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ICE Agent's Cellphone Captures Fatal Confrontation in Minneapolis; New Data Shows Weakest Annual Job Growth in Decades. Aired 2:30-3p ET

Aired January 09, 2026 - 14:30   ET

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JOHN MILLER, CNN CHIEF LAW ENFORCEMENT AND INTELLIGENCE ANALYST: ... hope to equip all of their agents with the ability to have and use body cams. In Chicago, they were at the beginning of that program, and they sent all their body cams to Chicago because the federal judge said that, you know, we will only allow agents with body cams to go out and do enforcement operations. Even then, they didn't have enough for everybody they deployed on the ground.

In Minneapolis, there was no such court ruling, so they didn't have to have them, and they weren't equipped with them. What he's doing with his phone, and this is a really interesting question, what is he doing with his phone? They've been holding their phones up, different protesters and activists through the day, filming the agents.

Is he filming them with his phone to show, like, I'm recording you, you're recording me, they're both recording each other. Is this kind of a way to get in their face? Or Is he trying to document for some arrest the idea that they're blocking the road, interfering with the operation and impeding their their ability to work?

If that's the case, you know, we have to ask when the other agent is saying, get out of the car. What is he telling her to get out of the car for? Is he going to initiate an arrest?

If he is going to initiate arrest, is it for this car blocking the road? Is it for some earlier contact they have with them? We don't have much visibility into that, but we know that that particular encounter, get out of the car, he says, out of the car, out of the car, out of the f***ing car, and grabs the door handle to pull it open.

At the same time, we now know that the shooting victim's partner is on the opposite side of the car, trying to also open the door, which is also locked, and then these, what happens in the next second, turns into this fatality. We still haven't been told whether they were being arrested, whether there was going to be a charge, what the basis for the stop was. We know it ended in fatality.

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN HOST: What do you make of someone, an ICE agent, it appears, but we just don't know exactly who, calling her an f***ing B word at the end? MILLER: Well, that's a spontaneous reaction, either out of anger or frustration. It's certainly inappropriate. But, you know, as I discussed with Chuck Ramsey earlier today, you know, you look for these things because they can go to state of mind, which was what was the state of mind, you know, during this incident.

KEILAR: Yes. John, thank you. Thanks to Chief. Thanks to Josh as well. We're going to get in a quick break, and we'll be right back with more on this new angle video that just came in.

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KEILAR: Back now with our breaking news on the deadly ICE shooting in Minneapolis. Moments ago, CNN obtained video from an ICE officer's cell phone that captures the confrontation with Renee Good that preceded, at least in part, her shooting. A DHS official confirms the video was recorded on the agent's cell phone camera. We do warn you, there is profanity. This is disturbing content. Here it is.

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RENEE GOOD: That's fine. Dude. I'm not mad at you. Show your face. I'm not mad. That's OK. We don't change our plates every morning. Just so you know, it'll be the same plate when you come talk to us later. That's fine. U.S. citizen, former from (INAUDIBLE) Do you want to come at us? I said go get yourself some lunch, big boy. Go ahead.

ICE AGENT: Out of the car. Get out of the f***ing car! Get out of the car!

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KEILAR: Joined now by Chad Wolf, former acting Homeland Security Secretary under President Trump. He's also the executive vice president of the America First Policy Institute. Chad, there are a few new things in this video that we're seeing, including just a close-up of this interaction between the ICE officer and Renee Good. What did you make of her demeanor there that you see before the shooting?

CHAD WOLF, FORMER ACTING HOMELAND SECURITY SECY UNDER PRESIDENT TRUMP: Well, I think there's a lot of interesting parts to to the video. One is obviously, you know, she's an activist. They're there to monitor ICE, get in front of ICE, disrupt ICE operations. She also did not, you know, adhere to the officers command to get out of the car as soon as -- as far as the video concerns -- as soon as he says, please get out of the car. She reverses and then and then goes forward.

So there's a variety of different things. You know, we saw all of this from other camera angles, but as you indicated, you could actually hear the dialog now.

KEILAR: Was there an alternative to shooting her after she didn't comply with that command? WOLF: Well, I don't know. Obviously, I'm not on scene there. You know, the officers got to make a split second decision on whether his life was in danger and then he can use appropriate force as he deems necessary. The totality of the circumstances really matter in this case, a variety of things.

