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Trump Team And DOJ Submit Recommendations To The Court; King Charles Gave His First Address; Royal Family Witness The Outpouring Love From People; Two New Roles After Queen Elizabeth's Passing. Aired 10-11p ET

Aired September 09, 2022 - 22:00   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN HOST: This is DON LEMON TONIGHT.

And we've got big news on two big stories tonight. We're live here at Buckingham Palace in London, home to the new Monarch, King Charles III. And there is news just in moments ago back home on the Mar-a-Lago investigation.

The Justice Department and Donald Trump's lawyers have submitted their proposals to a federal judge for who should serve a special master to review materials from Mar-a-Lago and how the process should work. It is the latest legal turn in the criminal investigation into Trump's potential mishandling of documents.

So, I want to bring in now CNN's senior justice correspondent, Evan Perez and CNN senior legal analyst and former federal prosecutor, Laura Coates.

Welcome back to the program. Both of you. Evan, we just received these documents. Tell us more what you're learning. They have nominated or both sides who they think should be special master, and there's also other details in there.

EVAN PEREZ, CNN SENIOR JUSTICE CORRESPONDENT: Right, Don they've submitted two names each. Obviously, they couldn't agree on who should be the special master. The judge is going to have to decide that. I'll come back to those names in a minute.

But there's major disagreement obviously, which is not surprising between these two sides. The government says that the special master should not be able to look at classified documents, should not be able to decide what is executive privilege and what isn't.

Of course, Trump, the Trump team says that is whole point of this. And they think that, of course, this is what the special master should be able to do to review all of the documents more than a thousand pages, more than a hundred documents that are classified that are -- that were seized as part of the search of Mar-a-Lago.

A couple other points of disagreement. The government wants this to be wrapped up in about five weeks. Trump and his team say three months is what they they're envisioning. Much bigger delay. And of course, the government says that they -- the Trump team should pay the cost of the special master. And the Trump team says that they should split that cost.

The names of the four lawyers that they've -- that they've recommended. The former retired judge, Barbara Jones who is doing the special master review of Rudy Giuliani's investigation of some documents from the Rudy Giuliani investigation. She also did the Michael Cohen case. the former retired judge, again, from, district court in D.C., D.C. circuit. His name is Tom Griffith.

And on the Trump side, they're recommending Raymond Dearie, a former chief judge in the Eastern District of New York and Paul Huck, Jr. who is a Jones Day, former Jones Day partner. Jones Day represented the Trump campaign in 2016. Some close Republican ties right there. Don?

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LEMON: Laura, I want to bring you in now. What about the -- this issue of clearances that's been so critical for all of this. What could any of this mean?

LAURA COATES, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: I mean, just think about this. We're talking about documents of the highest security level, the highest classification levels. There were agents on the scene we've been told through the reporting that weren't even able through their own clearances to view what they were actually taking maybe from Mar- a-Lago.

The idea here that you're going to have to get someone not only up to speed in the review as Evan talking about, but be authorized to see the documents, have to go through a security clearance, including anybody, by the way who may be assisting the special master, who may or may not be doing it on their own. They provide for that in part.

But notice the dates here that Evan talked about, the distinction of the dates, the government sets a deadline of October 17th, 2022. While the Trump team three for months. Think about where the midterm elections fall here. The DOJ hoping to have this concluded in the review prior to the midterm elections.

There's been a point of contention for quite some time. And of course, there's that unspoken rule in DOJ of not wanting to interfere or present an interference with the elections. Of course, Trump is not on the ballot so might likely won't be the issue here.

This all comes down to trust, doesn't it? The idea here that the whole purpose they say for special master is they don't believe that the individual vetting process and the taint team that was in place to review privilege material from DOJ is trustworthy. And we have that order of a special master from the judge allowing for that mistrust to continue, as Evan points out.

They have provided in this particular joint agreement in motion. They know there will be disagreement even down the line on the very basic things. It doesn't bode well for there to be at least on their side, a quick resolution. But if they have a quick review before the midterm elections, who knows the impact of that.

LEMON: Yes. Well, I mean, they said they want it quickly. At least one side does. So, Evan, that there's a, the appeals process as well that needs to play out.

