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House Debates Ahead Of Vote To Oust McCarthy; New York Judge Issues Gag Order After Trump Posts Attack On Law Clerk. Aired 3:30-4p ET

Aired October 03, 2023 - 15:30   ET

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JAKE TAPPER, CNN HOST: And what we saw happen on January 6 in terms of 2/3 of the House Republican Caucus --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Conference. Republican conference.

TAPPER: -- conference, sorry. 2/3 of the House --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I feel like you feel about he word Commonwealth.

TAPPER: I get it. 2/3 of the House Republican Conference voting to disenfranchise the Democrats, Republicans, independents of the Commonwealth of Pennsylvania and the state of Arizona, even after the bodies lay dead in the Capitol. 2/3 of them voting that way, including Speaker McCarthy. That fever didn't break that night.

DAVID CHALIAN, CNN POLITICAL DIRECTOR: No, advance it to last year's midterm elections. I mean, this is what Congressman -- I think was Congressman Alford from Missouri that was saying -- reminding the red wave that all the Republicans were anticipating in the 2022 election that did not emerge here. That -- that is a -- you can draw a direct line from Trump's lies about the 2020 election, the behavior of the Republican Conference on the 6th of January and beyond, to the 2022 nominating season for the Republican candidates to this very slim, narrow Republican majority. As to why Kevin McCarthy finds himself in (INAUDIBLE).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A Republican minority in the Senate, they could have had a majority if they had nominated more electable candidates, which was what Mitch McConnell warned about throughout the campaign.

DANA BASH, CNN CHIEF POLITICAL CORRESPONDENT: I'll just add two more data points along that line that you talked about is back to January 6. Kevin McCarthy in the immediate aftermath was enraged as it was happening, was enraged. And then?

TAPPER: Was that before or after he voted to disenfranchise the voters of Pennsylvania, of Arizona and Pennsylvania?

BASH: And then he realized if he wants to have his dream come true, to be speaker of the House, He needs to not anger the election deniers who will keep him in line to have that. It took a lot more we saw with the 15 votes when it actually came to be in January. But all of these things are connected and all of these things got him to where he is.

TAPPER: And I just want to say -- I want to -- Ashley, I'll let you talk in a second, but I just want to show, first of all, we just. He just sat down. But Congressman Steve Scalise is speaking. He is the number 2 House Republican behind Kevin McCarthy. But what's interesting is that CNN has reported that that Congressman Matt Gaetz, who is leading this rebellion, has floated in the past two of the Republicans that we've seen speaking. And I'll bring I'll next time they speak I'll bring you -- I'll point them out to you at home.

Congressman Tom Cole of Oklahoma -- who I believe is the highest ranking Native American in Congress, just for those who find that interesting. And Congressman Tom Emmer of Minnesota, we've seen him speak earlier. Those are two individuals who are actually widely respected in Congress among Democrats and Republicans. I don't know that they would be facing this crisis, as Kevin McCarthy is because I think their word is regarded more credibly among Democrats. I'm sorry, Ashley, go ahead.

ASHLEY ALLISON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: This is an opportunity for the Democrats, as Casey was saying, because. I would let this play out if I'm Akeem Jefferies and let the Republicans -- but let them look immature and like, not the adults in the room. And if we get to a point where there is a vacant speakership for a significant amount of time, step up and really be a leader and say, you know what, I'm putting politics aside.

This how this body of -- this institution, as Kevin McCarthy continues to say, must function for our government to function. And pivot that into every 2024 political ad to come for the presidency, for governorships, for the House, for the Senate. And I think voters will say enough is enough. That's actually how this will stop is when the voters are saying, I'm so sick of this faction of the Republican Party, this MAGA faction, which is led by Donald Trump, you know, what are the Republican candidates running for 2020, the 20 -- 2024 nomination saying right now. This is a moment for people to stand up and be leaders and say enough is enough. We're done with this because we need to have a functioning government.

TAPPER: Everyone stand by because we have some breaking news that is not unrelated in terms of the bigger pictures that we've been talking about here. The judge in the civil Trump fraud trial just issued a gag order. Specifically rebuking the defendant, Donald Trump, after a social media post by Mr. Trump attacking his law clerk.