I think they it's been reported that they had observed this car and this individual. earlier in the day or in the days prior doing similar types of things as well. So there's a lot going on here instead of just, you know, taking a snapshot of one camera at one period of time. There's a lot of facts and a lot of circumstances that go on here.

But I think what is clear here is this idea that somehow we've gotten into that it's OK to block a law enforcement operation. That it's OK. to ignore lawful commands.

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That it's OK to evade arrest and that it's OK to simply drive your car anywhere you want to, including into an officer. I mean, that that's what these folks are doing here, and it's becoming obviously very, very dangerous.

KEILAR: Yes, look, reasonable questions. Is a reasonable question also to ask if it's OK to shoot someone if they do those things.

WOLF: Well, sure, I think you can ask the question, but again, I think there's a lot of case law that will back up law enforcement to say in split second decisions that you have to make. And if you see a vehicle coming at you and you believe that your life is in danger, then you can take the appropriate action. Look, it should have never been in this case, you know, Mayor Frey should allow ICE -- local law enforcement to cooperate with ICE.

This individual should have never been in the middle of the street blocking a law enforcement operation. She should have adhered to the commands of the law enforcement officers and obviously not backed up her car and tried to evade arrest. There's a variety of things that should have been done differently in this case.

KEILAR: And certainly training gets to these issues where you have situations that are difficult. I do want to get your reaction on something that former ICE Deputy Chief of Staff John Amaya said on our program. Here it is.

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JOHN AMAYA, FORMER ICE DEPUTY CHIEF OF STAFF: Generally speaking, it is policy guidance department wide that officers don't chase vehicles. It is also policy that officers do not shoot at vehicles to either stop them or slowing -- slow them down. Unless, like the general policy for use of deadly force, there's imminent danger or threat, and there is no reasonable alternative. In other words, if the officer could have just jumped out of the way and let the car pass, that's what he should have done.

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KEILAR: Was stepping out of the way the vehicle a reasonable alternative in your view?

WOLF: Yes, again, I don't think that everything that was just articulated there is correct. You can, you know, you can go after individuals if they try to abscond in a vehicle so that that policy has been changed. Look, again, I'm not there on the ground --

KEILAR: Explain how it's been changed.

WOLF: -- and so trying to understand where the --

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KEILAR: Can you explain that? You said we can go after the vehicles that policy has been -- Chad, you said you can go after people in vehicles if they abscond.

WOLF: Absolutely, Border Patrol --

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KEILAR: Can you explain how that's been changed?

WOLF: -- for example, Border Patrol. Sure, absolutely. Border Patrol along the border gets into high-speed chases all the time, all the time. You know, drug runners and others trying to --

KEILAR: OK, we're in Minneapolis in the middle of a city. Can you apply that into an urban environment?

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WOLF: Absolutely you can. Absolutely you can. And again, I'm not there on the ground, so I'm not going to try to second guess what a law enforcement officer is thinking. What's -- what is he hearing? What is he feeling at the moment?

Again, you can -- you can play Monday morning quarterback all the time and say, well, from this angle and this angle in this angle, you weren't there. We have -- we weren't there. We don't know what took place and everything else. And just -- we heard from Secretary Noem. That earlier in the day there have been three other car rammings, right?

All of this is being communicated to these officers. Is this a coordinated event? He doesn't know what else is in that vehicle, so there's a lot of things that are going on here, all in real time in a matter of seconds. And so I think this is what the investigation will play out.

Will say, did he take the appropriate force or not? My view based off of limited video that I have seen, including the new video, it appears as though he did take appropriate force. But again, I will let the investigation play out. KEILAR: When he shoots through the side of the window where the car is no longer heading towards him, the car bumped him, right? And then he is no longer in danger of being bumped and he shoots through the side of the window. The car cannot obviously make contact with him at that point.

Is that DHS policy to shoot into a vehicle through a side window that can't make contact with you? Is that permissible?

WOLF: I really don't know what you're describing there. I see the vehicle hit him. You describe it as a bump. I think again --

KEILAR: No this -- I have the picture up right now. Do you see?

WOLF: I was there. You're not there.

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KEILAR: Chad, just look at your -- no, no, Chad, you --

WOLF: No, I don't have the return feed, so I can't see that.