PEREZ: That's right, Don. The Justice Department is looking to appeal on Thursday if they don't get this judge to pause or at least put aside her ruling from last week, which prompt -- which prevented the justice department from even going to be able to, and the FBI from even being able to look at the 100 documents.

That 100, I think there's more than 100 documents that are classified, that the Justice Department, the FBI says they need to be keep investigating, they need to know, you know, those documents that had the folders and more than four dozen folders that were labeled classified, but had no documents in them.

They're trying to figure out, you know, what happened to those documents? Was something exposed? Do they need to take mitigation measures to protect sources and methods? All of those things need to happen and are not happening right now. They're on hold because that judge issued that order last week.

So, they're asking her to put that aside and she's going to take a look at that in the next few days.

LEMON: All right, Evan, thank you very much. Laura, thank you as well. Laura, we'll see you at the top of the hour. Laura will be anchoring the next hour here on CNN.

And here in London, King Charles will be officially proclaiming the monarch in a matter of hours, that after a day of emotion and high drama as Britain mourns the queen and looks to the future with a new king.

More tonight from CNN's royal correspondent, Max Foster.

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MAX FOSTER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): In a pre-recorded address to the nation and the Commonwealth, King Charles III renewed the pledge made by his mother more than 75 years ago. Speaking for the first time as sovereign, Charles reached out to all religions and creeds, he paid a glowing tribute to wife, Camilla and bestowed his former title prince of Wales on his son, William, making Kate the princess of Wales.

He expressed his love to Harry and Meghan, most powerfully and holding back tears he addressed his mother directly.

KING CHARLES III, KING OF UNITED KINGDOM: To my darling Mama, as you begin your last great journey to join my dear late Papa, I want simply to say this. Thank you. Thank you for your love and devotion to our family and to the family of nations you have served so diligently all these years. May flights of angels singly to thy rest.

FOSTER: Throughout the day on Friday, bells tolled, flags lowered, and guns saluted, paying respects to the life and the legacy of Queen Elizabeth II.

The U.K.'s newly appointed prime minister, Liz Truss, offered newly anointed King Charles the support of an unusually quiet and somber parliament.

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LIZ TRUSS, BRITISH PRIME MINISTER: The crown endures, our nation endures and, in that spirit, I say, God save the king.

CROWD: God save the king.

FOSTER: The king greeted well wishes outside Bucking Palace to a chorus of the national Anthem.

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FOSTER: He retired to Buckingham Palace where he held his first audience with the prime minister. And for the first time, the Royal standard flew above in his name.

The accession council will meet on Saturday to formally proclaim Charles as the new sovereign, having declared his loyalty to parliament and the church of England.

Whether the monarchy will emerge strengthened from the handover remains to be seen. But the initial signs appear positive.

Max Foster, CNN, Bucking Palace, London.

LEMON: All right, Max. Thank you so much for that. Joining me here at Buckingham Palace CNN correspondent Bianca Nobilo and journalist Bidisha Mamata.

So glad to have both of you on. Thank you so much. So, Charles delivering, Bianca, his first public address today. The weight of the crown really on his head now. How did he do?

BIANCA NOBILO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was a very confident performance. You could tell that he's preparing his entire life for this moment as his mother was the longest serving monarch that this country has had, he's been the longest serving heir apparent. So, he's known for so many years that there would come a day that he'd have to say these words.

I think he struck a good tone and that the speech went down well. What he did do was depart slightly from the stoicism and reserve that's often associated with the British monarchy, and basically reach out a hand and say that I'm -- I'm grieving too, that I feel this is well, which was totally the correct thing to do.

I think to help console the nation at this time, and also humanize them slightly because that is all about, that speaks to the modernization of the monarchy and that very difficult tight rope that he's going to have to tread between remaining as a monarch, which is removed somewhat from the populace and has a dignity.

But also seeming like you have the common touch. You are also a man of the people and that you understand their grieving concerns, too.

LEMON: Paying homage and honoring the traditions in the past, but also forecasting of what might be ahead and what should be ahead for the future.

NOBILO: Without question. And this is a moment of great tumult for the country because Britain's identity is going through some convulsions. Britain has left the European Union. There's no longer peace on the European continent with war in Ukraine, Britain being heavily involved with that.

