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In First Mass, Pope Leo Calls On Priesthood To Show Humility; Attorney Says, Tufts Student Released After Six Weeks In Detention; Controversy Over Lt. Gov. Nominee Splinters Virginia Republicans; Flurry Of Civil Cases Await Sean Combs After His Criminal Trial. Aired 6-7p ET

Aired May 09, 2025 - 18:00   ET

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PHIL MATTINGLY, CNN HOST: Welcome to the Lead. I'm Phil Mattingly in for Jake Tapper.

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This hour, Pope Leo wraps up his first full day on the job with a message not just to other Catholic leaders but to people around the world. CNN's Erin Burnett just sat down with one of the cardinals who voted in the historic Conclave and she joins us live just moments.

Plus, a judge today ordering the immediate release of a doctoral student whose detainment by immigration authorities was caught on camera. We're standing by for her release and her lawyer joins us live.

Also, our small business series takes us to the largest baby store in Michigan where the owners say, not only are the prices on essential goods already going up, but parents are increasingly worried they won't be able to afford what their babies need.

And the final steps of jury selection and the trial of Sean Diddy Combs were delayed today over concerns that prospective jurors could get cold feet before opening statements. Those scheduled to start on Monday. So, how and when will the jurors be chosen?

Our Lead Tonight, nearly 1.5 billion Catholics woke up with a new leader today. Before yesterday, he was an official of the Catholic Church. Many just knew him as Bob. Now, Pope Leo XIV is setting the tone for his papacy with a homily this morning that began in English and ended with a clear reminder to all those in power in the Catholic Church stay humble, show humility and, quote, move aside so that Christ may remain.

CNN's Erin Burnett is right outside St. Peter's Square. Erin, you've been talking to pretty much everybody in the better part of the last several days. What's the latest right now?

ERIN BURNETT, CNN HOST: You know, obviously it's late on a Friday night now. There's a new pope deciding where he's going to live, big decisions to be made. But we did have a chance today late this afternoon to meet with the American cardinals. And, Phil, actually, they were scheduled yesterday to speak after the Conclave if there had been a pope, and they canceled that, I think, because like everyone, they had to have a chance to realize what had just happened, right, with history being made.

So, the seven of them spoke today and they talked about how they felt. I thought it was so interesting. Cardinal Tobin, who clearly seemed to be a supporter of Pope Leo's in the Conclave, sense of the word, the cardinal from Newark, he said, after I voted, talking about being in the Sistine Chapel, so just think about this, Phil. After I voted, I took a look at Bob, his friend, Bob, right now, Pope Leo XIV. After I voted, I took a look at Bob and his head was in his hands. Just a profound and poignant moment to think of that, that these are human beings, these are their friends, and yet we are in this unprecedented moment.

And Cardinal Dolan, perhaps the most well-known cardinal in the United States, told me today about when, Phil, he says he knew that Robert Prevost was going to become the pope.

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BURNETT: So, you know, we were hearing, okay, it's going to be Parolin, it's going to be Tagle, Prevost seen as possible, but a long shot, sort of one of those things we'd cover in American media, because we'll talk about a possibility of an American pope. But people didn't take it seriously.

CARDINAL TIMOTHY DOLAN, NEW YORK: Sure.

BURNETT: At what point did you realize this was going to happen?

DOLAN: Now, look, I'm not surprised to hear you say that because I felt the same. You know, I had heard about Robert Francis Prevost. I knew of him, but I thought, eh, one of the peripheral guys. Now, I've been around long enough to know that the Italian axiom, he who goes in pope comes out a cardinal, is accurate. So, you you're not just thinking of the ones reported in the morning line. So, I was open to anybody, but I didn't kind of really zero in on them until you asked me when.

BURNETT: Yes.

DOLAN: When I showed up at the congregation meetings, the Wednesday morning after the funeral of the pope is when I arrived from New York, went to the congregation meetings. And immediately people began to ask me, (INAUDIBLE).

BURNETT: So, they were asking you about him?

DOLAN: And I said, I'm sorry, I wish I could help. They kind of thought naturally because he had been born in the United States, we would be familiar with him. All I could say is, I sure know of him and what I know is pretty stellar, but I don't know him.