Brynn Gingras is on this. And I mean, Brynn, you know, for those who thought that we had reached the bottom, apparently there is no bottom and tell us what the social media post was and what happened today.

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BRYNN GINGRAS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes, and not so unfamiliar territory when it comes to the former president, right, Jake? Well, so this was a true social post that the former president put up on Tuesday, today, showing a picture of the judge in this case and his clerk in a photo with Senate Majority Leader Chuck Schumer claiming that she is his girlfriend. Now there is no connection to our knowledge of any relationship beyond this photo that's still yet to be determined. So he put it up there basically with no truth behind this photo.

That led to the court after lunch starting later today -- about 45 minutes later -- the judge took to the bench and essentially issued a warning to a particular defendant didn't say Trump by name, but essentially said that there was a disparaging, untrue and personally identifiable post about a member of his staff. He ordered that it be deleted. It was deleted, but he said it was also emailed out to millions of people.

And he said: Personal attacks of any member of my court staff are unacceptable, inappropriate and I will not tolerate that.

And he ordered that no one speak publicly about any member of his staff, and if so, that would result in serious sanctions. So a very strict warning to the defendants. He said he had warned about anything like this prior to this trial starting. And here he is again, warning again. And at this point, we also know that Eric Trump left the courtroom after that sort of admonishment by the judge. But certainly this was a delay in this trial. This is something, of course, Jake, that we know we have seen before. Personal attacks. This one hit a little too close to home for that judge -- Jake.

TAPPER: Yes, a pretty vile insinuation and completely inappropriate for any adult, much less the defendant, much less a former president of the United States. Brynn Gingras, thank you so much.

Let's go back to our coverage of the hearing right now, the floor discussion. Here is Matt Gaetz, who is making the argument that Speaker McCarthy should be removed. Let's listen in.

REP. MATT GAETZ (R-FL): ... these bills can go. the spending may rise and fall as the years pass, but the notion that we're going to lump in the Department of Education and the Department of Labor with our military and our troops and our Border Patrol is fundamentally unserious. And I would suggest chaotic. We cannot do that. It was only because we forced that to happen. And by the way, if we continue with Speaker McCarthy, the appropriations process will go right back to what he wanted it to go back to, just a sideshow. Just a puppet show. Just something to keep the hamsters on the hamster wheel as they continue to back people up against a calendar. Centralized power with the lobbyists and special interests that move all kind of money through the leadership. And then that's how they get their way. And that's why the American people have been getting screwed, decade after decade. And I'm not going to tolerate it anymore without a fight. I reserved.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gentlemen's time is reserved. Gentleman from Oklahoma, Mr. Cole.

REP. TOM COLE (R-OK): Thank you very much Mr. Speaker, I yield two minutes to my very good friend and fellow member of the Appropriations Committee, Mr. Garcia of California.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gentleman from California, Mr. Garcia is recognized for two minutes.

REP. MICHAEL GARCIA (R-CA): Mr. Speaker, I want to recalibrate our minds on what is actually happening here today. This proceeding looks important. It feels consequential, but let's look at what else is happening across America. Today, about 300 Americans will die from fentanyl poisoning. Today, about 11,000 people will illegally penetrate our borders. Today's debt is approaching $34 trillion. Today's mortgage rates just hit a 25 year high, now approaching 8 percent. Our energy prices are again at back breaking highs with approach -- with gas approaching $8 a gallon in my district.

Today, China and the CCP grow stronger with an intent to go to war by 2027, and our military is experiencing record low retention and record low recruitment. This is the reality of today for 335 million Americans under President Joe Biden. It's a dark and scary reality.

This Republican majority here today in the House is the only firewall against the damaging far left policies of the Biden administration. The single subject appropriation bills that we were supposed to be voting on this week will literally fight to reverse the darkness of these realities and fight inflation, cut spending, secure our border while enhancing our national security, and investing in our soldiers at a meaningful level.