We've had a couple of years of political turmoil as well. And more recently with this, the changeover of prime ministers. And Liz Truss, the current prime minister being, not exactly a leader that the entire country is behind. In fact, she's not a particularly known quantity in this country just yet.

So, I think he made the right choice in establishing himself as a figure who was confident in this role, reaching out to the public, telling them what they need to hear and saying all is well, continuity remains. Someone else is at the helm now. And the line of the sovereign continues.

LEMON: Well, Bidisha, and whether or not the monarchy can emerge from this more strengthened moving into the future.

BIDISHA MAMATA, JOURNALIST: I think that's absolutely correct. And those comments are so completely pertinent. It was an interesting speech because it was very Prince Charles. It was a little bit quirky. There is a beating human heart under there somewhere and he showed it. It was a very Downton Abbey. That's what I thought. Huge amounts of tides of emotion. But a kind of stoical face on the surface, looking back across 70 years, not just a personal history, but also world history.

But then pledging to people, look, I know that this is very dramatic in the here and now, but these are going to be the headlines for the next 10 or 20 days. After that we have all of the decades of Britain's future, Britain's future in the world. All of the other headlines of international relations. There's no way we can pretend just as the queen herself, absolutely knew that what happens in the world doesn't impact her.

The queen was a war child. She came out of the two world wars and Prince Charles is saying the kind of unity and hope that she symbolized don't worry. I'm going to take that forward in these fractured times.

LEMON: She became queen when Winston Churchill was prime minister and prime minister, a very tumultuous time. Listen, it was a day of vulnerability. You don't -- things that you don't normally see or hear from the royal family. I mean, there was a moment today when microphones picked up Charles during his first meeting with the new prime minister, Liz Truss. Let's listen.

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KING CHARLESS III: It's been so touching. This afternoon, we arrived here, all those people who had come to give their condolences and put flowers.

TRUSS: Your Majesty, my very, very sincere condolences.

KING CHARLES III: You're very kind. You're very kind. It's the moment I've been dreading, as I know a lot of people have, but we try and keep everything going.

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LEMON: A day he's been dreading, Bianca. What do you -- what did you make of his comments?

NOBILO: Well, it's always fascinating to catch a nonguarded moment like that. I don't think he would've imagined it would've been picked up on the microphone. It also speaks to the unique relationship that exists between the monarch and the prime minister.

Also earlier on Friday, the former prime minister, Theresa May, made a heartwarming speech about the late queen. And she said that her audiences with the queen every week were the only ones she could trust never to be leaked anywhere to the media.

And it is a moment where the prime minister with the weight of all the issues of the country upon them can look to somebody else for guidance and expose some of their concerns and their worries. It is like no other. And the queen having seen through 15 prime ministers had really got a sense of character and leadership and could offer them a lot with her guidance and counsel.

So that moment between the now King Charles and Prime Minister Liz Truss was a revealing one because in fact, they both share that they're exceptionally new to the highest roles in the land.

LEMON: Within days of each other.

NOBILO: Exactly. You have the person who underpins the entire Constitution and then the prime minister who is charged with being the person at the head of the government to affect Britain's democracy.

LEMON: Bidisha, we don't know exactly the date. We know it's upcoming funeral for the queen, but we know it will be marked with moments, dignitaries, so on. What should we expect.

MAMATA: This is completely unprecedented and it's absolutely huge. You have a Monarch who in the entirety of world history has served so long. Usually only dictators stay in power that long. And the queen is no dictator. So, you will have not just famous people or celebrants, people like that.

You will have the greatest politicians, the greatest human rights leaders, state leaders flying in from all over the world to pay their respect. It will be a televised ceremony. Of course, there'll be private moments, but this will be the final testament, the will and testament of the entire world community coming together to pay their respects.

And that tallies up with what King Charles was saying in his speech, which was all about the international community. It was about unity. It was standing shoulder to shoulder with the same values. He stressed the word values, not ambition, not role, not image. He was saying, you know, what unites us our ideas about how we want the world to be.

And this is why this death feels so momentous because it feels like the end of an era. If you look anywhere in the world at the moment, it's so fractured. It's so unequal. It's so war-torn. There are so many issues, often the same issues, and yet we don't recognize them as the same issues of course.

