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Top-Level Switch in Clinton Campaign; Marines Kicked Out of Toledo; Writers Guild Calls Membership Vote on Deal to End Strike; Tennessee Mosque Fire; 'In The Name of Love'

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TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: And just in to the CNN NEWSROOM, CNN projects that Barack Obama is the winner of today's Maine Democratic caucuses, giving him a clean sweep in this weekend's races.
Plus, a major shake-up tonight in the Hillary Clinton campaign camp. Could this switcheroo give Clinton an edge over Barack Obama?



UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everybody ought to have their own freedom to worship for whatever they want to worship for. I mean, I wouldn't want someone telling me that I can't be a Baptist.


HARRIS: Swastikas, racist graffiti, and a mosque burned to the ground. What prompted this awful crime?

And go away. That's what one mayor told the U.S. Marines in his town. Now he's under fire.

And later...


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HARRIS: What? Obviously the game has changed since I was -- well, anyway, these pickup artists are teaching men the new way to catch women, and it is not cheap.

We'll explain just in time for Valentine's Day.

You're in the CNN NEWSROOM.

And hello, everyone. I'm Tony Harris.

Another win for Barack Obama and a switch of change-up in the ranks of team Hillary Clinton.

First, with Clinton, out with the old campaign manager, in with the new. The Democratic senator promoted her longtime adviser Maggie Williams today, replacing Patti Solis Doyle at her helm of her White House run.

Nobody's talking about it. The news emerged in e-mails and memos.

CNN's Suzanne Malveaux is following the Clinton camp.


SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Campaign insiders say this really was expected. There was a lot of dissatisfaction with the ground operation. There was a sense that they did not know who was in charge.

Patti Doyle, the campaign manager, many people saying that they were frustrated with her (INAUDIBLE), as well as superdelegates who felt like their phone calls were not being returned. There was another concern within the campaign that the finances were going too quickly, that decisions over spending were not being made wisely.

You may recall that it was after Iowa, as well as New Hampshire contests, they brought in a new team, including Maggie Williams. Maggie Williams, many insiders saying, really kind of began to take on the role of campaign manager with those duties. And so that this was something that had become confusing for a lot of the staff.

One team basically reporting to Patti Doyle, another team reporting to Maggie Williams. A lot of confusion. They say authority was diffused.

But they also say these two women are close friends of Senator Clinton, that Senator Clinton made this decision. But according to one insider, he says that there didn't need to be some duel-layer hostile environment. It just all needed to be sorted out.

So, that is how it has shaken out, how it sorted out. Hopefully they'll have what they consider a consistent message from state to state moving forward.

A lot of concern. They want to make sure that she gets some wins. This is a contest, obviously, over the delegates, but also over the perception of momentum, moving forward in these critical races.

So the shake-up really seen as very important to the campaign. Obviously, everyone on board, but this is a big development for Senator Clinton and her team.

Back to you.


HARRIS: And this just in from the state of Maine. Today's Democratic caucus date, CNN now projects that Barack Obama will win that caucus, making this weekend a four-state sweep for him.

Listen to his comments from a short time ago in Alexandria, Virginia.


SEN. BARACK OBAMA (D-IL), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Let me say this about Senator Clinton. She is a smart person. She is a capable person. She would be a vast improvement over the incumbent.

So that -- I mean, let's -- let's stipulate to that fact. Let's stipulate to those facts.

What is also true is I think that it's very hard for Senator Clinton to break out of the politics of the last 15 years. And that politics is basically a politics where 47 percent of the country is on one side, 47 percent is on the other.

You've got 5 percent in the middle. They all live in Florida and Ohio, apparently.


And so you battle it out, and you never actually, even if you win, don't have -- you don't have a working majority for change. And the Congress doesn't change.

I mean, keep in mind we had Bill Clinton as president when, in '94, we lost the House, we lost the Senate, we lost governorships, we lost state houses. And so regardless of what policies they wanted to promote, they didn't have a working majority to bring change about.

Now, one of the strengths of this campaign has been that, although I am a strong progressive, because I believe in reaching out across the aisle, because of the tone I take where I try not to demonize others, we're able to attract Independents and disillusioned Republicans.


