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Aired October 10, 2025 - 09:30   ET

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BOLDUAN: New this morning, the Trump administration is now appealing the ruling that blocked the president's National Guard deployment around Chicago, blocked it for two weeks. Another federal judge has blocked agents from using certain crowd control tactics near an ICE facility that's right outside of Chicago. That order came down after video surfaced -- it was this video, of a pastor being hit in the head with pepper balls while praying outside of the site.

CNN's Whitney Wild is joining us now live near that ICE facility. And what is the latest here? What do we know about what this appeal means? What the judge's order means? What are you hearing?

WHITENEY WILD, CNN LAW ENFORCEMENT CORRESPONDENT: Well, there are several outstanding questions here, Kate. And the question had been, after this ruling came down, whether or not the National Guard was going to maintain their presence here while this went through appeal. And what you see here, Kate, and I'll just kind of orient you toward the building here, we do not see a single member of the National Guard outside Broadview. Although, over the last few days, that had been visible. Right now, again, we do not see a single member of the National Guard.

New this morning, Kate, this fence here has been up since September 22nd. There had been a push by city officials to bring this down. They were concerned that it would impede an emergency response. There was also concern about, you know, the people who live here, the people who work here, these impositions that DHS has put on the people who have to live and work here every day. A judge, just minutes, ago ruling that this fence has to come down. Both sides have until 2:00 this afternoon, Central Time, to propose how that's actually going to happen.

Back to this ruling on the National Guard. This is a major win for Illinois officials. Here's more from Illinois Attorney General Kwame Raoul.

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KWAME RAOUL, ATTORNEY GENERAL, ILLINOIS: I'd like to thank the heroes behind me. Who have stood up not just for the citizens of the City of Chicago, citizens of the City of Broadview, citizens of the state of Illinois, but I might add that this is an important decision, not just for the state of Illinois, but for the entire country.

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WILD: Kate, right now we will have to see what happens with the appeal, what the timeline for that looks like. I want to point out what the judge said during this hearing yesterday as she was questioning quite aggressively the Department of Justice. And what she said was that she felt like the chemical agents that were deployed against protesters and members of the press were indiscriminate. They appeared arbitrary. And then, finally, she said there is just nothing to prove that there is actually a rebellion inside the United States. These were, you know, basically the core reasons that she decided that the National Guard would fall under this temporary restraining order. And she was issuing, again, this partial ruling that gives a major win to Illinois leaders there. Kate.

BOLDUAN: And also, Whitney, quite something to see the attorney general there be overcome with emotion as they were talking about this and the legal fight ahead. That's quite something. It's good to see you, Whitney. Thank you so much for being there. Sara?

SIDNER: All right. Ahead, a fiery debate as the race for Virginia governor nears its end. Why this state race has national implications. And despite his own push for the honor, the Nobel Peace Prize did not go to President Trump. But the White House has something to say about it this morning.

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SIDNER: All right. This morning, the showdown in Virginia. The battle for governor getting fiery during the only scheduled debate. Former Congresswoman Abigail Spanberger and current Lieutenant Governor Winsome Earle-Sears trading barbs on several issues. But perhaps one of the biggest flashpoints is about that controversy over Democratic Attorney General Candidate Jay Jones, who admitted sending text messages about the hypothetical killing of a Republican lawmaker.

CNN's National Politics Correspondent Eva McKend is in Norfolk for us. Was there a winner in this? It seemed there was a lot of interrupting and a lot of attacks back and forth.

EVA MCKEND, CNN NATIONAL POLITICS CORRESPONDENT: Sara, it's perhaps no surprise that the lieutenant governor came out hot at the debate because she has long trailed Abigail Spanberger in public polling. And so, clearly her team saw this as an opportunity to reset here. And the campaign now wants to make the entire campaign about these violent text messages from Jay Jones.

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And while Spanberger was evasive when asked about them, she didn't distance herself from Jones or say that he needed to drop out of the contest, Earle-Sears was also evasive when asked about past comments Trump has made. Let's take a look at how this played out on the debate stage.

