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Election Results for California's 21st Congressional District; Absentee Ballot Irregularities in Another North Carolina County; New Details on the Russia Investigation. Aired 10-11p ET

Aired December 06, 2018 - 22:00   ET

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[22:00:00] CHRIS CUOMO, CNN HOST: Thank you for watching. CNN Tonight with Don Lemon starts right now.

DON LEMON, CNN HOST: Wisconsin we have the Governor-elect Evers, he was on last night.

CUOMO: I saw.

LEMON: Two nights ago. And then tonight we're going to have Martha Lanning, who's ahead of the Wisconsin Democratic Party, to talk about what they're doing. They're trying to get people out to protest, to call Governor Scott Walker who's on his way out, to make sure he doesn't sign off on this. But it is appearing that the governor is going to sign off.

CUOMO: It will be revisited upon them.

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LEMON: Michigan, I should say. Yes.

CUOMO: It will be revisited. If this happens the people will not forget, Don. I know those states. I've traveled there a bunch. Those people care about their state. They're very conscientious. You can't generalize about people. But I'm telling you, those states, they will remember that you stole their election from them.

LEMON: Yes. And there are a lot of Republicans too in the state, in both those states, who are not on board with this. It's mainly the -- there are some who are. But it's mainly the folks in the legislature, the people who lost and they're upset that they lost and they don't want to accept the outcome of the election. It doesn't matter if Democrats were doing it. We should be--

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CUOMO: No, because Democrats are doing it, you call it out.

LEMON: You call it out yes.

CUOMO: You call it. This is a no-brainer. This is a layup.

LEMON: Yes.

CUOMO: You lost. Elections have consequences. Get out. Do better the next time.

LEMON: Yes. I've got to run. A lot of show to get ahead -- a lot of show ahead. Thank you very much, Chris. I'll see you tomorrow.

This is CNN Tonight. I'm Don Lemon.

Here is our breaking news right now. Sources are telling CNN that after President Trump's stunning firing of FBI director James Comey, deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein and then acting FBI director Andrew McCabe were so concerned that they opened an obstruction of justice investigation even before special counsel Robert Mueller was appointed.

Here's what the sources are saying. That Rosenstein and McCabe discussed the idea of Rosenstein wearing a wire while speaking with Trump. Something Rosenstein later denied.

All of this coming on the eve of what could be another huge day in the Russia investigation with Mueller's expected filing of sentencing memos for Michael Cohen and for Paul Manafort, both coming down tomorrow, it is believed.

And don't forget this. It was just two days ago that Mueller dropped the bombshell sentencing memo for Michael Flynn. A lot more on that coming up as well.

Plus, Donald Trump, hypocrite in chief? We're learning tonight that while this president has been railing against immigrants, calling them criminals, rapists, even animals, his private golf club in Bedminster, New Jersey where the initiation fee alone is more than $100,000, has employed people, managers allegedly knew were in the country illegally.

That is according to the New York Times. one woman the Times talked to says that she was a housekeeper at the club for more than five years. Making the president's bed. Cleaning his bathroom. And standing on the sidelines as he met with potential cabinet members.

The Times notes that there is no evidence the president or top executives at the Trump organization knew the workers were here illegally.

The Trump organization issuing a statement saying this, "We have tens of thousands of employees across our properties and have very strict hiring practices. If an employee submitted false documentation in an attempt to circumvent the law, they will be terminated immediately."

But the women who talked to the Times say their managers knew and took steps to help them evade detection and keep their jobs. But maybe this president, who has threatened to shut down the federal government over funding for his promised border wall--

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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: A possible shutdown if we don't get the wall money. If we don't get border security, possible shutdown.

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LEMON: Maybe he should shut down Bedminster. Maybe it should be shut down. Maybe he should clean house himself first. But Donald Trump has a long history of allegations of employing undocumented workers when it suits him. OK?

He paid over a million dollars in 1998 to settle a lawsuit over a crew of 200 undocumented Polish workers on the site that eventually became Trump tower on Fifth Avenue. And that is not even the most blatant example of Trump's hypocrisy on immigration.

