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All Eyes to New Hampshire After the Iowa Mess; Sen. Bernie Sanders Leading in the Latest Polls; A.G. Bill Barr Admits Getting Information from Rudy Giuliani. Aired 11p-12:15a ET
Aired February 10, 2020 - 23:00 ET
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DON LEMON, CNN HOST: This is CNN Tonight. I'm Don Lemon in Manchester, New Hampshire. We're live here.
The first votes in the first of the nation primary will be cast in less than one hour at midnight Eastern Time. All eyes are on New Hampshire tonight to see which Democrat comes out on top in the wake of the chaos in the Iowa caucuses last week.
So far, Bernie Sanders from neighboring Vermont is leading in the polls. Joe Biden admitting to me earlier tonight that the New Hampshire race is an uphill battle for him. He's already looking forward to Nevada and then South Carolina.
Those primaries there later this month where he is counting on a lot of African-American support.
Lots to discuss right now. Joining me is Mark McKinnon who was an adviser to George W. Bush and John McCain. Also, Olivia Nuzzi, Washington correspondent for New York magazine. So great to have both of you here. Thank you so much.
MARK MCKINNON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: Yes.
OLIVIA NUZZI, WASHINGTON CORRESPONDENT, NEW YORK MAGAZINE: Thank you.
LEMON: Mark, I'm going to start with you. Less than an hour away from the first votes in New Hampshire. Can you believe we're saying that? Currently 11 Democratic presidential candidates in this. Who has the most at stake in the next 24 hours?
MCKINNON: Joe Biden. The vice president who was supposed to be the nominal front runner for this thing who said that his whole campaign was built on, sort of inevitability, that he was the guy that could beat Trump. Expected to come out of Iowa certainly in the front tier, had a very poor showing.
And the problem is, this is the point in the campaign, there is an old Haley Barbour saying this is when -- this is when good gets better and bad gets worse. That's really hard to change the physics. So, Biden is really in a bad sort of death spiral right now. And you can just -- you go to -- I mean, he's already lowering expectations here.
LEMON: You're not so optimistic about his chances?
MCKINNON: I'm not optimistic about him. Because you know, the whole rationale for his campaign has collapsed.
LEMON: Electability.
MCKINNON: Electability, exactly. And if you can't win in Iowa and you can't win in New Hampshire how are you going to beat the president of the United States? And you know, voters in South Carolina, black, brown, no matter what color they are, get that.
LEMON: Yes. Well, you know, we'll talk more about that. Olivia, in New Hampshire, the New Hampshire primary, undeclared voters can vote in Republican or Democratic primaries with Trump essentially running uncontested. There's likely going to be a lot of action with the Democrats. Who do you think this benefits the most?
NUZZI: Well, I think that Donald Trump, the campaign has had a kind of show of force here, they had a rally tonight in Manchester. They did the same thing in Iowa where they had several events leading up to the caucus and on the day of the caucus and there was really no reason for them to be there. He has no opponents really.
The only remaining Republican challenger is Bill Weld who's not polling competitively with Donald Trump. And so, I think the campaign is attempting to, you know, kind of juxtapose the chaos of the Democratic field and what happened in Iowa with this organized, successful showing on their part.
LEMON: Is it about suppression, you think, suppressing the Democratic vote at all or --
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NUZZI: I don't think it's about suppressing --
LEMON: -- is it about showing that they're enthused and organized and the Democrats are not.
NUZZI: I think so. I think it's the same strategy that they had in Iowa. It's really just about showing what they can do.
And you know, Brad Parscale, the campaign manager told New York magazine right before the Iowa caucus that this was really just a preview of what they were going to be bringing to the general election. It seems like kind of a way of puffing up their chest.
But I wanted to say on your point about Joe Biden, their -- their argument the entire time has been that they are, you know, steady, they are controlled, they're the adults in the room. And they -- that's why he's the most electable candidate. That really does fall apart when your campaign is not performing.
MCKINNON: There's another big problem for Joe Biden and his name is Mike Bloomberg. So ,Biden has ran out his money. He's pulled out his resources out of Nevada and South Carolina and put them here, I would have argued maybe they should have done the other thing just get out of here and get to South Carolina immediately.
But the problem is on all those Super Tuesday states where he's running out of money or has no money hadn't been able to buy television, there's a guy named Mike Bloomberg who's buying hundreds of millions of dollars and every vote that he's getting it's coming out of Joe Biden.
LEMON: He's saying he's raising upwards of $300,000 a day.
MCKINNON: Joe Biden?
LEMON: Yes.
MCKINNON: Well, he's not putting any of that in Super Tuesday states and Mike Bloomberg is.
NUZZI: And he's always had trouble fundraising since the beginning of this campaign he's never been as big of a fundraiser as Bernie Sanders or other -- or his other competitors. And I think now he's suffering for that where --
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LEMON: There's also the --
MCKINNON: That's not much money.
LEMON: I know. It's also the -- again, that's also the structure of his support, right, big money donors versus smaller money donors who can --
MCKINNON: Exactly.
LEMON: -- who can -- copped out.
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MCKINNON: And those big money donors can't, they're capped out.
LEMON: Right. Right.
MCKINNON: So, they can't give more if they wanted to and he's not getting new voters.
LEMON: Right. Right. Right.
MCKINNON: And that's where Bernie has such a long runway because all -- most of his donors can still give more.
LEMON: Let's talk about independent voters, made up 40 percent of the Democratic primary voters. That was in 2016. That contributed to the surge for Sanders, this huge victory, right there. I mean, do you think that he's going to get much independent support here again?
MCKINNON: Well, you know part of this is expectations game, right? He won last time by 22 points. People expect him to win big. So, again, the story in a lot of these primary states is not necessarily who wins but who beats or doesn't beat expectations.
So, under this scenario Sanders may win but it's not that big of a story. The story could be Amy Klobuchar coming in third. You know, she's the little engine that could keep up --
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LEMON: I would -- I've been telling you about a dark horse in this campaign, I've been saying --
MCKINNON: Yes.
LEMON: -- it's Amy Klobuchar.