HARRIS: Is Mike Huckabee showing in Kansas and Louisiana a sign of how he'll do in Tuesday's primaries in Virginia, Maryland, and D.C.? If so, he could chip away even more at John McCain's lead in the race for the GOP nomination.

Huckabee spoke earlier during Sunday's service in Virginia, delivering a message mixed with a little church and state.


MIKE HUCKABEE (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: We must understand that our freedom does not exist in a vacuum. It exists only when there is moral clarity that guides it.

The reason we have so much government and so much law is because it is proportionate to the level of individual capacity that we have for our own moral direction. Frankly, we really don't need a lot of law if we're people of morality. There are only 10 basic laws that we need. If you think about it, the Ten Commandments cover it all. There's no need for an 11th. Everything that we need in life is covered in the 10.


And the reason that law gets more complicated is because we try to figure out clever ways around those 10.

I remember when I was governor and the Jonesboro school shootings happened in 1998, and I remember there was an outrage because people found out that we could only hold those shooters until they were 18 years old. And then by law they were going to have to be released.

And people were angry and they said, what do you mean you're going have to release these kids who committed the murders? And we said because that's the law. You can't hold them longer.

We ended up changing the law, but one of the things we were confronted with was that it was never in the minds of our legislature in 161 years of our state's history that we would ever have 11-year-olds committing mass murder on a school campus. So we had to add to the law to compensate for the degeneration of morality that had become a part of our culture.

When I hear today people say, well, all of you people that talk about morality just need to keep that separate because it has nothing to do with this country, let me just remind us all that the day that we do not have personal responsibility in our own moral commitments, the day that we do not understand what is right and what is wrong, is the day that we then have to compensate with additional levels of government.


HARRIS: OK. Let's be clear for a moment. At this stage in the game, when the candidates talk about votes, they're really talking about delegates. Get enough delegates on your side and, boom, you're the nominee.

The delegate gap between Republicans Huckabee and McCain is fairly wide, some say unbridgeable. Not so between the Democrats. Read the numbers with me. These are CNN's calculations.

Just 33 delegates separate Senators Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama. Now, keep in mind that these numbers do not reflect the just-in results from caucus states -- the caucus state of Maine. What it does say this is tight as can be.

John Edwards has some decisions to make. Will he endorse Hillary Clinton or Barack Obama? A decision may be coming despite some advisers encouraging Edwards not to endorse. Edwards has already met with Senator Clinton and will meet with Barack Obama tomorrow.

By now, you know CNN equals politics. We have the best political team on television. You can also log on to for the latest results, and you can hear the candidates live and unfiltered. The woman with an eye on the title "first lady" gets some one-on-one time with our very own Larry King tomorrow. Michelle Obama set to appear live on CNN's "LARRY KING LIVE" tomorrow evening.

Lawyer, Harvard grad, mother of two, and 15-year spouse of Democratic presidential candidate Barack Obama. Her exclusive interview with the best in the business, "LARRY KING LIVE," tomorrow evening at 9:00 Eastern right here on CNN.

Two years ago, a hero's welcome. This year, the reception wasn't just chilly, it was canceled altogether.

The mayor of Toledo, Ohio, wants a unit of Marine reservists to train some place else. They were coming from Maine. He says that many troops visiting his city at one time sends the wrong message.

What's the message?

Here's Jonathan Walsh of our affiliate WTOL.


JONATHAN WALSH, REPORTER, WTOL (voice over): Back in 2006, the Marines used downtown Toledo for their urban exercises to prepare them for situations in Iraq and Afghanistan. Mayor Carty Finkbeiner says he observed some of that training and saw citizens walking by.

MAYOR CARTY FINKBEINER, TOLEDO, OHIO: There was a look of wonderment on some people's faces, and there was a look of fear on other people's faces.

WALSH: He says in 2006 he met with the public safety director and chief of staff.

FINKBEINER: I said this is not a good idea.

WALSH: Mayor Finkbeiner goes on to tell us there was not enough information passed along to city leaders this time around.

FINKBEINER: Good planning can get a lot accomplished on behalf of the military while protecting the health, welfare and safety and tranquillity of men and women who live there.

WALSH: However, the Marines company commander says...

