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Study says Tariffs will Increase Poverty; D.C. Emergency Declaration Ends; Trump Unhappy over Israel's Strike; Mark Duplass is Interviewed about "The Morning Show." Aired 9:30-10a ET

Aired September 10, 2025 - 09:30   ET

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JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: All right, new data just in. It shows inflation cooled at the wholesale level in August. We get a look at consumer data tomorrow.

Separate from that, a new analysis shows that tariffs could end up pushing more Americans into poverty.

CNN's Matt Egan covering that angle for us this morning.

Matt, what are you learning?

MATT EGAN, CNN SENIOR REPORTER: Well, John, you got to remember that tariffs, they tend to hit low-income Americans the hardest. And that's because lower income Americans, they tend to spend a bigger chunk of their paychecks. And they tend to spend more on imports. And of course imports are what are most exposed to tariffs.

And so that's why the Budget Lab has this new analysis out finding that these tariffs, they could increase the number of Americans falling into poverty. They're saying that these tariffs that are already in effect, they're going to increase the number of people falling below the poverty line by 875,000. That should be 875,000. In terms of how many people are considered in poverty. That's according to the Yale Budget Lab.

When they look at the official poverty measure, which is a long running metric on poverty, that includes 375,000 children in poverty.

Now, if you want to look at a more conservative measure, there's also the supplemental poverty measure. And even under that category, the Yale Budget Lab says that the tariffs that are in effect are going to increase the number of people that are in poverty by 650,000. And again, that includes 150,000 children.

Now, when you look at this on a percentage basis, it's not quite as dramatic. But still, any increase of people in poverty is concerning, especially when you're not talking about some sort of economic disaster, natural -- natural disaster, an act of war, right? This is an intentional policy decision that the administration has taken. And they're doing this, of course, with tariffs because they're trying to revive American manufacturing. But economists are concerned about higher prices. And when there's higher prices for people who are living paycheck to paycheck, that's a big deal.

One other point here. Got to remember that we're not talking about a subtle increase in tariffs. We're talking about a historic one. The Budget Lab says that the average effective tariff rate, 17.4 percent. That's tariffs that are charged by the United States taxes on imports. That's the highest, John, in almost a century, since 1935.

BERMAN: And if you can't afford to pay more, you can't afford to pay more.

EGAN: Exactly.

BERMAN: Matt Egan, thank you very much.

EGAN: Thanks, John.

BERMAN: Kate.

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Today, President Trump's 30-day emergency declaration in in Washington, D.C., runs out, meaning, starting tomorrow, the president no longer has the authority to take over the local police and D.C. officials regain control.

But there's more to it. Gabe Cohen joining us now, tracking all of this for us.

So, what is going to happen now today?

GABE COHEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Kate -- Kate, you touched on a big piece of it, that as of tomorrow the president loses his authority to essentially commandeer any local police services that he wants for federal purposes. So, what does that mean? That means now D.C.'s mayor and the police chief, as of tomorrow, are going to regain that power, that authority to refuse to help the federal government with, say, immigration enforcement. That's one area where we are likely to see local officials here in D.C. try to put up some roadblocks and refuse to assist.

But overall, this surge that we have seen, Kate, in federal law enforcement, in National Guard troops across the nation's capital is most likely going to continue for the foreseeable future.

Let's talk about the violent crime numbers. They are down about 40 percent overall across this emergency, arrests up about 29 percent. And even local officials have really credited that collaboration between D.C. police and federal officers who have been assisting with, in particular, overnight operations. Really filling this manpower shortage that district leaders in Washington have been complaining about for years now. A law enforcement source put it really bluntly to me. They said, "this is not elaborate. The sheer number of officers added to these areas has evidently created a fear among those who commit crime in the city, and they seem to be standing back for now."

And the mayor has made it clear, that collaboration and the presence of federal law enforcement is going to continue. Here's what she told reporters just yesterday.

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MAYOR MURIEL BOWSER (D), WASHINGTON, D.C.: Federal agents and officers have always been able to stop people. They have arrest authority in the district. And that -- that won't change.

But we will continue, as my mayor's order lays out, partnerships with the federal government that are strategic for public safety.

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COHEN: And -- and, Kate, in recent weeks, we have really seen Mayor Bowser largely cooperate with this administration to avoid provoking the president and risking a more aggressive federal intervention. And so you can expect there is going to continue to be this level of cooperation between the two sides.