MCKINNON: We had this conversation --
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LEMON: We have this conversation before.
MCKINNON: -- a few weeks ago.
LEMON: Yes, yes. It's also benefiting though that she is a Midwestern and --
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MCKINNON: Midwestern but she did really well in the debate the other night. She's got to picked up a bunch of endorsements here, and she's a classic kind of New Hampshire candidate. New Hampshire likes to upset the table.
LEMON: Yes. New Hampshire likes to do it. We say New Hampshire likes to be the contrarian to Iowa.
MCKINNON: Exactly.
LEMON: Correct? Let's talk about Iowa --
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MCKINNON: Iowa picks corn, New Hampshire picks the winners.
LEMON: Yes. Listen, let me grab my glasses because I want to -- I got to read this right. This is, to me, I remember covering this, right, as a reporter not so young then.
In 2000, Mayor Pete Buttigieg was a high schooler. I can't believe that. A high schooler who wrote a nearly 1,000-word tribute to Bernie Sanders for the JFK profiling encourage S.A. contests. He wrote that he admired Sanders. Sanders embrace of socialism. Now he's in a fierce battle with a politician that he once praise attacking him for his views. Could anyone has predicted this rivalry do you think?
NUZZI: I think at the beginning of this race the thing that Buttigieg is really benefitted from is that the expectations for him early on were not very high. He was an unknown entity, he spent the last year really upping his name I.D., getting a lot of media coverage.
And he's sort of -- he's suffered, I think, at the right time. He had a lot of difficult stories months ago and he's kind of been able to bounce back from that. And I think that's not really surprising that now it's him versus people like Joe Biden and Bernie Sanders. I think he's kind of irritating a lot of the other campaigns --
LEMON: Yes.
NUZZI: -- when you talk to them privately. They are annoyed by his rise and his persistence and how well he's doing.
LEMON: I remember covering Y2K and I just get -- that just struck me, he was in high school, my gosh. Olivia --
NUZZI: You're 30.
LEMON: I was -- I was older than 30.
So, listen. There's a new national Quinnipiac poll that shows that Sanders with 25 percent support among Democrats and Democratic leaning independents, Biden at 17, Bloomberg is at 15, Warren, 14, Buttigieg 10 percent, Klobuchar 4 percent. It's just one poll but, I mean, is Sanders the new front runner?
NUZZI: Well, I don't know if you can go that far given the results in Iowa, or what we know about the results in Iowa. But I think that certainly when you talk to other campaigns, they're very worried about Sanders. I think they're more worried right now in some ways about Bloomberg because we don't yet know what the effect of his spending will be and how the national polling will translate when it comes time to vote in these states.
They're worried about Buttigieg as well but they're really focusing their attention on Sanders and on Bloomberg.
LEMON: Yes.
NUZZI: And I think in some way that might allow Buttigieg to kind of fly under the radar and emerge from these early contests as kind of unscathed by the other campaigns.
LEMON: But let's talk about that. You've got Bloomberg. I'm going to let you respond in this. Bloomberg is third in this poll. I mean, it's pretty incredible you have this independent, right, he's not even a Democrat.
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MCKINNON: Money can buy you love.
LEMON: Independent senator who calls him a Democratic socialist but he's an independent and still, a former Republican billionaire mayor --
MCKINNON: Yes.
LEMON: -- all vying for the Democratic nomination. What does that say to you?
MCKINNON: It's funny, you have Sanders, you got Bloomberg, you got Trump, all of whom really have no party identification. Just is a testament to the --
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LEMON: Trump was a Democrat. Bloomberg was a Republican.
MCKINNON: -- fact that party is relate on me. But here's -- to your point about Sanders, yes, he will be the front runner. Here's why. Because he's running really as the progressive. And if he comes out strong and Warren doesn't, Warren's really got nowhere to go after here, her support is -- a lot of it is going to go to Sanders.
And on the other side of the aisle you've got Bloomberg, you've got Buttigieg, and maybe Klobuchar splitting all up the vote, and Sanders will have it all to himself.
NUZZI: And you've seen people say it's a hometown advantage for Sanders. But what about Warren?
MCKINNON: Yes.
NUZZI: She's tied right now with 11 percent on average in the polling.
LEMON: Yes.
NUZZI: I don't think that you can really chalk up Sanders' numbers here to being because he's from a neighboring state as Joe Biden would like people to believe.
LEMON: All right. Thank you, both.
MCKINNON: Kick it.
LEMON: Thank you, both. We've got to get out there because the first votes are about to come in.
MCKINNON: I love this. Dixville Notch. I love Dixville --
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[23:10:00] LEMON: Yes. Dixville Notch. CNN's Brian Todd joins us now. Thanks,
guys. Brian Todd he is in Dixville Notch, New Hampshire, one of three small towns where the very first votes will be cast at the stroke of midnight. That's not so far away, Brian Todd. So, first votes are coming in, what are you -- what are we going to see at midnight?
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Don, in less than an hour you're going to see a wonderful down-home New Hampshire voting tradition unfold as it has every presidential cycle for the past 60 years.
This is the 60th anniversary of the Dixville Notch vote and we're going to show you kind of the room where it's going to unfold here. This is the voting room at the Balsams Resort. The Balsams Resort has been here since 1865, shut down in 2011 but they still hold the vote here.
The resort is in the process of being renovated now and so they're having it in an alternative house where they've always had the vote. But this is the room where it's going to unfold. You see the beautiful kind of Americana decor here, and that's a tradition as well.
It all started with this gentleman here, Neil Tillotson. He bought the resort in the 1950s. But when the 1960 presidential cycle came around according to people here, he was told that he'd have to drive maybe an hour to vote, he didn't want to do that.
So he worked with the state to set up some rules here where if you have at least five people to vote, you can hold a vote in your kind of home precinct and he set it up so that the Dixville Notch vote can take place here at the stroke of midnight.
And his son, Tom Tillotson is the one who is the town moderator right now. He is going to be the one running this vote in less than an hour. You're going to have a total of five voters here, they'll be seated here and standing over here. They'll kind of gavel it in.