That continued, Erin. That continued until after two or three days. I said, Dolan, you better get to know this guy. And as I went up to a lot of guys and a lot of guys came up to me just wanting to know you better and to pick your brain. So, I got to know him. By the time I went in, I felt I did know him.

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BURNETT: I mean, isn't that incredible? You know, Cardinal Dolan saying, you know, the minute he landed that many of the cardinals from other countries started asking him immediately about Bob, Robert Prevost, now Leo XIV, incredible to see how that came about.

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I mean, Phil, there are some reports in Italian media that it was Cardinal Dolan who eventually may have become the kingmaker in that Sistine Chapel. You know, one of the American cardinals was saying, well, he knew on day two things started to shift. You know, it appears that there really were the two frontrunners, provost and the Italian, Parolin. And then at some point, maybe Parolin encouraged his supporters to switch. Maybe someone like Dolan played a role in that encouragement. But he got over the finish line to get to this pope.

So, here we are, and one of the big questions now not only will be what role will he take, what issues will he take. Will he take on President Trump, for example, on issues of immigration, as he already has done as cardinal, but also where and how he will live here in the Vatican, you know, whether it's in the Apostolic Palace or whether he chooses a more austere quarters, like Pope Francis did. All of that's still unknown at this hour as we begin what could be a very long reign for this pope. He is young, Phil. He could be the pope for decades of our future. Back to you.

MATTINGLY: There is no limit to the amount of detail I want to learn about what happened in Conclave. Erin, you've been doing a sensational job. Thank you so much and I can't wait to see your interview, much more of your interview with Cardinal Dolan and coverage to the new pope live from Rome on Erin Burnett OutFront. That's coming up at the top of the hour at 7:00 Eastern right here after we wrap up on The Lead.

Well, it isn't just Cardinal Dolan we heard from today. A few other American cardinals provided fascinating insight into the first North American pope. Take a listen.

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CARDINAL ROBERT MCELROY, WASHINGTON, D.C.: I think the impact of him being an American was almost negligible in the deliberations of the of the Conclave, surprisingly so for me.

CARDINAL WILTON GREGORY, WASHINGTON, D.C., ARCHBISHOP EMERITUS: I didn't sense in the conversations that I had with the other cardinals of the world that the Conclave was seen as a continuation of the American political election.

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MATTINGLY: CNN's Vatican Correspondent Christopher Lamb is also near the Vatican. And is the reason I knew who Pope Leo was going into this. because you had him on a list when nobody else believed it was possible. What stood out to you as you've listened to reflections on Conclave today?

CHRISTOPHER LAMB, CNN VATICAN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Phil, what was interesting to me was that speaking and hearing from the U.S. cardinals, they said that Cardinal Prevost, now Pope Leo XIV, did not give a compelling speech in the run-up to the Conclave during the meetings that the cardinals had, but that he clearly had won people over just by his manner, just by who he was. And I think it was obvious to me that a lot of cardinals had identified Pope Leo quite a long time before they went into the Sistine Chapel as a potential pope, as a potential leader.

He didn't wow them with a great speech, as Pope Francis had done in 2013, when he went into the Sistine Chapel and was elected, but he seemed to have won them over with his style, with his manner. And it was also striking to me that a number of the cardinals from the U.S. state, they know Pope Leo XIV as Bob, Bob Prevost. And Cardinal Tobin of Newark, New Jersey, he gave an insight into what it was like for Cardinal Bob just before he realized that he was going to be elected the pope.

Here's what Cardinal Tobin had to say.

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CARDINAL JOSEPH TOBIN, NEWARK, NEW JERSEY: I took a look at Bob and because his name had been floating around and he had his head in his hands. And I was praying for him because I couldn't imagine what happens to a human being when you're facing something like that. And then when he accepted it, it was like he was made for it.

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LAMB: Well, now, of course, Pope Leo XIV is into his papacy. We are expecting him in the coming days to meet with cardinals, to meet with journalists on Monday, and, of course, to appear on the balcony of St. Peter's behind me for his first Sunday address, the Regina Caeli Prayer, which we're expecting him to do in a couple of days time. Phil?

MATTINGLY: Christopher, outstanding coverage throughout. I know much more to come from you, obviously from the new pope as well outside Vatican City. Thanks so much.

Well, as the smoke clears from yesterday's big announcement, literally, figuratively, the pontiff's personal history is now coming to light, including his sports allegiances. For the record, White Sox fan.

