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Lead Investigator Reveals What was Found on Kohberger's Phone; Gaza Doctors Faint from Hunger, then Keep Treating Starving Patients; UNICEF: Malnutrition Deaths Among Gaza Children up 54 Percent Since April; Trump Speaks After Arriving in Scotland. Aired 3:30-4p ET

Aired July 25, 2025 - 15:30   ET

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JESSICA DEAN, CNN HOST: As the man who killed four University of Idaho students spends the rest of his life in prison, we're now hearing from some of the officials who helped put him there.

CNN's Jean Casarez is in Idaho with a preview of her interview, which airs tonight on AC 360. Jean, you have been covering this case extensively. What did you learn in your interview?

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, I think one of the questions that everyone wants to know is why he did what he did. And I spoke with the Moscow police chief as well as the lead detective for the Idaho State Police.

And Lieutenant Darren told me that they searched high and low. They spoke with the FBI behavioralists and they could not find the reason. However, he did say to me the word that he felt with all of his education in criminal justice. And now, at that point, getting a PhD in criminal justice, he was consumed by everything. That word consumed, I think, speaks volumes in all of this.

I asked him about the injuries because he was the lead investigator that processed the scene on that very Sunday morning. I asked him about Kaylee. And not only was she stabbed so many, many times, but her face was not recognizable. I asked him if he believed a fist did it. What caused those injuries to the face?

He said it was not a fist. It was something else. He said there were marks around her mouth. I said from a knife. He said, No, something else. They don't know what it was, but he said there was something else that caused those facial injuries.

But also the phone of Bryan Kohberger. There was one active phone that they processed, and they realized that after the murders happened, he started taking photographs and being very interested in one thing -- the investigation.

Take a listen.

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CASAREZ: You collected numerous devices, but you collected an active phone that he had. What did you find on that phone?

LT. DARIN GILBERTSON, IDAHO STATE POLICE LEAD INVESTIGATOR ON KOHBERGER CASE: Well, the phone, it just provided us and matched up everything that we mostly already had. You know, we'd already conducted search warrants and had a lot of his activity, a lot of his phone usage. So, when we actually had the physical phone and we were able to do the extract of it, you know, we -- we didn't gain a lot from it.

You know, we know that he was clearing a lot of his devices and wiping things from them. We know that he used VPNs. So -- but we also did find screenshots and pictures of news coverage of Moscow of --

CASAREZ: On the case.

GILBERTSON: Correct. Correct.

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CASAREZ (on camera): He also told me that he was in Pennsylvania. He was the lead investigator to first interview Bryan Kohberger after the arrest that he actually watched the arrest as it happened remotely. And then when Bryan Kohberger was brought into the room, he met him eye to eye.

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He said it was surreal because they had focused so long on who may have done this. That was the name. And this was the person that they were beginning to investigate. And he said that from there on out, he was continually focused on this case.

DEAN: Fascinating. All right, we'll have the full interview. Jean, thank you so much for that preview.

And again, be sure to watch Jean's full interview. It's tonight at eight p.m. Eastern on AC360.

Israel says it will allow foreign nations to airdrop aid into Gaza as mass starvation and illness spread across that territory. And while ceasefire negotiations appear to be going nowhere at the moment, the latest on the crisis in the search for answers. That's next.

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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN HOST: Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu says Israel and the U.S. are now considering alternative options after both countries walked away from ceasefire negotiations with Hamas.

Today, President Trump said Hamas did not want to make a ceasefire for hostages deal in Gaza. Hamas disputes those claims, saying that a breakthrough was close.

The stalled talks that were adding to the catastrophic humanitarian crisis unfolding in Gaza. According to UNICEF, more than 100 people have died from malnutrition since the war began. 80 percent of them children, most of them recently.

An Israeli security official says it plans to allow airdrops a badly needed aid into Gaza here in the coming days. But the UN is warning that airdrops are costly and dangerous.

We're joined now by Dr. Aqsa Durrani. She is a pediatrician and epidemiologist. She's also a board member for Doctors Without Borders.