Tom Tillotson is going to gavel it in at the stroke of midnight. They're going to vote. We're going to see the tally. We're going to bring this all to you live by the way.
And what's interesting now is that this here, they were in a little bit of danger of not being able to hold the caucus here because of state election rules --
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LEMON: It almost didn't happen.
TODD: -- saying that of course you have to have at least five people. well, they had -- right. They had four people because one gentleman who's been living here, kind of on and off, he moved away and then came back, his name is Les Otten, well he decided to actually come back late in the year in 2019 and establish his residence here. He's actually also now the new owner of the Balsams Resort.
He is renovating the resort. He hopes to get it back up and running in about two years' time. But he got here just in the nick of time, Don, to register his residency here and he became the fifth voter. We're going to see and hopefully hear from him in less than an hour.
LEMON: He saved Christmas. Well, not Christmas. He saved the election. Thank you, Brian. We'll be looking forward to it.
TODD: He did.
LEMON: We'll get back to you live in Dixville Notch where the first votes will be cast.
President Trump spreading another debunked conspiracy theory at his rally here in New Hampshire tonight, and this one really is a whopper. Luckily, CNN fact checker Daniel Dale is here to separate fact from fiction. That's next.
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LEMON: President Trump holding a rally tonight in New Hampshire ahead of tomorrow's Democratic primary and a whole lot of what he said doesn't really pass the smell test.
Let's get a fact check now on what he had to say with CNN's Daniel Dale. Daniel, hello, thanks for joining us. President Trump retells the story that he has repeated so many times about hundreds and hundreds of buses being shipped to New Hampshire in 2016, insinuating voter irregularities. Watch.
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DONALD TRUMP, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA: Remember last time we won the primary tremendously, we should have won the election but they had buses being shipped up from Massachusetts, hundreds and hundreds of buses.
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LEMON: What's the reality?
DANIEL DALE, CNN REPORTER: The reality, Don, is that this is a lie, this is fiction. There is no basis for it and New Hampshire election authorities looked into this in part because of the president's allegations and simply found no evidence whatsoever.
They found that in cases where buses were used to transport voters, they were legal voters, proper voters, nothing wrong with them and so this is a conspiracy theory the president has cooked up, contradicted even by his own former campaign manager Corey Lewandowski, a New Hampshire man, who said that he himself has seen no evidence for it.
LEMON: It's like his voter fraud commission that was supposed to find all the voter fraud and was disbanded because there was none. Listen -- or they didn't find substantial. The president also spoke about his impeachment votes. Watch this.
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TRUMP: In the House we won 196 to nothing and then we got three Democrats. And in the Senate, other than Romney, we had --
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TRUMP: -- we got 52 to nothing, 52 to nothing. And something.
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LEMON: OK. So, he said it was 196 to nothing and 52 to nothing. It somehow -- I don't remember reporting these supposed, unanimous decisions, why is that?
DALE: This is almost comical. So, what he's doing here obviously is writing out of history all of the votes for the other side against him. So, in the Senate he was acquitted of course, he did win those votes but on the article of impeachment where Romney defected and voted against him the vote was 52, yes, but to 48. Fifty to 48.
So what Trump is doing here is like the Kansas City Chiefs saying we won the Super Bowl 31 to nothing. Well, no, the other side put up some points. In the House of curse is even egregious. He lost all those impeachment votes. He was impeached. So, while he did get 196, 197, 198 votes there were many more votes in the 200s to impeach him. So, yes, he's trying to rewrite history a little bit here, Don.
LEMON: He seems to think that he wasn't impeached but I'll go on. So, he says that he is hearing about a lot of Republicans crossing over to vote in the New Hampshire primary.
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TRUMP: We hear that there could be, because you have crossovers in primaries, don't you, so I hear a lot of Republicans tomorrow will vote for the weakest candidate possible of the Democrats. Does that make sense? You people wouldn't do that.
My only problem is, I'm trying to figure out who is their weakest candidate? I think they're all weak.
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LEMON: So, what kind of impact, Daniel, can Republicans have in the primary? I mean, what's the whole truth here?
DALE: If you are a Republican, a registered Republican in New Hampshire, do not try to vote in the Democratic primary because you won't be allowed to. If you're an undeclared voter, not aligned with either party, you can vote in the Democratic primary, of course if you're a Democrat, you can do so as well. But if you're registered as a Republican you can't show up and vote and you can't switch your registration tomorrow either. So, the president is giving you some bad advice. LEMON: Fact checker, CNN's fact checker, extraordinary Daniel Dale.
Thank you, sir. I appreciate your time.
DALE: Thank you.
LEMON: The Attorney General Bill Barr with a big revelation today confirming the DOJ is taking information from Rudy Giuliani's hunt for allegations from Ukraine to harm Joe Biden. What Democrats are saying about it and how Barr is defending the whole thing.
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LEMON: The Attorney General William Barr revealing today that the DOJ is reviewing information that Rudy Giuliani has gathered about Ukraine. President Trump's personal attorney has been on the hunt to find dirt in Ukraine to hunt Joe Biden and his son -- to hunt Joe Biden and his son Hunter.
So, let's discuss now with CNN crime and justice reporter, Shimon Prokupecz, and legal analyst Carrie Cordero. Thank you, both. I appreciate you joining us.
Shimon, I'm going to start with you. I want you to listen. This is a press conference today. It was on cybersecurity but Attorney General William Barr was asked about and acknowledged that Rudy Giuliani's channel to the DOJ is to provide information. Watch this.
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WILLIAM BARR, UNITED STATES ATTORNEY GENERAL: Any information coming in about Ukraine could be carefully scrutinized by the department and its intelligence community partners. So that we could assess its providence and its credibility. And you know, that is true for all information that comes to the department relating to the Ukraine, including anything Mr. Giuliani might provide.
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LEMON: OK. All right, so is the DOJ acting as an arm of Trump here?
SHIMON PROKUPECZ, CNN CRIME AND JUSTICE REPORTER: Look, this is going to be really, really interesting, the way the Department of Justice is certainly conducting this for the first time, confirming that they're actually doing this, that they're actually giving some credibility, by even accepting this information from Rudy Giuliani that they're giving him some kind of credibility.