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ABIGAIL SPANBERGER (D), VIRGINIA GOVERNOR CANDIDATE: The comments that Jay Jones made are absolutely abhorrent. I denounced them when I learned of them and I will denounce them every opportunity I get.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: What you're saying is that as of now you still endorse Jay Jones as attorney general.

SPANBERGER: I'm saying as of now it's up to every voter to make their own individual decision.

WINSOME EARLE-SEARS (R), VIRGINIA GOVERNOR CANDIDATE: You have little girls. Would it take him pulling the trigger? Is that what would do it? And then you would say he needs to get out of the race, Abigail? You have nothing to say?

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MCKEND: Now, time will tell how much Jones' text messages become a liability for Spanberger. But I can tell you from speaking to voters here in Norfolk, many of them Democrats, they haven't heard about the issue, many of them, or they say that they're more concerned about voting for Democrats up and down the ballot that are going to fight Trump. Virginia, of course, home to so many federal workers that are impacted by what's going on in Washington. Sara.

SIDNER: Eva McKend, thank you so much. I really do appreciate it. John.

BERMAN: All right. With us now, Marc Short, former chief of staff and senior adviser to then-Vice President Mike Pence, also former White House director of message planning for President Biden, Meghan Hays. And for the purposes of this discussion, I don't want to necessarily litigate the Jay Jones text specifically in Virginia, but I am interested in the issue of damage control, how a candidate like former Congressman Spanberger deals with that, Marc, especially in the age of Trump, who's dealt with so many scandals of his own and others making, you know, one wonders how he would have responded to that act compared to how she did.

MARC SHORT, FORMER CHIEF OF STAFF AND SENIOR ADVISER FOR ARGENTINA AND FORMER LEGISLATIVE AFFAIRS DIRECTOR, FIRST TRUMP ADMIN.: Well, look, I think Trump's a unique figure, John, but at the same time, I still feel it's outrageous that not one Democrat nationally has called for Jay Jones to step aside when he calls for assassination of a political opponent, an assassination of that opponent's family is just incredible.

And I think you saw how uncomfortable Spanberger was trying to address it. She wasn't clear in saying it. She just said, you know, I'm going to let the voters decide and I'm out. And I don't think that's what Americans or Virginians are looking for in a leader.

BERMAN: Meghan, what do you think, again, about how Spanberger has handled the issue, which was not up for making, by the way?

MEGHAN HAYS, FORMER BIDEN WHITE HOUSE DIRECTOR OF MESSAGE PLANNING: Right. I agree with Marc, I do think that Democrats should be calling for him to step down. I think that having leaders that have integrity and have morals and have -- you know, want to tone down the rhetoric is what we need right now. And I do think that he should step aside. I understand where she's coming from and that the ballots are already out and people have already cast their votes for who they want to vote for. And so, it is up to the people of Virginia, but I actually don't think it is a hard decision to say he needs to step down.

BERMAN: I want to ask about something that jumped off the page to me from The New York Times yesterday, and it has to do with the deployment of National Guard troops around the country from President Trump. The Times talked to Oklahoma Governor Kevin Stitt, who is a Republican, like a conservative Republican, and asked Governor Stitt about the National Guard from Texas, the Texas National Guard, being sent to Illinois, eight.

And this is what Stitt told The New York Times. He said, we believe in the federal system, that's state rights. Oklahomans would lose their mind if Pritzker in Illinois sent troops down to Oklahoma during the Biden administration.

SHORT: I think Governor Stitt's 100 percent correct. I think that conservatives would lose their mind if you saw Biden or Obama take, you know, National Guard from Illinois and send them to Oklahoma or to Texas against their will. I think the reality is that the president does have an ability to send National Guard troops, as he has to Portland, per se, when there's writing to protect federal buildings, or to say, I'm going to send them to Memphis, as a Republican governor has asked for that help.

But against the will of a governor who has the sovereign rights over that state to do law enforcement is a totally different step that I think Governor Stitt's 100 percent correct on this.

BERMAN: And what do you think he's saying, Meghan, about Republican Governor Abbott from Texas? I mean, Governor Stitt and Governor Abbott, they share a pretty big border there, and it seems to be a certain type of criticism.

