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Police: One Dead, At Least Four Injured In Atlanta Shooting; Suspect At Large. Aired 2-2:30p ET

Aired May 03, 2023 - 14:00   ET

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JIM SCIUTTO, CNN ANCHOR: To this point, police saying they have not definitively located where the suspect is right now. And that might explain some of the lack of movement we're seeing of those quick reaction teams there, the SWAT teams on the ground. But again, we should note, since this happened so quickly, that that information can change very quickly.

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: And we have an update right now from CNN's Nick Valencia who's been tracking the very latest. Nick, I understand you've just heard some details from police.

NICK VALENCIA, CNN CORRESPONDENT (on camera): That's right. The Atlanta Police Department spokeswoman telling me that the mother is cooperating, as we've heard from Ryan Young's reporting. She was reported to be among the victims initially among those shot, but the Atlanta Police Department is telling me that the mother was not shot during this incident.

As far as sightings of this suspect who is still on the run, they're getting multiple reports of sightings of this individual but at different locations that they haven't been able to confirm. They're saying basically anyone who's a black male on the streets right now you know with a hoodie, somebody is calling about them. So, they are trying to follow up on these credible leads. No status on those victims that were shot. And again, a hard perimeter of about a mile has been put up around this area where the incident initially happened during the lunchtime hour in Midtown.

The bottom line here, guys, is that this is still very much show an active situation in a very fluid situation. No update on the conditions of those victims but the mother, as we've been reporting is cooperating with police. And this individual was there as Ryan had reported for a medical appointment for himself.

Atlanta Police Department declining to get further details because of HIPAA. But they are saying that that message to the public of sheltering in place is still very much so, one that they want people to pay attention to. Again, about a mile around that area is locked down currently, guys.

SANCHEZ: So, Nick, your understanding is that the suspect is on the run, that the suspect has not been discovered by police at this time. In other words, there isn't some kind of discussion going on at this moment from our understanding of your conversation.

VALENCIA: That's right. They just so far told me they've gotten multiple reports of sightings, but they're not in a specific area. They're sort of scattered around, so they don't know how credible those sightings are. But they are currently investigating this as we're currently watching live pictures from the scene right now, Boris.

SCIUTTO: Yes.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN ANCHOR: Yes. And as we look at these live pictures, what we're seeing here is a number of people in medical scrubs, right? And we know this happened in a medical building. It's hard to tell this person who you see in would appear -- this -- we -- look, frankly, we don't know. But you see the person in the little yellow footies --

SANCHEZ: Right.

KEILAR: -- which is generally something that you see a patient wearing in a hospital.

SANCHEZ: Walking gingerly.

KEILAR: Walking gingerly. And we just don't know if they're moving someone if they're moving them from the building that he was in, or if they're moving them from another place in this area.

SCIUTTO: Yes.

KEILAR: But this was an area that was sheltering in place. And certainly, some parts of it may continue to be.

SCIUTTO: Yes.

KEILAR: So, I do want to bring in Jonathan Wackrow, CNN Law Enforcement Analyst, to talk with us. That is something that we just learned here, Jonathan. And we were wondering because there had been no additional shots fired since the initial shots were fired some time ago.

But now, we have just found out according to police, that they don't know where he is. They haven't located him. So, there is not some scenario where they are discussing with him or trying to negotiate with him. They don't know where he is at this point. And obviously, Jonathan, that raises a lot of questions about where this goes from here.

JONATHAN WACKROW, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT ANALYST: Yes. No, absolutely. So, listen, I think while it has appeared that the active shooting has abated, this is still a very, very tense situation for -- you know, for the citizens, for the police that are trying to find this suspect because the shooter is at large, right? So, we have an unmitigated threat right now someone with a weapon armed and dangerous, already shot and killed one person, wounded others. So, we know the severity of this situation. Now, with that being said, the advantage is with the police right now. They know who this suspect is, so they're quickly working in the background to identify you know, where this person may be going next, what type of resources they have in that immediate area known, affiliates that they can potentially rely on, they may be able to track the individual's cell phone. So, there's a lot of tools at the disposal of law enforcement right now --

SANCHEZ: Yes.

