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Student Killed, Another Wounded After Shooting at Kentucky State University; Fed to Announce 2025's Final Interest-rate Decision Soon; Australia Bans Social Media for All Users Under 16; Daughter of Venezuela's Machado Accepts Nobel Peace Prize for Her; Navy Says Two Aircraft Recovered After Crash Into South China Sea; Sophie Kinsella Dies at 55; Philip Rivers, 44, Comes Out of Retirement to Join the Colts. Aired 1:30-2p ET

Aired December 10, 2025 - 13:30   ET

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ANTHONY JONES, STUDENT, KENTUCKY STATE UNIVERSITY: -- Heard that.

RYAN YOUNG, CNN SENIOR NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yeah, this shooting happened outside of Whitney M. Young Residence Hall on campus. There were so many people who were scared by that gunfire that happened there. They said once the officers arrived though, they were able to take the suspect into custody. Now, there have been a lot of rumors surrounding what may have happened on campus. We are hoping that around two o'clock, when they have this news conference, detectives will be able to share exactly what they know so far and we can learn whether or not the suspect has been cooperating with police.

But obviously, a campus shaken, classes canceled for the end of the year in terms of the next week because so many kids were going home for fall break. You could understand why so many people have questions about the shooting and why the suspect was on campus.

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN CO-ANCHOR OF "CNN NEWS CENTRAL": Ryan Young, thanks so much for the update there. Coming up, a big decision coming up for the Federal Reserve, help the weakening jobs market or put out the smoldering fire of inflation. An announcement now just 30 minutes away, we're going to bring it to you live.

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SANCHEZ: We're now just moments away from learning the Federal Reserve's decision on interest rates as Wall Street anxiously awaits word on another potential quarter point rate cut. We are set to hear from Fed Chair Jerome Powell in the next hour. Before that happens, let's get some perspective with former Deputy Assistant Secretary at the Treasury Department, Aaron Klein. He's now a senior fellow at the Brookings Institute. Aaron, thanks so much for being with us. Safe to say that a cut is coming.

AARON KLEIN, FORMER DEPUTY ASSISTANT SECRETARY: Yeah. I mean, look, everything's been telegraphed from the Fed to the markets that there's going to be a 25-basis point cut now. The question is what's going on in the future? Is this it? Are they going to cut more in next year? Two or three cuts more? And the other question is, how are people -- how many people are going to dissent?

SANCHEZ: Right.

KLEIN: Look, three of the seven Fed sitting governors are up in Trump's celebrity White House Federal Reserve apprentice game to be the next Chair. And how many of them are going to do Trump's biddings and argue for a bigger rate cut?

SANCHEZ: I wonder what you make of the dance that the Fed is now trying to perform, the delicate dance between potentially worsening inflation, which is still sitting just at about three percent and trying to help the job market, which even with incomplete data shows signs of lagging.

KLEIN: Yeah, no look -- look, look, look, you look up to the economic sky and it's divided, right? Everybody, maybe so, you're going to have this great strong economy. Maybe not, you're going to have all this inflation. It's difficult to know. The Fed is in a really tough predicament and making matters worse, it's flying a little bit blind because all this key economic data about inflation, about unemployment, about the overall health of the economy has vanished because of the government shutdown. So, the Fed has less information now and a more complicated choice to make.

And so, that's why I think what they're going to do is be very punty, is kind of be a bit of a Rorschach test, is say we're cutting 25 now. We don't know what we're going to do. We have a little less data than normal. We're going to be very data dependent. I suspect if you're doing an over/under on the number of data dependence that Powell is going to do in his press conference, pound the over because he's going to be saying, we don't know. And that's OK. That's fair.

SANCHEZ: So then, how does he give a forecast for next year's economic outlook? Is that going to be kind of like shaking an eight ball?

KLEIN: It's absolutely going to be cloudy. Right? Right. He isn't going to know. And he's going to say that. What he's going to do is present a forecast for the whole FOMC, which is going to have some pretty far divergence. This is a more divergent monetary policy group than has been the case for decades. You have Stephen Miran sitting dual hated. He is Trump's chief economist while Trump is talking crazy interest rates over here. And you have the new president of Kansas City Federal Reserve who voted against a rate cut at all last time. And Powell's going to have to steer this car, which is going to be difficult.

SANCHEZ: You mentioned a moment ago, the potential for a successor to Jerome Powell being named. Kevin Hassett is thought to be the front runner, the Director of the National Economic Council.

KLEIN: Yeah.

SANCHEZ: Another name that's been brought up is former Fed Governor, Kevin Warsh. What do you make of these choices?

KLEIN: Well, look, I think they're both very intelligent men. I have known Kevin Warsh for a long time, actually helped work on his first nomination to the Federal Reserve when he was a governor and a White House staffer back then. You have your two Kevins. I tend to think Trump is going to lean back on Bessent and go there, I think

SANCHEZ: I thought Bessent said he didn't want that job.

KLEIN: A lot of people have said they don't want something and then end up doing it.

SANCHEZ: Yeah.