And so, this -- this ceremonial funeral, this farewell is going to be a chance for everyone in the world to see the leaders of the world coming together in friendship and basic respect.

LEMON: Yes. And the world we'll be watching. Thank you, Bidisha. Thank you, Bianca. I appreciate.

You know, it's hard to wrap your head around the fact that more than 80 percent of the British population have lived their entire lives with Queen Elizabeth on the throne. We're going to talk to some of them. That's next.

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LEMON: Just hours from now, King Charles III will officially be proclaimed the new monarch. The proclamation will first be read aloud from a balcony at St. James Palace and then at the Royal Exchange in London.

It comes as a British people continue to pay their respects to Queen Elizabeth.

Joining me now, Matthew Chance. Matthew, thank you. Good evening to you. You have been out there. You've been hearing from the people outside of Buckingham Palace today. What are they saying to you?

MATTHEW CHANCE, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it's very emotional, first of all, Don, very emotionally, indeed. People are obviously very sad that the loss of this monarch who's been with them, you know, been reigning for 70 years. But it's not a tragedy. She was 96, remember, so people accepted that this was an inevitable event an inevitable thing that took place.

But the overwhelming emotion, I think that people wanted to communicate out there. And they did that to me. And they've done that by laying their bouquets there is the emotion of gratitude.

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CHANCE: It was a day of grief for these mourners the first without their beloved queen. Sea of flowers lined Buckingham Palace, a symbol of Elizabeth II's strongest legacy, the affection and respect. She inspired in people's hearts.

KATIE MALLINGS, MOURNER: She's just been a part of our life for all of our lives apart from anyone that was born before her. Soi she's just been that constant strength and a rock really, throughout any bad times throughout our lives.

CHANCE: For most here, Queen Elizabeth was the only monarch they've ever known. Soi I'm even comparing her death to losing a member of their own family.

Soi you can see there is this enormous outpouring of grief, sadness, I think overwhelmingly respect from people in Britain towards queen Elizabeth now that she's passed. For people in the gates of Buckingham Palace here, it's actually throng of thousands of people. They're coming to lay flowers as they're sort of stacking them up, you know, outside the gates of Buckingham Palace and laying messages as well like this one here. It says, address to the queen obviously. Thank you for all you've done for the people of the world. Now you rest in peace.

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Indeed, a queen of many countries, the monarch who ruled over 15 nations, as well as Britain, and touched the hearts of the millions of people who respected her. The same people now mourning her loss across the globe.

But this was also a day of renewal to celebrate a new, it was an apprehensive King Charles III who met his new subjects for the first as their monarch and he's welcome was encouraging and warm, even received an out of protocol kiss from a member of the public. Memorable moment indeed as he became king.

The succession may be automatic in Britain's system of monarchy, but what's not automatic is the transfer of respect. His mother enjoyed as the head of state. And Charles III will have to work to achieve the same place as his mother in the hearts and minds of the British public.

LESLEY GARRETT, OPERA SINGER: Sorry. That was just --

CHANCE: Yes.

GARRETT: That's just really God to me, I'll never ever sing God, Save the Queen again. And she's just meant so much to this entire country for so long. It's like the tectonic plates of our society have shifted and they'll never be the same. Never.

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CHANCE: From now on, it's God save the king. And for a younger generation, Charles III will have to become their symbol of the British crown.

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LEMON: Listen, I think you put it -- your -- it was appropriate because I heard someone say that they were shocked. She was 96 years old. I think they knew it was an inevitability. We just didn't want it to happen. They didn't know when it was going to happen, but she lived a quite a long life, but still, obviously said that she's gone.

CHANCE: Yes. It's a shock. That's true. It's disorientating for lots of people in the country. People are very anxious about what the monarchy is going to look like in the future. And of course, I think what I observed as well is that there's a bit of a divide across the age barrier.

You know, the older generations I spoke to today, she's been a massive part of their lives. They've grown up with her. So obviously her death is much more of an emotional break with the past, but the younger people, you know, and their teenagers, I spoke to several of those today. You know, they have respect for her. They're saying it's sad that she's gone, but it's not such an emotional loss. You know, they've got the future monarchs including Charles III who will define how they see their country and how they see the monarchy.