Yes, they're going to review it but keep in mind, Don, and even the attorney general said this today that the people that Rudy Giuliani here was dealing with, people in Ukraine, you have to question their motives, you have to be suspect of the information that they're providing and this is what they're doing.
But even though, you know, many people who've testified before Congress, foreign services officers, diplomats all have said that the people that were making these claims in Ukraine are shady characters, people that shouldn't be trusted and even people at the Department of Justice who know that this is the case.
They're still willing to go ahead and accept whatever it is that Rudy Giuliani has been doing in the Ukraine and review this information, these documents, these statements that he's gathered. This is being now reviewed as the attorney general said by members of the Department of Justice.
LEMON: Man. Carrie, this is mind boggling. Because Giuliani is not a government employee, he is not a public servant. Therefore, he's not bound by the rules and public disclosure requirements. He is Trump's private attorney. What is going on?
CARRIE CORDERO, CNN LEGAL ANALYST: So, Don, I've listened to that statement that brief answer by Attorney General Barr several times today and trying to parse what it is that he was trying to communicate and what it -- the best that I can come up with today, based on what we know, is it sounded to me like an institutional workaround, a corrupt president and a corrupt council, being Rudy Giuliani.
In other words, Bill Barr and the Justice Department know that the president is going to continue to order Rudy Giuliani to do this work, whatever digging up of information he's trying to do. And they're going to try to keep giving it to Bill Barr and the Justice Department and the FBI.
And so, and I'm just, I'm speculating about what's going on. But instead of having Rudy Giuliani calling the attorney general or calling the assistant attorney general for the criminal division or reaching out directly to FBI agents in the division of his choosing they are instead saying if you have information here's a place within the FBI that we can receive that information.
And the FBI does receive information from all sorts of people, an anonymous person can go up to an office and say here's an envelope of information. So, it sounds to me like a workaround.
LEMON: Yes.
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CORDERO: But the pressure is whether or not the FBI institutionally will feel like it is being used for political purposes.
DON LEMON, CNN HOST: I think that seals the deal. I think Susan Collins and the others are right, this administration, this president certainly had learned a lesson. That's sarcasm, by the way. Shimon, I asked Joe Biden earlier about this. Here's what he had to say.
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JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Every single person under oath in his administration who testified before the house said Biden was clean as a whistle, Biden did his job, Biden has great integrity, on down the line. Now he's firing them one by one after they testified under oath. Nobody, nobody, including Ukraine suggested, and you send a man of great stature like Rudy Giuliani to dig up dirt? Come on.
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LEMON: So Shimon, listen, the former vice president can scream that from the mountain tops from here to the election, but this is something that Trump is going to use against Biden as long as he can, right?
SHIMON PROKUPECZ, CNN CRIME AND JUSTICE REPORTER: Absolutely, as long as he can. And no matter what anyone says, you can have FBI agents come out and stand before podiums and you can have Bill Barr stand before a podium and say that none of these allegations are true, we've looked into them, there's nothing to corroborate this, there's nothing to substantiate this.
The president is still going to argue that there's corruption here, that whatever it is that they were up to, that they were doing there was no good and that they were all corrupt. The thing is, though, you know, when you think about all this, the people that Rudy Giuliani is dealing with in the Ukraine, for the most part, a number of them don't have any credibility.
In fact, many people inside the U.S. government have said this publicly. The concern is that they have their own motives. They have their own issues that they want to make happen in the Ukraine, their own gain, their personal gain, business gain. And also, some of this this is because of revenge certainly against the former Ukrainian ambassador.
So all this is out there. And now, you're going to have the Department of Justice receiving all this information and looking it over and reading it over. What are they going to do with all of it in the end? It's going to be very unclear because they're not really going to be able to perhaps maybe even talk about some of this information. So what's going to happen in the end after they receive everything, after they review everything, what happens?
LEMON: Yeah. Carrie, listen, Democrats, of course, want answers. House Judiciary Chairman Jerry Nadler is sending a letter to Barr today, cautioning that any official relationship between Giuliani and the department raises some serious questions about conflicts of interest, both for the department generally and for you specifically. So, what consequences could this have for Barr?
CORDERO: Well, I think part of the difficulty of what we're seeing today with the answer that the attorney general gave is we're seeing the consequences of the loss of credibility in Attorney General Barr.
In other words, because of his behavior -- really, you know, since the Mueller report and over the course of the last year, so many statements he's made that make it appear like he is using his position for the political benefit of the president when he then needs to be taken seriously on a day like today when he's saying, look, we're trying to set up a process to make sure that we are properly, we the Justice Department, are properly vetting information.
I think a lot of people, myself included, take that with a heavy dose of skepticism. And so what I'm curious about is what does the FBI leadership say, will Chris Wray, the FBI director, ever provide any clarity about how this information is going to be vetted?
Because it's quite possible that this agent, whoever is assigned to receive this information, will simply be in receipt mode. And if the information is garbage, then they'll handle it accordingly. But right now, people don't have confidence in the Justice Department and in the attorney general.
LEMON: Yeah. Well, thank you, Carrie. Thank you, Shimon. We're living in some strange times.
CORDERO: Thanks.
LEMON: Appreciate it. We're just moments away from the first votes in New Hampshire. We're going to bring you the up-to-date -- the up-to- the-minute results. And next, a big night for Bernie Sanders. We'll hear from his campaign.
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LEMON: Senator Bernie Sanders has been riding a wave of momentum since he left Iowa with a top two showing. Will that momentum propel him to the top in New Hampshire? I know one person who certainly hopes so and thinks it is going to happen. She is Nina Turner. She is a co- chair of the Bernie Sanders campaign. It is so good to have you here.
NINA TURNER, CO-CHAIRMAN, BERNIE SANDERS CAMPAIGN: Good to be here, Don.
LEMON: So I missed The Strokes tonight.
TURNER: Yes.
LEMON: I understand that he had a big event tonight with Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez and The Strokes.
TURNER: Dr. Cornel West.
LEMON: Dr. Cornel West. So --
TURNER: Cynthia Nixon was there.