WACKROW: -- to help you know bring this situation to a quick resolution.

SCIUTTO: Yes. Jonathan, that's a great point. Given that they do know the ID of the suspect, we should note the suspect here, that would mean possibly there's mother's cooperating would know his cell phone. And if he were to still have it on his person, they could use that as tracking information to help identify his location.

But I'm also conscious of a good point that Ryan Young made on the ground is the police don't want to share perhaps all they know because it's possible the suspect is watching. And we're going to be as aware as we can have that share what the police are sharing is as they do their best to locate -- to locate. Can I -- can I ask you, Jonathan, given you're involved in law enforcement your level of concern, at least to our knowledge that police more than an hour later have not yet located the shooter here.

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WACKROW: Well, listen. This is a difficult environment for law enforcement to operate, right? You know, they've tried to you know set a perimeter out to a mile. You have to try to prevent the suspect from going beyond that.

But think about in an urban environment, how many locations there are to hide? How many locations that individual could have ducked into any single building? They could be hiding in plain sight you know blending into you know the environment, you know walking by you know current law enforcement, they may not even realize you know, who that individual is, so it is very difficult.

You take that operating environment and you combine it with you know some of the reporting we had. I know it was -- it may not be unconfirmed, but like that, this individual may have a military background. What that signals to me is that he has a proficiency with weapons. He has an understanding potentially of law enforcement tactics because they typically, you know, will mimic what military tactics are. So, there's a close, you know, synergies between the two.

So, again, the profile of this individual law enforcement is trying to you know anticipate what that next move is going to be, you know, we know that this incident was you know most likely not planned so this fleeing felon was not part of you know his plan today. So, it -- again, there's some advantages for police but it's still a very tense in a high-threat situation. And what I don't want is for people to see like, yes, the posture of law enforcement officials that we're seeing on TV may seem reduced, but this is a tense situation. They need to get this shooter into custody quickly.

But I think with the resources, the coordination with the suspect's family, this will -- this will resolve itself pretty quickly. Unfortunately, these things typically resolve themselves in three ways. One, the suspect will surrender when encountered by police, law enforcement may have to neutralize him as a threat or you know, he may you know, unfortunately, take his own life, right?

So, those are really the three ways that this is going to end. But I think this will you know end quickly just look at the resources that are being put towards it right now.

SANCHEZ: We want to go back to Juliette Kayyem to ask something that Jonathan addressed, which is the difficulty of this kind of search in an urban environment about a mile radius. Typically, we see a grid search, right, a door-to-door approach to try to finding where this individual might be. But obviously, it is a broad area. So, how do they go about narrowing that in a proficient way?

JULIETTE KAYYEM, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY ANALYST: So, it takes a long time. And this is -- you know, we talk about the cost of gun violence. And one of the things that we don't talk about is the disruption of cars. I mean, there's the physical cost, there's the mental health costs, not just on communities, but of course, law enforcement and others who are -- who are going through this so often. This sort of, you know, fear of what's on the other side of that phone call. And then, of course, the economic costs, which are relevant for cities to shut down like this each time.

But the -- because the -- because -- the alternative, though, is unfathomable because given the nature of weapons right now, you simply -- you simply have to protect populations because law enforcement can't be everywhere. And so, the lockdown protects people who are vulnerable, who are not law enforcement, and then you're going floor by floor to make sure that he is not there. I will say there's lots of cameras, and Atlanta's a sophisticated city with lots of cameras everywhere. People have iPhones, we've already seen iPhones.

So, they may -- they may not be able to put him in a particular place but they can ensure that he's not somewhere let's say he ran past a particular block. They now know that that block is cleared if they've seen him now on a video two blocks away. Urban searches are hard because they're complex. They're also -- they're also made easier by just the fact that we have so much identification capacity on the streets.

SCIUTTO: Yes. On the good side as police have noted, no shots have been fired --

KAYYEM: Yes.

SCIUTTO: -- to our knowledge and according to the latest police updates since the initiation of this a little more than an hour ago. On the downside, police at least to have ensured that they have definitively located the suspect. And as we watch the reaction of deployed law enforcement there, they're not running to a particular location right now, which would indicate that they had him barricaded.

