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NYT Details New Allegations From Women Against Graham Platner; Today: Brendan Banfield Expected To Be Sentenced To Life In Prison; Video Shows Extensive Damage To Newest U.S. Aircraft Carrier. Aired 7:30-8a ET

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GRAHAM PLATNER, (D) MAINE SENATE CANDIDATE: There are some allegations in this piece that I just want to be kind of unequivocal about are simply not true. Anything alleging physicality, anything alleging that I knew what my tattoo was -- these are the statements of someone who is politically motivated.

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KATE BOLDUAN, CNN ANCHOR: Joining me right now is Errol Louis, political anchor for Spectrum News. It's good to see you again, Errol.

Now as Politico Playbook put it this morning, "Platner's Senate campaign goes from rock to hard place."

You've followed politics a long time. What's your kind of gut check and gut feeling right now about the latest? What this latest kind of controversy with Platner means.

ERROL LOUIS, POLITICAL ANCHOR, SPECTRUM NEWS, HOST, "THE BIG DEAL WITH ERROL LOUIS" (via Webex by Cisco): Well, you -- good morning, Kate.

I think what this suggests for those of us who have seen these kind of campaigns is that there's going to be more. You've got a character issue here. You've got an integrity issue. You've got a he said-she said and so forth.

And frankly, this is what happens when voters decide that the status quo is so unacceptable that they'll take anybody, you know. And this is -- this is kind of what voters have told pollsters. They're saying hey, we don't like the status quo. It's not working for us. Traditional Democrats, like the governor who was a candidate earlier in the race -- we don't want that. We want something entirely new. Let's just take anybody.

Well, this is what anybody looks like. They've got tattoos that they have to explain. They've got stories and messy pasts. They've got toxic relationships. Maybe an addiction problem in the past that they've got to explain. And it could all still work out. Let's try and be optimistic about it. But this is what you get. You go away from traditional politics that everybody says is so

unacceptable and you're out in the wild west and you get somebody who has not really been thoroughly vetted because he doesn't have an extensive background in public service. And you're going to keep hearing stories, I would say, right up until Election Day.

BOLDUAN: So Politico is -- and this gets exactly to what I wanted to talk more about with this, which is Politico is also reporting that Democrats -- and to clarify, Democrats on Capitol Hill, right? Democrats in Washington are furious about this latest revelation.

One senior Senate aide saying this to Politico. "There is dramatically higher concern about losing Maine now across the caucus than there was before the stories broke." Also saying, "Everyone realizes that without Maine the path to taking back the Senate is impossible. Everyone is apoplectic."

The question is though could the Democratic Party handle this in a different way and do something about it now? And most importantly, how do Maine voters feel about this? Getting exactly to your point of its -- the vote in Maine is what -- is what matters in the end and it's unclear as this unfolds before our eyes how exactly this is impacting the people who are already supporting him.

LOUIS: Exactly right, Kate.

Look, both sides are right. Traditional Democratic operatives, people who know the art of politics -- they're upset. They look at the situation, and they say there are 345,000 registered Democrats in Maine. Democrats control, you know, the governor's mansion, both houses of the state legislature, both houses -- the entire delegation to the House of Representatives. Couldn't we have found somebody who didn't have, you know, Nazi tattoos and weird stories, and all kinds of problems?

On the other hand, the latest poll that I show suggests that Graham Platner, even with all of this baggage, is still a point ahead of Susan Collins in the polls. So people may be just that fed up that they're going to say we want someone to blow up the system. We want this guy. We want the oyster farmer who's got a messy past. That's better than what we've got right now.

It'll be up to the voters, of course. There's 150 days for everybody to kind of make their cases. But, you know, their path to a Senate majority is a lot more complicated. You're exactly right.

BOLDUAN: It is quite interesting in what the -- what the real message will be when this all -- when this all pans out.

Real quick before I let you go, Errol, 18 hours of debates, a jumble of uncertainty, a revolt and a rebellion among Republicans over the anti-weaponization fund. And then no mas. No more. It goes away, meaning the revolts and the rebellion.

