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Democrats Renew Calls For Gun Control After Minnesota School Shooting; CDC Chief Ousted Less Than Two Months After Being Sworn In; Florida Official: Everglades Detention Center Likely Empty Within Days. Aired 7:30-8a ET

Aired August 28, 2025 - 07:30   ET

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SEN. AMY KLOBUCHAR (D-MN): But every situation is different.

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JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: So Sen. Chris Murphy, who was the congressman representing Newtown, Connecticut at the time of the Sandy Hook shooting, writes "We don't need to accept this life for our kids. It's our choice to subject children to this horror."

Let's get to CNN's Arlette Saenz in Washington. This is what we're hearing today. Congress gets back to work next week. One wonders whether it will even be a subject being discussed in Washington by then.

ARLETTE SAENZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, John. And Democrats are really renewing those calls for action on gun control, but even Sen. Chris Murphy acknowledged that the political will to act on that may not exist in this Republican-controlled Congress.

This is really a very familiar theme that we've seen play out after these mass shootings, including this one at that Catholic school in Minneapolis. You have Democrats saying that there could be the need for stronger background checks and also an assault weapons ban. The Minneapolis mayor, Jacob Frey, very explicitly said don't let people tell you that this isn't about guns because it is. But that would require any action on gun control would require by-in from Republicans and that does not appear to be on the table at this point.

You saw that very rare statement from first lady Melania Trump saying that they really need to focus on intervention and behavioral assessments.

But at this time it doesn't look like anything substantive on guns could actually get through on Capitol Hill.

Now, just a reminder the last comprehensive gun measure to pass on Capitol Hill was in 2022 after that massacre at Uvalde -- in Uvalde, Texas. That included sending about $750 million to states to run their crisis intervention programs. It also included more funding for mental health and school safety, as well as enhanced background checks for gun buyers between the ages of 18 and 21.

Senator Chris Murphy says that those steps that were included in that measure have borne some fruit and could be a baseline for other types of measures they can pursue in the future. Take a listen.

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SEN. CHRIS MURPHY (D-CT): The rate of mass shootings and school shootings in the country is coming down, not going up. And it started coming down in 2022 when we passed the first significant anti-gun violence bill in 30 years. But we now have proof of concept in this country that if you are more careful about putting guns in the hands of dangerous people you can save thousands of lives. The mythology that the gun lobby has disseminated across this country for decades that more guns makes us more safe -- that's just empirically false.

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SAENZ: Now this shooting played out while lawmakers were still on their August recess. They are set to return to Congress next week so we will see whether there will be any further discussions on ways to address some of the issues stemming from this shooting as many have basically gone into their typical corners in this gun control debate.

BERMAN: Arlette Saenz for us in Washington. Arlette, thank you very much -- Erica.

ERICA HILL, CNN ANCHOR: There are new details emerging this morning about those anxious moments in Minneapolis as shots rang out, and also about those who jumped to help.

Pat Scallen lives near the school and ran directly when he heard the shots and heard it was happening. Pat, appreciate you joining us this morning.

You said that you jumped in instinctively and made your way to the scene. You were actually on the scene even before some first responders helping to comfort some of those children. Can you walk us through those moments?

PAT SCALLEN, MINNEAPOLIS SCHOOL SHOOTING WITNESS (via Webex by Cisco): Yeah. So I have my home office about half a block -- in my home -- from the church. So I heard the first noise, and I didn't think much of it. But then around the 10th -- or 10th shot I knew it that something was wrong. And I -- and it was -- and it was clearly from the direction of the school, and I assumed the worst. So I immediately just got up and I ran up there to see what I could do to help.

And when I got to the scene it was eerily quiet. I did see a magazine from the shooter's gun there -- and I assume it was from the shooter's gun. And then it -- I walked around the front -- to the front of the church and that's when all the kids were starting to come out, and it was very chaotic, and it was -- it was a - it wasn't a good scene. HILL: No, absolutely not. You were able to comfort some of the children there -- really important in those moments -- including one young girl in particular.

Can you tell us that story?

