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Ghislaine Maxwell Moved to Federal Prison Camp in Texas; Suspect in Killings of Four People Under Arrest After Weeklong Tennessee Manhunt; Netanyahu to Urge for Full Conquest of Gaza With No Ceasefire in Sight; USDA Using Drones, Movie Fight Scene to Protect Cattle. Aired 1:30-2p ET

Aired August 05, 2025 - 13:30   ET

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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN CO-ANCHOR OF "CNN NEWS CENTRAL": -- category? Being a convicted child predator who, according to victims, actually personally carried out their sexual abuse?

REP. MITCH LITTLE, (R) TEXAS STATE HOUSE: It's clear to me that these are truly horrific crimes. The level of detention seems to be commensurate with her level of threat of flight risk. And I believe that people in the Attorney General's office in the United States are making the right decision for whatever's going on there. I've not heard a word about her being pardoned or being (inaudible).

KEILAR: Oh, you haven't? The president has been asked about it multiple times. What do you think? Should she be?

LITTLE: Well, it depends on what we are getting in exchange. If we -- if we get the names of a lot of other important people who committed crimes, perhaps, that's on the table for him. But I'm not in those discussions and I think we have the right people making those decisions.

KEILAR: And you'd be comfortable with that?

LITTLE: I don't know. I guess we'll just -- we'll see what's in exchange and what's on the offer.

KEILAR: All right. Rep. Mitch Little, thank you so much for being with us.

LITTLE: Thank you, ma'am. Appreciate you.

KEILAR: Still to come. After a week-long manhunt, police in Tennessee arresting the suspect in the killing of four members of the same family. We have new details on his capture, next.

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BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CO-ANCHOR OF "CNN NEWS CENTRAL": We have a major development in a quadruple murder case in Tennessee to tell you about. Today, police arrested a 28-year-old suspect, Austin Drummond, after a week-long manhunt. Investigators have charged him with killing four people and kidnapping, and then abandoning a baby belonging to two of the victims. CNN's Ryan Young is following the details of this story. So, Ryan, how did officials find this suspect?

RYAN YOUNG, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, a lot of confusing details still about this, Boris, as we try to figure out exactly what the motive was, what was going on, and how they tracked him down. What we do know is a series of surveillance cameras really did help police sort of zero in on the suspect. In fact, I want to show our viewers right now, some of the video that we've been able to get into CNN, where you can kind of see him lurking around. And at one point, it even looks like he's still carrying a firearm as he's lurking around some of these facilities.

You look in the corner there, you see someone sort of mulling around with a backpack. He's in that far corner, and he comes out this way with that backpack on, with the hood over his head. As we watch these series of videos, you can also see what looks like a weapon, a rifle, a long weapon in that other hand right there as he is trying to gain access to this building. Luckily, those doors were locked, but you see the surveillance cameras did a pretty good job of tracking his movements around this building.

What we do know is the police department told people in that area that they needed to shelter in place until they were able to capture him. So we're not sure if the video is what caught him or the good detective work and also the follow-up the detectives had to do to track this man. But we do know at eight o'clock this morning, central time, they were able to track this man down. There's a news conference in about an hour-and-a-half from now, Boris, where we'll hopefully find out some more details.

But then there's this, the sickening part of this. Four people are dead. And that baby who was strapped in the car seat and left behind in the heat, luckily someone called 911, they were able to rescue that child from that car. I don't believe that child was harmed. But then you have the loss of life here and you can see the ages, quite young at 15 being the one of the youngest person obviously there to be killed. But so many more details about this. Robert Drummond, 28 caught, will be charged with four counts of first degree murder, more charges probably to follow, including kidnapping. So something that'll be continued to follow. Boris.

SANCHEZ: Brian Young, thank you so much for that reporting.

YOUNG: Absolutely.

SANCHEZ: Still ahead this afternoon, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu reportedly expected to ask his security cabinet to support an expansion of the war in Gaza, his goal now full conquest over the enclave. We'll take you live to the region in just moments.