That said, the mayor has been openly critical about masked ICE agents making arrests and about the National Guard patrolling,

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Their orders say they're going to be here through at least November. We'll see if there's any negotiation back and forth there.

But when I mentioned the mayor's office being really concerned about the federal -- this administration ramping up its federal takeover, well, today we're seeing a potential next phase of that with Republicans in Congress marking up more than a dozen bills that are -- would strip away at least some of D.C.'s home rule, its autonomy. That is a major concern for the mayor and for other local officials who are going to try to fight that.

So, everything here has been about picking their battles, and we're going to see when Trump loses that authority tomorrow what battles local officials decide to fight.

BOLDUAN: Yes, it looks like there could be some big battles ahead for sure.

Gabe, thanks so much for the reporting. I appreciate it.

We have breaking news overnight. For the first time, Poland has shot down Russian drones that entered its airspace. Poland says Russia violated that airspace 19 times. And now NATO leaders will be gathering for a meeting after what could be Putin's latest test for the west.

And a Russian mega-yacht costing the U.S. millions of dollars. Why? And what's a U.S. government to do about it? Sell it off, of course, on the big, deep, I guess we call it, discount.

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[09:40:38] BERMAN: New reporting into CNN this morning, there are growing doubts among Israeli officials over the success of Israel's unprecedented strikes targeting Hamas leaders inside Qatar, which is a critical U.S. ally. President Trump claimed he's very unhappy with the strikes.

Joining us now is Admiral James Stavridis. He is the former NATO supreme allied commander, a partner of the Carlyle Group, an international investment firm.

Admiral, thanks so much for being with us.

OK, so if Israel did not take out the intended targets, the question is, was it worth it in terms of whatever destabilization it might mean for the region?

ADM. JAMES STAVRIDIS (RET.), CNN SENIOR MILITARY ANALYST: I say, no, it was not worth it. And I'll give you three reasons. Tactically, this really diminishes the opportunity for life for the hostages.

Secondly, operationally, I think this is going to only encourage Israel to continue ground operations in Gaza that's going to kill thousands of civilians, probably hundreds of Israeli troops as well.

And strategically, John, is the worst of all because you've launched a strike into a sovereign nation, into a very close ally of the United States. I've been to Doha, the capital, too many times to count because it's our largest airbase in the region, al Udeid, very well hosted by the Qataris.

So, you have managed to stress the relationship with the U.S., stress the relationship with the Europeans, and, above all, it makes it impossible for the Arabs to go forward with the next phase of the Arab Accords. It's just not a good trade-off for Israel.

BERMAN: We will see in the coming days as we get more reports in about the success or failure of the operation, but it certainly puts the U.S. in a delicate position, caught between two allies there.

STAVRIDIS: Yes.

BERMAN: I want to shift gears to Europe right now because something happened overnight that's unprecedented at many different levels. Poland says it shot down Russian drones over its airspace, which would be a violation of -- of NATO airspace. There were NATO nations that apparently flew in planes in air support here.

How serious do you see this incident, Admiral?

STAVRIDIS: John, I think it could get very serious. And you've probably read the historian Barbara Tuchman's magisterial book --

BERMAN: "The Guns of August."

STAVRIDIS: "The Guns of August," exactly. Well, this could be the drones and missiles of September the way things are going. And Russia, of course, nuclear armed. NATO, nuclear armed. What the Poles are doing about it, smart move, they've convened an Article Four meeting. We all know Article Five, an attack on one is an attack on all. There's a step before that. It's an Article Four conference. That's unfolding today in Brussels.

What I'm hoping to conclude is that the Russians will, at a minimum, say, this is inadvertent. Those drones ended up over there because the Ukrainians interfered with them electronically. This could escalate in a very bad way. Again, "Guns of August." How about the drones of September? I'm worried.

BERMAN: Again, now, I suppose there is that possibility that somehow they went off course there. There had been reports that Russian drones had violated the airspace in previous occasions. Obviously, you know, you know more about this than almost any person walking the earth, having been supreme, you know, allied commander of NATO before, Admiral.

But one wonders if it wasn't an accident. If it wasn't an accident, what does it tell you about what Vladimir Putin, how Russia feels right now about its position.