SCALLEN: Yeah. So I -- when I got there I looked around and maybe they just came to me. I can't remember. But there were three kids in particular -- one that wasn't that injured and then this one girl with the -- that was shot in the -- shot in the head. And then there was one that was shot in the throat. And the one that was shot in the head -- they both were talking and conscious and alert, but she just wanted me to hold her hand.

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And, you know, we talked about her mom and what was going to happen. And I told them the ambulance and police were going to come, and she was going to have to go to the hospital. And I just -- but I tried to reassure her that everything was going to be OK and that her parents were going to be there as soon as possible.

And I was really watching the girl with the bullet in the neck to make sure her situation didn't deteriorate anymore.

HILL: Yeah.

SCALLEN: I don't have medical training so I would have done the best I could.

HILL: Well, it's so important just to -- just to be that comfort in that moment for these girls -- to help keep them calm as well in those moments before first responders arrived.

SCALLEN: Yeah.

HILL: I'm not sure if you were able to connect at all with their families afterwards. Have you been able to?

SCALLEN: Yes. The girl that was shot in the -- in the head, I have received a couple of text updates. She went through surgery, I think successfully. I don't -- I assume she's going to recover well. But I know her surgery had been completed. She may need another surgery. But other than that, that's about what I know.

I don't know anything about the girl that was shot in the neck.

HILL: Yeah. You're forever linked to those -- to those young girls.

This is -- you know, this is your community. You mentioned you're about half a block away and a former student at the school.

Can you talk to us about the Annunciation community and the greater community in your neighborhood?

SCALLEN: Yeah. You know, Annunciation Church and parish are now over -- it's now over 100 years old. It's an -- it's an institution in this neighborhood.

And this is a wonderful neighborhood in south Minneapolis. We're near three Great Lakes -- Lake -- right within a mile or two from here. It's just a great -- and it's a great community. Very nice people. Good solid neighborhoods, dedicated.

And the church and the school continues to be just wonderful. The tradition carries on. Very committed parents, really faith-driven. And, you know, everything is good in this area. You know, yesterday has disrupted that but we'll get through it.

HILL: Yeah. And from everything I've heard I would imagine that all of that will be coming into play as you collectively keep your arms tight around one another.

Pat, appreciate you joining us today to share your story. I'm sure you're still processing a lot of what you saw as well. Thank you.

BERMAN: All right. Breaking overnight, serious upheaval at the CDC. The director, Dr. Susan Monarez, ousted just weeks into her tenure. She just had Senate confirmation and now she's gone. Other officials resigned just after the departure leaving the agency really rudderless.

Let's get right to CNN health reporter Jacqueline Howard for the latest. What happened, why it happened, and what's going on now?

JACQUELINE HOWARD, CNN HEALTH REPORTER: John, it is a chaotic situation and this is something that can have the potential to have public health implications.

Here is what developed overnight.

We know that the White House sent out this statement saying, "Susan Monarez is not aligned with the president's agenda of Making America Healthy Again. Since Susan Monarez refused to resign despite informing HHS leadership of her intent to do so, the White House has terminated Monarez from her position with the CDC."

Now in response, John, we did hear from Dr. Monarez's attorneys. They had this to say in a statement. "Our client was notified tonight..." -- of course, that's referring to last night -- "...by White House staff in the personnel office that she was fired. As a presidential appointee, Senate confirmed officer, only the president himself can fire her. For this reason, we reject notification Dr. Monarez has received as legally deficient, and she remains as CDC director. We have notified the White House counsel of our position."

Now John, this is all happening just weeks after Dr. Monarez was sworn in on July 31. And we do know that she has had different opinions and philosophies around vaccines compared with HHS Secretary R.F. Kennedy Jr. And we know, John, that this is happening just about -- just over two weeks after there was an active shooter on CDC's campus here in Atlanta. So this is, again, a chaotic situation.

And, as you mentioned, following these developments with Dr. Monarez, we have heard other CDC leadership stepping down as -- really, we're seeing an exodus right now in leadership -- again, which can have implications since it's unclear who will be steering the ship moving forward at this agency, John.

BERMAN: All right, Jacqueline Howard. Thank you very much.

That really only scratches the surface of the chaos --

HOWARD: Yeah.

BERMAN: -- this morning.