KAYYEM: No.

SCIUTTO: And, of course, there could be things taking place outside of our field of vision, but to -- but to date, we have not seen that.

KAYYEM: Right.

SCIUTTO: We have not seen that urgency here.

KAYYEM: They're not shifting -- yes, they're not shifting the commands -- the command center, so you know, the phone calls come we know what building it's in.

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And I should say the nurses, it appears, at least from our reporting, behaved exactly as they're supposed to exactly, unfortunately, how we're all trained to which is locked down protocols, get patients out of the way, lock them or others individuals out of the way. And you're not seeing shifts so -- in the positioning of the police officers. So, this is just yet another instance in which given how many people -- I'll be direct, how many people can get killed so quickly with the weaponry that is out on the streets now.

SCIUTTO: Yes.

KAYYEM: And we don't know what it is. In this case, the only -- the only thing that can help a community is a massive surge of police to try to decapitate the shooter. And so, that's what you saw.

SCIUTTO: Yes.

KAYYEM: We might interpret that as well something really bad happened. And it's sometimes it's just well, something really bad has happened in other instances. And now, urban police -- all police departments are trained to move forward in mass force.

SCIUTTO: Yes.

KAYYEM: This is the --

SCIUTTO: Yes.

KAYYEM: I mean, this is the default response now.

SCIUTTO: Yes, and only reemphasize post-Uvalde, where we did not see that, right? You did see quite a click reactions --

KAYYEM: Yes.

SCIUTTO: -- several of the other shootings we've covered since then. But as you know, that is the guy who's military trained.

KAYYEM: Two minutes, yes.

KEILAR: I want to bring in Josh Campbell now because Josh, I mean, this is where we are at what looks like a pretty large perimeter of the area, and a lot of resources still surged as we've seen these pictures coming to us from our affiliates there out of Atlanta. But authorities don't know where he is. They have not located him. And no, there have not been additional shots fired since this -- the initial shots were fired. But that also means they do not know where the shooter is, or where the suspect is at this point.

So, what are the options right now? What are they doing? Tracking down leads, presumably. A lot of people, obviously, in the area with their eyes wide open looking to see if they can see the suspect. But where does this lead the police?

JOSH CAMPBELL, CNN SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Well, first, communication is key. And we see the Atlanta police department doing a very good job. They're quickly getting the suspect information out getting his photograph out. So, people, if they know who this person is, they will perhaps call police and provide information certainly if they see this person.

And so again, that communication is so important because these types of incidents are often over very quickly. And then if a suspect isn't neutralized and they're able to flee, then obviously we're now in a situation where you have a manhunt. There on the scene, what we've been seeing on those images from our affiliates is this is the staged presidents. What we can't see inside that building is likely the officers that are going floor by floor clearing that area, trying to ensure that the suspect isn't secreted in some -- you know, a closet or room. This is a very large building.

But also -- you know, and I can tell you. Having been in these situations inside the mobile command centers, which we've seen, which are essentially you know large motor coaches there is you have the various commanders from different agencies, and certainly, the on- scene commander that they're fielding information coming in, intelligence, they're directing resources. But you also have to understand because they are crowdsourcing now with the public asking the public look at this image, call police if you see them, there's also an intake of tips that have to come in. And, Jim, you would notice, particularly earlier, when we saw those Bearkats driving away.

SCIUTTO: Yes.

CAMPBELL: They, you know, went in opposite directions. Those resources are now going to be called upon to respond to any credible sighting that they see. And to try to vet that. And certainly, if you have a suspect who has escaped this perimeter and who's now armed and dangerous, you're going to send those highly advanced trained tactical teams to try to make contact.

And so, there's just so much going on right now behind the scenes of these manhunts. But they're frustrating. They're labor intensive, you know, require a lot of intensive decision-making on the part of those commanders about where they actually dedicate those resources. But what we're seeing is essentially, they know where this started. They know where the shots were fired. That's where the resources were deployed to.