LEMON: We are going to talk about that. How do you expect him to do tomorrow?
TURNER: Very well. He won the state by 20 points in the last election, and I certainly -- the field is much bigger this time, but we do certainly expect him to do very well.
LEMON: You seemed like you're holding. You don't want to be overconfident, but you're --
TURNER: I'm confident, though, but not overly so.
LEMON: You don't want to -- yeah. You think --
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TURNER: I'm easy, easy, yes.
LEMON: Listen, I want to ask you. You mentioned Cynthia Nixon. At that rally tonight, she was speaking.
TURNER: Mm-hmm.
LEMON: Watch this.
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CYNTHIA NIXON, ACTRESS AND ACTIVIST: Four years ago, I supported Hillary Clinton for president. Oh, no. Oh, no. We're not going to do that here.
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LEMON: Listen, it's not the first time there have been boos at a rally. We hear it all the time at Trump rallies. Is that not OK with the campaign?
TURNER: Don't bring that up, compare --
LEMON: No, no, no. She said that's not OK. I'm saying -- that is why I am asking to note that (ph). I didn't mean to compare them.
TURNER: Yes, please don't.
LEMON: You know what I'm saying.
TURNER: OK, I do.
LEMON: You're not encouraging that. She did it. It's not OK for you.
TURNER: She didn't. The senator would not either. And so she shut it down.
LEMON: Yeah. Many Democrats are nervous. You've heard it. This is about the candidate. The former vice president, Joe Biden, said -- talked about that at the debate on Friday. Watch this.
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JOE BIDEN, PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: With regard to Senator Sanders, the president wants very much to stick a label on every candidate. We're going to not only have to win this time. We have to bring along the United States Senate. And Bernie has labelled himself, not me, a Democratic socialist. I think that's the label that the president is going to lay on everyone running with Bernie, if he's the nominee.
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LEMON: Listen, he also talked about an interview with me tonight. He's concerned. He said the Democratic socialist is not good. He is concerned about down ballot that won't elect senators, that won't elect mayors, that won't elect congressmen, someone who describes himself. What do you think of that?
TURNER: It's just really a scare tactic.
LEMON: And that it plays into Trump's hands.
TURNER: Yeah, a lack of vision about what it means a government of, for, and by the people. Listen, a Democratic socialist wasn't running in 2016 either --
LEMON: Mm-hmm.
TURNER: And Mr. Trump became the president of the United States of America. What Senator Sanders is talking about is really what the Reverend Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. was talking about. It was really making the body politic in this nation. Bend to the will of the everyday people.
And so if "Medicare for All", cancelling student debt, cancelling college debt, taking care of our environment, bringing world leaders to bear, because we have a conundrum not only in our nation but in the world when it comes to climate chaos, they want to call those things Democratic socialism.
You know, Dr. King once said, we got rugged individualism, you know, for just the individual, but we got democratic socialism, we got socialism, rather, for the wealthy. What we are doing in this campaign is turning that all on its head to say that it is time for the working poor and barely middle class in this country to have a government that is working for them.
LEMON: All right. I'm glad you said that because -- listen, this is what a longtime Democratic strategist, James Carville, said. I'm sure you heard about this. He said, "We got to decide what we want to be. Do we want to be an ideological cult or do we want to have a majoritarian instinct to be a majority party?"
Listen, he is saying that nominating Bernie Sanders would lead to Trump being re-elected. Do you think he's wrong?
TURNER: Give me a break.
LEMON: Obviously, you think so.
TURNER: Yeah. He is wrong. The tactics he is using along with some of the other elites to scare people in this country, people in this country, Don, the average worker, their wages are not keeping up with inflation. When you talk to families -- I talked to one family, they pay $1,600 a month for medication that their daughter needs to live. He can afford to talk about practicality because he is set for life.
LEMON: Yeah.
TURNER: But if you are among the poor, you need somebody that is going to dream a better dream and force the will of this country. How we go from yes, we can and no, we can?
LEMON: OK. Listen, I've got 10 seconds. Are you surprised at how far Mayor Bloomberg has moved up in the polls? Bernie Sanders is at the top --
TURNER: No, he's buying it. No, I'm not surprised. When you spend $350 million on ads, no, I'm not surprised. In this country, we need campaign finance reform, Don. It is wrong.
LEMON: So you think the spending has been effective?
TURNER: Oh, yeah, it's been effective.
LEMON: Yeah.
TURNER: Yeah, unfortunately.
LEMON: Thank you.
TURNER: All right, Don.
LEMON: Always a pleasure to see you. Thank you very much. You got your work cut out for you, all of you guys. I do not envy you. The first votes are coming in just moments in New Hampshire, but Democrats are still shell-shocked over the chaos in Iowa. You're going to see votes counted live at the stroke of midnight. Thank you, Nina.
TURNER: Thank you, Don.
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LEMON: On the eve of the New Hampshire primary, plenty of Democrats are worrying about the party's chances in November after a week that saw chaos in Iowa and the string of wins for the president. Are Democrats right to be anxious or is it just taking the focus off beating President Trump?
Joining me now to discuss are CNN political commentators Karen Finney and Joe Lockhart. It is good to see both of you. I wish I was in the same room with you guys because it is always fiery when you're here. Karen, I am going to start with you. Democrats are -- they're always nervous. But after the Iowa debacle and the uncertainty in this race, is the prairie getting a little overblown or warranted now, you think?
KAREN FINNEY, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I would say absolutely. I mean, first of all, as Democrats, you know, it's been said before, we're kind of bed-wetters about this time in the cycle and we need to just chill it out here --
LEMON: Yeah.
FINNEY: -- because, you know, it is a long process. You mentioned this earlier in the show. Remember John McCain, right? Remember that anything can happen --
LEMON: Mm-hmm.
FINNEY: -- and you can't take anything for granted because voters will have their say.
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FINNEY: Remember we saw this in 2008 between Hillary and Barack Obama. So, look, what happened in Iowa was -- most important thing about it was as long as delegates are allocated fairly out of that process, that is what really is going to matter in the end. On the second phase, I think also it will make us as a party re-examine the notion of the calendar, the order of the states, which I think is a really good thing. It is a conversation that has been a long time coming.