KLEIN: And I think Bessent is looking at that as a possible future. So I wouldn't rule him out. I think Kevin Warsh has gone through the Trump vetting process multiple times and not been chosen for something. So, I think Trump is not yet sure where he is going and he's enjoying this. Look, at one moment he said he'd made his choice. Then yesterday, he said he's going to go back and have more interviews. At one moment, there were three finalists. Now he's added a fourth in Governor Bowman.

I think he's trying to manipulate the sitting members of the Federal Reserve. Notice you didn't mention Chris Waller and Michelle Bowman, both governors there, who Trump has talked about as well as a BlackRock executive, into possibly being more accommodative to monetary policy in the short run. Because I think Trump views is more focused on what the stock market did yesterday or today or tomorrow than he is on the long-term health of the economy, which is where the Federal Reserve is meant to focus.

SANCHEZ: Yeah. Aaron Klein, great to get your perspective. Thanks.

KLEIN: Thanks, Boris.

SANCHEZ: Brianna?

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN CO-ANCHOR OF "CNN NEWS CENTRAL": Australia just became the first country ever to ban social media apps for kids under age 16. The new restriction went into effect today and is seen as the most sweeping government effort to shield children from potentially harmful content. The list includes all the apps that you know, perhaps a few that you didn't -- Snapchat, Facebook, Instagram, Reddit, TikTok, just to name a few of them.

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Parental advocates say they're overjoyed.

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WAYNE HOLDSWORTH, PARENTAL ADVOCATE: Our kids that we've lost haven't died in vain because, today, they'll be looking down. Very proud of the work that we've all done.

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CNN's Anna Cooban is here with more details on this. Anna, how is this being enforced?

ANNA COOBAN, CNN BUSINESS AND ECONOMICS REPORTER: Well, it's going to be enforced through a number of ways. Now, what these platforms are going to have to do is show that they're really taking the effort to make sure these young people are not on the platform, to kick them off the platform if they find a way onto there. And so, if they don't show that they're making these reasonable steps in the words of the Australian government, then they are liable to pay fines of up to 50 million Australian dollars.

But age ramification tools include the use of artificial intelligence systems. There's video selfies that can purport to know a person's age or of course, issues there with questions around accuracy, but also potentially official documentation for these young people showing that they are the age they say they are. Now there are some questions about, are you -- if you're a young person under 16 that you're traveling to Australia, a visiting student, is this going to apply to you? But what the Australian government is saying is that the ordinary residents of Australia, these young people, they're the ones that are really going to be impacted by this.

KEILAR: What are kids saying?

COOBAN: Well, young people are, a lot of them, very unhappy about this. You've got to remember, this is the way that a lot of them primarily communicate. It's also a way a lot of them get their news. It's the way that they access media, they understand the world. But instead of me talking about what they're thinking, this is what young people themselves had to say about this

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NOAH JONES, PLAINTIFF SUING AUSTRALIA OVER SOCIAL MEDIA BAN: Taking away how we communicate to the world. This is how we do it. It's the modern day; it's social media. There are definitely negatives on social media. I'm not denying that. I completely agree. We're saying that getting rid of the kids is not the solution. We didn't do anything wrong

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's kind of disappointing because that's like my main source of communication or like entertainment, you know? It's obviously a change and I think it will impact my life, but it's something I can get used to.

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COOBAN: So this is something that countries and jurisdictions around the world are watching very eagerly to see how it pans out and potentially emulate for themselves, Brianna.

KEILAR: Anna Cooban, thank you so much. Obviously, a lot of conversation being sparked by this story. After hiding for more than a year, Venezuela's opposition leader says that she's on her way to Oslo. All of this, despite missing the ceremony to award her the Nobel Peace Prize. Hear her new message to the people of Venezuela after the break.

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SANCHEZ: The daughter of Venezuela's Opposition Leader, Maria Corina Machado, spoke of the country's fight for democracy as she accepted this year's Nobel Peace Prize in Norway on behalf of her mother. Machado, who lives in hiding, was unable to attend. Organizers though say that she is safe and expected to arrive in Oslo in the near future. They added that Machado had done everything in her power to attend, but that her journey involved extreme danger. In an audio recording released before the ceremony, we heard directly from the opposition leader.

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MARIA CORINA MACHADO, VENEZUELAN OPPOSITION LEADER: So many people that risk their lives in order for me to arrive in Oslo, and I am very grateful to them. And this is a measure of what this recognition means to the Venezuelan people.

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SANCHEZ: CNN's Pau Mosquera is in Oslo for us. So, what more did we hear from Machado and her daughter?

PAU MOSQUERA, CNN EN ESPANOL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Boris, the latest we know is that Machado should be getting here to Oslo in the next few hours. But we don't have any specific schedule or time that she may arrive to the Norwegian capital. What we know as the Nobel incident has released an audio of a phone call between her and the president of the Norwegian committee for the Nobel is that, during the morning she was boarding to a plane and bounded for Oslo. So we don't know when, but it should happen as we say, in the next few hours.

And actually Boris, the expectation for Maria Corina here in Oslo has been very high, not just today, but in the 48 last hours. We have seen like dozens of Venezuelans coming around this grand hotel that you can see behind me. That is the place where the winner of the Peace Nobel is supposed to be staying once he/she is visiting the city. But they haven't had the chance, obviously, to get a glimpse of her.