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With us, Michael Blake, a former vice-chair of the DNC and former Obama White House aide, and CNN senior political commentator Scott Jennings.

We'll get to the policy in just a second, Scott, but Senate confirmed, like, a few weeks ago. Just started the job. This is not like a Biden holdover; this is someone that the Trump administration selected and put through the Senate and won confirmation, and now she's gone -- fired.

SCOTT JENNINGS, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL COMMENTATOR, FORMER SPECIAL ASSISTANT TO PRESIDENT GEORGE W. BUSH: And now they'll have to do it again. I mean, that's the thing. Once you lose a Senate confirmed position you've got to go back in and do it again. So I assume the confirmation hearings for the next person will be somewhat difficult. So it'll probably mean a prolonged session at the CDC without a -- without a Senate confirmed director.

It doesn't mean they can't operate. It doesn't mean the White House can't use its policy priorities over there. But it's still -- it'll create a vacancy that they'll now have to work through one more time.

These Senate confirmed positions -- you know, you've got to find somebody. You've got to vet them. You've got to put them through the process. It's not a short thing.

BERMAN: And the reporting in The New York Times and The Washington Post -- I think which broke this story -- is this is a fight over vaccine policy. That the CDC director would not agree with recommendations that Robert Kennedy, Secretary of Health and Human Services, wanted to pass through.

So what questions does that raise for you?

MICHAEL BLAKE, FORMER VICE CHAIR, DNC, CEO, KAIROS DEMOCRACY & ATLAS STRATEGY GROUP, FORMER OBAMA WHITE HOUSE AIDE, FORMER NEW YORK ASSEMBLY MEMBER: It reminds us again about the incompetence of the Trump administration. Let's be clear that it wasn't just the CDC director but those four other officials who left because they were saying we need to actually have healthy regulations and make sure we are taking care of our communities. And to fire them shows that the Trump administration is not serious in any regard. I was born with a heart murmur. I have a mother who has beaten breast

cancer. When we think about the responsibilities, every single one of us needs to have an actual responsible medical policy.

And the Trump administration is not at all stating that they believe that they are actually right when it comes to policy. It's just that they're upset that someone is actually saying that they're wrong.

BERMAN: Well, I -- from what I have seen your heart is quite strong, at least when you're here with us on CNN, and I think we could all agree on that.

Secretary Robert Kennedy Jr. obviously thinks what he thinks about vaccines. His confirmation very complicated. Senator Bill Cassidy of Louisiana needed to be convinced that he was going to be in favor -- or not work against vaccines, Scott.

Where do you think Robert Kennedy stands right now in the Trump administration? How much more runway does he have here?

JENNINGS: Well, I think the "Make America Healthy Again" agenda has quite a lot of support in the administration. I frankly think it has quite a lot of support among the American people. It's why a lot of people were drawn in to the Trump campaign who didn't otherwise consider themselves to be political people.

And look, I do think a lot of people have legitimate questions out there about some of the ways our public health regime has been run in recent years. I do think the CDC and other public health organizations didn't exactly cover themselves in glory during COVID, for instance. That's why we're having a crisis in confidence in these institutions right now.

But as it relates to the reason he exists -- this whole "Make America Healthy Again" agenda -- he has quite a lot of popular support for it and in the White House and in the administration, I think people realize this is a powerful force in our sort of current public affairs environment.

BERMAN: But insofar you did have questions about the systems here in the organization, you don't think it's a good look when someone is gone after being Senate confirmed a few weeks ago?

JENNINGS: Look, I think if you confirm someone and a few weeks later --

BERMAN: Yeah.

JENNINGS: -- they're gone, it is a -- it is a P.R. problem. But then it's a bit of a governance problem because you have to get the next person. They have be researched, vetted, and confirmed.

BERMAN: It's also a policy -- it's also a policy problem. If you can't get on the same page as --

(CROSSTALK) JENNINGS: I will just say it is --

BLAKE: It's clearly a policy problem.

Look, from a public health crisis let's make sure we're clear about this. The greatest public health crisis we're watching right now is around gun violence and our hearts should be going out to what's happening in Minnesota, but we also need to make sure we need to get guns off the streets.

