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Atlanta Braves Legend Dale Murphy Remembers Ted Turner; U.S. Gas Prices Up More Than 50 Percent Since Start of Iran War; Tennessee Manhunt Suspect Accused of Shooting Wife, Fleeing into Woods; Judge Allows Chicago Cubs' Lawsuit Against Rooftop Views to Proceed. Aired 3:30-4p ET

Aired May 06, 2026 - 15:30   ET

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DALE MURPHY, FORMER BASEBALL OUTFIELDER: I was actually in AAA at the time. I got called up after that, but I remember Phil Niekro telling me that Ted came up to him before the game that he was going to manage, and he asked Phil Niekro where he wanted to hit. Now, back then especially, pitchers always hit ninth because they weren't the best hitters, they were pitchers.

But before the game, Ted said, hey Phil, where do you want to hit? And Phil said, I think I better hit ninth, Ted, I'm pitching today. So it was, you know, he just felt like Dave Bristol needed a break, it was a tough time, and he was never shy from doing things.

I think, you know, he changed the game. He should be recognized for growing the game like no one before him and like no one else ever has. He put the game of baseball and Braves baseball everywhere.

And everywhere I go, like I said, there are people that are passionate Braves fans because of what Ted did. So he was a visionary there in sports broadcasting, not only as has been mentioned time and again, his vision as far as what we're speaking on right now, CNN, as a philanthropist, as an environmentalist, you know, he just was a visionary.

BORIS SANCHEZ, CNN HOST: Dale, what is your favorite personal memory with Ted?

MURPHY: Well, I learned how tenacious he was as far as a negotiator was concerned. My agent and I decided to go in to talk to him personally about my next contract. I'll just say it was a little intimidating.

He wasn't happy about our offer. The only thing I remember is he laid down on the couch in his office. He goes, OK, Murph, hit me with the bad news.

And we offered what we thought was a pretty fair deal. And all I remember was he said, what? And stood up and left the room.

And he was intimidating for sure. But he treated me fairly. He wanted to win. He was generous to his players, tough negotiator, but he wanted to win. We all know that. It wasn't a joke.

He wasn't goofing around with this. He had some interesting marketing ideas and things like that. But he was serious. He wanted to win the World Series. And we could tell that we're lucky to have played for Ted Turner.

SANCHEZ: And he certainly won quite a bit. Dale Murphy, thank you so much for being with us.

Stay with CNN. We'll be right back.

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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN HOST: The price of oil is down as hopes build for a possible deal to end the Iran war and reopen the Strait of Hormuz. West Texas crude has been under $100 a barrel today, Brent crude hovering just above $100. Overnight, the national average for a gallon of gas, it jumped six more cents to $4.54, but Americans in nine states are already seeing prices well over $5.

We're joined now by U.S. financial commentator for The Financial Times, Robert Armstrong. Robert, talk to us about what we're seeing today with oil prices. This sort of really big drop early this morning, then a slight rebound, but still down overall.

ROBERT ARMSTRONG, U.S. FINANCIAL COMMENTATOR, FINANCIAL TIMES: One of the remarkable things that we have seen is the ability of oil traders and the oil market broadly to consistently look at the bright side of the news coming out of the Strait of Hormuz and the Middle East generally. Given the opportunity to sell oil and bring prices down on news of any kind of ceasefire or discussion or peace breaking out, the price has really fallen, which is striking because we've gotten news zigging and zagging all over the place. One day it's good, the other day it's bad.

But this market really sticks to the bright side, and that's showing up in oil prices today.

KEILAR: So does that trickle down to U.S. gas prices, which are averaging over $4.50 a gallon today?

ARMSTRONG: It does, but it takes time. There's a long value chain between tankers full of crude oil and gas stations selling refined gasoline. But over time, you will see those lower prices trickle through.

You know, $4.50 or $4.54, as you mentioned earlier, is a crucial threshold price. At $4.50, consumers in America grumble, but they don't change their behavior much. They don't start driving less or spending less on other items to save money for gasoline.

But if the next incremental piece of news is bad and we start pushing up above $5, then you're going to see consumers begin to change their behavior.

KEILAR: So we're kind of getting used to this pattern, right? Markets react to a public announcement, gives everyone some hope that diplomacy could be working, but then it becomes apparent it's not. The Strait's still not open.

So what are you watching for as we actually wait to see if this memo is formally agreed to?

ARMSTRONG: Well, I think it's hard to predict the daily comings and goings of diplomacy. But I think what we do know is that worldwide reserves or inventories of oil and refined products are falling very quickly.

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And we can't play this back and forth for an indefinite amount of time before we really see a violent spike in prices of oil. So as of yesterday, there were sort of 45 days worth of inventory of refined products worldwide. If diplomacy continues to flounder for another month, we could be in a really difficult situation.

So this cannot go on forever.