[22:04:54] Remember when he tweeted chain migration must end now. So, people come in and they bring their whole family with them. Yes. Some people do. People like President Trump's mother-in-law and father-in- law, who became citizens in August after their daughter, Melania Trump, sponsored them for green cards.

And there's nothing wrong with that. What's wrong, the hypocrisy here, what's hypocritical, is this president demonizing immigrants for his own political purposes. One of those women who talked to the Times said it best. Quote, "We are tired of the abuse, the insults, the way he talks about us when he knows that we are here helping him make money."

Remember, Donald Trump launched his campaign with this infamous attack on Mexicans.

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TRUMP: When Mexico sends its people, they're not sending their best. They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists.

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LEMON: He built his rallies around tirades against immigrants.

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TRUMP: We are bringing in some very bad, bad people. We don't want this group of people anymore. These aren't people. These are animals.

The United States will not be a migrant camp, and it will not be a refugee holding facility. It won't be.

When countries abuse us by sending their people up. Not their best. We're not going to give any more aid to those countries. Why the hell should we?

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LEMON: He used blatant scare tactics in the run-up to the midterms, trying to gin up fears of the caravan of migrants on our southern border. Migrants from Central America, many of them not so different from the allegedly undocumented workers at Trump's golf club.

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TRUMP: It's going to be an election of the caravan. You know what I'm talking about.

These are tough people. These are not angels. These are not little angels.

These people are vicious. And they broke through into Mexico, throwing rocks and stones. This is the second caravan.

These are the same caravans that have violently overrun Mexican soldiers and police. You saw this. We're not dealing with babies here, folks.

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LEMON: He separated immigrant children from their parents, putting them in cages. And despite the president's promise to end the separations in June, at least 81 more children have been taken from their parents in recent months. He promised again and again and again to build a wall to keep immigrants out.

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TRUMP: We're going to build a wall. Don't worry about it.

It's not going to be a little wall. It's going to be a big beautiful wall.

It's going to be such a beautiful wall. It's going to be so big. It's going to be so powerful. It's going to be as beautiful as a wall can be.

Who's going to pay for the wall?

We need security. We need the wall. We're going to have that wall.

It's not, build that wall anymore. It's, continue building that wall.

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LEMON: Fact check. I know some of you don't like that. Facts. The wall is not being built. Some existing segments of fence are being replaced. Which is a far cry from building what this president still loves to call a big beautiful wall. And who's going to pay for it? Mexico's made it crystal clear they're not going to pay for it. That's why he's asking for money.

He's fighting to take protections away from 700,000 hardworking young DREAMers, kids who epitomize what this country stands for, who were brought here as children. That battle is still in the courts.

The hypocrisy of this president is stunning. Do as I say, not as I do. Pay no attention to the undocumented workers at my golf club. While I'm slamming immigrants and taking their children from them. Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain. Facts do matter, people. Hello. And the truth hurts. I know some of you don't like to hear it. But that is the truth. That's the way it is.

I want to bring in now Sara Murray. Sara is going to talk about our breaking news tonight. Sara, good evening to you. So, tell us what CNN has learned tonight about this obstruction of justice investigation of President Trump, the one opened before Mueller was even appointed.

SARA MURRAY, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, we're learning there was that eight-day span after President Trump fired then FBI director James Comey. And parentally, the feeling among some top Justice Department officials was the president needed to be reined in.

This is according to multiple sources who talked to my colleague Pam Brown. And remember they were spit balling ideas about how that should be done. That's when there was this discussion about whether deputy Attorney General Rod Rosenstein should maybe wear a wire around the president.

[22:10:02] Rosenstein of course has denied that. We're now learning that then the head of the FBI Andrew McCabe, he was the acting director, decided to take a pretty incredible step, which was to open an obstruction of justice investigation. This was of course before they even made the decision that the special counsel was going to be appointed, Don.

LEMON: Sara, so why would Rosenstein open an investigation like this when it was his own memo that the White House used to justify firing Comey in the first place?

MURRAY: First of all, awkward situation. It's continued to be an awkward situation with Rod Rosenstein in the Justice Department. He's obviously had a rocky relationship with the president. But I think there are a couple things at play here.