CNN's Whitney Wild went to a windy city suburb where she caught up with Pope Leo's brother, who tells her he has mixed feelings about his brother's awesome new responsibilities.

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WHITNEY WILD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: So -- and this is your mother? Wow. You guys really look like your mom?

JOHN PREVOST, POPE LEO XIV'S BROTHER: Yes.

WILD: Yes. He really takes after your mother.

PREVOST: Yes.

WILD (voice over): John Prevost remembers the days when now Pope Leo XIV was known simply as Rob.

Did he teach you anything as a person, as a child?

PREVOST: Stand up for what you believe in.

WILD: He was the youngest of three boys spread just four years apart. Music filled their home. Pope Leo learned to play the organ, his brother did too.

PREVOST: He would take these lessons and come home and teach me. Our mom had almost an operatic voice, and so she was very active in our church choir.

WILD: Prevost says his brother always knew he would one day become a priest and was guided to the papacy.

PREVOST: Not that he necessarily was looking for the job, but if that's what God wants, then he will do it.

This is his ordination and his first blessing went to our mother. That's when he became a cardinal.

WILD: The pope's chosen path began early.

PREVOST: When the now pope graduated eighth grade, he was off to seminary already. It's bittersweet in a sense that when we dropped him off for freshman year of high school, the ride home was very sad.

Now, it's even worse in the sense that will we ever get to see him unless we go over to Rome. You know what I mean?

WILD: How does that feel as a brother?

PREVOST: It's hard. Yes, it's hard.

WILD: How do you cope with that?

PREVOST: You just have to. You know, there's no other option.

WILD: Did your mom or dad ever try to talk him out of it?

PREVOST: No, because he knew at such a young age that this is what he wanted. No one was going to talk him out of it.

WILD: Pope Leo assumes his position at a fraught political time around the world and in his home country. PREVOST: I don't think he's really happy with what's going on in terms of immigration in this country. It's not really human to be treating other humans the way some of them are being treated, and I think that will become an issue he'll talk about.

WILD: Prevost says he talks to his brother every day and deeply under, understands the weight of the pope's role as well.

How do you move through this life with this brother who means so much to the world?

PREVOST: It's very awesome. You know, it's a very great honor. But with honor comes great responsibility.

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WILD (on camera): Phil, John Prevost tells us he is going to see his brother in Rome soon. What an extraordinary moment that will be. Phil?

MATTINGLY: Whitney Wild for us in Chicago, great reporting. Thanks so much.

Well, we are standing by to see when a Tuft student will walk free after a judge ordered her immediate release today. One of Rumeysa Ozturk's lawyers joins me live in just moments.

Plus, the party infighting over a disputed social media account that has Republican leaders worried about their chances of holding onto power in Virginia.

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MATTINGLY: In our National Lead, any moment now, Tufts University's Rumeysa Ozturk could be released from detention. A federal judge ordered her release just a few hours ago. Ozturk is from Turkey. She was arrested by federal immigration officers back in March. You see the video here and has been held for the past six weeks at a detention center in Louisiana. She's yet to be charged with any crimes.

Her arrest comes one year after she co-authored a campus newspaper op- ed that was critical of Tufts University's response to the war in Gaza.

With me now is a member of Ozturk's legal team, Esha Bhandari. Esha. I guess to start with, do we have any sense right now of when a release might actually occur or if anything's been standing in the way?

ESHA BHANDARI, MEMBER OF RUMEYSA OZTURK'S LEGAL TEAM: Ms. Ozturk is in the process of making her way home to Massachusetts and we hope she'll be home very soon.

MATTINGLY: So, she has been released from detention?

BHANDARI: Yes. She's on her way out and on her way home. MATTINGLY: Have you spoken to her today, any sense of kind of how she's feeling in the wake of the order to be released?

BHANDARI: She's feeling relieved and the whole legal team is feeling relieved because she's been in detention for six weeks. And as the court heard testimony today, her health has been deteriorating the whole time that she's been in there. So, it's a feeling of relief and knowing that the case is not over, but at least she can fight the case while with her community and continuing the academic work that she loves at Tufts.

MATTINGLY: I would urge people to read kind of what you're talking about in terms of what happened today and what was discussed today, to get a better sense of some of the difficulties that were occurring before this decision was made. The judge clarified that the release was coming without any travel restrictions.