MAJ. DAN WHISNANT, COMPANY A, 1ST BATTALION, 24TH MARINES: I mean, we had press releases going out this week, and we had a previous planning meeting, a final planning conference, essentially in January, and everything was good to go.

WALSH: We asked people in Toledo if they think the mayor's decision is right.

GWENDOLYN JONES, DISAGREES WITH MAYOR: No. I feel we would have welcomed the Marines. JENNIFER FILLMORE, DISAGREES WITH THE MAYOR: They're here to protect us. A mayor has no right to say what they can and can't do. I think that would be up to the citizens, and I don't think the citizens have a problem with it.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Scaring the people? I think Carty scares the people more than the Marines scare the people.


HARRIS: Jonathan Walsh there from our affiliate WTOL.

A couple of footnotes here. Toledo police somehow knew about the training, but the memo never made it to the mayor until it was a little too late. And we're hearing the city council is talking about reimbursing the Marines $15,000 for travel expenses.

The search goes on, but it is slow-going. This is new up-close video into CNN three days after a deadly explosion at a Georgia sugar refinery.

The fire continues to smolder, and gusty winds are now fanning the flames. Three workers are still missing and five bodies have now been pulled from the ruins. The burned sugar is now also turning into sludge that's starting to solidify into a concrete-like substance.

The end to the writer's strike seems closer and closer. Our Brooke Anderson has the latest from the red carpet, where it is also Grammy night.

And coming up later, targeted for how you worship. New arrests and an awful crime that left a mosque burned to the ground.


HARRIS: Music's biggest night gets a free pass from the striking Writers Guild. No one will have to cross a picket line tonight to get to the red carpet awards ceremony, but everyone is well aware of the strike and the possible deal that could end it soon.

CNN's Brooke Anderson joins us from the Shrine Auditorium in Los Angeles.

And a lovely ensemble with the new developments.

Good to see you, Brooke.


And you're right, the writers' strike is coming to an end, so there's a sense of excitement and jubilation here at the Grammys, not just for music, but for the entertainment industry in general. The council and the board of the Writers Guild voted unanimously to approve the deal they struck with the producers, and they're sending it actually to their members for a ratification vote. On Tuesday, those members are voting whether or not to lift the strike. So, Tony, they could be back to work as early as Wednesday, which is very promising for the writers, the producers, and everyone who has been indirectly affected by the strike -- $1 billion is the economic impact at this point.

But right now -- Hi, Dave Grohl. Yes.

Were you over my shoulder that entire time talking...

DAVE GROHL, MUSICIAN: I couldn't hear what you were saying. I am deaf. I cannot hear.

ANDERSON: I am with Dave Grohl and the members of the Foo Fighters, as well as John Paul Jones from Led Zeppelin.

Great to see all of you, already big winners tonight at the pre-Grammy telecast. You won a Grammy.

GROHL: We got one.

ANDERSON: One down, four more to go tonight?

GROHL: Four -- well, three more to go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, we lost one.

ANDERSON: OK. Well, that's OK. It's still a big night. Five nominations total.

GROHL: It's not a competition. Or, no, wait, it is. Or I don't know.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No winners or losers.

ANDERSON: That's right, no winners, no losers, for sure, right? These five nominations are for your album "Echoes, Silence, Patience and Grace."

So, what does the nomination mean to you? What's its significance and a possible win?

GROHL: Nate, say something.



ANDERSON: Tell them to sound intelligent.

MENDEL: No, it's really flattering. You know, you go in and you make this album together, and you don't really think about it. And put it out in the world, and if people recognize it, you can't help but be, you know, really flattered by it. And I'm thankful.

ANDERSON: Nominated in the top category, album of the year as well. So that's really special.

GROHL: Yes. That one blows me away because I'm really proud of being -- just being nominated for that award, because we're the only rock band in that award. And hail, hail, rock 'n' roll. I'm glad that we get to represent rock 'n' roll this year.

ANDERSON: And you're kind of -- it's a departure tonight, your performance here at the Grammys. It's going to be with an orchestra.


ANDERSON: A number of people have said, I can't wait to see this.

What can we expect?

JOHN PAUL JONES, LED ZEPPELIN: I can't wait to see it either. We have got an orchestra of 30 young musician, orchestral musicians, some competition winners, some soloists. And we're going to play a song called "The Pretender." And there's a breakdown in the middle where we all do our stuff and then we all race for the end.