LEMON: What did you think of the moment when the woman laid a big kiss on the new king?

CHANCE: Yes. Wow. I mean, lucky, lucky girl as well is what I thought. But, no, I mean, it's not the first time it's happened. It's not the first time it's happened, but it's interesting, isn't it? Because Charles came out there, he was obviously very apprehensive about what his reception was going to be like.

He's not his mom, you know, he's going to have to work to get that status in people's hearts and minds. But it was very warm. People were very warm to him, and maybe he's going to be, you know, more of a hugger than his -- than his mother was. I mean, you know, it's a very emotional scene.

LEMON: We shall see.

CHANCE: Yes.

LEMON: Matthew Chance, thank you very much. I appreciate it.

A new prime minister and a new king trying to navigate leading a country facing record inflation war in Europe and people in mourning. How will they do it?

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LEMON: Over the past week, the United Kingdom lost a beloved queen and gained a new King, Charles III, but that's not all. Just a few days ago, a new prime minister was appointed. So how will they work together? And can King Charles help to pull the country out of a series of massive crises.

Joining me now, Mary Jordan, she is a national correspondent and the former London bureau chief at the Washington Post, and Susan Glasser, a CNN global affairs analyst.

Good evening to both of you.

Mary, I'm going to start with you. The king speaking today to a grieving and anxious public for the first time. Listen to this clip.

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KING CHARLES II: Wherever you may live in the United Kingdom or in the realms and territories across the world, and whatever may be your background or beliefs, I shall endeavor to serve you with loyalty, respect, and love as I have throughout my life.

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LEMON: He was remarkably emotional. What did you think of this tone in this message?

MARY JORDAN, NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT & FORMER LONDON BUREAU CHIEF, WASHINGTON POST: I think it was a great speech for Prince Charles and he has, you know, a big challenge ahead of him. You know, he has a long history when his mother took over, she was very young. And she had come through the war. She hadn't gone to Canada and people gave her great kudos.

Well, we all know a lot of scandal and disappointments and lots of people don't like Prince Charles. So that was a really big speech. I think it was important for him to be emotional.

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I think people will long remember that key moment when he went to Buckingham Palace and started just shaking people's hands. You know, he just, you know, he's not seen as inheriting the thrifty gene or the down to earth gene that his mother had. That was a key moment. And you know, we'll see what happens now, but I thought it was a, an important speech for him. He's clearly been waiting to give that for a heck of a long time.

LEMON: Yes. Well, I have to ask you, people are used to looking to the queen for a sense of stability in rocky times. Will they look so for Charles in the same way.

JORDAN: No. I think she was unto herself. The world has moved on. A lot of people think, you know, the monarchy is kind of like, the armor of a knight, you know, in this era when you have missile strikes by drones. It should be in a museum.

I think, Charles knows that, and I think you're going to see him try to modernize and slim down the monarchy. You know, there'll be -- there's such a thing as the lesser royals, believe it or not. And they have a lot of land holdings and titles, and I think he gets it that he's going to have to change and modernize for it to keep going, because there are a lot of people saying really? I mean, do we need this.

You know, when he took over people were supposed to literally bow and kiss his hand and it does seem to be a relic of the past.

LEMON: Yes, there are a lot of people who say really, yes, do we need this? And that is real. So, the new prime minister, Susan, Liz Truss, who met with the queen just days ago is untested. The country is facing rampant inflation, high gas prices. There's a war on Europe's doorstep right now. Talk about what lies ahead for these two new leaders.

SUSAN GLASSER, CNN GLOBAL AFFAIRS ANALYST: Well, I think you're right to underscore that, Don, this is a moment of really grave crisis for the United Kingdom at the moment of this inevitable transition, right. You know, of course, we're talking about a 96-year-old monarch. It's not a shock as you pointed out, but at the same time, because of the timing, I think it will underscore the sense of a country in crisis and unmoored to a certain extent from that, which has been a constant for decades.

And, you know, there was this remarkable symbolic picture of Liz Truss being, you know, essentially given symbolically ceremonially the post of prime minister just two days before the queen passed away. I can't think of another recent moment when you've had a new monarch and a new prime minister. It's probably been centuries in Britain since this has occurred.