Obviously, there was this spit balling, this feeling that the president was somehow out of control, now one Justice Department official says this is not how Rod Rosenstein felt, they're denying it. But there are other things that play out besides just the decision to fire James Comey, even before the president made that move.

There is already a discussion among top officials at the Justice Department about the potential of opening an obstruction investigation because of what happened around national security adviser Michael Flynn. Remember when Donald Trump had this private meeting with James Comey, he encouraged Comey when he was still leading the FBI to let the whole thing, let the whole investigation into Flynn go and that began to raise alarms with people in the Justice Department even before Trump decided to go ahead and fire Comey.

LEMON: Sara, did President Trump know that this obstruction case was open?

MURRAY: You know, we really don't know the answer to that at this point, Don. There was no public signal, obviously, that the president knew. And we didn't sort of hear him expressing alarm about that at the same -- in the way we've seen him express alarm about other investigations. For instance, when the special counsel was named.

So, we're not sure if at the time the president realized that he was already becoming, you know, a focus of this investigation. We know that before he fired James Comey, he asked James Comey directly, you know, am I a target and Comey told him he wasn't. But it's unclear what he knew after Comey was fired.

LEMON: Sara, thank you. I appreciate your reporting. We've got a lot more coming up. Breaking news tonight, top FBI officials discussed opening an obstruction of justice case against President Trump just one month into his presidency.

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Here's our breaking news tonight. FBI officials opened up an investigation, an obstruction of justice investigation into President Trump before Robert Mueller was ever appointed special counsel.

Let's discuss now. Scott Jennings is here, Chris Cillizza and Rick Wilson as well. Rick is the author of "Everything Trump Touches Dies." Also, he was grooming himself right there. He's getting pretty. What were you doing? Were you taking your glasses off?

RICK WILSON, REPUBLICAN STRATEGIST: You caught me.

LEMON: What were you doing there? Powdering--

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WILSON: I was, Don. I was.

LEMON: Lipstick. I don't know.

WILSON: Yes.

CHRIS CILLIZZA, CNN POLITICS REPORTER AND EDITOR-AT-LARGE: It's only glasses on TV.

WILSON: It's my delicate complexion.

LEMON: So, seriousness to get to. So, listen, we are learning, Rick -- I'll start with you. We are learning barely a month into his presidency--

WILSON: Sure.

LEMON: -- top FBI officials were already discussing opening an obstruction of justice case on Trump after Comey reported that he asked him to, you know, to let the Flynn investigation go. He couldn't even make it a month?

WILSON: Don -- no, of course not. Look, this is a president who was obstructing justice from the second he sat down in the chair. He obviously intended to obstruct justice by trying to manipulate Jim, Jim Comey into letting Jim -- into letting Mike Flynn off the hook.

And so, an obstruction investigation is an obvious, logical procedural legal step that would be taken by anyone who is like above the level of a flatworm in terms of being able to analyze the law that applies here. And so, I'm not surprised by this at all. I'm surprised it hasn't leaked before this, which says a lot about the FBI's, you know, ability to keep a secret. But it's an obvious step when a president is so completely blatantly trying to subvert the law.

LEMON: Chris, before deciding on an obstruction investigation, the idea of Rosenstein wearing a wire while speaking with Trump was also discussed. What does it say about this White House that that would ever be suggested? I mean, let alone less than four months into a presidency.

CILLIZZA: Well, so I think we knew from the Comey memos, we knew that there was a let's say, misunderstanding at best or disinterest in understanding from Donald Trump the sort of ways in which the Justice Department and the president of the United States interacted.

So, I think Comey comes back and is documenting these things via memo. I mean, look, you wouldn't have a one-on-one conversation with the FBI director in which you ask him to let this whole Flynn thing go because he's a good guy if you understood or cared about that boundary.

So, I think what you're seeing, the reaction from the Justice Department was, we're dealing with something that we don't think we've seen in recent years. We need to think through our options.

I always remind people, I know that Donald Trump has denied he said can you see a way to let this go as it relates to Flynn to Comey. He's -- Donald Trump has said that. James Comey has said it under oath. So, you can say -- we can say almost anything we like. There's a difference between doing that and testifying to that in front of Congress that carries criminal penalties. So, these are not equal things.