It's great.

ANDERSON: Oh, I can't wait for that.

Congratulation on your one win already tonight. And best of luck with the other nominations.

Take care. Good to see you.

GROHL: Thanks! See you guys.

ANDERSON: Dave Grohl from the Foo Fighters and John Paul Jones with Led Zeppelin.

We appreciate your time.

Tony, it's going to be an electrifying night. Crazy guys, I know.

HARRIS: Yes. And a little wacky, it seems.

All right. Brooke Anderson with us this evening.

All right, Brooke. Good to see you. Thank you, lady.



HARRIS: Look at those pictures. Homes near the South Carolina coast threatened by flames tonight. A wind-blown wildfire around the small city of Conway has forced people to flee some 60 homes.

The blaze has burned about 250 acres. Dozens of area fire departments are on the scene about 15 miles northwest of Myrtle Beach, and they have a tough fight on their hands. Winds are gusting up to 30 miles an hour and the humidity is low.

A small mosque in Columbia, Tennessee, may have been the target of a hate crime. The building was defaced and gutted, and now police have arrested three suspects, charging them with arson.

Brent Frazier from CNN affiliate WTVF has more on the mosque and the community.


JIM CAVANAUGH, ATF SPECIAL AGENT: We're working it as an obvious arson and a hate crime.

BRENT FRAZIER, REPORTER, WTVF (voice over): Seven years at 13th and Main, the Islamic Center went unharmed and, some neighbors will tell you, virtually unnoticed.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I didn't even know what the building was for.

FRAZIER: Obviously someone does know what the modest building is.

CAVANAUGH: Swastikas were painted on the side of the mosque, and graffiti indicative of white hate. So we've got an attack on a house of worship.

FRAZIER: The artist also wrote, "We run the world" and "White power."

(on camera): There's a fine line between hate crime and ordinary, everyday vandalism, but the Muslims who worship here in Columbia say, make no mistake, their center was targeted.

DAOUD ABUDIAB, ISLAMIC CENTER PRESIDENT: I would have suspected maybe vandalism, but to burn the building down, you know, that's a criminal act.

FRAZIER: If the early-morning fire didn't catch the eye of neighbors...

KEITH KYLE, NEIGHBOR: Just slept right through it and didn't even know anything was going.

FRAZIER: ... the afternoon racket likely did, as local, state and federal investigators combed for clues to tell them who's behind the crime many say is un-American.

JOLYNN DICILLO, NEIGHBOR: I don't think it's right. I mean, everybody ought to have their own freedom to worship for whatever they want to worship for. I mean, I wouldn't want somebody telling me that I can't be a Baptist if I'm a Baptist. You know?

FRAZIER: Neighbors are sharing with investigators anything they saw...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's just a tragic thing. This is not a part of Columbia's community. FRAZIER: ... and anything they heard.

Authorities are pinpointing the graffiti and fire between 3:00 and 5:15 a.m. Saturday, and the insensitive nature...


FRAZIER: ... is only fueling them to work harder to find the people responsible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoever had done it will have to pay for it.

FRAZIER: The people who inflicted not only hurt, but also hate.


HARRIS: That was Brent Frazier from our Tennessee affiliate WTVF. No one was injured in the fire. Mosque members say they haven't had any trouble before now.

Well, now we are taking a bit of a romantic turn, so hang on. Valentine's Day is on Thursday, and we have got a special half hour for you.

After the break, "In the Name of Love."


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I mean, honestly, it's -- you know, marriage is a challenge. It's a marathon. And I've grown in ways that I never thought I would have.


HARRIS: We will talk about keeping marriage alive and the challenges of dating in 2008.

That's next.


HARRIS: Valentine's Day is coming up this week, so in the name of love we thought we'd take a look at married and single life in America in 2008. In other words, we're talking to all of you tonight.

In the next half hour, you will hear from the experts and meet a couple married 25 years, and singles struggling in the dating scene. Plus, hear how some men are paying pickup artists big money to learn the tricks of attraction.

We start this Sunday night special with the state of marriage in America. There's good and bad news.

While on average, 40 to 50 percent of marriages end in divorce, college-educated couples and couples who marry later in life are breaking up less often than they were 10 years ago. In fact, the rate of divorce for that group is about 25 percent.