What happened to that Republican revolt? What do you think happened overnight? LOUIS: Well, they never had the votes. I mean, they didn't -- they just didn't have the votes they needed to accomplish some of what they wanted. To sever the ballroom from all of this to get rid of the slush fund. They needed a lot more defections than they had.

And frankly, what looked like a bit of a rebellion was really fueled by people like Thom Tillis who were already on their -- who are already on their way out the door. Who already run afoul of President Trump and the Republican leadership, you know. So it was -- it was kind of a tempest in a teapot.

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Democrats I think have succeeded now in hanging the ballroom, the slush fund, and some other unpopular measures around the necks of Republicans as they go into the midterms. That may or may not work out for them as far as actually getting a majority.

What -- for the rest of the country though, Kate, really important, full funding for ICE. If you don't like what they've been doing, if you wish they would take off their masks, if you wanted to see something a little bit less forceful going on in the cities -- well, it's fully funded through the end of President Trump's term and no amount of rhetoric from Democrats is going to change that at this point.

BOLDUAN: Yeah.

It's good to see you, Errol. Thank you so much -- John.

JOHN BERMAN, CNN ANCHOR: All right. We are standing by for the release of the May jobs reports. This will offer this crucial snapshot of how the labor market is doing in the midst of the war with Iran and rising inflation -- at least rising concerns about inflation.

With us now CNN Business senior reporter David Goldman. What's the expectation?

DAVID GOLDMAN, CNN BUSINESS SENIOR REPORTER: Yeah. Well, uh, you know, pretty good. This is the crazy thing is that we've been talking about a weak jobs market for a long time, but this could be the third- straight month where we have more than 100,000 jobs created in the country. That would be the first time that's happened since the first three months of 2024. So this could be the bounce back that we're looking for.

But -- and I know you were waiting for the but -- it's all happening in one industry. So we've created 304,000 jobs in the first four months of this year. Two hundred twenty-one thousand of them have come from health care alone.

So why is that? Well, we have an aging population and if you want an AI-proof job in American, nursing is where it's at, right? I mean, just -- there are so many old people to take care of and that is where the jobs are being created. So what we're looking for in the report today is, is there more

widespread job growth, right? Is it beyond just the health care industry or, you know, it is all concentrated right there in nursing? So that's the first thing that we really want to see.

The second thing is going to be that wage growth, right? So we, right now, have wage growth at around 3.5-3.6 percent. That's an important number because inflation is at 3.8 percent, right? So it means that inflation has eaten your pay raise over the past year. So if we get a number that's a little bit higher it means that we're winning out over inflation. That's the other thing that we'll see at 8:30.

BERMAN: When inflation is higher than your wages -- when inflation is eating your wages, it gives you indigestion.

GOLDMAN: You got it.

BERMAN: I think that's the important thing to remember here.

All right. We are standing by for that in less than an hour. We know we will hear more from you later, David. Thank you very much -- Kate.

BOLDUAN: So just hours from now in court, the Virginia man convicted of killing his wife and a stranger in what has been dubbed the "Au Pair Affair" murders, is set to learn his fate. Brendan Banfield faces life in prison with no chance of parole after a judge denied an eleventh hour request by his attorneys -- that was yesterday we talked about this -- to overturn his convictions.

Banfield was found guilty of murdering his wife Christine and a stranger in a case that prosecutors said was fueled by his relationship with the family's au pair.

Christine's longtime best friend spoke exclusively with CNN's Jean Casarez.

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LUCILLE PRIOLO, LIFELONG BEST FRIEND OF CHRISTINE BANFIELD: I would say she was probably one of the kindest people I have ever been in contact with. She always knew she -- you know, she was like I want that -- to be a mom, you know, and have that. And she was a great mom.

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BOLDUAN: Hmm.

Jean is here with me now. Jean, I have to say it is so important in these moments. We focus on, like, what the penalty is that he is going to get, but it's so important to hear from someone to remember who this woman was that was lost.

JEAN CASAREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You know, I sought -- I sought Lucille Priolo out because I wanted to learn who Christine Banfield was.

BOLDUAN: We've talked about her so much, yeah.