Dr. Durrani, thank you so much for being with us. First off, can you just describe the situation what you're hearing from colleagues about what it is like in Gaza right now?

DR. AQSA DURRANI, PEDIATRICIAN AND EPIDEMIOLOGIST: The situation is dystopian at best. When I left three months ago, our colleagues were only eating one meal per day, and now people are stretching meals everyone to -- you know, one meal every 2 to 3 days. We're seeing people who are being shot and killed at these supposed aid distribution sites, and our field hospitals are reaching record numbers of patients who are injured day after day.

It just, you know, when I left, I couldn't imagine that the horrors would have gotten worse. And yet each day it is getting worse.

KEILAR: Can staff and volunteers do the work they need to do when they themselves are not getting enough to eat?

DURRANI: It's impossible. You know what we -- what we're asking from them is impossible. They are hungry. They're exhausted. They have been undergoing this trauma for more than 21 months at this point, and it's it's completely unconscionable.

It's the equivalent of, you know, thousands of children starving in Central Park when you have metric tons of food locked away, you know, in Union Square in New York City. It's just miles away. And it's just a shameful, you know, a shame of humanity that we are allowing this. And all we need today is political will. We need action from our political leaders to stop this.

You know, one word from President Trump could ensure that our patients have food, that children are not begging for for food when they are maimed by airstrikes, and the things that they are crying about are that they're hungry rather than their third degree burns or their amputation. They're actually crying for food. And so, you know, we just need our colleagues need this to stop.

That is what they need.

KEILAR: As Israel will allow other countries to airdrop aid. The last time that aid was airdropped, people died, right? At one point, there were 12 people who drowned when drops missed the beach.

Do you have concerns about airdrops or things so dire at this point that maybe you think it's worth the risk?

DURRANI: Airdrops are a distraction. You know, at this point, they are, as you mentioned, they're inefficient. They're dangerous.

Food needs to be allowed in at scale. You know, we're already seeing that one in four young children and pregnant women who are coming to MSF clinics are malnourished. The tiny amount of food that airdrops will provide in this dangerous and ineffective manner is not going to work.

You know, this is just one aspect of the genocidal horrors that we're witnessing, and airdrops will not stop it. We need we need political leaders again to put an end to these genocidal horrors.

KEILAR: And I will just note Israel obviously would take issue with your description. I certainly hear what you are saying and that that is your assessment of the situation. I do want to ask you.

The Trump administration has repeatedly claimed that there's widespread theft of humanitarian aid by Hamas. But there is this new internal U.S. government review that has found no evidence of widespread theft by Hamas. What do you think the effect of this report should be on the aid effort now that it appears to have debunked a reason for restricting aid into Gaza?

DURRANI: I just want to comment on one thing that you said. I mean, of course, the Israeli government will deny that that what we're witnessing is genocide.

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But what we have witnessed and I have personally witnessed is the systematic destruction of life there. We see forced starvation, we see forced displacement, we see annihilation of the health care system. We see mass killings.

You know, we're at a loss for words that can describe this situation. But moving beyond words, we need action now. So the United States government is seeing, you know, we have not seen any, any aid diversion that is significant in our -- in our practice.

And they are confirming this. And so they need to meet their obligation to prevent genocide in order to, you know, facilitate the, you know, unimpeded access to aid through a principled aid mechanism, not through this sham mechanism of the GHF, where our, our own colleague, one of our own colleagues was killed, while seeking food aid. You know, it's, it's beyond comprehension at this point. We really need -- we need our American public to realize that taxpayer dollars are funding that these horrors and we need to speak out and we have every obligation to reach out to our government to stop this.

KEILAR: Dr. Aqsa Durrani, thank you so much. We really appreciate you being on. We see the work that your colleagues with Doctors Without Borders are doing. And we're hearing these stories. And we really appreciate you talking to us.

DURRANI: Thank you.

KEILAR: Let's go now to Scotland where President Trump is speaking after arriving moments ago on Air Force One.

DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Hello, everybody. You know, our ambassador to Scotland, and it's great to be in Scotland. We are going to be meeting with the Prime Minister, I guess tomorrow, a little bit tomorrow and the next day. And we're going to do some great things.

Do you have any questions?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: On Monday we discussed the EU. What are you meeting with Ursula?

TRUMP: Yes, I'll be meeting with the EU on Sunday and we'll be Working on a deal. We'll see if we make a deal. Ursula will be here.

Highly respected woman. So we look forward to that. That will be good.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: When you meet with Zvezda.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) can you guys meet me while you're here?

TRUMP: We'll have numerous executives that we're meeting with. A lot of them. We're going to be meeting with a lot of people. A lot of people will be staying at Turnberry. And then we're going to Aberdeen, which is the oil capital of Europe, actually.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. President, can you explain what is kind of what is missing in the U.K. deal that you have to work out?

TRUMP: Nothing we just, I think it's more of a celebration than a workout. It's a great deal for both. And we're going to have a meeting on other things other than the deal.

The deal is concluded.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: So Gaza French President Emmanuel Macron just said that officially recognize the Palestinian state. What's your comment?

TRUMP: Well, that's what he does. I mean, you know, he, that's fine if he does that, that's up to him. It's not up to me. I'm with the United States. I'm not with France.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And the situation in Gaza. We hear very dire warnings about.

TRUMP: I think it's terrible what happened with Hamas. They tapped everybody along and we'll see what happens. We'll see what response Israel has to that. But it's getting to be that time.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Are you concerned about the there's a 50-50 chance of a deal. What is left to work out? What are the final sticking points?

TRUMP: I don't know with the European Union, I think we have a good 50-50 chance. That's a lot.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What are the sticking point?

TRUMP: Well, I don't want to tell you what the sticking points are. But the sticking points are having to do with maybe 20 different things. You don't want to listen to all of them.

Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What advice are you going to have for our prime minister about free

speech. Very important to people here.

TRUMP: Well, it is. But I like your Prime Minister. He's slightly more liberal than I am, as you've probably heard. But he's a good man. He got a trade deal done. And, you know, they've been working on this deal for 12 years. He got it done. It's a good deal. It's a good deal for the U.K. So no, I'll be seeing him tomorrow, I guess tomorrow evening.

And this is our wonderful ambassadors, you know, he's doing a good job. He'll be he's a very, very successful man. He'll be doing a good job.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Royal and ancient says you're going to have to improve infrastructure at Turnberry to bring the Open back. Is that something --?

TRUMP: I don't know. The best course, the best course anywhere in the world is Turnberry. The players all want to be a Turnberry. Everybody wants to be a Turnberry.

So we'll see how that works out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The infrastructure needs to be --

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TRUMP: Oh, I think the well, the infrastructure in the course is good. In fact, the Royal and Ancient I don't know if you're aware of this, they spent a lot of money, hundreds of 1,000s of dollars, or probably into the millions of dollars. And they've laid all the wire for television and for electricity under the halls of Turnberry. So that when the open gets there, they have it all done.

They paid for that.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But were talking about roads and railway stations.

TRUMP: I don't know what you can do. All I can tell you is that it would be the best place anywhere in your country to have. There's no place like it. There's no place like Turnberry. It's the best, probably the best course in the world. And I would say Aberdeen is right up there also. Aberdeen is great.

And while we're here, I'll be with my son. And he's going to cut a ribbon for the second course at Aberdeen, which is just about equal to the first. I mean, it's going to be a battle. You know, it's as you know, they're very highly rated. And the second course is great.

Sean Connery have helped get me the permits. If it weren't for Sean Connery, we wouldn't have those great courses.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mr. President, do you read your name appearing in the Epstein files ever?

TRUMP: No, I was never, never.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ask, how? What are you hoping Todd Blanche interviewing Ghislaine Maxwell. What are you hoping that they get out of that?

TRUMP: I really have no, really nothing to say about it. She is being talked to by a very smart man, by a very good man, Todd Blanche. And I don't know anything about the conversation. I haven't really been following it.