KEILAR: Chad, you've seen this picture. I'm sure he's shooting in his second or third shot. He is actually to the side of the vehicle, shooting in the side window. He's not in front of the car. Is that permissible conduct --

WOLF: OK. Right.

KEILAR: -- for discharging a firearm for DHS for ICE?

WOLF: Well, I'm going to let ICE answer that. I don't -- yes, I'm going to let ICE answer that because again, this is based on a totality of circumstances that are going on there. If what you're asking me is, can they only shoot through a front windshield, you know, windshield and not a side windshield?

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Again, it doesn't work like that. The requirements are not laid out there because there's a variety of things that are happening in real time. And so this idea that on video we're going to try to Monday morning quarterback this thing because we've broken it down into 27 different frames at the same time.

This all happened probably in two to three seconds, and so again, lawful commands were giving to an individual who ignored them and decided to not only back up her vehicle, but then to lurch forward at an officer. And he made a split second decision to protect himself.

KEILAR: I want to listen to something the vice president said yesterday. Here it is.

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J.D. VANCE, VICE PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATE: What that headline leaves out is the fact that very off ICE officer nearly had his life ended, dragged by a car six months ago, 33 stitches in his leg. So you think maybe he's a little bit sensitive about somebody ramming him with an automobile?

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KEILAR: Just to be clear, it was 100 yards, which is significantly more, 33 total stitches in the arm, a little less, and it was the arm in hand, so different body part, to be clear. But, I mean, despite that, the point the vice president makes about the effect of that experience on the officer, I think, for many, would reasonably stand. Are you concerned that some ICE officers are not receiving adequate services to help them serve effectively after undergoing traumatic experiences on the job?

WOLF: I don't think so, no. Look, any officer that has been in the line of duty for a number of years is going to have the totality of their experiences and what they see and what they hear. What, you know, obviously doesn't get communicated a lot. But again, we heard Secretary Noem talk about it over 100 vehicle rammings.

What I believe ICE and CBP and others are seeing is a coordinated effort by activists and others that want to interfere with ICE operations to use their vehicle as a means to do so. And so that is going into the mindset of ICE officers as well as when they go out into the field. They have to be aware not only of weapons, not only of firearms, but other weapons, but also the vehicle as a weapon as well.

And when lawful commands are given and lawful commands are decided to be ignored because they think it's fun to try to break up ICE operations. We would not allow this in any other law enforcement, you know, capacity, any other agency, any other municipal law enforcement. You would be -- it just doesn't happen. But somehow because we have local officials --

KEILAR: But would you be shot?

WOLF: -- with very incendiary rhetoric --

KEILAR: You said you'd be arrested. Would you be shot?

WOLF: -- telling these folks that they're propaganda that they are not --

KEILAR: Chad, you're saying it wouldn't be allowed. You're saying it wouldn't be allowed.

WOLF: -- that they should be allowed in the city.

KEILAR: I mean, that's entirely reasonable.

WOLF: That incentivizes --

KEILAR: And then you said you'd be arrested. Would you be shot?

WOLF: It is not entirely reasonable to drive your vehicle -- (CROSSTALK)

KEILAR: I'm no, I'm saying what you're saying -- I said what you're saying is reasonable --

WOLF: -- at an officer. I said it is not entirely reasonable.

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KEILAR: Chad, I said what you're saying.

WOLF: The fact that you are saying that it is entirely reasonable --

KEILAR: No, I didn't say that. I said what you're saying is reasonable, that that would not be permissible. So please do not mistake my words. I said, you were saying that would not be allowed. I said, that is reasonable. And you said that would not be allowed. And then you started to say you would be arrested, but then you stopped and you changed tack. And I said, so you would be arrested. Would you be shot?

WOLF: If your vehicle is driving at an officer and the officer fears for their life, They are able to use the appropriate amount of force that they deem necessary.

KEILAR: Did you see her turning the wheel or that doesn't matter?

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WOLF: That doesn't just apply to ICE. That applies to any local law enforcement. And in fact, if you go back to Chicago, the police commissioner there in Chicago several weeks or months ago actually gave an interview where he said it's not appropriate for people to drive vehicles at officers, that that puts their lives at danger. And any law enforcement officer that believes that their life is in danger can use the appropriate force. This isn't -- this isn't difficult. People should not drive their vehicle at law enforcement officers.

