yesterday, Lindsey Harris' testimony was really quite devastating, quite damaging to the defendant, Clara Harris. What is the fallout from her testimony, do you think?
LAVANDERA: Well, it's going to be very important for the defense attorneys in this situation to put on testimony.
They will call fact witnesses. They will call into question all of the witnesses, whether or not they saw exactly what they saw really was in fact. And that's why they're hoping that this defense expert, if they testify -- this defense expert was supposed to have a videotaped reconstruction of the accident that happened. The judge will not allow that evidence to be put into court.
But they're hoping that this defense expert will be able to contradict some of what Lindsey Harris has said. They believe it's that powerful, although outside, when they came out of the courthouse yesterday, they said that they didn't think it was as damaging as they had expected it to be.
CHUNG: Now, Lindsey Harris' stepfather spoke with reporters today, really interesting thing he had to say. Tell us about that.
LAVANDERA: Well, this is an interesting situation that's developed.
In part of the questioning that took place while Lindsey Harris was on the witness stand, the defense attorney brought up the fact that she has a wrongful death lawsuit failed against Clara Harris. Now, Clara Harris is the sole beneficiary of David Harris' life insurance policy. So, the defense attorney is making the suggestion out there that perhaps Lindsey Harris is testifying against her stepmother because of the money that might be involved.
Her attorneys came out today to clear up what they think is some misinformation out there that it is not only Lindsey Harris, but her twin brothers, the children that David and Clara had, that they also stand to benefit from this as well. So, they want to clear up the fact that this isn't something that Lindsey's trying to do for the money.
Just outside the courthouse today, her stepfather spoke very briefly with reporters.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JIM SHANK, STEPFATHER OF LINDSEY HARRIS: The situation was between three adults. And Lindsey should not have been put in the middle. We feel that Clara was wrong in her actions and for involving our daughter. We will not be satisfied until justice is served.
It does not matter how angry you get. You do not have the right to kill anyone for any reason, especially in front of their innocent child.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
LAVANDERA: Connie, the defense team here will begin presenting its case on Friday. And they expect it to last several days. So, this trial is expected to last probably at least another week -- Connie.
CHUNG: Do you think that Clara Harris is going to take the stand? Have the defense lawyers given any indication?
LAVANDERA: I just asked defense attorney George Parnham that. He says he hasn't come to that decision yet, although he did tell me that Gail Bridges, David Harris' mistress, that he does have plans to call her as a witness. But when exactly that might happen, he's not exactly sure yet. It depends on when this expert witness will be able to testify.
CHUNG: Oh, fascinating. We have no idea of what she's going to say.
Ed Lavandera in Houston, thank you.
And joining me now is our legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin.
Jeffrey, Ed mentioned something that maybe we need some help with here, that the court was discussing today -- no testimony -- was discussing today this accident expert. Why? And what would be the purpose?
JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: Basically, the way the law is now is that, when there's an expert witness, the judge has to make a preliminary determination of whether the expert is credible at all, whether he's -- to exclude him if he's simply wacky, if he has no scientific basis for what he's testifying. And accident reconstruction is a common for witnesses to testify in.
CHUNG: It's legitimate?
TOOBIN: Often legitimate, although it's often controversial.
And what the defense is trying to do here, very important, is, based on skid marks, based on the injuries to David Harris, based on all the evidence, this reconstruction expert will say, he was hit only once, not three times, very important if you're trying to argue that this was just an accident.
CHUNG: Now, Clara Harris is hoping, no doubt, and her defense attorneys are hoping that they can put forth a defense that ties in something called sudden passion.
TOOBIN: Right.
CHUNG: Because that would limit her culpability?
TOOBIN: It would limit her sentence dramatically.
Intentional murder, she's looking at up to life in prison if she's convicted of the top charge. If she's convicted of murder with sudden passion, she could get as little as five years, maybe even probation. It's a very, very much lesser charge. It's not as good as being acquitted, but it's dramatically better than a conviction for murder.
CHUNG: Now, Lindsey Harris, the stepdaughter, had so many key quotes that she attributed to her stepmom. And they were very damaging, weren't they?
TOOBIN: Totally, totally damaging.
The jury -- it's going to be so hard to convince the jury that this girl, 17-year-old girl, was lying, was mistaken. She saw -- she was in the murder weapon, this Mercedes. And I don't care what this expert says. If this jury says this girl is telling the truth, Clara Harris is in big, big trouble.
CHUNG: Well, the quotes are something like: I could kill him and get away with it and I'm going to hit him.