You mentioned the case isn't over. What happens next here?

BHANDARI: The district court is going to have a final hearing on her habeas petition, where the court's going to consider the ultimate question here, which is, does the First Amendment prohibit the government from censoring the speech of non-citizens who are living here, studying here, working here, who have as much right as anyone to participate in the political debates of the day?

And does the First Amendment prohibit the government from retaliating against people who express political opinions that, you know, the government may not like, that may even be unpopular or disfavored, but regardless are constitutionally protected? And we're hopeful that the district court will ultimately hold that, in fact, the government cannot detain, apprehend and seek to punish people who express those political views.

MATTINGLY: Is it your sense, and this is just based on everything else we've seen from the administration when it comes through the legal pathway, that this is something that may or likely will end up at the Supreme Court at some point?

BHANDARI: It very well may end up at the Supreme Court because this case and others like it are a seminal test of the First Amendment.

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And the executive branch is claiming a really breathtaking authority, which is we can detain and punish anyone for anything they say without giving them advanced notice of what the standards are, without ever charging them with breaking the law. And it doesn't even have to be restricted to this subject matter. It could be on any topic, climate change, the war in Ukraine, the president's tariff policies or economic policies.

Whatever, you know, the administration decides, poses a threat to its interests or foreign policy priorities could suddenly lead to someone being in detention. And that's a core violation of the First Amendment and also of due process. And I would expect that eventually the Supreme Court will have to adjudicate that.

MATTINGLY: The point you're making, I think this is what's been surprising on some level to watch, is the administration has been unapologetic and unequivocal about their belief and their authority to go down this path. My sense of things there hasn't been a lot of precedent for doing anything like this. How do you see this playing out going forward? Put the legal elements of this aside, but just in terms of what this means, writ large, in this moment.

BHANDARI: I think these cases are really showing how important it is for the rule of law, to stand strong in these moments. Again, it's not about a particular person even or a particular issue. It's about whether the government has unreviewable power to impact people's lives in this way. And the government has been arguing in court that the courts shouldn't even hear these claims, that it has the authority to make these decisions, which, of course, have huge impacts on people's lives, what they feel free to say, whether they feel like they could be taken off the street at any moment with no notice.

You know, these are so consequential to people's liberty and freedom of speech. And so I think this really is part of a bigger picture push to make sure that the rule of law still prevails.

MATTINGLY: Esha Bhandari, I appreciate both the new information but also your perspective on very important issues. Thanks so much.

BHANDARI: Thank you.

MATTINGLY: Well, the new job announced today for Ed Martin after President Trump pulled his controversial nomination over pushback from both Democrats and Republicans. We'll explain next.

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MATTINGLY: We're back now with our Politics Lead. Divisions are growing among Republicans in Virginia in a fight that GOP leaders worry could hurt the party's chances of holding onto power in the commonwealth. The feud happened just last month after reports that Republican Governor Glenn Youngkin tried to push out John Reid, who's running for lieutenant governor, as well as the first openly gay statewide candidate in Virginia, over a scandal involving a since deleted social media account that had reposted sexually explicit photos.

CNN's Sunlen Serfaty has this look on how the controversy could impact this year's high-stakes election.

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JOHN REID (R), VIRGINIA LT. GOVERNOR CANDIDATE: I will fight for you if you put me in the Capitol.

SUNLEN SERFATY, CNN WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT (voice over): It is a salacious scandal that is splintering Republicans in Virginia. GOV. GLENN YOUNGKIN (R-VA): This is John Reid's decision. He has clearly made up his mind that he's going to stay in. And so he is the Republican nominee for lieutenant governor.

SERFATY: The controversy erupted late last month following reports GOP Governor Glenn Youngkin asked the party's nominee for lieutenant governor, John Reid, to leave the race after GOP researchers discovered a since deleted Tumblr account with a username Reid has used on other social media sites that reposted sexually explicit photos of men.

Reid, the first openly gay statewide nominee in Virginia, denied the account was his, calling it a total fabricated internet lie.

REID: That's not my account, and anyone on the internet can open accounts with the same or similar names as other people.

SERFATY: A CNN Review of the websites archives captured on the way back machine found posts stating back to as far as 2014. In a five- minute video defending himself, Reid rebuked Youngkin for urging him to drop his bid.