CASAREZ: In the trial we heard all about Brendan Banfield. He took the stand, you know -- criminal IRS agent, very successful. We heard all about the au pair. She took the stand, Juliana Peres Magalhaes. She's from Brazil. Heard her life story. But what about Christine? Christine was the victim. Christine was the mother, the wife, and she was murdered by her husband.

So Lucille Priolo told me just as you heard right there that she wanted to give in her life. That was Christine Banfield. In kindergarten, she actually told the class she wanted to become a nurse, and she wanted her best friend to become a nurse too. But Lucille didn't; Christine did. She became a pediatric intensive care nurse. She helped rape victims.

But I also asked Lucille what was it like when you got that call that your best friend for life was murdered?

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PRIOLO: It was shocking. You know, when you say you're friends with someone for 37 years, that's not long enough. It's -- it really isn't -- not the type of person she was. I wanted longer and we were cut short of that.

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CASAREZ: You know what sometimes people forget is that you are a victim too. You are an extension of the family. If you were able to give a victim impact statement -- because I know you wanted to and the family wanted you to be able to -- what would be in that victim impact statement?

PRIOLO: Just knowing that, like I said, we were cut short. It was so many more memories that needed to be made and he took that from us, you know. I just recently got engaged and that is one of the biggest things that hurts my heart knowing that she won't be there. She won't get to stand with me. Because we have been through everything together.

CASAREZ: If there was one thing that you could say to Brendan Banfield at this point, what would you want to say to him?

PRIOLO: Why? Why? I mean, that's really just it. Why couldn't you just leave? If you weren't happy, just go.

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CASAREZ: So the sentencing starts today. We will have live coverage on CNN All Access. We'll start at 10:30, Laura Coates and I. You will see the sentencing. I am sure the judge will speak a long time as she sentences him about what he did and why it should not have happened.

BOLDUAN: Not (INAUDIBLE).

CASAREZ: Now we know about Christine. BOLDUAN: Yeah. I was going to say thank you for that because it was really -- you've -- I mean, you've covered these -- you've covered so many -- so many murder cases and murder trials and it does often get lost -- the person, the woman, the mother, the human life that is lost when you have to focus on the details of the case. And just -- that's really wonderful that we needed to have. Thank you.

CASAREZ: Thank you for letting me put that on your show.

BOLDUAN: Of course. And again, a reminder. Jean will have full coverage of today's sentencing beginning at 10:30 a.m. on CNN All Access.

Also new for us this morning, nearly a year after she was acquitted of killing her Boston police officer boyfriend, Karen Read is now suing the agencies that investigated her.

You may remember the case. prosecutors accused Read of hitting her boyfriend with her car while intoxicated and then leaving him to die in the middle of a blizzard. This was back in 2022. Last year, after two trials, she walked out of court a free woman.

Read is now filing a lawsuit against the Massachusetts State Police and the town of Canton alleging misconduct and negligence in their investigation. The complaint reveals text messages attributed to a former state trooper and a former police sergeant in which one of them referred to Read as a "whack job" and wrote that he "hoped she would kill herself."

John.

BERMAN: All right. This is a live look at the White House. You can see back there on the south lawn the giant UFC arena being built there, being set up.

So on the "THE WHOLE STORY WITH ANDERSON COOPER," Sara Sidner will sit down with UFC president Dana White to talk about the fight and his relationship with the president.

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SARA SIDNER, CNN ANCHOR: If you go back in history you see sports has, in times, been used by authoritarian governments like Mussolini --

DANA WHITE, UFC PRESIDENT AND CEO: Yeah.

SIDNER: -- to show power, to show strength, to show control.

Do you worry about the confluence of this sport, in particular, and the Trump administration sort of being intertwined?

WHITE: I don't -- I don't -- I don't think like that. I don't -- I don't think like that. I'm --

SIDNER: But people might say look, Trump's using the same playbook as a Mussolini or a Putin, right, who -- Putin is into judo, right, and he uses this as a way to show he is the strongman. He's the man.

Do you see Trump using that same playbook or no?

WHITE: In politics, um, that's the way it's always worked. It's not just Trump. It's been like that since the beginning of time and it will be until the end of time. It's not just one guy or one administration, it's everybody. And yes, sports has been used, you know, politically, you know, forever.