TOOBIN: It's almost a perfect government witness, because it shows premeditation. It shows an absence of passion. It shows calculation. It shows thinking out the process of the legal system, saying you could get away with it. If the jury believes the 17-year- old girl, Clara Harris is going to get convicted.
CHUNG: So, if you were defending Clara Harris, what would you do?
TOOBIN: Well, I think the accident-reconstruction expert is an excellent idea to try to raise the passion issue.
And I think there's a subtext here that's very important, which is really to get the jury to hate the victim and to talk about his extramarital affair, to talk about how he was sort of flaunting it in front of his entire family, his wife, his daughter, and get the jury so unsympathetic to the victim that they're looking to cut the defendant a break, even if it's just to convict to a lesser count. But that's a heck of a lot better than being convicted of murder.
CHUNG: All right.
And, finally, Jeffrey, would you put Clara Harris on the stand? Not that you know her and know what she might do, but...
TOOBIN: I think this is a very good time. Usually, you don't put the defendant on the stand. But here you have someone who doesn't have a criminal record, so they can't be impeached. There is something sympathetic about a woman who's been wronged in this way. And if she can cut a sympathetic figure and talk about the passion, talk about how she wanted to keep her family together and she had these twins with this guy, to generate a certain amount of sympathy, this strikes me as a textbook case of the kind of situation where you want to put the defendant on the stand.
CHUNG: Jeffrey, we were just looking at pictures of her when she had blond hair. She had actually dyed her hair blond, because, apparently, the story is, is that she was trying to change her appearance for him.
TOOBIN: To win her husband back.
It's sad. It's really sad. There's a lot sympathetic about Clara Harris' story. But if you run over a guy three times in a parking lot, I don't care how sympathetic you are. You just can't do that. And so it is going to be tough for the defense, but I think they've got to put her on the stand.
CHUNG: Jeffrey, thank you.
Next: For the for the time, a man who says he was abused by a disgraced Boston priest speaks out.
Stay with us.
ANNOUNCER: Still ahead: She's in the driver's seat now.
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TRISTA REHN: My gut is leading me in the right direction.
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ANNOUNCER: "The Bachelorette" leaves another man scorned. We'll meet him -- when CONNIE CHUNG TONIGHT returns.
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CHUNG: A criminal investigation is under way in California tonight of the Reverend Paul Shanley, the disgraced Boston priest. A young man is accusing Shanley of abuse more than a decade ago.
CNN's Brian Cabell has the story and the alleged victim's first television interview.
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KEVIN ENGLISH, ALLEGED PRIEST SEXUAL ABUSE VICTIM: In my life, I feel it's a healing process.
BRIAN CABELL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Kevin English says it happened almost 13 years ago, when he was a confused youngster of 17, wondering about his sexuality and searching for answers from the Catholic Church.
English claims that Reverend Paul Shanley visited his church in Big Bear, California, on Easter Sunday in 1990, befriended the youngster and escorted him to the rectory.
ENGLISH: Well, then he started manipulating me and engaged me in a sexual act.
CABELL (on camera): And what were you thinking at this point?
ENGLISH: I don't know. I was curious. And I thought he was helping me and he was a priest. So I went along with what he was doing.
CABELL: Was this your first sexual experience?
ENGLISH: Yes. I was a virgin to that point.
CABELL (voice-over): Shanley had just been transferred from Boston to the San Bernardino, California, Diocese on a medical leave of absence. He worked part-time at St. Ann's Church. And diocese officials were assured that he had an impeccable record.
In a letter from the archdiocese obtained by CNN, Cardinal Bernard Law had signed off on the transfer. Reverend Robert Banks of the Boston Archdiocese had written that, "Father Shanley has no problem that would be a concern to your diocese."
REV. HOWARD LINCOLN, SPOKESMAN, SAN BERNARDINO DIOCESE: At that time in 1990, a letter from a bishop was sufficient. However, in addition to that, we received from Father Shanley in August of 1991 an affidavit of responsibility in which he signed a statement, under penalty of perjury, that he had never even been accused of sexual molestation of children.
CABELL: As it turns out, of course, the Archdiocese of Boston had an extensive record on Shanley's alleged misconduct by that point. And Kevin English says he became the next of Shanley's alleged victims.
Shanley, he claims, invited him to his residence at a gay resort in Palm Springs. There, out by the pool, English says, he saw men engaging in sex.
ENGLISH: And Father Paul condoned all this. He said it was healthy and it was good for you and that it was something that people should do.