KEILAR: Robert, S&P Global Energy warned in a report just yesterday that even after the Strait does reopen, that it will take at least seven months to fully recover oil production. What does that recovery look like for U.S. consumers? That's a long time.

ARMSTRONG: It is a long time. And I think we can -- the consumers will be paying more for gasoline and seeing higher volatility in gasoline prices for at least seven months, I would say. The thing you have to remember is that demand goes up first in the summer driving season. And after that, you have to refill tanks of fuel oil for winter heating system.

So some of the acute pressure on inventories and prices that we're now seeing, say in Asia, is going to move west towards the United States in the months to come. So no, this is not a situation where there's a diplomatic resolution and you snap your fingers and you're back to $3.50 a gallon and nice calm prices. It's just not going to work like that.

KEILAR: Robert, it is great to get your expertise in this. Robert Armstrong, thank you so much.

ARMSTRONG: Pleasure, Brianna. Thanks for having me.

KEILAR: A manhunt underway for a suspect with extensive Army survival training. Investigators say that this former Green Beret shot his wife before fleeing into the woods in Tennessee. Stay with us.

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK) SANCHEZ: A manhunt is underway for a U.S. Special Forces veteran accused of shooting his wife. Officials in northern Tennessee are looking for 53-year-old Craig Berry. They say the former Army sergeant is armed and has extensive survival training. He was last seen on a trail camera fleeing into the deep woods near the Kentucky border.

Joining us now is Chris Swecker, a former FBI assistant director for the Criminal Investigative Division. Chris, thanks so much for being with us. The suspect here has extensive Army survival training. What does that mean for this search?

CHRIS SWECKER, FORMER FBI ASSISTANT DIRECTOR, CRIMINAL INVESTIGATIVE DIVISION: Yes, 24 years with the Special Forces, given his training and given the terrain and where he escaped to, the area where he escaped, it is a nightmare of a manhunt. Because you've got a very small sheriff's department in Stewart County with a couple of shifts of deputies. You've got U.S. Marshals helping out, Tennessee Bureau of Investigation, Tennessee State Highway Patrol, but that's not enough people. You've got 175,000 acres just north of where he went missing.

So they've got their work cut out for them. I think the best they can do is set up a very wide, broad perimeter. They don't have the resources to really ratchet that perimeter down, so they're going to check cabins and other places where he may break into that are either occupied or unoccupied.

It reminds me of the hunt for the Olympic bomber in western North Carolina.

SANCHEZ: Yes, I wonder, you mentioned the terrain. I mean, we're talking about steep hills and deep ravines in that part of the country. How do investigators overcome that?

SWECKER: Very difficult. I mean, what we learned in the hunt for Eric Rudolph is that if he's armed -- and he was -- he would see us long before we would ever see him because he had similar training, not as much as this guy, but he had some training. And he even mentioned after he was arrested, he was within yards of our investigators and searchers, and they never saw him because of the dense underbrush.

So there's a safety consideration here where they don't want to be too aggressive. They have to be very measured with their search. They don't want to get too close to him.

They need to be able to flush him out more than come up on him. So they're trying to herd him in a certain direction if they can and try to herd him to an open area.

SANCHEZ: We understand that the suspect's wife has been interviewed by law enforcement. She's since been released from the hospital and is expected to recover. I wonder if the suspect knows this, how that might factor into his thinking.

SWECKER: Yes, I mean, I don't know whether -- you really can't presume that he has access to news. He may have broken into a cabin in a remote area there. That's exactly what Eric Rudolph, the Olympic bomber, did. But, you know, I don't know how that would change the equation. They would like to get that information to him, maybe just to say, hey, it's not as bad as you think it is. She's not dead. You're not facing a death penalty or a life sentence.

And maybe that takes some of the edge off of him and his response to law enforcement when they come upon him. Because, again, law enforcement safety, safety of the citizens in that area, there aren't a lot of them in that general area. But he's looking for shelter. He didn't have a lot of time to take a lot of things with him.

So food and that sort of thing he's going to have to forage for. And he's going to have to break into a cabin or get into a shelter somewhere.

SANCHEZ: Chris Swecker, thank you so much for sharing your expertise.

SWECKER: Thank you.

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SANCHEZ: Still ahead, the Chicago Cubs scoring another win, this time in the courtroom. A judge ruling their lawsuit against an iconic Wrigley View rooftop can go forward.

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KEILAR: One of baseball's most iconic teams is flying the W after scoring a legal victory. The Chicago Cubs home, Wrigley Field, is a historic ballpark that is more than a century old. It is a centerpiece in the city's Wrigleyville neighborhood.

SANCHEZ: And that's kind of what is at issue right now. You see some of the taller buildings overlooking the field actually sell tickets so fans can get a bird's eye view of Cubs games and even concerts. The Cubs, though, are crying foul.