SIDNER: And your mixing is pretty obvious. There's a mix there with one group of people because of your friendship.

WHITE: Well, that's not true. I've been friends with this guy for 25 years.

SIDNER: Yeah.

WHITE: It's not like every election there I am with the Republican Party saying all right, let's -- that's not true. He was my friend when nobody thought he was going to win the election.

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BERMAN: This is a great story. Sara has been working on it a long time. A new episode of "THE WHOLE STORY WITH ANDERSON COOPER: UFC AT THE WHITE HOUSE" premieres Sunday night at 8:00 p.m.

All right, a CNN exclusive. New video of the extensive fire damage inside the country's largest and newest aircraft carrier. One sailor thought they would lose the ship.

And nearly $50,000 in Pokemon cards stolen in just minutes -- the smash-and-grab operation. And why do we keep hearing about these cards being targeted?

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BERMAN: All right. This morning we have a CNN exclusive. New video shows just how badly a fire damaged the country's largest and newest aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald Ford. This happened in March. The fire was so severe one sailor said he thought they were going to lose the ship. But that's not how officials described the damage at the time.

CNN's Brian Todd has the story.

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BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voiceover): New video exclusively obtained by CNN shows the extensive damage to a section onboard America's newest and most expensive aircraft carrier, the USS Gerald R. Ford.

Bunk beds charred, wires hanging from the ceiling, twisted metal, and piles of ashes. This is what was left behind after a fire tore through the ship's laundry area in March during its mission fighting the Iran war.

HUNTER STIRES, FORMER MARITIME STRATEGIST TO SECRETARY OF THE NAVY: Fire and flooding are the two greatest dangers aboard any ship.

TODD (voiceover): This damage was more severe than what the Navy initially suggested at the time when it said the fire had been "contained" and that two sailors received non-life-threatening injuries.

One sailor onboard the ship who helped put the fire out told CNN, "I seriously though we were going to lose the ship." Their mindset while battling the blaze, "It's either fight or die." That sailor and a senior U.S. official familiar with the incident tell CNN the Ford's fire suppression system failed to activate, leaving the sailors scrambling.

STIRES: If you have a failure of the fire suppression system, that is going to make putting the fire out -- it's going to make it harder. And ultimately, that brings it back to ultimately, it's about the people. It is about our sailors. It is about their preparation.

TODD (voiceover): It took the Ford's crew about 30 hours to put out the fire and roughly 600 sailors lost their bunks because of it.

Asked about the extent of the blaze and about the fire control system's failure to function, a Navy spokesperson told CNN, "The investigation of the fire is ongoing."

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We spoke to the chief of naval operations about it when the Ford returned to port in May.

ADM. DARYL CAUDLE, CHIEF OF NAVAL OPERATIONS: Big fires are always a challenge, and this was significant -- laundry and dryer-based fire. The crew handled it so well and they fought it brilliantly and courageously and basically was back in the fight within a matter of days.

TODD (voiceover): The fire wasn't the only problem onboard the $13 billion carrier. The ship's toilets were repeatedly clogged, the sailor told CNN. Other video obtained by CNN shows human waste filled to the brim of toilet after toilet. The sailor said, "If you were in the forward section of the ship, you'd have to walk all the way to the aft section just to find a toilet that worked."

CAUDLE: The sanitation systems onboard any ship -- submarine, destroyer, cruiser, carrier -- all have challenges. It's not whether or not if that happens, it's when it does how do we attack it, fix it, and get it back online. And the team on Ford, you know, is very good at that.

TODD: Another huge hurdle for the Ford's crew. The sheer length of this deployment -- 11 months at seas -- the longest deployment of any U.S. carrier group since the Vietnam War.

Admiral Daryl Caudle, the Chief of Naval Operations, told us he does not want this to be a precedent. He said these deployments are supposed to last about seven months tops.

Brian Todd, CNN, Washington.

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BOLDUAN: Wow. Brian, thank you so much for bringing us that.

There's also this. Nearly $50,000 in valuable Pokemon cards gone in minutes -- even less. Thieves were caught on camera breaking into the Big Pack Hobby Shop in New Jersey. You can see them smashing the glass right there. Police say it took the burglars just one minute to grab something like $40,000 to $50,000 worth of these cards before fleeing. One card alone was worth -- is estimated to be worth $4,000. Police are reviewing surveillance footage to now try to track down these thieves -- remarkable.