And the reality is you have an administration that cannot articulate any responsible health policy in any regard. They're firing people at the CDC. You can turn your head if you want, Scott, but you can -- this is facts. We're seeing what's going on with FEMA right now. They spend more time ousting people rather than trying to heal people right now.

And so --

JENNINGS: They didn't fire -- they didn't fire people. One person was fired. The other people resigned.

BLAKE: Again, Scott, I waited for your point. So look, you can have your talking points and I'll --

JENNINGS: You shouldn't lie. They didn't fire them.

BLAKE: -- state the policy facts.

So on -- it is the anniversary of the march on Washington where we should be talking about "I have a dream." We have families waking up to the latest nightmare of losing someone.

And when we talk about a public health crisis that is happening right now, you have an administration that is literally saying you have to leave because we don't agree with you speaking up -- from the CDC to FEMA. Let's be very clear. The more than 30 individuals that they suspended -- they suspended them out of the frustration that they spoke up, not because they were inaccurate with the facts.

BERMAN: This is FEMA you're talking about the letter that was written and signed --

BLAKE: All intertwined.

BERMAN: -- by 30 people, current and former, who then were placed on administrative leave just yesterday.

BLAKE: Around the -- around the -- around the same premise point --

BERMAN: It -- but -- but --

BLAKE: -- of speaking up against an administration.

BERMAN: I actually -- I want to go to different subjects unless you want to make one last point here. JENNINGS: Well, I just -- I mean, look, the elected administration -- whoever it is, it is their prerogative to install people who will execute on their policy priorities. You know, we don't typically let bureaucrats or appointees tell the president what to do. It's the other way around.

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BERMAN: I want to ask one question about something that happened a few days ago but really, the results came to light.

There was a special election for a Senate seat in Iowa -- a State Senate seat. You know, Senate special -- the Senate district 1 -- the special election there. And it flipped. The Democrat won the special election, Catelin Drey, by 10 points. This was a Trump, plus 11 district. So it went from Trump, plus 11, to Democrat, plus 11 here.

There is a glass half full-glass half empty look here. But Michael, for you, what do you see here?

BLAKE: Well, in a state that I have a lot of experience in, I led constituency outreach in Iowa for Sen. Obama. We saw a focus on affordability and making it very clear around public education and what's happening in our communities.

And the Republican candidate actually could not articulate how they're helping people. And at the end of the day the reason why Republicans are terrified right now is that they cannot articulate a policy agenda.

She was abundantly clear it is too expensive living in America right now when nearly 60 percent of Americans do not have $1,000 in their bank accounts. She won a district that the Republican had won by more than 10 points himself when he ran previously. Because at the end of the day we are saying we will help you pay your bills while Republicans are just driving up your bills.

BERMAN: And again, Democrats around the country look at this as a reason for hope.

Scott, there were fewer than 8,000 people who voted in this election --

JENNINGS: Yeah.

BERMAN: -- but how nervous should it make Republicans?

JENNINGS: Well, it doesn't make me very nervous to hear Democrats, with a straight face, looking into a television camera and saying boy, how did we get to this affordability crisis given that we all know how we got there over the last four years. And the president --

BLAKE: Right -- the disaster of Donald Trump. You're absolutely right.

JENNINGS: So you're saying we had no affordability crisis during the Biden years? Where did the inflation come from? BLAKE: I will say that -- I will -- I will -- I will say this the difference between someone who led policy in the White House and someone who talked about it.

So Republican presidents --

JENNINGS: You can't answer the question?

BLAKE: I just --

JENNINGS: Did inflation go up or not?

BLAKE: Inflation --

JENNINGS: Did inflation go up or not?

BLAKE: Inflation has gone up under --

JENNINGS: Did inflation go up under Biden or not?

BLAKE: -- every Republican presidency --

JENNINGS: Be honest.

BLAKE: -- and it is actually --

JENNINGS: What's killing your party is a failure to be honest with the American people about --

BLAKE: And so I --

JENNINGS: -- why you lost the last election.

BERMAN: Michael, you go -- and Scott -- Michael, Michael --

JENNINGS: Here's the issue.

BLAKE: I can say it, too, sir.

BERMAN: Michael, you go -- and then Scott, you go.

JENNINGS: Here's the issue.