STAVRIDIS: It shows you that Vladimir Putin feels like he's got the wind in his sails, as would put it in a nautical sense. Look at that summit in Beijing where he was toasted and feted by Xi Jinping, by Kim Jong-un, and most concerningly, by Narendra Modi of India. So, he's feeling pretty bold.

And yes, John, I think it is possible a dozen, two dozen of those drones were sent deliberately across that border. And that puts us in very dangerous territory.

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Hopefully, the intelligence services in the west are able to differentiate that. I suspect that's topic one in Brussels this morning.

BERMAN: Yes, very quickly, in like 30 seconds or less, is there anything NATO can do that would -- that would be threatening to Russia?

STAVRIDIS: Certainly, that would be increasing the level of weapons and the reach of those weapons that you put in the hands of the Ukrainians. Ukrainians are more than happy to act aggressively if we give them longer range weapon systems, more F-16 fighters. They can do that for us.

BERMAN: Admiral James Stavridis, always great to see you. Thank you so much for coming in.

So, a cesspool of infighting, sex, drama and intrigue. What happens behind the scenes at a morning show? Not this one, as far as you know.

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[09:50:24] BERMAN: All right, new this morning, drama, intrigue. All the behind the scenes plot twists you can handle in a network news setting.

BOLDUAN: What?

BERMAN: Fictional. Fictional in this case. Brand new season of "The Morning Show" on Apple TV+ drops one week from today.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. I mean, yes, it's --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Upsetting, right?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Disturbing.

That's our entire communication thus far.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So, this is why I'm here.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: My source is somewhere inside the network. They knew that Mia was coming to recruit me before I did. For some reason, this Wolf River story got killed at UBA. I'm going to figure out why.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bradley.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Work with me.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Wait, what?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think we could break this together. You and I are such a good team. We dug up so (INAUDIBLE) Paul Marks (ph).

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. And we also lost our jobs.

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BERMAN: All right, there he is.

MARK DUPLASS, ACTOR, WRITER AND DIRECTOR: Look at that. Look at that.

BERMAN: With us now, award winning actor, writer, director, Mark Duplass, aka the executive producer Chip Black in "The Morning Show."

It's great to see you.

DUPLASS: Good to see you guys.

BERMAN: How do you executive produce a good morning show? Asking for a friend.

DUPLASS: I don't know. I'm an actor. I like to come in and say the words that they write for me. It is --

BOLDUAN: It's like you're an anchor on -- just kidding.

DUPLASS: Exactly. No, it is fun when I come to these shows and I usually see, you know, somebody in, like, a slightly cheap blazer with a mustard stain on it.

BERMAN: This isn't cheap.

BOLDUAN: What?

DUPLASS: And they come up to me and they're like -- no, not -- no, it's not you.

BERMAN: OK.

DUPLASS: It's the EP from behind the scenes. And they're like, I'm the Chip of this show. Thank you. Thank you.

BOLDUAN: (INAUDIBLE).

DUPLASS: I feel seen. I feel seen now. Yes.

BOLDUAN: It's quite a -- quite a unique group.

DUPLASS: Yes.

BOLDUAN: You're fired and you're back.

DUPLASS: Yes. Fired and back.

BOLDUAN: How'd you get back? Tell us what to expect.

DUPLASS: Well, when you drop a bunch of f bombs -- I don't know if you guys ever tried it. It doesn't go well, apparently.

BOLDUAN: It's on our to-do list for this year.

DUPLASS: OK. Yes, you should try it. I mean the day is long, you know?

BOLDUAN: This is true.

DUPLASS: So, Chip now finds himself in the independent sector. He's producing, you know, independent documentaries. And -- and he's a lot less stressed out, which is good.

But when Bradley brings him sort of the -- the strands of this small conspiracy that quickly turns into a sort of, you know, massive octopus with tentacles leading back to UBN, leading back to all of his personal relationships, you know, he kind of gets dragged back in.

But, I mean, the truth is, like, Chip says he wants to be more relaxed, but, like, he --

BOLDUAN: It's an addiction.

DUPLASS: He's not alive unless he's around -- BOLDUAN: It's the adrenaline.

DUPLASS: He needs to be in a scrum, you know?

BOLDUAN: Yes.

BERMAN: I mean, how much research did you do into what it's like in television news? And where do you find -- or what do you make of the tension that is very real behind the scenes?