And the age at first marriage keeps going up. Many experts say those couples are often more mature and their careers more grounded.

The experts also say marriage, more and more, is based on personal happiness. While that's a good thing, how do you stay happy together for the long term? And how do you make it last?

Here's one couple's story of marriage, 25 years.



HARRIS (voice over): To love and cherish from this day forward until death do you part. You've got to admit, that is a high standard to meet. For most couples, the road to marital bliss gets bumpy along the way.

GARY MOSS, MARRIED 25 YEARS: Honestly, it's -- you know, marriage is a challenge, you know, it's a marathon. And I have grown ways that I never thought I would have. Never even realized I needed to grow.

HARRIS: June and Gary Moss have been married 25 years. Gary is a filmmaker, June, an I.T. manager.

JUNE MOSS, MARRIED 25 YEARS: ...he was so cute.


G. MOSS: She's lying. It works out perfectly.

HARRIS: This was a second marriage for both. When they met, they were nursing old wounds from their previous marriages.

J. MOSS: We almost took turns saying don't get serious about me, I'm not the marrying type.

HARRIS: But after two years of dating, they decided to tie the knot. A year later, they had a baby girl named Tyler. Gary and June are the classic yin and yang.

G. MOSS: Quiet satisfaction. I think is really important. Well, for me it is.

J. MOSS: Talking.

G. MOSS: We're different. Introvert, extrovert.

J. MOSS: I thought you were the...

G. MOSS: Yeah, right.

J. MOSS: Yeah.

G. MOSS: Intuitive, you know, concrete. HARRIS: But they say those differences were exactly what they needed to become better people.

J. MOSS: Yeah.

G. MOSS: You know, for a long time, I thought the way I viewed the world was the right way to view the world. I didn't say to anyone, but I thought that. And when you live with someone and find they're competent and they're intelligent and they are very, very different than you, it -- it's -- it's a light bulb moment, and you say, gosh, you know, there are other ways to understand the world and otherwise interact with the world.

And I don't even want to go into it anymore that I don't have a network of people that I can relate to.

J. MOSS: Gary is a very bright person, has always been an intellectual person and challenges me to keep up. And it's difficult to keep up, but I love the challenge and I love succeeding. You know, we bought this house and renovated it and Gary taught me to roof, you know, gave me a book and said go roof, you know, and expected that I would do that and I was determined that if he thought I could do that, I -- one time.


I would do it.

HARRIS: Marriage experts say marriage is more about personal happiness than ever before, that's because there are fewer religious and economic pressures for people to tie the knot, today.

STEPHANIE COONTZ, MARRIAGE HISTORIAN: So, it's really only in the last 30 years that men and women have been totally free to choose a mate on their own without the pressure of in-laws and society and on the basis of love and mutual attraction. And that's why marriage requires more negotiation and deeper friendship than ever has before.

HARRIS: The Moss's say their deeper friendship and trust opened up a whole new world of possibilities for them.

J. MOSS: My limitations went from being this smaller box of possibilities to just now, I don't even know what the limitations are in terms of being happy. I can't even imagine that we would get to touch all of the corners of our lives that we want to touch.

G. MOSS: We just have a great time. A lot of times we just, you know, we have running jokes of 25 years duration.


HARRIS: Time to turn the tables and take a few steps back, steps that lead to finding that certain someone after age 40.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) JUDITH SILLS, PSYCHOLOGIST AND AUTHOR: It is a fundamental mistake to think that ropance, sex, dating and love are easiest and best when you're 20 or 25.


HARRIS: Wow! Is that news to you?

We are talking about the fastest-growing group of singles in the country, and we're getting ready to take the mystery out of midlife romance -- right here in the NEWSROOM.


HARRIS: You are watching "In the Name of Love," a CNN pre-Valentine's Day special on marriage and single life in America.

Husbands and wives, this should make you feel pretty good. If you're in a good marriage, studies have repeatedly shown you'll be healthier and live longer than your single friends.


COONTZ: Men and women in a good marriage, they have better immune functioning. The more time they spend with each other, the lower their blood pressure goes. Their wounds heal faster.