CABELL (on camera): What were you thinking when he said that?
ENGLISH: I don't know. I just went along with him.
CABELL: So you engaged in it, too?
ENGLISH: Yes.
CABELL: Because he told you it was all right?
ENGLISH: Yes. He told me it would make my life better.
CABELL (voice-over): His attorney says English has been treated for psychological problems since he was a teenager.
WILLIAM LIGHT, ATTORNEY FOR ENGLISH: You're talking, I think, about a young man who really didn't have a lot of judgment of his own. He was somebody who could be easily led and easily manipulated.
CABELL: According to a lawsuit filed by English, the sexual relationship between him and Shanley, who was about 40 years older, lasted for three years. Then Shanley moved away and English says they talked occasionally by phone, with Shanley dispensing advice to the young man.
ENGLISH: He never talked theology. He didn't like to talk about religion.
CABELL (on camera): Did that strike you as strange?
ENGLISH: Yes.
CABELL: A priest who doesn't like to talk about religion?
ENGLISH: I thought it was strange. Then he would say: I don't worry about your soul, Kevin, so we don't need to talk about religion.
CABELL (voice-over): Father Shanley, through his attorney, denies English's account of their relationship. There was not, according to the attorney, ever any ever impropriety between the priest and the young man.
Kevin English believes otherwise and, after all these years, says he's still confused and distrustful. He is suing Shanley and the church in Boston and San Bernardino, seeking monetary damages.
LINCOLN: We feel very, very badly for Kevin, truly, very badly for him. We wish him the very, very best in his life.
But we do not feel responsible for whatever transpired with Kevin and Father Shanley.
CABELL (on camera): Why?
LINCOLN: Because we had no evidence whatsoever, no indications at all that Father Shanley was engaging in sexual misconduct.
CABELL (voice-over): Archdiocese officials in Boston declined to conduct about the civil lawsuit.
(on camera): California authorities are now investigating English's charges against Father Shanley. But, for the foreseeable future, it appears that Shanley will remain in Massachusetts, where dozens of young men have filed lawsuits against him, men whose own stories seem to have much in common with the story of Kevin English. Brian Cabell, CNN.
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CHUNG: Still ahead: a stunning secret revealed from one of history's most famous love stories.
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CHUNG: Did you see the scandalous case of discrimination on "The Bachelorette"? In last night's show, the guy from New York was booted because he has a small apartment. Hey, everybody in New York has a small apartment.
Still, Greg Todtman did his best to win the babe over. He even tried to win her hand with a song.
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GREG TODTMAN, ELIMINATED FROM "THE BACHELORETTE" (singing): Well, I didn't know I'd ever find a girl who smiles as sweet as you well.
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CHUNG: Well, "The Bachelorette" decided not to be with him, but we asked him to join us tonight.
Thank you, Greg, for coming.
TODTMAN: Hi. Nice to meet you.
CHUNG: Appreciate it.
You know what? She's got to be a princess, you know, if she didn't like her apartment. I mean, come on, in New York, this is the size of most apartments.
TODTMAN: I guess people who are coming in from an out-of-town point of view, well, at least in this case, it definitely made an impact.
CHUNG: I'm looking at it. It is actually a little messy. You can't tell on television, though, because dirt doesn't show on television, right? But it was messy, wasn't it? Oh, she looks really out of it. She looks unhappy.
TODTMAN: Oh, boy, there it is.
CHUNG: What's that thing under the towel?
TODTMAN: It's probably just some horrible -- there it is.
CHUNG: Oh, my gosh. Greg, Greg, Greg.
TODTMAN: Oh, man. Look at her. She knows. She knows it's over right there.
CHUNG: Yes. And how about you?
TODTMAN: I think maybe -- I wasn't quite sure. I didn't actually see her reaction until I saw it last night on TV with my friends sitting there. So, we were on the floor laughing. We were actually sitting in the apartment. We look around. We're like, yes, we understand.
No, but the truth was what you didn't see on camera -- well, you did, actually, in that one little corner -- there just so much clutter in this one little part. And she must have seen it and just said, I don't know anymore.
CHUNG: Greg, I don't know. What do you think went wrong? Because she actually did that say she was attracted to you physically early on.
TODTMAN: Well, aside from the apartment thing that went on.
CHUNG: The disaster.
TODTMAN: The disaster, I would put it.
I think a couple of times, I told her off camera that I felt that I didn't know how I was going to react when I got to the show and you have this crazy -- pretty much a circus environment for what you're trying to do.
CHUNG: Right.