REID: What I didn't expect was the governor and I have always supported to call and demand my resignation without even showing me the supposed evidence, offering me a chance to respond.

SERFATY: Reid also directing his ire at the governor's political team, accusing them of pressuring him to end his campaign.

REID: The representatives of my campaign have been told by the leader of Governor Youngkin's political organization that the attacks on me will continue unless I drop out.

SERFATY: As part of the interparty fallout, a lawyer for Reid sent Matt Moran, who until last week was the executive director of Youngkin's PAC, a cease and desist letter. He accused Moran of making, quote, false and defamatory comments, and threatening to release more information if Reid refused to drop out. Moran responding in an affidavit posted to social media saying, I never attacked John and did not threaten or coerce him. I communicated what I truly believed was in his best interest in my judgment.

That episode has left the party divided leading up to the November election and spark concern among some Republicans whether Evangelical voters would support Reid because of his sexual orientation.

REID: There's always going to be some concern from our evangelicals.

MARK PEAKE, CHAIRMAN, VIRGINIA REPUBLICAN PARTY: We're airing it all out now. It'll be done. It'll be out of the way. We got plenty of time to come back together.

SERFATY: Still, the party's nominee for governor, Winsome Earle-Sears, has offered less than a full embrace, saying it was Reid's decision alone to move forward, and that we all have our own race to run. For his part, Youngkin signaled he would support Reid in November despite the dispute.

YOUNGKIN: I will support the nominees and their ticket.

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And at the end of the day, Republicans need to win. And that's the bottom line.

SERFATY: Sunlen Serfaty, CNN, Washington.

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MATTINGLY: Our thanks to Sunlen for that report.

Also in our Politics Lead, Fox News Host Jeanine Pirro is President Trump's latest choice to beat top federal prosecutor for D.C. Now, the shuffle comes after opposition from the Republican-controlled Senate to advance the nomination of the president's first choice, Ed Martin. Instead, Martin is heading for another top post, the Justice Department.

President Trump posting last night he's naming Martin, quote, as the new director of the Weaponization Working Group, associate deputy attorney general and the pardon attorney. In these highly important roles, Ed will make sure we finally investigate the weaponization of our government under the Biden regime and provide much needed justice for its victims. Congratulations, Ed.

Here now is Liz Oyer. She's the former partner attorney who was fired by President Trump after she declined to recommend that Mel Gibson's gun rights be restored after a domestic violence conviction.

You -- I'm very happy to talk to you because I think that there's been a lot of focus on Jeanine Pirro, the new acting U.S. attorney. There's been a lot of focus on the weaponization group that the president is putting Ed Martin in charge of. Ed Martin's role on pardons here, what does that mean?

LIZ OYER, FORMER U.S. PARDON ATTORNEY: So, a lot of people are reacting with relief that Ed Martin is not going to be the U.S. attorney for D.C., but the role that he is being put in is, in many ways, scarier because he has this direct access to the president in this role to be able to recommend that people receive pardons, which has proven during this administration to be a very quick and easy way to do political favors for friends and supporters of the president and to undermine prosecutions that are in the interests of justice.

And they've been used already in a really, really destructive and disturbing way by President Trump. So, having someone with Martin's background, who is an ally and booster of President Trump and who has supported all manner of conspiracy theories that have been espoused by the president, is a role that has the potential to do a great deal of damage to the justice system.

MATTINGLY: With the preface that I understand the process to the extent it currently exists is different than any process that I think anybody's been aware of up to this point. I mean, I've talked to lobbyists who hear from people say, hey, do you have some in at the White House, because I have a guy that needs to get something dropped or needs to get out of jail, he's got a lot of money, how do we do this? Explain to people how it works and how it works now.

OYER: Well, how it works now is not how it's supposed to work or how it has ever historically worked outside of Trump's presidency. But what is happening now is there's what's been referred to as a pardon economy, where people are paying enormous amounts of money to highly connected lawyers and lobbyists to get their applications for pardons on the president's desk, and that is working.

The president is granting pardons to people who do not meet any of the standards that are set forth for that type of relief by the Justice Department, longstanding standards that have been applied. He's granting pardons to people who owe tens of millions and even hundreds of millions of dollars in financial penalties associated with their convictions. Much of this is money that are owed to victims of frauds. And the president's pardons are essentially wiping away all of those penalties for the benefit of these wealthy and well-connected Americans, and to the detriment of people who have been victimized by fraud and financial crimes.