And that's why today, we have seen Maria Corina's daughter, Anna Corina accepting the award on her behalf. The speech that she has read, well, it actually has been everything that Maria Karina has written by her hand. But before studying, we have seen her very emotional, saying that she cannot wait to meet her mother after almost two years and give her a very warm hug. Let's have a listen.

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ANNA CORINA SOSA, DAUGHTER OF VENEZUELAN OPPOSITION LEADER MARIA CORINA MACHADO: And as I wait that moment to hug her, to kiss her, to embrace her after two years. I think of the other daughters and sons who do not get to see their mothers today.

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This is what drives her, what drives all of us. She wants to live in a free Venezuela and she will never give up on that purpose. That is why, we all know and I know that she will be back in Venezuela very soon.

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MOSQUERA: You saw it, a very emotional moment. And right now, as many others are waiting here outside of the hotel, Anna Corina is waiting for that very special moment after almost two years to see her mom in live and well, actually inside the hotel, I can tell you, Boris, that it's not just Anna Corina who is inside, but also her mother, Corina Parisca and her sister, Clara Machado, Boris.

SANCHEZ: And Pau, there were demonstrations outside of that street as well, outside of the ceremony, people showing support for her.

MOSQUERA: Yes, that's it. And actually, here around the Grand Hotel, you can still see and watch some of them. Let's have a look. Because if we turn and we pan the camera to the other side of the crowd control fences, you can see how still there are few people in here. Those are part of the people that participated in the torch parade that took place like an hour ago. This is a tradition that normally happens every day, that it's being awarded the prize to the winner. And it's a way to commemorate the day, to celebrate.

And well, such an important day for the winner of this award. And also, many of them are still here, Boris, because they are waiting to get maybe the luck to see Mario Corina Machado live. But it seems like maybe it can be like a waiting of many, many hours because, as we said at the very beginning, there is still no schedule, no time to know when she will make it to this Grand Hotel, Boris.

SANCHEZ: Pau Mosquera, live for us in Oslo. Thank you so much. Brianna?

KEILAR: Now to some of the other headlines that we're watching this hour. The Navy says it has now recovered two aircraft that crashed into the South China Sea within 30 minutes of one another in October. Officials say a Hornet fighter jet and an MH-60 helicopter were lifted from 400 feet of water last week. All the crew members were rescued at the time. But Navy experts say recovering the aircraft was critical, so that they don't fall into the wrong hands.

And today, the literary world is mourning the loss of bestselling author, Sophie Kinsella. Kinsella wrote the popular "Shopaholic" book series, which according to her website sold more than 50 million copies worldwide. Three years ago, she was diagnosed with an aggressive form of brain cancer. Her family released a statement saying she died peacefully with her final days filled with her true loves, family, and music, and warmth, and Christmas, and joy. Kinsella was only 55-years-old.

And finally, a new angle on a story that we brought you yesterday.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Like, girl, I have jobs, I swear. Oh! Oh my goodness.

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KEILAR: You don't see that every day. That dashcam video showing the moment that a plane made an emergency landing on I-95 in central Florida. The plane briefly landed right there on the roof of that car before it skidded to a halt on the highway. The driver went to the hospital with only minor injuries. The pilot and passenger were not hurt. We're going to break down more of that pretty unbelievable video next hour.

And still ahead, old man Rivers. Have you ever seen a grandfather take the football field in an NFL game? You might see it soon. We'll have that next.

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SANCHEZ: 44-year-old ,grandfather Philip Rivers, is coming out of retirement to help his former team, the Indianapolis Colts. He joined the Colts Practice Squad less than a day after the team announced that Starting Quarterback, Daniel Jones had suffered a season-ending Achilles injury. Joining us now is CNN World Sport Host Patrick Snell. Patrick, a big decision from Philip Rivers to get back in the game.

PATRICK SNELL, CNN WORLD SPORT HOST: Hi, there. Yeah, Boris, would be remarkable if he does actually go on to play. We will see. I will say this though, desperate times calling for desperate measures. If Rivers does end up playing for the Colts in Seattle, what will be at stake here? He will be instantly the oldest player in the National Football League, beating Aaron Rodgers by two years. The Colts were off to a dream start this season, starting seven of one, but they've now lost four of five. And more importantly, they lost Starting Quarterback, Daniel Jones for the season. Jones tearing his Achilles in Sunday's defeat at Jacksonville.

Backup Riley Leonard is also dealing with a knee injury. So if he can't go next week and the Colts, well, they would turn to Rivers. The 44-year-old hasn't played though in five years when he led Indianapolis to 11 and five record and a playoff appearance since retiring. What's he been doing? Well, Rivers has been keeping busy. He's been coaching high school football. He's now a grandpa as well. Fun fact, he has 10 kids and his oldest, Hally is 23 years of age. Earlier on Wednesday, Rivers speaking to reporters.

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PHILIP RIVERS, INDIANAPOLIS COLTS QUARTERBACK: They wanted me. And you know, I tried to keep it as simple as that and a game I love to play, a game that I thought it was --