Now, they're in that -- in that stage where they're just trying to calculate, what resources do we keep here. And, you know, do we extend this perimeter even farther? And certainly, hope that the tip comes in from someone who is watching that may see this person if he's not, indeed secreted inside that building.

SCIUTTO: Yes. and to your point there, the resources we see on the street and the resources we may not be able to see -- may not be visible to us now, and that could be officers inside those buildings, acting to clear rooms, etcetera.

SANCHEZ: Yes, essentially conducting the search that we just talked about with Juliette. If you're just joining us, there's been a shooting at the Northside Hospital Medical Midtown Atlanta. Four people injured, one of them dead at the scene.

We want to go back to CNN as Ryan Young, who is there for us. And Ryan reported just a few moments ago that apparently, this was a former Coast Guard member, a service member whose family was concerned for his mental health, who reportedly arrived at an appointment with his mother. Something took place during the course of that appointment, Ryan, that set him off. What are you seeing where you are now? It appears that there are some officers being mobilized near you.

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RYAN YOUNG, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. So, Boris, look, we're kind of right in the middle of this. And what I will tell you is, look, the sources have been really good, so far about sort of laying out what they were trying to do when they first arrived here. I heard Josh talking about how people were just assembling and how they set the perimeter.

So, you had the initial APD officers set the perimeter, but their hotels -- actually, we're standing right out in front of a hotel. So, you -- as you can imagine, they were concerned about where this person could run off to. We're also near public transportation. So, they were also worried about that person jumping on that public transportation.

I mean, even as we're talking now, we do have the SWAT team members who were getting gear out of their trucks. It's still a very much defensive (INAUDIBLE) here right now. We haven't seen anyone running into any buildings or anything like that.

But when you talk about an active midtown area in the city of Atlanta right now, and this is one of the fastest-growing pockets of the city, Midtown where you always have cranes, and everybody's sort of moving throughout the day. And I talked about that grocery store that's on the end of the block there, though New Whole Foods is on the bottom of that large building that's sitting right there. And then this building right here is an apartment complex. So, you have hundreds of people who live in this general area.

And when this happened, the officers were good at shutting down not only the street that's over there, that's on the side right there. But they shut down the corresponding intersections on either side. They were trying to stop as many cars as possible from getting into this area.

And as I talked about before, the shooting happened in this building, that's the Northside Medical building right there. You can see the corner of it. And this is where they pushed us back. On the other side of this building, there's a parking garage structure, and they were concerned about someone being able to carjack the car.

Now, as you can see, these officers moving down the street. They did pick up some equipment. You can see they also look to be taking a breaching device with them as they walk back in this direction.

They are still working with the thought process that they've been able to contain the suspect in this area. And once again, what we've learned so far is this man apparently arrived with his mother for a medical appointment, and at some point, became agitated during that medical appointment. And that's when the shooting started.

And we've even been trying to figure out exactly how many people were shot because when they say injured or shot, there's a difference there because sometimes when they're shooting, there's glass that explodes everywhere, so people can get injured, but and suffer some sort of wound, but it might not be a gunshot. So, we do know people were pulled out of gurneys.

Now, in this city, we do know that some of the hospital staff and EMS actually trained with the SWAT team. So, they had those special teams ready as well to kind of pull people in and to get them off the -- whoever was injured out of this situation. But as we're talking now, you think about more than 10 blocks of this midtown area, the bustling area in Atlanta that has been shut down due to this active search.

And as we speak, there are helicopters all in this area that are also searching the buildings around here. If you've been to Atlanta before, we're close to I would say maybe nine hotels. When you add that together, that's why having the Marta Police Department, the Georgia State Patrol, the U.S. Marshals, the FBI, APD, and Fulton County Sheriff's Department altogether coordinating this from the command unit. That's actually two blocks from over where we are is important because they have set up their hive system there so they can bring in all the information from the area, and then put that out.