That is truly a historic and unprecedented use of the pardon power, and it is not consistent with the standards that the Justice Department has historically always applied for evaluating and recommending pardons.

MATTINGLY: When I've raised this to my Republican friends, they say, okay, Mark Rich, Hunter Biden, like Democratic presidents have helped their friends out usually at the very end of a term. And through outside the normal process, I think on some level, or at least not necessarily based on recommendation, why is this -- are they wrong?

OYER: So, that's sort of the elephant in the room that comes up when you talk about what President Trump is doing with pardons is what about Biden, and I hear that question all the time. And, undeniably, President Biden did some things with the pardon power that are not what's consistent or contemplated with the Justice Department standards, and that's his prerogative as president.

But the scope and scale of what is happening now is fundamentally different than what happens during any prior administration, just in terms of the sheer amount of money that is at issue and in terms of the fact that the president really appears to be selling access to a piece of presidential power to this constitutional power that he has to grant pardons, which are a very powerful form of relief.

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MATTINGLY: There's a lot going on. We've talked about it. This is important. People should pay a lot of attention to it.

Liz Oyer, I really appreciate your time.

OYER: Thanks very much for having me, Phil. MATTINGLY: Well, next our small business series takes us to Michigan for a look at how Trump's tariffs are already affecting the prices of essential baby items.

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MATTINGLY: In the Money Lead, we are back with our series here on The Lead where we talk with small business owners from coast to coast about President Trump's tariffs. Now, some have been optimistic, many are not.

Emily and John Murray are joining me now. They own Modern Natural Baby in the Detroit suburb of Ferndale, Michigan, the largest independent baby store in the state. Guys, I really appreciate your time.

John, I want to start with you. I think like recent research I've seen 90 percent of all baby products in the United States are manufactured in China. When it comes to your store, do you have a sense of how much is coming from China and what it's been like to try and figure out tariffs?

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JOHN MURRAY, CO-OWNER, MODERN NATURAL BABY: Yes, Phil, that's a great question. When we first started our store 16 years ago, one of the things that we wanted to try to accomplish was like, let's not have any products from China. Like let's have zero products from China. And that was the vision starting off 16 years ago.

Fast forward to 16 years to present, about 70 percent of our products here are made in China, not because we so choose it, but that's the customer chooses what they want. They're looking for a price, they're looking for a product. What we'll do is we'll even put a product and say, made in the USA to show like, hey, this product might be a little more expensive, but this might be the reason, right?

So, I would say right now 70 percent of all of our products are made in China. I would say 90 percent of our strollers are made in China. I would say 85 percent of our car seats are made in China. You know what I mean? Like but what we are is we're a mid-tier, high-end boutique that sells higher end strollers, higher end car seats, and they don't make those really in the United States.

MATTINGLY: Emily, that's such a -- we talk about big numbers and abstract concepts and macroeconomics so often that I think getting into, okay, what does this actually mean in practice, why is your inventory, why are the things you're selling from where they from, why are they sourced there, why are their origin countries in China or elsewhere. In terms of the day to day in this moment as a small business owner, how are you thinking through what to put on the shelves, how to pay tariffs, what to maybe not order, what to try and stock up on or front run over the course of the last couple of months?

EMILY MURRAY, CO-OWNER, MODERN NATURAL BABY: Well, you know, to start with like just the United States doesn't have the infrastructure to make these things here. You know, over the past few decades, everybody has moved manufacturing to China, so that's just where things are made.

And as far as like tariffs and how we're dealing with it right now is, you know, at first we were kind of worried about pricing and prices going up. Then we started realizing that we were going to run into shortages. And what's more concerning for the baby industry is a shortage of car seats, because you have to -- you have to have a car seat. You don't have to have anything else. You can't leave the hospital without a car seat. So, what are parents going to do when they can't get one?

J. MURRAY: So we're actually seeing this right now, right, where a lot of times when you think about a boutique, you might think like it might cost a little bit more, right, when, in fact, boutiques have the same price as Amazon, right? So, there's this misconception that when people come in, they're paying a higher price, and that's not the case. And with tariffs going up, we're like, no, this is just how everybody is, right?