The team sued one company, Wrigley View Rooftop, in 2024 for not getting a cut of ticket sales like it did from a previous agreement that it expired. The Cubs say the rooftop is profiting off of their product. Now a judge is allowing the team's lawsuit to go forward.

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Let's discuss with legal analyst and senior sports legal reporter for Sportico, Michael McCann. Michael, thank you so much for being with us. It's safe to say that fans have been watching Cubs games from rooftops for a long time. So why is the team taking issue with this now?

MICHAEL MCCANN, LEGAL ANALYST AND SENIOR SPORTS LEGAL REPORTER, SPORTICO: Sure, Boris. So they're taking issue with it now because in 2024, their contracts with a number of buildings expired. And they no longer want to do deals with local -- basically local businesses that are overlooking Wrigley Field. There was a revenue sharing arrangement that they previously had that ended. They now argue that Wrigley View Rooftop is selling tickets in a way that provides unjust enrichment and also misappropriates the team's intellectual property and real property rights.

KEILAR: So we got a statement from the attorneys representing Wrigley View Rooftop saying, "We appreciate the judge's ruling on this preliminary issue, and we look forward to participating in the remainder of the case." How do they proceed now with this ruling? Where does this go?

MCCANN: Yes, Brianna. So the defense argument is basically going to be the Cubs -- you have your ballpark. You have Wrigley Field. But you built it in a city where there are tall buildings and you don't have a dome. Right.

So this is sort of part of the nature of having an open facility in an urban area is that there is the opportunity for people nearby to look in. And that's been one of the central arguments that essentially the Cubs do have a right to a live broadcast, but it's within the facility itself or through broadcast or through a radio Internet. But in terms of physical viewing, it doesn't extend that far.

Clearly, Judge Coleman isn't buying that yet. She wrote that that argument may have some resonance in terms of the fact that Wrigley View Rooftop has the ability to govern its own property, but they're selling tickets when there are Cubs games and that it looks like the timing of those tickets is synchronized with when there are events in Wrigley Field.

SANCHEZ: CNN reached out to the Cubs for comment. They told us they do not comment on pending litigation. It sounds like they have a winnable case.

MCCANN: So far, right? So it's early. It's not necessarily over. But I would say the Cubs have an argument. The Cubs have some precedent.

There's a case from the 1930s involving the Pittsburgh Pirates where there was a litigation against a radio station, an unauthorized radio station that had basically observers near the ballpark looking in and then doing play by play by having people peeking in. And the judge said, you can't do that. The Pirates have a right to live sports. They have they have ownership over this.

Now, I think there's an open ended question. Shouldn't this end by resolution? Couldn't they work something out like they had done before where the Cubs get some of the revenue? And it wouldn't shock me if this ends in a settlement rather than going to trial.

KEILAR: How do Cubs fans feel about all of this?

MCCANN: Well, I imagine most people are looking at this saying it's an interesting legal question. Right. And it is an interesting legal question.

I don't know if Cubs fans necessarily care that much about it. But it does provide additional seating. And there are people that go to Wrigley View Rooftop that apparently have a great time.

It's its own experience that's distinct from going to Wrigley Field. And that provides an outlet for fans to enjoy the experience. It's just one that the Cubs feel like is misappropriating their property and causing unjust enrichment.

SANCHEZ: So what comes next in the case?

MCCANN: Next in the case will be more pleadings that it's not anywhere near being over. There will be discovery. There will be sharing of information.

My guess is that there will be talks of a settlement. I think that's probably where this will ultimately head. But it's at the stage now where there is discovery, meaning each side shares information.

These two sides know each other pretty well, though, because there's been a relationship for a long time. So it's unlikely there are going to be too many hidden nuggets here. But my guess is that it's ultimately about figuring out a way to move forward where the Cubs get some of the revenue like they had before.

Clearly, they haven't yet found that number yet. But my guess is that's where it ultimately lands.

KEILAR: All right, we'll be looking for that. Michael, thank you so much.

MCCANN: Thank you.

SANCHEZ: Breaking news to CNN. Kentucky Derby winner Golden Tempo will not compete in next week's Preakness and will instead look ahead toward the Belmont Stakes in June. Trainer Cherie Devaux telling CNN, quote, "The horse just ran the race of his life. Asking him to race again, we just want to give him the best opportunity for the best outcome."

KEILAR: The decision, which will cost Golden Tempo a shot at the Triple Crown, comes amid conversations about whether the race calendar should be tweaked. The Preakness falls just two weeks after the Derby.

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And this will be the sixth time in eight years that the Derby winner has not competed in the race. Because it's so grueling. You're asking a lot of a horse.

SANCHEZ: It was intense. I never watch this. It's like not my thing. But I put it on when I saw on social media that it was coming on. Whoa. So I was enthralled from all the way in the back to the front.

KEILAR: It was unbelievable.

SANCHEZ: Yes.

KEILAR: "THE ARENA" with Kasie Hunt starts right now. END