And we've seen that communications department, which is planning for this stuff all the time, pump out that information. That's why somebody was smart enough to go in there and get that picture and bring it in. So, at this point, that's what the information they're working with. This still remains a very active scene. They have told people to shelter in place. So, all these folks who live in these buildings right here, most of them have not been able to come out since this has happened because they're not even leaving cars we have some of these parking garages as you can understand. But the one thing that we haven't seen and we always see these in these active situations is no one's looking in the back of cars to see if anyone's hiding in that situation. But while this is going on, why sirens are still surrounding us as people keep responding to different things around this area, I'm sure people are calling 911 with descriptions. But again, when you look back at that picture --

SCIUTTO: Yes.

YOUNG: -- that hoodie, that canvas bag -- that canvas bag is something that he probably wouldn't drop because if he was carrying ammo or anything like that, that would be in that canvas bag. That satchel. The hoodies might be something that -- heavy hoodie might be something that he would lose, especially with the heavy heat that we're starting to experience with the sun being out there.

So, when you look at that picture, and I'm hoping maybe you will get a chance to see the pants and the shoes as he leaves that elevator. because the shoes could be an indicator where you could pick up on something like that because he wouldn't be able to take those off as he's running.

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So, guys, a lot of information that's still kind of floating out there. But once again, this is someone who arrived with their mother to a medical appointment and at some point, became agitated, and then the shooting started. And then people have been telling me that the nurses inside this building and other offices were locking their doors to try to stop anybody from getting into their place. I mean, it was a chaotic scene when this initially happened.

KEILAR: Yes. And listen, multiple people injured at this point in time. The suspect is still at large in this bustling part of Atlanta, Ryan, as you mentioned. And we know that one person was pronounced dead there at the scene following the shooting.

Ryan, if you could stand by for us as you were there talking to some of the sources that you have been talking to and learning more information, I want to bring in our chief law enforcement and intel analyst, John Miller. John, as you are watching this unfold, and right now there are a lot of questions that remain to be answered at this point in time because police have not found this suspect. They are staging, but for what at this point in time, it is hard to be sure of?

JOHN MILLER, CNN CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT & INTEL ANALYST: Well, I think what you're looking at is they are staging to be ready because as Ryan described so well, what they did very well was they set up a perimeter to try and keep him contained within that area and to keep people from entering that area. And they did that pretty quickly. So that gives them one advantage.

But you know, as we learn over and over again in these incidents, all too often I would add, the shooting usually only takes seconds or sometimes minutes. And the suspect is on the move either in the building or through the building or out of the building. And, you know, once he gets out of that perimeter before they set it up, if that -- if that is what happened, then you've got to search everything within the perimeter. But he may not be in there at all.

So, one of the things they did extraordinarily well here was downloading the video from the security cameras, isolating those still photos, getting those out to the public, so that the public knows, yes, we're all on the lookout for someone but we know what we're on the lookout for in terms of those photographs. A couple of which you can clearly see him holding the firearm in his hand. So, as they're operating that scene, they've also got their secondary units on the outer perimeter.

There was a report of an attempted carjacking of a -- of a pathfinder in the area. They broadcast the description of that individual. It was a denim jacket blue jeans, doesn't match the photograph. But as Ryan pointed out, once you shed that hoodie and another layer or two, they haven't eliminated that possibility. The carjacking was not successful. So, they are focused on that area as well.

SANCHEZ: And, John, I just want to note for our viewers, we were expecting an update from Grady Hospital, a press briefing just minutes away on the victims. One killed at the scene at least four injured and rushed to hospitals in the area for help. John, if we could put up the images of the shooter that were released by police, I'm interested in getting your perspective on what stands out to you. Not only the satchel but in one image, it does appear as though the suspect is wearing a glove. What do you make of these images?

MILLER: Well, I mean, you see someone who you could deduce from that, came with a plan. This is an individual whose mom brought him into a medical facility for an evaluation. And clearly, he was -- clearly, he's overwrought about that, acted out, and is now either in hiding somewhere within that perimeter or on the run.

And when police engage him, hopefully, they will be able to actually engage him in a conversation to get him to calm down. But as Jonathan Wackrow pointed out a couple of minutes ago, you know these scenarios have three endings statistically. One is where there is a shootout with police. The other is where the suspect takes their own life before that. Or there's a good percentage of where the suspect is able to surrender. And that would be the hopeful outcome here.