I've been a lot of people are asking me about pardons. Obviously, this is no time to be talking about pardons. But a lot of people have asked about pardon.

This is just not a time to be talking about pardons. Todd will come back with whatever he's got. You make it a very big thing over something that's not a big thing.

You should be talking about if you're going to talk about that talk about Clinton. Talk about the former president of Harvard. Talk about all of his friends. Talk about the hedge fund guys that were with him all the time. Don't talk about Trump.

What you should be talking about is the fact that we have the greatest six months in the history of a presidency, according to a lot of people. And we had an amazing six months. And this is sort of an example of it. Now we're meeting with the European Union, having -- we're also meeting with, as you know, the head of U.K. prime minister, and I look forward to that.

But we're meeting in terms of a deal. We're meeting with the European Union, and that would be actually the biggest deal of them all if we make it.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Did you ask House Republican leaders to not vote on the resolution about release the file?

TRUMP: No, I was never -- I was never involved in that. I'm focused on making deals. I'm not focused on conspiracy theories that you are.

I mean, I watch you people. It's it's so sad. You're to talk about the success of our country instead of this nonsense.

You could talk about over and over again.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You've done an amazing job on illegal migration in America. I have people here are very worried about the situation. Record numbers. TRUMP: Well, I say I say two things to Europe. Stop the windmills. You're ruining your countries. I really mean it. It's so sad. You fly over and you see these windmills all over the place, ruining your beautiful fields and valleys and killing your birds. And if they're stuck in the ocean, ruining your oceans, stop the windmills.

And I also -- I mean, there's a couple of things I could say. But on immigration, you better get your act together or you're not going to have Europe anymore. You got to get your act together. And we, you know, as you know, last month, we had nobody entering our country. Nobody -- shut it down.

And we took out a lot of bad people that got there with Biden. Biden was a total stiff and what he allowed to happen. But you're allowing it to happen to your countries.

And you got to stop the this horrible invasion that's happening to Europe. Many countries in Europe. Some people, some leaders have not let it happen.

And they're not getting the proper credit they should. I could name them to you right now, but I'm not going to embarrass the other ones. But stop. This immigration is killing Europe.

And the other thing, stop the windmills killing the beauty of your countries. Thank you very much, everybody.

DEAN: And that was President Donald Trump upon landing there in Scotland, where he'll be spending the next several days a couple top lines from that he did confirm that he will be meeting with the head of the EU to negotiate a trade deal with them on Sunday. So looking to that, and then he was asked about the Epstein files. And you heard the reporter asked, were you ever briefed on your name appearing in those files?

And he said, No, I was never briefed.

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And then he said, there was no time to be talking about pardons. He was referring to going Ghislaine Maxwell there.

KEILAR: Yes, because there's been a question about whether he would pardon the convict -- she's been convicted for the sex trafficking of minors. He says this is no time to be talking about a pardon. Very clear, that is not a no. We'll be right back after this quick break.

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KEILAR: In a new episode of the CNN original series "BILLIONAIRE BOYS CLUB", Joe Hunt's plan for revenge on a former investor goes awry and careless mistakes expose him. As members of the club begin to turn on Hunt, he also finds himself on trial for murder.

DEAN: Life as he knows it now depends on the jury. Here's a preview.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Joe is very confident. You've got nothing on me. There is no evidence. There is no body. We don't even know that Ron is dead. You know, what's the deal?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said that he had gotten particular enjoyment out of telling Detective Zoeller that he had not done very good police work.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At that point, the seven page to do list was brought out. It's a recipe of killing an individual. It was like he had seen a ghost.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The level of the collapse of his psyche in that moment, it must have been a thing to behold.

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KEILAR: Be sure to tune in for a new episode of the CNN original series "BILLIONAIRE BOYS CLUB" that airs Sunday at 10pm Eastern. And honestly, my very favorite thing about that show is the lead in. It's just fantastic.

It is a fantastic show anchored by the Jessica Dean. Tune in. "THE ARENA" with Kasie Hunt starts right now.

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