So, we have to first fight that. On our own level, like, hey, no, boutique stores, we are just the same price as everyone else. So, that's the first thing that we have to tackle.

E. MURRAY: But then buying -- everybody's buying our seats right now so that we know we're going to have them. But like our companies, our suppliers are running out. And there's no boats coming over from China because nobody's paying 145 percent tariff. So, we're going to have a serious car seat shortage, which is not an economic issue, it's a safety issue.

J. MURRAY: and nobody really knows this except like us, right? Like we're like, no, guys, there's a big problem happening here. Our car seat manufacturers are running out of car seats and nobody is shipping from China to here. What we did is we had to panic buy, right? So, that's the thing about small businesses that we're having to do is we're going to have to either stay put, stay the course, and that's who we are. That's how we stayed in business for 16 years. We just stayed the course. But now we're forced to panic buy.

So, what we're panic buying is the strollers and car seats and cribs, but mostly car seats. And the reason why is we do not want to go to somebody and say, you do not have a car seat to go home to the hospital with.

MATTINGLY: Such important point, yes.

J. MURRAY: And it's strange that we're the ones to have to, but we're such a small piece of the puzzle that nobody realizes that we're actually running out of car seats and strollers and cribs and all that, but like car seats.

MATTINGLY: This is why, one, it's invaluable to hear from people like yourselves, but also my appreciation for you guys. I didn't even have to ask questions. You guys just exactly nailed everything that I was thinking about or wanted to get to.

So, Emily, John Murray, I really appreciate your time. [18:45:00]

Thank you so much for joining me.

Why the jury selection in the trial of Sean "Diddy" Combs was delayed today, and who were learning could be among the first witnesses to take the stand, likely on Monday. That's next.

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MATTINGLY: In our law and justice lead, jury selection for the Sean "Diddy" Combs' criminal trial has been delayed until Monday.

Meantime, CNN's Elizabeth Wagmeister has this update on a slew of civil lawsuits Diddy is also facing.

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ELIZABETH WAGMEISTER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Sean "Diddy" Combs on trial for his freedom, but his legal trouble won't end regardless of the verdict in his criminal case.

ANDREW VAN ARSDALE, ATTORNEY FOR COMBS ACCUSERS: My clients will be ecstatic if and when he's convicted, guilty and behind bars. But the next step in their healing process is to get accountability for what happened to them.

WAGMEISTER: Attorney Andrew Van Arsdale represents dozens of Combs accusers who've already sued the embattled music mogul. He tells CNN exclusively he believes he has more than 400 potential claims, some alleging sexual assault. That would be a stunning addition to the more than 60 cases Combs already faces. He denies all wrongdoing in those cases and has pleaded not guilty to the criminal charges.

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VAN ARSDALE: Where we can file, when we can put forward an actionable claim within statute of limitations, we are going to be doing that.

WAGMEISTER: Four hundred cases. I believe you filed dozens, but nowhere near 400. Not even anywhere near 100. Does this mean that you plan to file 400 individual claims against Sean Combs?

VAN ARSDALE: Yes, we do.

WAGMEISTER: He says some of his clients. Have cooperated with federal authorities in the criminal case, and could testify in Combs' trial.

VAN ARSDALE: This is an opportunity they maybe thought they never had in the fact that they see the system working.

WAGMEISTER: Van Arsdale's firm operates a call center out of Montana that takes in and vets potential accusers. He says the center received over 15,000 calls, claiming varying degrees of mistreatment by Combs. Those were filtered down to what Van Arsdale believes are 400 potential cases. He filed his previous suits with co-counsel, Tony Buzbee, who has been

a target of Combs defense.

Now, Diddy's defense has called you and attorneys representing other accusers an ambulance chaser. They say, why do you have a call center? Why are you putting a 1800 number behind your face at a press conference? What do you say to that?

VAN ARSDALE: I appreciate what you're trying to do to defend your client. But at the end of the day, if your client did these things, if your client sexually assaulted people against their will, he's liable under the law.

WAGMEISTER: But Combs' team has seized on inconsistencies in at least two of the civil cases.

ACCUSER: I was screaming. I was telling him to stop.

WAGMEISTER: One based on an interview that a male client of Van Arsdale did with CNN, who gave details that didn't match his lawsuit, including the year he alleges he was drugged and sexually assaulted by Combs at one of his so-called white parties.