But today, this body filled with people in fancy suits, led by a few Republicans who are running with scissors and supported by Democrats. Who have personal issues with the speaker have uncertain intentions and even more uncertain goals, and they've decided to make today about drama. Not about solving problems and helping our constituents, but about drama.

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We need to be the no drama option for America. This party, this majority. And I fear that this self-inflicted drama of today jeopardizes our majority, and by definition removes the last layer of defense protecting America from this Biden administration. Let's dispense with the drama, do our jobs and move on with defending this beautiful country. I yield back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gentleman from Florida.

GAETZ: Yes, I'm here to solve problems too, but we have decade after decade of history showing us that you don't solve any problems with continuing resolutions and omnibus bills. That creates more problems, more debt, more inflation, more pain for American families. So the way to solve problems is to break the fever dream of governing by continuing resolution in an omnibus bill and instead return to the very single subject spending bills that we will only get if my resolution passes to vacate Speaker McCarthy. I reserved.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gentleman reserves his time. Gentleman from Oklahoma, Mr. Cole.

COLE: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, I yield two minutes to my very good friend from North Carolina, Mr. McHenry. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gentleman from North Carolina, Mr. McHenry is recognized for two minutes.

REP. PATRICK MCHENRY (R-NC): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. Every step of the way, Speaker McCarthy has been doubted. After the first speaker vote, he was mocked, right? And after 15, they called him Speaker. And even then, it was the media on the left that mocked him. With the narrowest Republican majority in a generation what do we achieve? We brought the President to the table when he stubbornly said for 100 days, they would not negotiate on the debt ceiling. I took him at his word. The speaker said no, we'll get him to the table. And sure enough, we did.

The result, the most conservative spending package we've seen in generations, the largest spending cuts year over year than any Congress has passed. Conservative outcomes. So I understand your position on the left, I understand that. But my friends on the right. Why?

And then this past weekend -- so I understand the frustration on the left and what happened on the continued resolution -- but why would we have conservatives object to that? Why will we have House members object to that? We rolled the Senate. We never roll the Senate as a House. Moreover, we never roll the Senate to get less spending and we got it this weekend.

So I understand why the left is mad. What I don't understand is why some Republicans think that that's a bad thing. The frustration for me today, I understand where the liberals are. I know you could support the constitutional order, except in a moment like this when you are questioned on that. I understand that. You can't be counted on in a moment like this with the state of the speakership. But for Republicans, why will we give up a conservative working majority for better outcomes and hand the keys over to the Democrats? Why would we do that?

And furthermore, with this record of success that we've seen Kevin McCarthy and a Republican majority produce in a Washington run by Democrats. We're going to throw that away, resulting in more liberal outcomes, not more conservative ones. So I understand why the left is where you are today. You don't like an effective conservative majority, and I don't blame you. But on the right, rethink there.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The only time is expiring. Gentleman from Florida.

GAETZ: It is lovely to hear from the principal architect of Mr. McCarthy's debt limit deal, but here's the reality. The only Republicans in America who believed that the debt limit deal was conservative are in this Chamber right now because all over America, Republicans think that when you negotiated that debt limit deal, they took your lunch money. I reserve.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gentleman reserves his time. Gentleman from Oklahoma, Mr. Cole.

COLE: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker, I yield 1 1/2 minutes to my very good friend from my home state. Gentle Lady, Miss Bice. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gentle lady from Oklahoma, Miss Bice is recognized for 1 1/2 minutes.

REP. STEPHANIE BICE (R-OK): Thank you, Mr. Speaker. I rise today in support of Speaker Kevin McCarthy. Under his leadership and a very small five seat majority House Republicans have achieved, contrary to popular belief, numerous victories. We passed the parents Bill of Rights, the lower energy costs act, to lower the cost of gasoline and restore American energy independence. The Fiscal Responsibility Act, which was one of the largest enacted cuts with enforceable spending caps in American history and HR 2, the most conservative southern border security bill history -- in history. All of this while fully funding our military and our nation's veterans.