Police in Arizona -- they're now sharing some video of a black bear rescue that has gone super viral. The bear climbed a tree in a residential -- oh, there you see the end result -- climbed a tree in a residential neighborhood and was hanging out there for hours. Obviously, that prompted calls from concerned neighbors.

Wildlife officials tranquillized the bear. That seemed to be the easy part, and then they had to get it down or rather get ready to break its fall. These bears weigh like hundreds of pounds. So the bear and the rescuers, we are told, all walked away -- I'm sure not immediately for that tranquilized bear -- unharmed. Authorities say the young bear was later relocated to a more suitable habitat.

And down he goes. Hang on -- slo-mo one more time. Nope, not letting me.

Here we go. Breaking overnight, a new Taylor Swift song. It's called "I Knew It, I Knew You" and it's for the new "Toy Story 5" movie. Here's a bit of it.

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TAYLOR SWIFT, SINGER-SONGWRITER: Singing "I Knew It, I Knew You."

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BOLDUAN: Tatay says she wrote on Instagram that she has been a fan of "Toy Story" since she was about five years old. That's a really cute video. And included this cute video from when she was a little one. She says creating a song for the character of Jessie was a new challenge and also felt like second-nature all at once. "Toy Story 5" comes out later this month.

This comes also as Forbes just announced that Taylor Swift is now a two billionaire. Much of that wealth comes from her Era Tour, of course, which wrapped in 2024, and her recent albums, including those re-recordings of her older music.

Lego just dropped its largest set ever, a replica of the massive Catholic Basilica Sagrada Familia in Barcelona. The set includes the church's 18 towers, a stained glass window effect, and includes a total of 12,060 pieces. It is also not small. It's two feet tall and 18 inches wide. The set commemorates 100 years since the death of architect and artist Gaudi. You can preorder it now for nearly $800. I mean, I know that's totally not even close to cheap but that is impressive.

The pay -- the papal-PayPal payout. Thanks, guys. Like I needed a challenge like that on a Friday. A great moment at the Vatican when the state treasurer of Illinois handed Pope Leo a check.

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MICHAEL FRERICHS, ILLINOIS STATE TREASURER: We would like to return this to you from your PayPal account, $8.65.

POPE LEO XIV: They hung -- they hung up on me on the phone. It's a true, slightly modified, but true story in Illinois. Thank you.

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BOLDUAN: You heard that right -- $8.65. That treasurer says they found the PayPal money in the state's unclaimed property account last year. And so they've been trying to get it back to the pope since then to no avail. So when he was invited -- the treasurer -- to the Vatican as part of a Chicago delegation, the treasurer decided to deliver it in person.

As for the pope, this feels very on brand. Did you hear that mention of him getting hung up on the phone? Do you remember that? It was about a month ago when his longtime friend actually told the story that the pope tried calling his bank to change his address to Rome and they kept insisting he needed to come in person to make the change. And when said, "Well, I can't really do that because I'm in Rome, I'm the pope now," the customer service rep hung up on him. So it's another example of oh, popes, they're just like us when it comes to the joys of customer service sometimes.

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BERMAN: A brand-new documentary premieres Sunday on HBO. It tells the story of Earth, Wind & Fire, the band that spans decades and genres.

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RALPH JOHNSON, SINGER AND PERCUSSIONIST, EARTH, WIND & FIRE, AUTHOR, "RHYTHM & FIRE": The first note is something that happens.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel my heart open up. You get to moving. Hey.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then you hear nah, nah, nah, nah, nah, nah.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wow! PHILIP BAILEY, MEMBER, EARTH, WIND & FIRE: And that's when the funk starts.

BARACK OBAMA, (D), FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I'm saying to myself if they can do that, what can I do?

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BERMAN: They are, of course, talking about "September," but Earth, Wind & Fire has been making people dance with countless hits, including "Let's Groove," "Boogie Wonderland," "Shining Star," and so many more -- like, so, so many more. They're one of the best-selling bands of all time with more than 90 million records sold.