Donald Trump saying, he didn't say it. James Comey saying, he did say it. Let's not treat them as six of one, half dozen of the other.

LEMON: Scott, I'm sure you have nothing to say about this. I know you have a lot to say about this. Before I get my question, I think you should respond as someone who supports this president. What do you think?

SCOTT JENNINGS, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes, you know, looking at all the personalities that are involved here, if the president were going to be investigated for obstruction, I'm glad that Robert Mueller is handling it ultimately. If that's what's going on.

As opposed to McCabe. I mean, after we found out everything we know about McCabe at this point, I'd trust Robert Mueller to get it right. I'm not sure I trust McCabe to get something like this right.

LEMON: You think this new reporting puts Rosenstein in peril? JENNINGS: Well, it's a rehash of what we heard before about the

wiretap, and then we know since that time he met with the president and there was widespread speculation he would be fired, and he wasn't.

So, it looks like they cleared the air on that point. But sure, I think anytime your name is in a news article that the president's going to hate, you know, you're going to have an anxiety-filled night. So, we'll see what happens. But they've met since this came out and he's still in his job.

LEMON: Does this give you any sort of pause as a supporter of the president, any of this reporting, that four months in, you know--

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[22:20:00] JENNINGS: I mean, look--

LEMON: -- obstruction, wearing a wire?

JENNINGS: I mean, I don't feel like we know anything we didn't already know, which is at the beginning of this administration the president did some things that caught the attention of law enforcement. He's now been under almost a two-year investigation. And it's going to conclude hopefully pretty soon. And my hope is that people are found not to have done anything wrong. That's my fervent hope.

LEMON: Do you think it's going to conclude soon when you look at the memo from--

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JENNINGS: Well, I hope it does because--

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LEMON: There's a lot of redactions there.

JENNINGS: I know.

LEMON: And there's a lot of unknowns.

JENNINGS: And we have documents coming out at the end of this week about other parts of this. I hope it concludes soon because the American people still want to know exactly what Russia did and how they did it. And we're about to enter the next presidential cycle. We've got to know exactly how these guys did it.

LEMON: There are known knowns and unknown knowns. I forget how that went. But anyway. So, Rick, you know, President Trump's answers for the special counsel will likely become a big part of the investigation. Here's what the president said about it.

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TRUMP: My lawyers don't write answers. I write answers. I was asked a series of questions. I've answered them easily.

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LEMON: OK. So, this is Rudy Giuliani, his attorney. This is what Rudy Giuliani told the Atlantic. He said, "answering those questions was a nightmare. It took him about three weeks to do what would normally take two days." OK. Very easily or a nightmare. Whose description do you believe?

WILSON: I think that Donald Trump's instinct is to answer as Donald Trump, you know, the con man would like to answer and try to flimflam it. I think every attorney was holding the crayon in Donald Trump's hand trying to keep him from writing the wrong answer the entire time. And trying to constrain and bound the answer so that Donald Trump doesn't, you know, perjure himself or open up entirely new windows for investigation.

But I suspect that the answers that Donald Trump wrote and that his attorneys tried to constrain him into writing are window dressing in terms of the evidence that Robert Mueller's accumulated from other witnesses and other information in the course of this.

So, the president not giving actual verbal testimony was always -- I thought he would never do it. I never thought it was likely that he would do it. So, I think that these answers are less risky for him than the verbal testimony but they're still probably fraught with a lot of peril because he is a man who is, as we've noticed, inclined to lie on the daily.

And so, the answers he wrote and submitted to the special prosecutor are things that are going to be, you know, graded against other intelligence and other matters that he has been able to extract from, Flynn, Manafort, et cetera. I think it's dangerous for the president.

LEMON: Scott, I've got to get your reaction to the New York Times report that Trump's New Jersey golf club employed people that managers allegedly knew were in the country illegally as, you know, Trump was out railing against, demonizing illegal immigrants, illegal immigrants were also ironing his boxers, cleaning reportedly the orange stains on his shirts. How is this not hypocrisy? How is this not hypocritical?