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Let me be abundantly clear, attempting to remove Speaker McCarthy will put this House in a stalemate and paralyze our ability to fight for our constituents and instead create a fight amongst one another. We have 43 days to restore fiscal responsibility and advance conservative appropriations priorities, which is exactly what my colleagues have asked for. Instead, we are threatening any House proceedings. This is an unnecessary distraction. Working together under the leadership of Speaker McCarthy is of the utmost importance. I stand and strongly support Kevin McCarthy for Speaker of the House and I encourage my Republican colleagues to do the same. Thank you and I yield.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Cole continues to reserve his time. He has seven minutes remaining. Mr. Gates controls 5 1/2 in this one-hour debate. The gentleman from Florida is recognized.

GAETZ: I'll reserve.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gentleman reserves. Gentleman from Oklahoma, Mr. Cole.

COLE: Thank you very much, Mr. Speaker. I yield two minutes to my very good friend and our distinguished conference leader Miss Stefanik of New York.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Gentlelady from New York, Miss Stefanick is recognized for two minutes.

REP. ELISE STEFANIK (R-NY): Anyone and everyone who knows Kevin McCarthy, whether they are friend or foe, knows that Kevin McCarthy is a happy warrior. He is tireless. He has that uniquely American grit. Under Kevin's speakership that lasted 15 rounds of him never giving up. This Republican majority has exceeded all expectations.

We reopened the people's House. We passed the strongest border security bill in our nation's history. We passed an energy plan to unleash American energy dominance. We passed defense bills to support our troops. Under Kevin's leadership, he's brought hundreds and hundreds of bipartisan members of Congress to Israel, our greatest ally. He elected the most diverse class of Republicans ever, with the largest number of Republican women ever in American history. This boy from Bakersfield, he cares deeply about his constituents, his country and the American people, and that includes each and everyone of his colleagues. He's been ...

TAPPER: And welcome to THE LEAD. I'm Jake Tapper. We are following the major breaking news here in Washington, historic News. Kevin McCarthy's fate as House Speaker is about to be decided, and frankly, it does not look good for him. Any minute the House of Representatives will vote on a motion to oust him from his job. It's a vote that he tried but failed to block earlier today with eleven of his fellow House Republicans voting with every Democrat to proceed with this vote coming up to kick him out.

And if Kevin McCarthy loses this vote, coming up in just minutes, he will become the first House Speaker in the history of the United States of America to lose his job by a vote from his colleagues. It has simply never happened before. And the House of Representatives will then have to pick a new speaker which could become utter chaos. There is no obvious consensus pick at least as of now.

We're also following some breaking news out of New York. Also kind of part of the same nihilistic chaotic theme. A judge has just issued A partial gag order in Donald Trump's civil fraud case. Judge Arthur Engoron rebuked Donald Trump. Because Donald Trump went on social media and smeared one of the judge's clerks. And the judge forbade everyone involved from making any future comments about his staff. One would think that would be obvious for a defendant to not do -- about a judge who is going to decide his fate, not to mention just basic decency. But welcome to 2023.

Our reporters are in that courtroom. We will bring you all of those developments coming up on THE LEAD.

But let's start with the chaos here in DC before we go to the chaos in that New York courtroom. And CNN Chief congressional correspondent Manu Raju on Capitol Hill. Manu, 11 Republicans voted against McCarthy. I know we don't expect all 11 to vote against him in terms of firing him, but all -- he can't afford to lose more than four, right? Do we expect he's going to lose his job in a few minutes?

MANU RAJU, CNN CHIEF CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It seems very, very likely, Jake. We do expect about eleven of those of the of those 11, six are hard nose that seem absolutely unshakable at the moment. And we will see if about some of the others. A couple of them may actually vote against this effort to oust him for a variety of reasons, but that is more than six is more than he can afford to lose at this moment. He can only afford to lose four.

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Democrats are not coming to his rescue here. So we are about to see something that has never been done and seen in American history. This speaker losing a vote, getting kicked out of his job on the House floor. And as you can see here, from this very, very passionate floor debate, it is Republican on Republican. We're seeing McCarthy allies, one after one, defending his tenure in office, going after Congressman Matt Gaetz, who is targeting Kevin McCarthy's speakership, attacking his colleagues. Democrats for the most part, sitting out of this debate. He has they had them -- they could have if they wanted to, save Kevin McCarthy, have made the decision not to do that here.