HAYS: Absolutely. I do think that he is pointing out that Governor Abbott is being complicit to Donald Trump and wanting to militarize our streets in a way that is unconstitutional and most Americans do not want. And it's pretty gross, if you ask me. And so, I do think that the Oklahoma governor is calling out Governor Abbott here and saying, friend, you should think twice, because you want a Democrat doing this to you next time they're in power.

BERMAN: I want to ask something. I just had a chance to talk to Congresswoman Ayanna Pressley from Massachusetts. I put this question to her about this apparent U.S. bailout of Argentina. It's not getting a tremendous amount of play here, but it's a lot of money. It's $20 billion to Argentina here. Marc Short, you know, traditional, conservative, pro-business Republican, what do you think about that? [09:45:00]

SHORT: I think that conservative, pro-business president of Argentina, Milei, has done a great job in bringing reforms and regulatory reforms to that country. But it's not our job to bail out their currency. What he should be doing is floating the currency, not relying upon other countries to prop it up.

And I think it's extra painful for many of the farmers in America who are being hurt by this administration's tariff policy, and yet, they see $20 billion go to Argentina, and then communist China buy soybeans from Argentina, potentially having been propped up with our taxpayer dollars. So, I think there's a lot of problems with this.

BERMAN: Marc was just bringing up, Meghan, this issue which is really bubbling under the surface in the United States, which is farmers in general right now are in desperate straits, dire straits, and particularly soybean farmers. China's buying zero soybeans from the United States, and usually makes up like 40 percent of the market. And so, you have these farmers, and we've spoken to some of them, saying, well, wait a second here. You're giving money to a different country to buy soybeans from China? I know it's complicated, but what's not complicated is that there are U.S. farmers right now who are really suffering.

HAYS: Yes, absolutely, and they're going to be offered subsidies from money that we're making on tariffs. Why have the tariffs in the first place? It doesn't make any sense. We're giving a country $20 billion when people in our country can't afford health care? I mean, it's a really bad political move, I think, for Trump, but it's bad economically for a president who said he was being elected to lower costs. He's doing the exact opposite. And now, we're starting to see he cares more about other countries than he does the people of this country.

BERMAN: I was going to say, a bizarre level of agreement between Marc Short and Meghan Hays.

SHORT: It's uncomfortable.

BERMAN: On three for three issues, I can see the discomfort stemming from both of you on this this morning, but I wish you all a wonderful weekend. Thank you very much.

SHORT: Thanks, John.

BERMAN: Kate.

BOLDUAN: I was standing here going, did I hear what I just heard? All right. Still ahead for us, more than a dozen thieves caught on video stealing hundreds of thousands of pounds of clothes from charity. And we went to break bread with Tony Shalhoub, with the funniest and most delicious vocabulary lesson that we left with.

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BOLDUAN: So, Drake's defamation lawsuit against his own label is officially toast. A federal judge dismissed his case over Kendrick Lamar's Grammy winning diss track, "Not Like Us," saying -- in dismissing it, saying the incendiary lyrics, including alluding to Drake being a, quote/unquote, "certified pedophile" in the lyrics, are clearly opinion, not fact. Drake sued Universal Music Group, not Lamar, but the court sided with the label, who called the case frivolous. Drake says he plans to appeal the decision.

Then, police on Long Island say they have now arrested more than a dozen people accused of stealing hundreds of thousands of pounds of donated clothing from charity bins across Suffolk County. And you see how they pulled it off, shoving their entire bodies into the donation bins and then emptying them of all the clothes. And they did that hundreds of times over the last year. WCBS reports 16 people arrested, including juveniles, have been charged with grand larceny and burglary. The charity said that it had lost an estimated $750,000 because of that theft. John.

BERMAN: That's crazy. All right. The CNN original series, "Breaking Bread," takes viewers around the world with award winning actor, Tony Shalhoub, to discover how bread connects people. Kate and I had the chance to hop in the Food Network's test kitchen with, not Sara, she wasn't there. Kate and I went to the Food Network's test kitchen, that's Kate, we went. We were there with Tony Shalhoub and Chef Camari Mick, to bake, not to get baked, completely different. Watch.

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BERMAN: We are at the Food Network test kitchen for the CNN original series --

BOLDUAN: "Tony Shalhoub: Breaking Bread."