LEMON: OK. On the other hand, Joe --
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LEMON: -- right now, the Quinnipiac has a new poll that shows Sanders leading the pack, then Biden, Warren, and Bloomberg are bunched up, and then Buttigieg says, you know, that's a pretty close race. There's a pretty close race with a lot of people getting a slice of this pie. I mean maybe they need to weed some folks out. I don't know. What's your take on this?
JOE LOCKHART, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: I think worrying is way over done. I'm with Karen on that. The president last week had a good first half of the week. The State of the Union was reasonable although his budget today disputed everything he said. And he was acquitted. But the rest of the week was vintage Trump, stepping on his message, firing people, the purge.
And you had a Gallup poll that was an outlier that I think did worry Democrats. But, you know, Quinnipiac came in today and showed Trump back in the low 40s. So, I don't think there's not much to worry about. My focus is exactly what's going on right now is what should be going on. We're going to find out who can throw a punch, who can take a punch.
FINNEY: That's right.
LOCKHART: And we're going to put the strongest candidate on the field. My worry about Senator Sanders is very specific to the numbers. He doesn't represent the majority of the Democratic Party. Democratic Party is a center left party, not a far left party. "Medicare for All" is not popular among Democrats, when you take away the private health insurance option. So, you know --
LEMON: Let me jump in.
LOCKHART: Yeah.
LEMON: Let me jump in here. I understand that. I have been saying that, I don't know, for years now, since we have had this -- actually since 2018, since we've had this whole thing about, you know, the Democrats are moving to the left --
LOCKHART: Right.
LEMON: -- and it's socialist and on and on and on. So, I have been giving people the facts about the Democratic Party that it is actually a centrist party, right? It's actually more moderate. Most people make up the more moderates. But Bernie Sanders does motivate people.
LOCKHART: Absolutely.
LEMON: He inspires people. He has an army of people who show up, 7,500 people tonight. You cannot discount that.
LOCKHART: No, I can't discount that. When I say it's a minor party (ph), it's in a very important part of the party because he does bring in new people, he does motivate them. If he can figure out a way to expand his base to bring in the center of the party, that he'll be a very strong nominee. He just hasn't done much there.
But he's got this very high floor. He's going to have 25 to 30 percent of the voters now that Elizabeth Warren seems to have faded a bit. And if, you know, while the moderates all fight each other, the numbers are going to look good for him. But at some point, it is going to come down to a fight in the party about where we are.
LEMON: OK.
LOCKHART: I wouldn't say it the way James Carville said it, but we are a centrist party.
LEMON: OK, I got 20 seconds left. Karen, sorry, give me your final thoughts, please.
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FINNEY: Tomorrow is going to be exciting. It is going to be very exciting in a few minutes to see people start voting. We will -- the best thing about tomorrow is that come Wednesday morning, we will have some numbers to talk about. And from there, we'll focus on Nevada and South Carolina.
LEMON: All right. You're cool, calm and collected. She's not worried. She said to everyone, take a deep breath and calm down. Thank you both. I appreciate it. We are minutes away from the first votes in New Hampshire primary. We're on the scene where those votes are happening, and we're going to bring them to you live.
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LEMON: All right, here we go, it's getting close. At the stroke of midnight here in New Hampshire, the residents of three tiny townships are casting the first ballots of this first in the nation primary. Those tiny towns are Dixville Notch, Millsfield, and Hart's Location. They declare their primary results hours ahead of the rest of the state.
That's where we're going to find Brian Todd. He is in Dixville Notch for us. Brian, this is your specialty. So take us there to Dixville Notch because at any minute, we are going to see some of the first primary votes cast.
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's right, Don. The moment is of hand, just a couple minutes away from the first votes being cast here. There are total of five people who are going to be voting. Two of them are here, Joe Casey and Tom Tillotson.
Tom is a town moderator. Three of them are behind the flag. They're going to be voting and then bringing their ballots up, putting them in the ballot box right there. Three of the five people here are in the same family, the Tillotson family. Tom, his wife Deborah, and his son Tanner are three of the five. Les Otten is the third and Joe Casey here -- Les Otten is the fourth and Joe Casey here is the fifth.
A real story here because he moved back into town late last year. They thought for a while they may not have the five people needed to be able to hold this vote. Les Otten is a developer who is renovating this resort here. He also moved back into town late in 2019, established his resident here, so they got to the five people needed.
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TODD: I'll step aside while they do this. I just go ahead and do that now. You can witness the vote live.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Four, three, two, one.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: (INAUDIBLE) my place and (INAUDIBLE) my new real ID.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Of course, everybody knows everybody here.
(CROSSTALK) TODD: The media members are reporting here (ph). We are packed tight here. There are about 16 members of the media here. So, we are in tight quarters here.
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LEMON: OK. So you're watching the first votes in the nation. The primary comes in Dixville Notch. It happens every year. We cover it live. What you're seeing are the four people who actually live there, going back and behind the curtain, the flag, voting and then putting it into that wooden box.
I think this will be the fourth one. So we'll get some results here soon. But there you go. What they usually do is write it on the board and then we get to see who it is. So let's listen in to the select man who is talking now.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Aye. Polls are closed. We will now begin counting.
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TODD: They closed the polls now, Don. Tom Tillotson is opening up the ballot box to begin the count.
LEMON: You got to love it because they just put it in there. There's the lock and key. So, listen, it doesn't get any more transparent than that because we saw them. Put the ballot --
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LEMON: Ron Brownstein and Mark McKinnon are joining me here. We will see them in a moment. They'll count the votes.
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TODD: They're about to do the count right now. They're tallying the votes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One vote for Mike Bloomberg.
TODD: It was not on the board so they're going to write him in there.
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TODD: So, they're going to keep counting here. As we wait for them to count here, the tradition here is really strong. It is 60 years. This is the 60th anniversary of this -- every presidential cycle, of course, they do this. They have done this now for 60 years. This is the 100th anniversary of the New Hampshire primary. This is down home retail politics at its best here, Don.