So Jake, the question is afterwards what will happen next. The House can't move forward on any legislation. It is essentially paralyzed until they elect a new speaker. What will Kevin McCarthy do? The big question at the moment?

Now just a few days ago, when I asked him, will you put yourself up as a candidate if you lose? Will you go ballot after ballot after ballot? He said he would -- he said he wasn't going to give up. He said he was going to continue to fight, suggested that he was willing to do that. But just moments ago, on the way in to the House floor, he wouldn't go that far. He said we'll see when he was asked about that exact same scenario.

So has he changed his mind? What will he do? If he does go forward, that could lead to a series -- it could be pretty chaotic, Jake. Because not a single candidate could get 218 votes, assuming these 11 or so, or maybe more than four Republicans will vote for -- against him or vote for another candidate. Democrats would vote for Hakeem Jeffries to be speaker. They don't have a majority vote either.

So we could be in a situation like we saw in January. Ballot after ballot after ballot to find a new speaker of the House. One of the most important positions in all of government. The most important position here in the House and something essential for the basic issue of governing, which is why this vote at this moment, so significant, so historic and one that Kevin McCarthy is poised to lose.

TAPPER: All right, Manu Raju, we're going to check back with you in minutes. Let's bring in this panel. And we have with us as we have had for several hours, Dana Bash, David Chalian and Casey Hunt. We have Doug Heye who's been with us for a while, but we have some new folks here, Audie Cornish and Paul Begala.

And Audie, for the folks just tuning in. Let us remind people why Speaker McCarthy finds himself in this pickle. The reason that one person in the House of Representatives, in this new Congress since January of this year, why one person has the power to raise their hand and say I would like to get rid of this speaker is why.

AUDIE CORNISH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, because the speaker gave it to him in order to get that gavel one. Other way to think about it is, Republicans viewed Nancy Pelosi as having a very strong hand. They would use terms like tyrannical. It was very top down. And they said, look, we want to do it a different way. And he went along with it. This is what it looks like when you do it the way people are talking about.

The other thing is when you get up and when you actually listen to these speeches, there's like two kinds of speeches happening. One is, hey, are we not doing anything? It seems like we're not doing anything. That's the Matt Gaetz, right? Maybe your oversight is political theater. Maybe we haven't passed all the things we said we did. And then the other are people like Jim Jordan, people who are getting up and saying, no, we have done a lot. And I can see why Democrats would want to sit through this debate and say, yes, let them have this conversation and explain to the American people whether or not they can do anything they said they have or anything at all functionally. And that's actually one of the reasons why it's such a fascinating political moment, right? Not because of the sort of petty does Gaetz like McCarthy. It's more like an existential crisis in the open.

TAPPER: So Paul Begala, Matt Gaetz said something -- I forget. If it was today or yesterday. Where he said it's going to be really tough for Republicans to paint Joe Biden as feeble when he goes to the negotiating table with Kevin McCarthy and eats his lunch. I mean, he is providing sound bite after sound bite for the Biden reelection campaign.

PAUL BEGALA, CNN POLITICAL CONTRIBUTOR: Right, somewhere Joe Biden approves of that Message, right?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Somewhere Donald Trump is busy in court and I think that's another --

TAPPER: We'll get to that in a minute, we'll get to --

BEGALA: But this is their brand. Their brand is chaos. And this is their agenda. Remove the Republican speaker. Impeach the Democratic president, block every single Admiral and every single general from taking office. Oh, and shut down the government in 44 days. That's their brand. Now that is not conservative. I think that's frankly you've done a really good job of saying this is these are nihilists on this extreme. We're only talking about a dozen people. We're not talking about all Republicans.

But that nihilist caucus, that Chaos Caucus has taken over, and it is not a conservative thing at all. Ronald Reagan would never put up with what's going on there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: He's out. He is out of the --

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TAPPER: And Doug, let's talk about this because we've talked about this a little bit, but again, the idea that $33 trillion in debt is unacceptable and we're paying more on the interest on our debt every year than we are paying on a whole bunch of really important programs that benefit poor people and kids every year is outrageous. He's not wrong about that. The idea that we should be doing a lot more to help the humanitarian crisis going on in our border. He's not wrong about that. But is this doing anything to solve the problem?