BERMAN: And we are making plantain coffee cake with Chef Camari Mick.

CAMARI MICK, CHEF: So, we're going to make our coffee cake with a creaming method. That means we're going to take our butter and our sugar, and we're going to paddle that together. A little vanilla extract to help round out the flavor.

TONY SHALHOUB, HOST, "BREAKING BREAD": Nice.

MICK: And we're going to kick it up a notch. One by one, Tony --

SIDNER: Yes, one by one.

MICK: -- can we add our eggs?

BOLDUAN: One by one.

MICK: One by one.

SHALHOUB: OK. One by one.

MICK: We're going to mix our dries together. So, our flour, baking soda, baking powder, and salt.

BOLDUAN: This is a whisk.

BERMAN: OK.

BOLDUAN: And this is whisking.

SHALHOUB: And next we're going to have some whiskey.

BOLDUAN: Thank you. Finally, Tony, finally. Tony, according to our sources, you are one of 10 children.

SHALHOUB: I am on the second youngest of 10.

BOLDUAN: How much bread was consumed in that household?

SHALHOUB: You know, it's -- a lot. We had -- you know, our kitchen, we had kind of a banquette where we all sat around, and my mother would shoot them across the table like this. It was -- yes.

BOLDUAN: Was that where you get your flowering techniques?

SHALHOUB: That's right, yes.

MICK: This is yogurt. This is going to add a little bit of acid to it, and you're going to have a really lovely proof and a very spongy cake. So, our secret ingredient, our plantain.

BOLDUAN: I have been saying it wrong.

MICK: Yes.

BOLDUAN: All along.

SHALHOUB: Me too.

MICK: It's OK.

BOLDUAN: It's not plantain.

MICK: No, no, no, no. It's not mountain. It's plantain.

BERMAN: Why plantains?

MICK: So, this is very popular throughout the whole Caribbean diaspora. Honestly, the African diaspora. It's the nostalgia of it all that comes in play for me.

Let's grab that pan, and we can set our cake.

BERMAN: What is this here? This is --

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MICK: So, we have a little bit of sourdough streusel. Since we are talking bread, I wanted to incorporate sourdough into the streusel itself. So, we have a little bit of sourdough discard and sourdough breadcrumbs to give it a little bit more texture. And then, we can generously top that streusel on.

BOLDUAN: I'm going to do it.

SHALHOUB: Lovely.

BERMAN: Oh, wow.

MICK: Yes. Beautiful. So, we're going to bake this at 350 for 35 minutes until it's nice and golden brown on the top. And after 35 minutes.

SHALHOUB: Oh, my.

MICK: Nice and healthy, golden brown.

BERMAN: So, this is a breakfast bread, we would say.

MICK: You can have pastries at any time of the day.

BOLDUAN: Wait, this is a perfect opportunity to talk about how prominently your mustache plays in this series.

SHALHOUB: I'm constantly wiping food off.

BERMAN: It's really good, by the way.

BOLDUAN: Cheers.

SHALHOUB: You don't even have to eat this, you can just smelling it --

BERMAN: It smells so good.

SHALHOUB: Oh, my God.

BERMAN: Hey, Tony, I have to say, you're the lucky one because three hours from now, you can have it again right from the mustache.

SHALHOUB: That's right.

BOLDUAN: Cheers. To you, chef, and cheers to your new original series.

SHALHOUB: Oh, thank you so much. I really appreciate that.

BOLDUAN: For real, this is so good, chef.

MICK: Thank you.

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SIDNER: My mouth's watering.

BERMAN: It really was was so good. It really was so good. SIDNER: You know what, didn't even save me a freaking piece.

BERMAN: A new episode --

BOLDUAN: I don't like --

BERMAN: A new episode of CNN's original series, "Tony Shalhoub: Breaking Bread" premieres Sunday at 9:00 p.m. Eastern and Pacific only on CNN.

BOLDUAN: Wait. I chose the wrong one still.

BERMAN: You will see more --

BOLDUAN: Ellie. It's like a Friday game. Which camera is Ellie going to not shoot so I can't look at the right one?

SIDNER: You know what, the Situation Room is going to save us because they're up next.

BOLDUAN: Please do.

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