And I think first of all, here in the United States, we've had gasoline prices that skyrocketed up, but now have come down somewhat. We may not appreciate the full extent of the energy crisis that Britons are looking ahead to this winter. We're talking about not just doubling of their energy bills, but you know, many households looking forward to a chance of not even being able to pay for sufficient heating this winter.

That's the kind of crisis that Liz Truss is walking into. And I think this sort of ceremonial introduction to her premiership is not necessarily playing to her strengths as a politician.

LEMON: Mary, those meetings, a former prime minister say that those meetings are important because they can speak freely and they know that it won't be leaked. As Prince Charles was outspoken on issues how does he stay non-political and still exert influence here?

JORDAN: Well, that's the big question, right? because he has famously said, quote, "I'm not stupid. I'm not going to meddle anymore in politics." And he has said that, he's going to try to do that because, you know, he really riled people up when he literally wrote notes to ministers and said, you know what? I don't like this. And I don't like that.

That is not the role of the monarch. And he said, he understands that now that he is the number one monarch. So, but I think, you know, habits die hard. And so, we'll see if he sticks to that.

But I think what Susan is saying is so important. Gas prices are high here. They're really high there. The U.K. imports half of its food. The reason that Liz Truss is a prime minister, the very new prime minister is they kicked out Boris Johnson because things were so bad.

And by the way, Boris Johnson is part of the reason here in many people's eyes because of Brexit. You know, he cut them off. France is doing better. Other countries that can kind of help each other in Europe are doing better.

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This is a very unmoored unusual time that both we have Charles coming in and the prime minister coming in. I think it's frankly easier for Charles because people in times of trouble kind of look to the steadfast. And what's more steadfast in a thousand years of a monarchy and he doesn't have to deal with politics.

Liz Truss has a big problem here. She's got to fix things. She's got to pray that the Ukraine war stops, that food comes in and the prices of energy come down because everyone in England is going to be wearing cardigans this winter. You know, they're going to have double cardigans. That last picture we saw of the queen. She was wearing a cardigan and I think that's going to be the poster for this coming winter.

LEMON: Mary, Susan, thank you both. I appreciate it.

So, what is it about the Windsor that captures the entire world? We're going to talk about that. That's next?

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ELTON JOHN, SINGER: I send my love to her family and her loved one. And she will be missed, but her spirit leave -- lives on and we celebrate her life tonight with music. OK.

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LEMON: We're live at Buckingham Palace where the people of the United Kingdom are welcoming a new monarch, King Charles III, while bidding a sorrowful goodbye to Queen Elizabeth. It is a momentous transition in British history.

A lot to talk about now with Philippa Gregory, a historical novelist. She is the author of the "White Queen and the Other Bolen Girl." I'm also joined by Trisha Godard who's the host of The Week with Trisha Goddard.

Thank you both for joining us. Good evening to you.

Philippa, I'm going to start with you. There's such a worldwide fascination with the British Royals. What is it about them?

PHILIPPA GREGORY, HISTORICAL NOVELIST: I think it's -- there's a number of levels that one, there's the pomp and circumstance. And we, we in England believe that nobody does a show like we do, you know, royal wedding, Christening.

LEMON: Yes.

GREGORY: Or, you know, as you're going to see a state funeral and a coronation, you know, we've got all the kit already. We've got the horses. We've got the carriages. We're all good to go. And then the other thing is that, especially over recent years, I think it's become a soap opera.

I mean, especially with the younger royals and the next generation, there are now, you know, four of the queen's children and they have all had, quite dramatic private lives and they in turn have their children. And I think it's become something which is both gossip and celebrity and royalty.

LEMON: Yes. Listen, the walls are sort of, coming down so to speak, especially in the advent of social media. And it's just a different time. You used to be able to keep thigs private, but not so much anymore.

GREGORY: I think the queen is going to be the last private monarch that we ever see. I don't think that with her passing anybody is going to avoid the amount of scrutiny, which she was able to do, which she decided to do. But she, herself letting the television cameras for a family documentary on the advice of Prince Philip, who was a great modernizer.