LEMON: Yeah. Three of the -- they predict the eventual winner of three of the last five general elections. It doesn't usually take that long to count. I don't think we will have an Iowa situation here, Brian Todd because general votes are counted. We saw it all happening right in front of us.
TODD: That's right. What's interesting also about the Dixville Notch precinct is that candidates do flock here.
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TODD: I mean Ronald Reagan campaigned here. The Bushes campaigned here. Bill Clinton came here when he was governor of Arkansas as a young man. Last presidential cycle, John Kasich came here. Michael Bennet came here just a couple days ago. So they do come here, Don. There is a lot of interest here with the candidates coming and putting putting in their mark.
LEMON: Yeah. John Kasich actually won here last time. He didn't end up being the nominee. This is the last ballot, I believe, to be counted. So we are going to get it soon.
TODD: Yes, we will get it soon. I just heard the name Pete Buttigieg mentioned, Don. We have at least one for Michael Bloomberg and one for Pete Buttigieg. The moment is at hand. It looks like we have another Mike Bloomberg here, Don.
LEMON: Vote for Mike Bloomberg. He's not even --
TODD: Upset in the making here.
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LEMON: Listen, they can talk all they want about Iowa. If they want to change it, I think there will be many people who will be OK with that. But they won't be OK if they ever change Dixville Notch. You cannot do that. Here we go results.
TODD: OK. He is going to announce here. Here we go.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Republican, there was one vote cast and it was a write in for Michael Bloomberg.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Republican side.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One vote for Michael Bloomberg. On the democrat side, there was one vote for Buttigieg, one vote for Sanders, and two write in votes for Mike Bloomberg. Certainly big surprise there.
TODD: That is a surprise, Don. Bloomberg gets in two write in votes on the democratic side and one on the republican side. So there are the final results.
LEMON: So, there you go.
TODD: Pete Buttigieg with one. Bernie Sanders with one. Michael Bloomberg is with three total votes, one on the republican side and two on the democratic side. So, Bloomberg as far as we know didn't come to this town once. So Michael Bloomberg, as far as we know, did not come to this town once and he has one Dixville Notch here, Don.
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TODD: We are waiting for the results of the two other locations in New Hampshire, Millsfield and Hart's Location. Those are the other two locations that are holding midnight votes. They're about to gavel this to a close.
LEMON: Yeah.
TODD: And you have -- you got -- what's interesting also is the uncommitted, the undeclared voters, I should say, in New Hampshire vastly outnumber the registered Democrats and Republicans. So this is not necessarily a total surprise that Michael Bloomberg wins out here, but there you have it, Bloomberg with three total votes, Don.
LEMON: OK. So there you go. Brian Todd, thank you. You did a great job as usual every year. Brian, we appreciate it. Let's bring in now CNN senior political analyst Ron Brownstein as well as Mr. Mark McKinnon. We got an upset.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We got an upset.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is shocking.
LEMON: Bloomberg got a write in on the republican side, and then he gets two votes on the democratic side. Sanders got one vote and Buttigieg got -
MARK MCKINNON, CNN POLITICAL COMMENTATOR: He crushed the field.
LEMON: He crushed the field.
MCKINNON: Lapped them. This is a tsunami for Bloomberg.
RON BROWNSTEIN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: This is the second time in the last three elections we have the Dixville Notch results before we have the Iowa results.
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BROWNSTEIN: I mean, you know, with Santorum and Romney, we didn't have the results in Dixville Notch.
MCKINNON: These are going to the first votes in the nation.
BROWNSTEIN: They will. They will, yeah. This is a historic day. This is the last day that Iowa and New Hampshire will be the one -- two -- 1972, 48 years this (INAUDIBLE) of Iowa-New Hampshire has dominated the early stages of the presidential race. It's almost inconceivable that they will be again.
It will be New Hampshire first, probably followed by a more diverse state because their law, you know, the Dixville Notch is just kind of reflective of the political culture, which is so protective of the idea of being first. MCKINNON: And loves to turn things on its head, loves to be unpredictable.
BROWNSTEIN: Yeah, right.
MCKINNON: I love Dixville Notch. It reminds of like the (INAUDIBLE).
LEMON: I like it. I actually feel like, you know, it is an extension of "It's a Wonderful Life."
MCKINNON: Yeah.
LEMON: I think that --
BROWNSTEIN: It reminds me of the inn in white Christmas.
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BROWNSTEIN: -- tap dancing through the ballroom.
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BROWNSTEIN: It is a similar idea, yes.
MCKINNON: It's really interesting that a guy who is not on the ballot here --
BROWNSTEIN: Yeah.
MCKINNON: -- who is now proving that maybe money can buy you.
LEMON: OK, I think we talked about this, right? I tell you my one woman focus group is my mother.
MCKINNON: In Louisiana.
LEMON: In Louisiana who said, you know, she was all in on Biden. And she goes, but if that doesn't happen, I got to say it's Bloomberg because -- I said, mom, why do you say that? I said, you know, there's a whole thing about African-Americans and stop and frisk.
She said I don't care about that. She said you know what I care about in this moment? It is someone who can beat Trump. If it's not Biden, she thinks it's going to be Bloomberg. I just think it's interesting that the results are what they are right now. What do you say to that?
MCKINNON: I would say that maybe a predictor of what we'll see down the line here because as Biden collapses, which he clearly is, the guy is spending $300 million, is likely to be the beneficiary of a lot of that certainly on Super Tuesday.
LEMON: But that is also I think older African-Americans feel that way. Younger African-Americans, I think it's -- you know, it's a generational thing.
BROWNSTEIN: Yeah. Look, I mean, Bloomberg right now is playing tennis without a net. He is just out there selling himself on television. No one is dealing with any of his -- nobody spent a minute in the debate or a dime on television, reminding people about things like stop and frisk.
In a strange way, it's sort of similar to Sanders except for "Medicare for All." All of the other issues of the other candidates could have brought up about him. They have chosen not to. I mean, they have reasons for that.
But Bloomberg, especially -- I mean, at some point, to be the nominee, to get from where he is, I think, to really seriously compete for this, he'll have to start debating the other candidates. When he does, when the radar is in motion, you know, it could look very different. It might not, but he hasn't really been litigated against.