KEILAR: Yes, I mean, I'm not making that point, Chad, but I appreciate you being here talking to us about this. Chad Wolf, thank you so much.

WOLF: Yes, thanks.

KEILAR: And ahead on CNN NEWS CENTRAL, any minute, President Trump will be meeting with oil executives at the White House. We're tracking that event. We're going to bring it to you live if the president does take some questions from reporters, so stay with us.

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KEILAR: The final jobs report for 2025 shows hiring slowed at the end of last year. The economy adding just 50,000 jobs in December, which is slightly fewer than analysts expected. The unemployment rate ticked down. It dropped to 4.4 percent from a revised 4.5 percent. The new data means that 2025 was the weakest job growth creation that we have seen outside of a recession since 2003. Just 584,000 jobs added in all of last year, and most of those jobs gains actually happened by April.

I'm joined now by Aaron Klein. He's a former Treasury Department Deputy Assistant Secretary. He's also a senior fellow at the Brookings Institution. OK, what looking at the numbers is your number one takeaway from this jobs report?

AARON KLEIN, FORMER TREASURY DEPARTMENT ASSISTANT SECRETARY: Yes, so my number one takeaway from the jobs report is that the economy overall in the top line is actually not in bad shape.

KEILAR: Great.

KLEIN: Growth was strong, unemployment remains low. But when you get behind the numbers, you realize that it's a very different world depending on where you are. If you have a job, wages are growing. If you have money, the stock market is up.

But if you're on the other side of the ledger, it's not so great.

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Look, there are five million people who are working part-time for economic reasons who want to work full-time, that number's up almost one million over this year. Of the unemployed, almost two million have been long-term unemployed. That is out of work for more than six months and still looking for work. That number's up 400,000.

So, you know, Bree, look, the economy can be good for you. The economy can be good for me. But what is the economy like for Harry, who's sitting there working under the hood at a manufacturing plant?

By the way, manufacturing jobs down this year, construction jobs down this year. So what I'm seeing is a different type of economy, which is good for the people who are doing well and good for them, but not so good for others.

KEILAR: It's that K-shaped economy we talk about all the time. The job gains mostly having happened by April, what does that tell you?

KLEIN: Well, look, Trump inherited well, that's been the story of his entire life, OK. Trump inherited a strong economy. Then he started messing around with trade. He created a bunch of uncertainty. He moved data around.

Look, it's very hard to just look at a one quarter or one month number. We didn't get numbers during the shutdown. The tariffs on again, off again, on again, off again. Maybe so, maybe not. We don't know.

And there's been a lot of movement up and down. But if you look over a whole year, now we have a whole year's worth of jobs data, you find an economy that came in with a lot of momentum and it's slowing and stalling a little bit. But top line, the aggregates are pretty good because if it's good for the people at the top, they control so much of the wealth that they're able to perpetuate the economy even if the bottom group, and that bottom group can be pretty large, can be half the country, is struggling and feeling uncertain, feeling I may have a job, but if I lose my job, the odds that I'm going to get hired back are thin.

That changes sentiment, that changes feeling, and that will eventually change spending patterns for those people.

KEILAR: It explains sort of the sentiment we're seeing. The president shared some of the data in this jobs report on Thursday night on social media. Why does that matter?

KLEIN: Well, this jobs data moves markets. You'll see the stock market move because the bond market will move because they're not sure what's going on in terms of the Federal Reserve. A lot of people think this data means the Federal Reserve will not cut interest rates despite what Trump wants.

This data is deeply guarded. It is released at once, released before the markets open at 8:30 in the morning. Very few people have access to this data. I used to, when I worked on Capitol Hill and I was a top staffer, the Joint Economic Committee would hold a hearing on this data, and you'd have to be in a lockup. You'd be in a locked room.

I know you've been in lockups before where they handed you the data. You couldn't have your phone or computer or anything.

KEILAR: I've had embargoed stuff, but I hear you on that.

KLEIN: Yes, I'm in a lockup, right? So like, that's top secret stuff. That is market moving. That is leakable stuff. And, you know, for Trump to throw that on his website is nuts.

KEILAR: Aaron Klein, thank you so much for being with us. Appreciate it. And the new hour of CNN NEWS CENTRAL starts after a quick break.

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KEILAR: We do begin with breaking news on the deadly ICE shooting in Minneapolis. Protest ...

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