BERMAN: Hang on, Scott. Hang on, Scott. Go ahead, Michael, quickly.

BLAKE: So to the question, at the end of the day the reason why they just lost in Iowa is that they cannot articulate how they're helping people pay their bills -- simply put.

BERMAN: Scott?

JENNINGS: It's a special election.

Here's the reality. It is absolutely true Democrats now have more voters who are regular voters in non-traditional elections -- specials, off-year, what have you. That's absolutely true. And so you've seen a pattern of Democrats doing better in these elections that don't happen in a regular occurrence. They have more voters who turn out every time.

Until Republicans solve this it will continue to be a problem, but it is not determinative of a regularly scheduled election or a presidential election. So I think there's a danger for Democrats to overrate it, but Republicans shouldn't underrate it either.

BERMAN: Scott Jennings, Michael, thank you both --

BLAKE: Thank you.

BERMAN: -- so much for being with us this morning -- Erica.

HILL: Just ahead here why the controversial detention center dubbed "Alligator Alcatraz" could soon be empty within a matter of days.

And why one high school decided to remove the bathroom doors, and why students are fighting and what they're doing to get them back.

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BERMAN: This morning Minnesota sports team focused on the school shooting there.

Let's get right to CNN's Andy Scholes for the latest. Good morning, Andy.

ANDY SCHOLES, CNN SPORTS ANCHOR: Yeah, good morning, John.

So the Vikings, Twins, Timberwolves, Lynx, and Wild -- they all put out statements saying that they are just heartbroken by the tragic shooting in their community.

And Lynx head coach Cheryl Reeve, when speaking about what happened at practice, said "It's sad. Nothing will ever change."

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CHERYL REEVE, HEAD COACH, MINNESOTA LYNX: It's such an indictment of our society and our lack of regard for life. There are things that we can do about it, and we know, but for some reasons as Americans we value something different. It's sickening. It's sad for the kids -- sad for the kids to grow up like this. Sad for kids that walk through the door and not know what's going to happen.

Our hearts go out to obviously the lives lost, kids that are hurt, the teachers that have to go through this, families that drop their kids off at schools and don't have their kid come home. Our hearts go out to them. The sad thing is we can't sit here and tell them that help is on the way because we're not going to do a damn thing about it."

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SCHOLES: And the Lynx are going to host the Storm tonight and they're expected to pay tribute to the victims prior to the game.

All right. The U.S. Open, meanwhile -- there was a heated exchange between Latvia's Jelena Ostapenko and American Taylor Townsend after Townsend won the match. Ostapenko was mad that Townsend did not say sorry after being helped by the net during a point.

And here was Townsend on this exchange.

TAYLOR TOWNSEND, BEAT JELENA OSTAPENSKO IN SECOND ROUND OF U.S. OPEN: She told me that I have no education, no class, and to see what happens if we play each other outside of the U.S. And I said, you know, I'm excited. Bring it. Um, you know, I've never been one to back down from anything like that.

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SCHOLES: Now a reporter also asked Townsend if she thought there were racist undertones in Ostapenko's comments, and she said she didn't take it that way. And Ostapensko later posted to social media saying she got lots of messages that she was racist and added, "I was never racist in my life, and I respect all nations of people in the world."

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But John, Townsend is the number one ranked women's doubles player, so she -- if she does well and Ostapenko does well in doubles they could end up facing each other again there in New York.

BERMAN: Oh, wow -- all right. Well, that'll be awkward, right? I mean, it really was. You don't see this between two players on a tennis court -- you just don't. The players go after the ref and the umps but not each other like that.

Andy Scholes, thank you very much.

SCHOLES: Yeah.

BERMAN: Erica.

HILL: Police in --

BERMAN: Oh, Erica, you're here. Hey, you're right here.

HILL: Hi, John Berman.

BERMAN: Hey! How are you?

HILL: Yeah. I've got a few headlines for you.

BERMAN: All right, do some news. How about having some news?

HILL: Let's begin in Southern California, shall we?

BERMAN: Let's do some news right here.