JENNINGS: Well, it certainly is going to appear that way. And I would just say, though, are we surprised? I think a quarter of everybody who cleans things in this country or is in the maid service industry, in that sort of business, they're undocumented immigrants. And so, of course he's in that business.

That's why his position on immigration has never been nuanced enough for me because we know construction, agriculture, the service industry, these industries depend on people who come here to work. There's like eight million undocumented workers in this country.

And so, I think it's fine to have a legal immigration system that respects that. But he's never had that nuanced opinion. I hope this story he takes as a sign from God that he and he alone can lead the Republican Party to a massive comprehensive deal on immigration reform, he can get his wall, he can fix DACA, he can get the labor to these industries. Talk to a farmer about when they had to hire somebody. So, this is a sign. Take it as a sign and make something happen.

LEMON: So, you're saying that he is wrong on this issue.

JENNINGS: I think that if you're in the hospitality industry or the service industry you know there are going to be people working for you--

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LEMON: So, the, OK, Scott, then why does he demonize people? He knows better. That's the whole reason that people criticize him, because as a business owner, someone who owns hotels, is in the service industry he knows what's up.

JENNINGS: I think it's fine to demonize if that's what you want to call it people who come here for nefarious purposes but these folks come here to work. And they work for him.

CILLIZZA: Don?

JENNINGS: And I would just say that there's an opportunity here to make lemons into lemonade by finally leading the Republican Party to get this issue solved.

LEMON: Don't drag me into this. But Chris, I've got to ask you, though. I mean, he never says -- he never admits what Scott is saying right now. He just continues to demonize immigrants in the country. People who come to the -- you know, the people so-called folks in the caravan and on and on.

CILLIZZA: Well, because candidly, I think Scott has probably put more thought into our immigration policy, its flaws and where it can be changed.

[22:25:03] Scott also is not simply looking to take the issue for political gain. That's what Donald Trump is doing. The idea that Donald Trump has these long-held beliefs on literally anything other than trade is just not borne out. I mean, he's been in a lot of places on these issues. The reason he talks about building the wall and the reason he talks about Mexico saying rapists and criminals, because he thinks it works.

And honestly, there's evidence that it did work. He's the president of the United States. He's not a guy who engages in any -- as far as I can tell, based on the evidence we know, any real thoughtful policy either positions or educating himself about the nuance as -- to borrow the word Scott used, of policy.

It's no issue it's totally black and white. If it were, we would have solved it already. There's a reason that the Senate passed, Republican Senate passed what looked basically like a comprehensive immigration reform package. It never went anywhere in the House.

LEMON: Yes.

CILLIZZA: Because it's not easy.

LEMON: Yes.

CILLIZZA: He does the politically expedient thing always.

LEMON: That's got to be the last word. Thank you all. I appreciate it. There's just one House race left in America that remains to be called. The race in North Carolina's 9th district is marred by allegations of election fraud. And the Democratic candidate there is taking back his concession. We're going to talk to him next.

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[22:30:21] DON LEMON, CNN HOST: Breaking news. CNN has called California's 21st Congressional district for Democrat T.J. Cox. That means Democrats have now gained 40 seats in Congress, a blue wave. And it looks like the wave has a chance to get one seat bigger. If there is an election re-do in North Carolina. In the state's 9th Congressional district, there are more allegations of election fraud in a race that a Republican won by just 905 votes.

And new tonight, Dan McCready, the Democrat in the race, says he is taking back his concession. Here's what we know right now, a political operative. That operative name is McCrae-Dowless who worked for the Republican candidate's campaign is being accused of using absentee ballots to alter the vote in Bladen County. People who worked for him have admitted to reporters that they were paid to collect ballots.

Dowless has a history of working for candidates who perform much better in absentee ballot results than they did overall. Voters say, in signed affidavits, they say that people came to their houses to fill out, collect, and hand in their ballots for them. Authorities are investigating now whether more than 1,000 absentee ballots from likely Democratic voters in North Carolina were destroyed.