LEMON: But don't you think Bloomberg is a formidable debater? I mean, he is pretty -- if anyone --
MCKINNON: He has a lot of liability.
BROWNSTEIN: That's the problem. Right, that's the problem. He may be a very skilled debater, but we will see how he handles the issues. We got to talk about the money that he spent to elect Pat Toomey in 2016 because Pat Toomey was supporting gun control and -- Pat Toomey helps explains why there's Brett Kavanaugh. So, I mean, there are issues that he is going to have to address.
LEMON: OK. So we got Millsfield in. We have one Biden. Is that what you said? Repeat again. One Biden, one for Buttigieg, two for Klobuchar, and one Sanders. Millsfield -- OK, so we got Dixville and Millsfield. So Klobuchar wins in Millsfield, right? There we go. So, what does that say? Klobuchar -- I see a dark horse. Here we go again.
MCKINNON: The little engine that might.
BROWNSTEIN: Yeah.
LEMON: Yeah.
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BROWNSTEIN: Right. There's some energy there. The question is whether -- as Lamar Alexander might be able to tell you from 1996 -- whether a third place finish in New Hampshire is enough to really give you the oxygen to kind of take it to the next level. There's no question. I was at an event. People kind of see her as someone who might be able to run well against Trump. She is funny. She is energetic. She is finding an audience.
MCKINNON: Strong candidate skills and she may be the one viable woman left after tomorrow night.
BROWNSTEIN: Yeah.
LEMON: So what do we have here? I think we have -- so we got Bloomberg who has three. So he is in the lead now. We have Klobuchar who has two. And we have -- Sanders now has two. And Biden has one.
BROWNSTEIN: That's 75,000 more to go.
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BROWNSTEIN: Take the primary.
LEMON: Yeah. We're waiting for one more to come in. We got Millsfield. We got Dixville Notch. We have the Hart's Location. Hart's Location, what is taking you so long?
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LEMON: They are using the democratic app. Listen, has this -- we have said that -- there we go. Is that Hart's Location that they are looking at now? Yeah, that is Hart's Location. They are getting their acts together. They are counting. They don't have very many residents here. But again, I don't know if this is a predictor of anything. I think they predicted three of the last five here.
BROWNSTEIN: President Ernest Hollings came out of Dixville Notch. Look, you know, the last -- it's interesting, you know, in the democratic side at least, the last four Iowa winners have gone on to be the nominee even when New Hampshire has gone the other way.
I mean, Bernie Sanders got 60 percent of the vote here in 2016. And Hillary Clinton beat Barack Obama here in 2008. Each time, it was the Iowa winner who won. So, we're going to see. It seems highly possible that the results will diverge again here. If you do count Buttigieg as the winner in Iowa, certainly Sanders is the favorite here in New Hampshire.
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LEMON: What does that say that Trump (INAUDIBLE) got nothing so far?
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LEMON: Bloomberg got the nod here on the republican side.
BROWNSTEIN: I'm still betting on Trump when all the actual votes come in tomorrow.
LEMON: One sure thing that --
BROWNSTEIN: Yeah.
MCKINNON: I think this bust (ph) people in the Massachusetts -- from Massachusetts into Dixville Notch.
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BROWNSTEIN: It would have been somewhere in New York.
MCKINNON: Right.
BROWNSTEIN: They vote for Bloomberg.
LEMON: They say there is an inn right there so they have a place to stay right on the premises.
BROWNSTEIN: Yeah.
LEMON: So we're waiting on the next location here, for Hart's Location. We got Dixville Notch. We got Millsfield. Can we put the results back up? Just so we can, you know, let everyone know this is not an Iowa situation. The votes are being counted and they are being counted pretty quickly here. We're waiting on one location. So in Dixville Notch -- this is -- oh, OK, here we go.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Klobuchar.
LEMON: Klobuchar. Wow!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Making a move here.
LEMON: So is this the total number? Is this the number just from Hart's Location? Bueller? (ph).
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LEMON: This is the total number, OK. So add this in with the other numbers that we got from Dixville Notch. So you got -- there we go. Yang gets three here. Write-ins, two. Do we know who the write-ins? We don't know. Buttigieg two, and Biden.
Let us do it again. Yang, three. Pete, two. Buttigieg, two.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Amy had eight.
BROWNSTEIN: Eight, yeah.
LEMON: Biden, two.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So Amy wins.
LEMON: Amy gets eight. Sanders got four.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Warren has four.
LEMON: And Warren has four. Again, Yang has three as we have been saying. So the overall winner, I think, out of all of this is --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The definitive winner, Amy Klobuchar.
LEMON: Amy Klobuchar is the definitive winner. What do you say to that?
MCKINNON: I always thought she would be a good candidate here. She appeals to independents. She has got that kind of pragmatic sensibility. Once again, New Hampshire likes to just be contrarian.
BROWNSTEIN: Yeah. MCKINNON: And do the opposite.
LEMON: I have always said -- I have been saying she's a little engine that could -- I don't know if she's defied gravity, but she's defied the odds.
BROWNSTEIN: Yeah. And she kept moving forward almost like a running back in a pile up. She keeps the thing moving forward. And, you know, she was saying tonight at the event that I was at, you know, they said I wasn't going to make the debate stage, I did. You know, I wasn't going to raise enough money. She is still there.
And as someone who can benefit from the voters who think Sanders is too out there and who don't think Warren can win and have had doubts about Biden, you know, from watching his performance --
MCKINNON: I think definitely benefitting from Biden.
BROWNSTEIN: Yes.
LEMON: Yup.
MCKINNON: She's picking off Biden.
BROWNSTEIN: Absolutely.
LEMON: There we go. Amy Klobuchar is the clear winner in the first of the nation voting in the primary in these three small towns. We appreciate you joining us. Thank you, Ron.
BROWNSTEIN: Sure.
LEMON: Thank you so much. Kick it.
MCKINNON: Kick it from Dixville Notch.
LEMON: I appreciate it. Thanks for watching, everyone. Our coverage picks up with Anderson Cooper now.