VAN ARSDALE: The filing error that was corrected right away.

WAGMEISTER: Van Arsdale says this clerical mistake was corrected and refiled. Combs attorneys pushed back, calling it a bogus case.

Another claim against Combs and Jay-Z was withdrawn by the accuser after Jay-Z fiercely denied her claims.

Van Arsdale said the Jane Doe was not prepared for the intense public scrutiny she faced. Jay-Z countered with a defamation suit against jane doe and her attorney, Buzbee.

You and your co-counsel, Tony Buzbee, despite these inconsistencies, you do believe your clients and you believe their core allegations.

VAN ARSDALE: We believe our clients. We believe our core allegations.

WAGMEISTER: Van Arsdale says he knows not all cases he says he's working on will see the inside of a courtroom, but he's confident Combs's criminal case won't be the last time he'll be facing accusers in court.

VAN ARSDALE: These brave men and women that have come forward are allowing that message to be sent. It, 100 percent, should have a chilling effect. People are operating this way. Those days are done.

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WAGMEISTER (on camera): I asked Andrew why he's waiting until after the criminal trial to file any additional possible cases, and he tells me its because his clients are still living in fear of the power that Sean Combs can wield. He says that they recognize that its possible that he could be acquitted. He tells me, I hear from my clients every day. They are still scared.

MATTINGLY: Elizabeth Wagmeister, thank you.

We'll be right back.

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MATTINGLY: Venice, Italy, faces threats from rising sea levels and floods. But the city isn't just sinking. It's also shrinking. As the population of Venice declines, locals fear a loss of their lifestyle because of overtourism. It's the focus of this weekend's episode of "THE WHOLE STORY".

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ERICA HILL, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The foreigners come and they think Venice is sinking. We have to save it.

When you hear "save Venice", what does that mean to you?

MICHELA BORTOLOZZI, FOUNDER, RELIGHT VENICE: Respect Venice when you come here, understand where you are. Always I ask, do you know that we have cinema? We have school. Oh, really?

We have a swimming pool, to swimming pool in town. I can't believe it. Yeah, but a lot of people doesn't really know how, really, Venice works.

MATTEO SILVERIO, CO-FOUNDER, REHUB: Most of the time I argue with tourists. They say, okay, do you usually stand in the middle of the street during the rush hour? No. They will kill you. Either a bike or a car.

So that here. This is a street. This is not a pedestrian way. This is not a nice place to take a picture. So now they are all made of selfies and they take selfies on the top of the bridge.

BORTOLOZZI: Pretending nobody --

SILVERIO: Pretending you're passing, you're ruining my pictures. No, I'm just going home.

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MATTINGLY: Jake Tapper has more.

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TAPPER: So, Venice relies so much on tourism for its economic survival. So they can't do away with the industry altogether. Is there a way to manage it better?

HILL: So that's really what we're investigating in this hour is that the locals -- you're right. I mean, Venice leaned into tourism heavily as their main economic driver in the '70s and in the '80s. And the city needs tourists. But what the locals we spoke to are looking for is a way to do it better, for tourists to be maybe a little bit more thoughtful, more respectful, but also to make Venice continue to be a living city, so that there are jobs outside of the tourism industry, that there is affordable housing.

These are issues that are facing a number of cities here in the U.S., but also around the world. You saw what happened with tourism in Barcelona last year. There were a lot of concerns. Tourists getting shot with water guns. They want to find a way to do it better so that it doesn't suck the life in the soul out of their city, and that's what they're worried about.

TAPPER: What do you want viewers to take away from your trip?

HILL: I think just that, that there is -- tourism is so important, right? Visiting other places is key to opening up your eyes to the world. And that's what we heard from the locals we spoke with. But there's a way to do it thoughtfully, and there's a way to do it that also is respectful of the community that you're visiting. And I think you'll get some of that in this hour. I hope you will.

TAPPER: I'm sure I will.

Erica, thank you so much for being here.

HILL: Thanks, Jake.

TAPPER: Catch Erica's reporting on the next episode of "THE WHOLE STORY WITH ANDERSON COOPER". That's this Sunday night at 8:00 Eastern, only here on CNN.

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MATTINGLY: "ERIN BURNETT OUTFRONT" live from Rome starts now.