KEILAR: John, what do you make in that picture of what the suspect is wearing on his front? I mean, clearly, he has ready access to a weapon if he was storing it in that bag, which he very possibly was, to ammunition. Certainly, that could provide -- you know, if he has more ammunition, there could be plenty of it if he's carrying a bag of that size. And it is just -- it stands out in that it is on his front, right?

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MILLER: Right. You know, bringing that satchel having it available in the front almost the way you would in a -- in a military gear type situation really indicates that when he left with his mom today, he did have some kind of plan. He was equipped for that plan. He was literally armed for that plan.

And we don't know what else is in there. Although what we've seen in past active shooters is they bring a weapon, sometimes a secondary weapon, sometimes multiple magazines, as we saw fairly recently with the Michigan State University shooter who had the backpack with the secondary weapon and the multiple pre-loaded magazines.

In this case, the only indicator is that he kept it that close and that close within reach. Knowing that he was armed and probably -- (INAUDIBLE)

SANCHEZ: Standby, we're going to a live press conference. Dr. Robert Jansen, Chief Medical Officer at Grady Health System updating.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE)

DR, ROBERT JANSEN, CHIEF MEDICAL OFFICER, GRADY HEALTH SYSTEM: No other injuries occurred that we know of and nobody was taking that we know and nobody was taking the facility. Of the four that were brought here, three are critical, one is still in the emergency department. The others are upstairs being treated. Two in the operating room, and one in what's called interventional radiology.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you able to describe -- I know there aren't HIPAA laws, but are you able to describe who was shot?

JANSEN: No, I can't give out that information. I'm sorry.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How was Grady prepared to handle a mass shooting situation?

JANSEN: So, we called a mass casualty event within minutes. We had multiple trauma surgeons, and multiple staff in the trauma bay itself. We cleared out any patients who are currently in the Marcus Trauma Center and we were fully prepared.

We are anticipating up to 12 patients. Fortunately, we only receive four. But we were completely prepared for it.

We had all the staff that we needed. We had all the ancillary staff that we needed. We had chaplains there. We had security there. Everyone that was needed was in the place.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You know you, guys, (INAUDIBLE) --

JANSEN: Yes, yes. We have stopped our mass casualty call now but we are prepared.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

JANSEN: We initially stopped visitors because we weren't sure where the shooter is. We are confident now that we can let visitors back in. We never locked the hospital down. We just wanted to stop visitors just in case there was anything going on.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you tell me what the past type of protocols that you would -- (INAUDIBLE)

JANSEN: I'm sorry, I couldn't --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

JANSEN: Yes. So, when we activate our mass casualty event, that immediately starts our command center. We bring all the surgeons, all the nurses, all the ancillary staff to the trauma center itself. It goes out over both remotely through phones as well as announced over the loudspeaker. And then we start clearing out operating rooms and we start clearing out the emergency department in case we need additional space.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I know you can't give us a lot of information that can identify but can you tell us if these are adults, children, or any age ranges?

JANSEN: They're all adults.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Any gender?

JANSEN: No, I don't have that.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: How are the families (INAUDIBLE)

JANSEN: We know that a couple of families are here, but I don't know about the other ones.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said originally, you were preparing for 12.

JANSEN: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did the original call come in that there might be 12 coming?

JANSEN: That's what we heard initially. But I think in any of these situations there's a lot of confusion as you know.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thanks, guys. Thank you.

(CROSSTALK)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: (INAUDIBLE)

JANSEN: So, I'm Robert Jansen, the chief medical.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thank you, guys.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

SCIUTTO: You've been listening there to Dr. Robert Jansen, Chief Medical Officer of the Grady Health System, which as he was saying there had set up for a mass casualty event and he gave us an update on those casualties. He said they received four victims, three of whom he described as critical. He said two are in the operating room right now being treated. Police had already updated close to an hour ago that one of the victims was found deceased on the scene. So, the latest casualties, one dead, four injured, three of those critical. He did note another important piece of information there I thought was that the hospital is not on lockdown. That they are allowing visitors and patients to come in which would seem to indicate that at least in that area of the trauma center, police do not consider it a threat.