LEMON: Trisha, I want to go to you now, because the queen had four children, grandchildren, and entire kingdom. How do you think she didn't all of this.

TRISHA GODDARD, HOST, THE WEEK WITH TRISHA GODDARD: Well, she wasn't there a lot of the time. I mean, like a lot of upper-class parents it was up to the nannies to bring up children and Prince Charles has talked about that. And I think it's interesting that Prince William, thanks to Diana. I think William and Harry have really fought back against that really working at giving their children a really stable childhood.

And it's interesting that the prince and princess of Wales, as they're now called, Catherine and William have moved to a quieter area, in a school where their children could all be together. And they obviously knew that the queen was ailing. They knew probably a lot more than the rest of us. And they -- it seems to me at some level, they would've been thinking it's now or never to give their children that bedrock of childhood. And remember, Catherine is very involved with organizations like

Homestead, I'm a patron of that is a parenting charity. They're very involved in mental health issues. They know through their own families how important it is to have their children have a really solid bedrock and how important mental health is.

I mean, look at all the issues that have played out in the -- in the royal family. No family, you know, demonstrates, well, it demonstrates more than ever but things like divorce, tragedy, loss, anger, arguments, they're all what every family does. And, they're doing their level best to protect their children in the ways they know how.

LEMON: Yes. As Philippa was said, it's become a soap opera. Philippa, the queen's popularity ebbed and flowed, right? There were highs like that. Like after World War II. Lows, like in the 90s with all of the drama surrounding Charles and Diana. How do you think she was able to stay the course and stay above the fray?

GREGORY: I don't think she stayed above the fray all the time.

LEMON: No.

GREGORY: I think she was very distressed, both at the death of Princess Diana and at the real sense, I think that a lot of people felt that Princess Diana had been unfairly treated by the royal family and that, you know, she should not have been edged out as I think she was.

And I think there was a moment where all the queen's advisors and her majesty realized they had to reset. And that was really a great time of change when finally, you know, the flag was lowered, which it shouldn't been as it's the death of a reigning monarch. Finally, there was a realization --

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LEMON: It took a while.

GREGORY: Yes.

LEMON: It took a week or so it took a week or so.

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GREGORY: It took a week or so and all of that time everybody was saying, show us you care. You know, we need to say you care because the British population had become more emotional, more expressive, less of a stiff up upper lip to whatever anybody says, you know, much more emotional than it used to be.

And the -- and the queen, you know, was of a previous generation and she was with the generation that you don't complain and that private life is private life.

LEMON: Yes. GREGORY: And I think that's -- there was a big change there. And I

think since then, we've seen definitely an opening of the doors and a sense that really the royal family, if they want to be relevant to the country, they have to reach out a lot and they have to physically touch in a way that they never ever did. And they have to be more accessible. And I'm sure Charles is going to do that as the new king.

LEMON: Thank you, Philippa. Thank you, Trisha. I appreciate it.

We're going to be back live from London where CNN special coverage of the death of Queen Elizabeth continues. Charles to be officially proclaimed king in just a matter of hours.

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LEMON: Queen Elizabeth touched so many people's lives. Most of whom she never even met. So many people sharing their stories. And tonight, one comes from my very own staff. My senior broadcast producer, Philip Holland (Ph). Her father, Tom Cooper is 87. He was born and raised in England. He tells his daughter that the age of five, he remembers then Princess Elizabeth addressing the nation's children who were displaced by the war.

Here's what we heard on the radio in October of 1940, Elizabeth was just 14 years old.

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QUEEN ELIZABETH II, QUEEN OF THE UNITED KINGDOM: I can truthfully say to you all that we, children at home are full of cheerfulness and courage. We are trying to do all we can to help our gallant sailors, soldiers, and airmen. And we are trying too, to bear our own share of the danger and sadness of war.

We know every one of us that in the end all will be well for God will care for us and give us victory and peace. And when peace comes, remember, it will be for us, the children of today to make the world of tomorrow a better and happier.

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LEMON: Those words meant so much to Tom as a young British child, struggling to understand his new reality of air raid shelters and bombing. And it was the first of many public speeches for the future queen.

We'll be right back. Laura Coates will be here. Stay with us.

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