And with us now from Earth, Wind & Fire and author of the new book "Rhythm & Fire," Ralph Johnson. It is such an honor to have you here.

JOHNSON: Good morning, John. How are you?

BERMAN: I'm doing OK.

JOHNSON: Thank you for having me. I had a late night last night so I'm still, you know --

BERMAN: Well, no. But you had a late night because you were watching the new documentary --

JOHNSON: Yes.

BERMAN: -- which I had a chance to see. And I told you when you walked in. I said, "I saw it. It's the wild ride." And your response was "Imagine living it."

JOHNSON: Imagine -- yeah, yes. It was quite a ride and I'm glad it's now documented. It's pretty cool to take a -- like a retrospective look back at what you've done because in the moment when you're doing it, you're just doing it and you don't ever think that 50 years -- or 55 years from now you'll be looking back at it, you know. It's been -- it's been quite an adventure.

BERMAN: What's it like to watch yourself in history? It had to be weird sitting there.

JOHNSON: It's a little different. First off, you do see how you've aged --

BERMAN: Ha! Not a minute.

JOHNSON: -- you know. Uh, but it's interesting because you get the sense of what people were checking out when we were coming up through the ranks and what they were seeing on stage.

BERMAN: One of the things I have always loved about Earth, Wind & Fire, in every era when you're watching the documentary it's a big band. I mean, there's a lot going on, on stage. JOHNSON: Twelve on stage, you know, with the horn players and the --

but you know what? We're not standing in one place and that's one of the things that Maurice wanted to get quite clear from the beginning. We weren't going to be a band that was just standing around on stage.

And that's when we called in George Faison who, as you know, choreographed "The Wiz" on Broadway. And we brought George in and he taught us how to move and how to dance. And so that's what we do today.

BERMAN: And that's actually one of the things you write about in your book. You know, you say it's not just a performance, it's a craft. What do you mean?

JOHNSON: It's a craft and it's an energy. And every night that we go out all of us shoot for personal best. So -- and it's a craft that we have worked on for a very long time.

BERMAN: The hiatus -- when the band was no longer for a little bit. And let me just read you a little bit from your book, which you wrote -- but "The gap taught me more about who I am than I care to admit."

What did it teach you?

JOHNSON: Yeah. Well, you know what? One thing, it took -- it taught me patience. Uh, it taught me about trust. Because when we brought the band back together in '88 I had to make a decision of whether or not I really wanted to come back into it after the way it was dispersed and broken up.

Because the way it happened was Maurice called a meeting one day and he said, "Hey, guess what? I'm about to do my solo album. Philip is about to do his solo album. And you guys can do whatever you want to do."

Well, I don't think that was a good way to do that --

BERMAN: I'm not so sure --

JOHNSON: -- you know?

BERMAN: -- that that's a good way to break up and (INAUDIBLE).

JOHNSON: You could have -- you could have given us some warning. You could have just said, "OK. In six months we're cutting it and I'm going to take a break, blah, blah, blah." But it was just that cut and dry.

And so then now you're scrambling. Now you're trying to figure out what to do next. It was quite an experience.

BERMAN: And it was -- you were scrambling. I mean, it was --

JOHNSON: Oh, I took on a few odd jobs.

BERMAN: Stereo store? JOHNSON: Yes, Federated Stereo on Sunset and La Brea.

BERMAN: And put -- you know, installing --

JOHNSON: I was installing fire protection systems at the Sports Club in west L.A., which is on Santa Monica and Sepulveda. Ha, ha!

BERMAN: Which is incredible when you think about it.

JOHNSON: Well --

BERMAN: And I'm not suggesting it's not great work, but you could have -- when you were doing it you could have looked back and say eight years ago, I was playing to tens and tens of thousands of people.

JOHNSON: Well, you know what? When you have a family coming online you've got to do what you've got to do. And so that's what I did. It worked out. Here we are 50-plus years later still in the game.

BERMAN: Can you believe it?

JOHNSON: It's hard to believe because when you first get in it you just want to be in it for that moment, but you don't think that 50-55 years later you'll still be in it. The longevity is incredible, you know.