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KEILAR: With ceasefire talks in Gaza at a standstill, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is expected to urge his security cabinet to back a full military conquest of the enclave and Hamas. There's also growing outrage in Israel after Hamas released those propaganda videos of emaciated Israeli hostages. And in Gaza, scenes of desperation as crowds race for aid and food as the humanitarian crisis deepens.

CNN's Matthew Chance is joining us now from Jerusalem. And Matthew, tell us what else you're learning about this possible expansion of military operations in Gaza at a time when the situation there is so precarious.

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN CHIEF GLOBAL AFFAIRS CORRESPONDENT: Yeah. Well, I mean, look, I mean, first of all, that intention of Benjamin Netanyahu, the Israeli Prime Minister, to expand the military operation is just that at the moment, it's not government policy. It still has to go through a number of steps. In fact, there's been a security meeting tonight with close security advisors of the Israeli Prime Minister, and that was a three-hour session. It's broken up and there's been a short statement released by the Prime Minister's office.

Basically saying the options were discussed for continuing the conflict in Gaza. There's going to be a full meeting of the Israeli security cabinet, which is the decision-making body, I think, when it comes to issues like this, on Thursday. And so, we may not have a sort of definitive statement on what the Israeli government will or won't do when it comes to Gaza until after that security cabinet meeting on Thursday.

So, the situation has been kicked down the road a little bit, but, the questions inside Israel and the division about what to do in Gaza is getting sort of wider by the day, particularly after the release at the weekend of those absolutely horrifying videos of a couple of Israeli hostages still surviving, but looking incredibly emaciated inside the Gaza Strip being held by Hamas and another militant group, the Palestinian Islamic Jihad. The fact that they look so frail, so thin on the sort of -- not -- on the brink of sort of catastrophic health problems, really has put pressure on the Israeli government to work out what it's going to do next.

The families, of course, of the hostages are calling for a deal with Hamas as soon as possible to get the hostages out. There are 50 Israeli hostages still inside the Gaza Strip. 20 of them approximately are believed to be still alive. And so, time is of the essence. But, there are hard liners in the Israeli cabinets, who do not want to see a deal with Hamas under any circumstances, even for the release of the Israeli hostages. They want to see conflict to destroy Hamas and to try and release the hostages that way.

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And from what we're hearing, that's the direction Benjamin Netanyahu is leaning in. But as I say, a final decision is likely not going to be made until the security cabinet meeting on Thursday.

KEILAR: All right, we'll be looking toward that. Matthew Chance, thank you for the latest there.

Coming up, the Head of NASA now wants to fast track plans to put a nuclear reactor on the moon. We'll have details ahead on that. Plus, a fight scene from the movie a "Marriage Story" is so intense that the Department of Agriculture is using it to scare wolves. We'll tell you why, next.

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KEILAR: How do you keep predatory wolves from threatening herds of livestock? The same way that you might discourage some people from getting married. According to the Wall Street Journal, you can fly drones, well, lasting AC/DC's "Thunderstruck," but also this, the scene from that 2019 movie "Marriage Story" of that heated fight between Scarlett Johansson and Adam Driver.

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SCARLETT JOHANSSON AS NICOLE BARBER, MARRIAGE STORY: How dare you compare my mother into my mother. I may be like my father, but I'm not like my mother.

ADAM DRIVER AS CHARLIE BARBER, MARRIAGE STORY: You are. And you're like my father. You are also like my mother. You are all the bad things about all of these people, but mostly your mother.

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KEILAR: OK. That's actually the low-key part of that fight.

SANCHEZ: Is it?

KEILAR: Oh, it is. Yeah.

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KEILAR: It gets worse. And this is one approach that the USDA started implementing out west after ranchers started losing dozens of cattle to gray wolves. The scene in particular is meant to send a message.

SANCHEZ: District Supervisor in Oregon, Paul Wolf. Yes, his name is Paul Wolf --

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SANCHEZ: -- told The Journal, "I need the wolves to respond and know that, hey, humans are bad." We should note that CNN has reached out to the Marriage Story's Director Noah Baumbach for comment. No response that I'm aware of yet. For more insight though, we are joined by Ron McGill. He's the Communications Director for Zoo Miami. Ron, always great to have you on. What is it about marriages falling apart, Scarlett Johansson or Adam Driver that wolves look at and say, no thanks?