DUPLASS: Yes. Well, I was cocky going into season one because I was like, I'm an independent film and TV producer. I deal with personalities. I deal with all this stuff all day long. I was like, I pretty much -- I think I got this, you know? And then when I started talking with consultants and realized, that live element is really, I think, the thing that makes people go bananas. You're nodding your heads. Yes. Yes.

BOLDUAN: I mean --

BERMAN: I mean --

BOLDUAN: We do three hours of live television, 15 hours of live TV a week, yes.

BERMAN: Yes.

DUPLASS: Yes. And so, once I think I really felt that, that's when I began to understand the nature of the stress eating and the early heart attacks that happen in your business. So, yes.

BOLDUAN: When you guys kicked off -- did you have something else? You look excited.

BERMAN: No, no, no, no, no. When you said stress, it -- it -- I was going to segue into something serious, but you -- go --

BOLDUAN: Oh, go.

BERMAN: Well --

BOLDUAN: No, nothing I want to say is serious.

BERMAN: You said stress eating -- stress eating and all this stuff here. In the show their -- there are mental health issues, you know, for Chip.

DUPLASS: Yes. Yes.

BERMAN: And this is something you've been very open with in your real life also.

DUPLASS: Absolutely. Yes. I mean I -- I really like -- I -- I go on my Instagram account and I just talk about my life. I talk about my struggles with mental health. I talk about depression, anxiety, the medication I take. This is normal for me and my group of friends. Like, we go to a dinner party and we're like, what medication are you taking right now? And I realized that this hadn't yet been, I guess, destigmatized on a national level.

BOLDUAN: It's still not in a lot of ways.

DUPLASS: No. and I think particularly for men. Like, I don't -- I don't want to be reductive about it, but I think, in general, men are having a hard time talking about it. So, I was like, all right, well, if I can just be a small part of the conversation and look you all in the eye and be like, it's OK. You're not weak. We're all struggling. You're going to be fine. Just, you know, just know that you can talk about it.

BOLDUAN: Can I now go back --

BERMAN: Yes. Sorry, sorry, sorry.

BOLDUAN: So, season one -- when you guys started off as season one, did you -- no one ever really expected, like, this is -- I'm sure this is going to be a huge hit and we're going to be at this for multiple seasons. What do you think has kept you guys going now into multiple seasons?

DUPLASS: Well, we have two things going for us. We have Reese Witherspoon and we have Jennifer Aniston. OK.

BOLDUAN: It's as simple as that?

DUPLASS: Who -- who -- I mean, listen, they're incredible actors. They're also our producers.

BERMAN: Yes, they're also your bosses, so you have to say that.

DUPLASS: They're incredible bosses. Guys, they're incredible. They're incredible.

BOLDUAN: (INAUDIBLE), love you. Love you. Love you.

DUPLASS: I'm a robot. But they -- they really are great.

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And they've set this show up for success. I thought we'd be, like, maybe two seasons and done. You know, we'd be like, apples cool, like, starter wife show, and then they'd get rid of us because we're so expensive, you know, and then -- but they've kept us around. And that's a testament to, to the ladies who run the ship.

BOLDUAN: Do you like news more or less after playing it on TV?

DUPLASS: That's a complicated question.

BERMAN: More. More.

DUPLASS: More/

BERMAN: The right answer is more.

DUPLASS: The right answer is more. So, I like it a lot less, honestly, really when it comes down to it.

BOLDUAN: (INAUDIBLE).

DUPLASS: I mean, look, I think what -- I think what it's done for me is made me be more hyper vigilant about where I get my sources, and I try not to do the thing I used to do a lot of, which is read a headline and show up to a dinner party and talk as if I knew something about it. It's like, read the full article. Read the full article.

BOLDUAN: There you go.

DUPLASS: Yes.

BOLDUAN: Good advice today.

BERMAN: Mark Duplass, you're a friend of CNN NEWS CENTRAL. We love having you here. We love the work you do on television, also in your community, out after the fires in Los Angeles. All -- everywhere. So, thank you for everything you're doing.

DUPLASS: Thanks for having me, guys.

BOLDUAN: It's nice to see you. Thank you.

Where we going? What camera? It's the game we love to play. That one.

Thanks so much for joining us.

BERMAN: We'll ask the executive producer, Mark Duplass, sitting right here.

This has been CNN NEWS CENTRAL. "THE SITUATION ROOM" is up next.

BOLDUAN: Look at Ellie (ph).

BERMAN: Yes.

BOLDUAN: Go, Ellie.

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