And also new tonight, CNN is reporting absentee ballot irregularities in another North Carolina county. Dozens of ballots were witnessed by only four people, and those people have connections to Dowless. If those allegations are true, it is all illegal. So joining me now to discuss is Dan McCready, the Democratic candidate for Congress in North Carolina's 9th district, who tonight took back his concession in the race. Good evening. It's so good to have you on. Thank you very much.

DAN MCCREADY, (D) CANDIDATE FOR CONGRESS: Great to be on with you. Thanks for having me.

LEMON: I just want to read a key part from your statement, where you write, you said, I didn't serve overseas in the Marines to come home to (Inaudible) meaning North Carolina and watch a criminal bankrolled by my opponent, take away people's very right to vote. Do you think that this election was stolen from you by -- and your supporters by other people? MCCREADY: Well, it appears that way. My opponent, Mark Harris, hired

a convicted felon, known to perpetrate absentee ballot fraud, to handle his absentee ballot program. You mentioned the affidavits earlier. There's an affidavit saying that he may have had as many as 80 people working for his operation over multiple counties. I did start out in the Marine Corps.

That was the beginning of my professional career, where I had the honor of leading a platoon of Marines in Iraq. And I just never imagined I would come home to North Carolina only to see a case of politicians and criminals who are taking away people's voices. You know your right to vote is your voice.

That is our most sacred American right. And that's under attack here in North Carolina.

LEMON: Let's dig into it because, Dan, have you seen any evidence that your opponent, Mark Harris, knew what was going on or that he directly paid for it?

MCCREADY: Well, the evidence will be up for the State Board of Elections to examine. And I am -- I think the folks on the State Board of Elections who held a nine to nothing decision, a bipartisan unprecedented decision not to certify the race and to hold the investigation. I think that showed a lot of courage. I think it showed a lot of courage by the Republicans on that board to join the Democrats and independents to do that.

And I believe that they will hold a full and a thorough investigation to look at all the evidence and all the affidavits, and make a decision about whether this election was tainted.

LEMON: It sounds like you think the evidence might be there.

MCCREADY: It doesn't look good. It doesn't look good for my opponent Mark Harris, who has paid, hired this convicted felon to handle his absentee ballot work, and liked his services so much that he actually recommended him to other politicians. And I call on my opponent...

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LEMON: Go on. Sorry.

MCCREADY: I call on my opponent, Mark Harris, to end his silence. He has been completely silent during this entire episode. And I think he owes the American people. He needs to tell the American people exactly what he knew and when.

LEMON: So why did you retract your concession today? Obviously, it's because of what the Board of Elections found and because of the investigation, I would assume. And what do you believe should happen next?

[22:34:59] MCCREADY: You know I was in Disney World with my four little kids and my wife about two weeks ago. I had -- I thought this long -- nearly two-year campaign was over. Only to find out over the last week the -- really criminal activity bankrolled by my opponent had been occurring here in massive ways right in our district. So I was as surprised as anyone to see the board refuse to certify this election, really see how much fraud and how many irregularities, and how much criminal behavior has come out over the last week. It's been not just rolling out day by day. It's been rolling out hour by hour.

LEMON: Do you mean criminal behavior or alleged criminal behavior?

MCCREADY: Well, these affidavits don't paint a pretty picture. I mean there are people in North Carolina whose voices have been taken from them, whose voices have been silenced. I mean folks -- I think you mentioned one of them in your introduction, folks who are paid by this criminal, hired by my opponent to go to people's homes, especially the elderly.

And it appears to either throw their ballots in the trash, or tamper with their ballots, possibly fill in their ballots for them, or even -- you know, really it's disgusting and it's shameful behavior.

LEMON: You want a new election, right?

MCCREADY: Well, I think that the board should hold as they're doing a full and complete investigation. And if that investigation shows that this election was tainted, then there actually should be a new election.

LEMON: How do you make sure then that all the votes are counted?

MCCREADY: Well, ultimately, this is on the state board. We're doing everything that we can working with the authorities in the state party and the national party to try and make sure that people are brought to justice, and these people who have had their voices taken from them can find justice.

LEMON: Dan McCready, thank you so much. I really appreciate your time. Keep us updated.

MCCREADY: Thanks so much for having me on.

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