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RON MCGILL, COMMUNICATIONS DIRECTOR, ZOO MIAMI: Well, listen, the common thread here, it's not just them screaming at each other. AC/DC's Thunderstruck, any kind of very strong, loud sound is going to be a deterrent. I know we'd like to think, oh, it's just this argument and they're relating to a broken marriage here. But the reality is, they're responding to a loud abrasive noise. Wolves are very sensitive to sound. And quite frankly, a lot of different organizations in different countries use sound as a mitigation to protect against predator-prey relationships with livestock.

They do it in Brazil with jaguars. They'd have speakers that are set off by motion detectors of wolves going into certain area, not wolves, but jaguars going in. That and lights, so there's all different types of mitigation. Some countries use dogs, different types of dogs to protect against livestock. So whatever works is going to be accepted. In this case, it's getting them some extra attention, which helps educate people which is good.

KEILAR: Yeah, I mean, Ron, maybe they're just entertaining us a little bit with their pics here as well. But we should note that gray wolves are still protected, right? Under the Endangered Species Act in the contiguous 48 states and Mexico, except for Minnesota, where they're considered threatened. So, the government actually has kind of this dual job of protecting the herds and the packs. Explain why this then works to do that.

MCGILL: It's exactly right because what you're doing here is you're scaring the wolves away. You're preventing livestock owners who, in the past, would kill these animals just to save their livestock. I mean, this is their livelihood. You cannot expect farmers and ranchers to sacrifice their livelihood for an animal because, at the end of the day, I'm a conservationist. I've dedicated my entire life to wildlife and to animals. But there is no single animal life that's more important than a human life. And if this is their livelihood that's being threatened, in the past, they would shoot these animals.

If we can come up with a type of mitigation, this sound for instance, scare the wolves away, livestock gets saved. Ranchers don't have to shoot wolves. It's a win-win in the long run.

SANCHEZ: We love to explore different points of view here on "CNN News Central," even ones that we may personally disagree with. I wonder, Ron, from the wolves' point of view, where else are they going to turn for food?

MCGILL: Well, there's wild stock out there. There are mule deer, there are elks, there are caribou, there are different types of wild stock. There are rabbits. There're smaller mammals. Animals have to adapt. Animals will always go for the easiest way. They're not going to say, oh, I'm going to go for this animal because that's what I should do. Or this animal tastes better than that animal. This is a matter of survival. Livestock tend to be domesticated. They tend to be easy prey. So if the wolves can get that livestock without any kind of conflict, they're going to do that. Now, if they come up with a challenge, a barrier like a sound or lights or anything that's going to scare them away, they're going to go to the area that doesn't scare them necessarily that much. And they'll learn to adapt to the natural prey that's available to them.

KEILAR: OK. So Ron, drawing from your pop culture reservoir, what song or movie scene might you draw from to stave off a predator like a gray wolf? What do you think you would play? Something, I don't know, loud or annoying or angry, any of these things?

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MCGILL: Oh gosh. I really don't know. I mean, almost anything by AC/DC, any of that stuff would go crazy. And as far as an argument goes on a show, I don't know. I don't like watching those hostile movies. They make me nervous. Geez, I don't know. So yeah, like a scary movie maybe, something like Final Destination. That opening scene where the whole thing collapses and everybody's screaming and dying and falling and going crazy. That might work.

KEILAR: I like that.

SANCHEZ: Yeah, that's pretty good.

KEILAR: What would you do, Boris?

SANCHEZ: I know what I wouldn't do. I wouldn't play the dulcet tones of Zoo Miami's Ron McGill.

KEILAR: Oh no.

SANCHEZ: Always a pleasure to have you on, Ron.

KEILAR: Always.

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SANCHEZ: His voice might attract predators, you know.

KEILAR: I know.

MCGILL: Makes me (inaudible).

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KEILAR: Thanks, Ron.

Still ahead, sources say the Trump Administration is considering whether to make the -- public the transcripts of Ghislaine Maxwell's interview with the Justice Department. CNN's new reporting on that, next.

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