DOUG HEYE, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: No, and it's not intended to. It's demonstrated -- it's intended to demonstrate that he's a tough fighter.

TAPPER: Matt Gaetz, we're talking about, I'm sorry.

HEYE: Matt Gaetz, yes. And that allows him to get all the media coverage that he wants and to raise money. We just saw Garrett Graves holding up some of the fundraising that Gaetz has done around this. And this has also been a long time coming. And I don't mean for Kevin McCarthy. I mean for Republicans.

When we went through the shutdown in 2013. That was on us. Well, I worked in House leadership at that time. We couldn't get to 218 votes. We basically ceded to the radicals in in our own conference and said they're going to touch the stove and find out they that they're going to get burned. They didn't get burned. So then Donald Trump comes, he turns the heat even higher up, and now we're finally seeing one Republican who gets burned, it just happens to be the speaker.

BASH: Can I just add to what you just said about Garrett Graves talking about Matt Gaetz. He has sent fundraising emails. I just got one. Like as he's speaking, I got one, and on it he's very clear that if you give money to him and if you click on it, you can give $5, you can give $300, it's really up to you. But if you click on it, it will help him vacate Kevin McCarthy and the arguments that he makes. Similar to that is about lying to conservatives, but the biggest sin in this e-mail that he's trying to get money for. He talks to and he deals with Democrats. I mean, Paul, I know maybe this is like a dinosaur talking, but isn't this what America, generally speaking, wants from government to work across the aisle.

TAPPER: I would love right now -- we only have a few more minutes left before they vote. Let's listen in on some of the debates. Right now we're listening to the McCarthy side. Pro McCarthy, let's listen in.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: ... and I say bring whatever comes next because we believe in the job you have done. Mr. Speaker. We believe in your -- your vision and most importantly, we are proud to call Kevin McCarthy our friend and our Speaker of the House. And with that I yield back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gentleman yields back his time. The gentleman from Florida is recognized with three minutes remaining.

GAETZ: To be clear, I tried to get one of the three podiums on the Republican side and you all wouldn't let me have him, so he sent me over here. But you know what? I'll make this argument at any desk in this building from the well, from the chair. I'll make it on every street corner in this country that Washington must change. We have to break the cycle. We have to break the fever. And I would hope truly that the reforms that we are fighting for are reforms that would last and be embraced, and that would democratize power in this institution beyond the privileged few who back us up against shut down politics and Christmases and deadlines in order to achieve their objectives.

Mr. Speaker, high inflation is on the verge of bankrupting American families. Our economy is breaking in half. A typical American family can't afford to buy a house in 99 percent of U.S. counties. Inflation is stealing more than $700.00 a month from working Americans nearly $9,000 a year.

Kevin McCarthy is the Speaker of the House of Representatives and he has failed to take a stand where it matters. So if he won't, I will. I make no apologies for defending the right of every hard-working American to afford a decent life for themselves and their families, and we have a greater opportunity to do that, and to build coalitions under new leadership. We have to rip off the Band-Aid. We have to get back on a better course.

And Mr. Speaker, I don't know how this vote's going to go. Usually when a vote comes to this floor, it's pretty predetermined. And this one I'm not so sure. But I am sure that we've made the right argument. That this place deserves single subject spending bills. That we should have 72 hours to read a bill. That's something that spends more than $100 million shouldn't be put on the suspension of the agenda such that we can't amend it. And there shouldn't be secret side deals made on a continuing resolution to lump Ukraine in with border security. That is a -- that is not right for Ukraine or border security because it fails to give either of those issues the dignity that they would require.

But we can return that dignity to this House. We can get back on a better path. We can have single subject appropriations bills. We can set a budget, a budget, top line. We haven't had a budget in this place since I was in high school. So let's get a budget. Let's get our act together. Let's get on with it. Let's vacate the chair and let's get a better speaker. I yield back.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Gentleman yields back his time all time for debate has expired without objection. The previous question is ordered.