TODTMAN: And then I think I just -- I realized, especially after the date, or at least towards the middle of the date, that I really just wasn't so suited for that environment for meeting somebody, with cameras everywhere.
CHUNG: You mean with cameras all around?
(LAUGHTER)
TODTMAN: The whole -- it wasn't the most natural place to be. And I guess that was really important to me. And she knew it. And I think we both knew going in that it was just probably better to end it as friends as it was. And I told her, it would have been nice to meet here in real life. But what can you do?
CHUNG: You weren't taking it seriously, were you? Come on.
TODTMAN: I definitely went in with an open mind. She was a terrific woman. I'm going to be honest with you. And if it went over well, I think I could have definitely fallen, just like with anybody else I meet. But, in this case, it just the right -- like I said, it was the right way to end it.
CHUNG: OK.
For anybody else out there who wants to meet you, I was reading your bio. You said your occupation is importation?
TODTMAN: Yes.
CHUNG: What the heck is that?
(LAUGHTER)
TODTMAN: I used to work in Guam in a Club Med right out of college.
CHUNG: Yes?
TODTMAN: So right from there, I went to Bali for vacation. I was supposed to stay for about a week. And I ended up...
CHUNG: So you import drugs?
(LAUGHTER)
TODTMAN: It's mostly opium, but I don't like to talk about it on the air.
CHUNG: OK.
(LAUGHTER)
TODTMAN: Actually, I just fell in love with Bali so much that I think I ended up staying for about two months or a month and a half. And I ended up buying the whole country up, it seems. I just took these three credit cards and swiped them through. And I just took a shot and I started this business. And it worked out.
CHUNG: So, now you move on. And have you seen the other guys, the other rejects?
TODTMAN: I haven't seen the other rejects as of yet. But we're going to get together for the reunion, which should be terrific. But we've been keeping in touch on the e-mail and on the phone. So, they're just a great bunch of guys. We really made friends when we were there.
CHUNG: You all really like each other, don't you?
TODTMAN: Yes, we really did. It was awesome.
CHUNG: Do you think you're going to get together a few times?
TODTMAN: I think so. I think we might actually make it out to someone's place or another, depending on who wants to host. But we're definitely going to keep it going.
CHUNG: Greg Todtman, thank you so much for being with us.
TODTMAN: Thank you.
CHUNG: I hope you find somebody. TODTMAN: I hope so, too.
CHUNG: We were just speaking of love and rejection, 21st century showbiz style. Tonight's "Snapshot" has news about a slightly more famous courtship.
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(voice-over): Britain's King Edward VIII gave up his thrown to marry American divorcee Wallis Simpson. But, apparently, during their courtship, Simpson had other interests. According to just-released British government files, Simpson had a secret affair while courting the future king.
Actor Matt Damon goes undercover again for his next movie, "The Informant." According to "Variety," the role will reunite him with Oscar-winning director Steven Soderbergh.
No charges were filed, but police were back at O.J. Simpson's Florida home. His 17-year-old daughter called authorities after she and her father got into an argument.
Reality TV will soon get some Magic. Basketball legend Magic Johnson is shooting for a series with street basketball players competing for fame and $100,000. "Who's Got Game?" is set to air this summer.
The Oakland Raiders were missing a key player on Super Bowl Sunday. All-pro center Barrett Robbins was in the hospital being treated for depression, a condition he's battled for years.
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CHUNG: Tonight, a film legend's reason for turning down an honor is reason enough for us to make him our "Person of the Day." Peter O'Toole, first nominated for "Lawrence Of Arabia," asked the Academy of Motion Pictures Arts and Sciences not to give him an honorary Oscar in March.
Why? The 70-year-old actor, nominated seven times, but never a winner, wrote that he is -- quote -- "still in the game and might yet win the lovely bugger outright." The academy responded that the honorary award doesn't put him out of the running. Henry Fonda and Paul Newman both won after getting honorary Oscars. O'Toole, however, asked that the academy defer his honor until he's 80.
The reply? The academy will give it to O'Toole whenever he shows up to claim it. Until then, we can only hope that Hollywood gives him roles worthy of an Oscar and worthy of the talent of Peter O'Toole, our "Person of the Day."
And tomorrow: CNN's Christiane Amanpour with her exclusive interview with British Prime Minister Tony Blair, as he flies to Camp David to meet with President Bush. And coming up next on "LARRY KING LIVE," Larry talks with legendary radio personality Paul Harvey.
Thank you so much for joining us. And for all of us at CNN, good night and we'll see you tomorrow.
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