HILL: Right. Southern California, where police say a crime ring is behind the theft of some $10 million worth of merchandise from multiple Home Depot stores. The D.A.'s office releasing this surveillance video -- I think we have it -- which shows the suspects sneaking items off the shelves in one store. At least nine people have now been charged. They're accused of carrying out some 600 thefts this year alone.

And the alleged ring leader is suspected of telling his crews to focus on high-end electrical merchandise -- things like dimmer switches, circuit breakers. And investigators say he would then take those items, resell them at this business, and that some family members were also selling them on eBay.

The exterior doors to some restrooms gone at one Illinois high school. School administrators say this was all in response to repeated complaints of students vaping, skipping class, and other inappropriate behavior. So just to put this in context it's similar to what you'd see at an airport in terms of the exterior doors not being there. And officials say it's working.

Perhaps not surprisingly, not everyone is on board, and some students feel the removal of those doors poses both a safety and a privacy risk, and students have launched a petition to get the doors back. Currently more than 400 signatures. We'll see if it works, John.

BERMAN: In my experience privacy useful in the bathroom.

All right. New this morning the migrant detention facility dubbed "Alligator Alcatraz" could be empty very soon. In an email a top Florida official says the controversial site in the Everglades will probably be down to "zero individuals within a few days."

Let's get right to CNN's Isabel Rosales for the latest on this. What's this email all about?

ISABEL ROSALES, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: John, good morning.

Last Friday, South Florida Rabbi Mario Rojzman emailed the Florida Division of Emergency Management -- the executive director Kevin Guthrie -- inquiring about chaplaincy services over at the Everglades detention facility.

Now, CNN obtained this email exchange from the rabbi and in it, Guthrie says this. "We are probably going to be down to zero individuals within a few days," suggesting that soon there would be no detainees left and therefore no need for these religious services.

Now what's the significance of this? Well, this shows that behind the scenes, Florida is quickly moving to follow a federal judge's legal order -- this order from Kathleen -- Judge Kathleen Williams that the facility essentially be shut down before Halloween -- within 60 days. Generators, sewage, gas, fencing -- all of these things be removed and the population continue to dwindle is her expectation in her 82-page ruling.

Now, last night this judge also denied a motion by the state and by the federal government to stay her preliminary injunction, meaning that if her order moves forward the facility must be shut down.

Now as a reminder, "Alligator Alcatraz," as it's been dubbed by the state, was put up in just eight days back in July with the state signing contracts of more than $245 million for the building and operating of this facility.

But John, it seems that the state was aware that this could be a possibility because they have a backup -- a so-called deportation depot up in northern Florida -- John.

BERMAN: All right, Isabel Rosales. New developments there. Good to have you watching them. Thank you -- Erica.

HILL: Wiretapped jail calls and video of an undercover operation. That's just some of the latest evidence to be presented in the trial of Donna Adelson. She, of course, is the Florida woman who is accused in the murder-for-hire of her son-in-law.

On Wednesday, jurors saw video of an agent posing as a gang member approaching Donna on the street.

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INFORMANT POSING AS A LATIN KINGS GANG MEMBER: Excuse me, Mrs. Adelson? There you go. I just want to give you this. Um, listen --

DONNA ADELSON, ON TRIAL FOR PLOTTING MURDER OF HER EX-SON-IN-LAW: Who are you?

INFORMANT POSING AS A LATIN KINGS GANG MEMBER: (Laughing).

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HILL: CNN's Jean Casarez has been following all of these developments and is joining me now. So Jean, what was the purpose of that meeting on the street?

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN REPORTER: It had been two years since the murders. The FBI had moved in. They got authorized by a judge -- a wiretap to monitor conversations in real time. But they weren't talking about murders anymore. It was two years later.

So they needed to -- FBI language -- tickle the wire, and this was an informant posing as a Latin Kings gang member. And he handed a piece of paper. It had Dan's name on it. It had a phone number and $5,000. Donna went home. She immediately called her son Charles. That was recorded too. He was part of that conversation.

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D. ADELSON: After work or some other time in the very near future, I'm going to need to speak with you.

CHARLES ADELSON, SON OF DONNA ADELSON: Did someone write a letter to you or something?

D. ADELSON: I've got some -- I got some paperwork hand-delivered to me."

C. ADELSON: You're being sued?