But it's got to be a good marriage, because it's the opposite in a bad marriage, particularly for women. Men and women in a bad marriage have lower immune functioning. Even a few extra minutes of time spent together a day raises their blood pressure.


HARRIS: We now turn to all you singles out there, or those of you who wish you were. Let's take a look at the numbers.

The number of single adults in the U.S. is at a record high. There are a whopping 90 million of you out there.

Nearly 40 percent of all men and women in the United States are single. Why?

Americans are getting married later in life, living together without tying the knot, or simply not looking for love. And then there's single, 40 and older.

More people in that group today than ever before, yet meeting someone you connect with at that age is pretty difficult. Why? Well, it's any number of things, but that's not the real issue right now. We want to find out, what do you do about it?


HARRIS (voice over): The signs are everywhere. On the surface, looking for love looks pretty easy. We've all seen the roadmap. It's on billboards, Web sites, TV.


HARRIS: But for single men and women age 40 and older, "The Dating Game" has gone from this to this. A mutual friend introduced Chris Ferguson (ph) to Steve Deikhoff. They dated four years, then like so many couples, went their separate ways. He waited a year to even think about meeting someone new. Chris has dabbled with online dating.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It was hard at first, kind of desensitized. Got better at it and, you know, ended up having fun on my dates and actually meeting people that were interesting.

STEVE DIEKHOFF: I'm not necessarily out there looking, but I think when you're not it seems to find you.

HARRIS (on camera): You know, the thinking is when you're 40, 50, 60, you know yourself better. You're more in tune with what you want. And usually the idea of starting a family is not in the equation. And yet, getting back out there again can be tough. It's not like it was when you were 20.

So where do you go to get started? How do you get your groove back?

SILLS: Go online, not to meet anybody. It is the safest place to put your toe in the water and just practice, what's a profile, how do I send an e-mail? How do I flirt back? Who might respond to me with no intention to meet?

So your risk is very minimal. You need to rediscover your flirt long before you're worried about love, and actually the Internet is a good place for that.

HARRIS: Lynn Crow can attest to that. For her, lived up to its name. She met a man, fell in love, got married, ended up divorced.

LYNN CROW, MET HUSBAND ONLINE: It wasn't anything about online dating. I mean, you know, I knew it evolved from being online and just getting to know somebody, to having the same relationship issues that we all face. And as a person over 40 and having children and family, and trying to run your own life, very difficult.

HARRIS: The two remained close friends to this day, and Lynn continues to highly recommend the online dating experience. Only, here's her advice...

CROW: The "Jerry Maguire" movie, you know, "You complete me"...


CROW: ... no. I don't need anybody to complete me. I'm not looking for somebody else to make me happy. I'm working on that from within.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I just really feel that it's super important for women to make friends with women and to get those relationships at the forefront of your life. I think that's number one for a person, is to have a great friend or two that you can talk to and you can pour your heart out to and you can socialize with.

HARRIS: Whether it's online, at the grocery store, or a chance encounter while you're out with friends, one simple equation prevails. The more people you meet, the greater the odds you'll find that certain someone.

Just don't forget this in the process...

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's important how many people you meet, but it is more important who you are when you meet them.


HARRIS: Wow. How about that, huh?

Here's another thing. If you do the online dating thing, just be safe. Anybody can put anything in those profiles.

Meet for a first date, say, at a restaurant, at a mall, for example, where there are lots of people. And know this -- if you give someone your home phone number, they can use it to find where you live.

Some men playing the dating game are working on their pickup skills and taking things to a whole new level.


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I really like you. You know? I have to respond to my emotions. They're saying, you rock. I feel an overwhelming desire to kiss this girl. I don't even know her, but...


HARRIS: That's a script, and class is in session. Selling the secrets of attraction to men -- "The Pickup Artist" is next.


HARRIS: So let's say you're a great guy, you're nice to your mother, your friends love you, but you just don't have game when it comes to meeting ladies.

Cue "The Pickup Artist."


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Well, I've had someone just slide me their number and be like, "Yes, call me sometime," without even saying much to it. Just, "Give me your number."


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, it doesn't work. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, it does not. No.

HARRIS (voice over): Ah, the pickup line.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Because my friend has an iPhone, and she wanted to go take a look at it and play with it.

HARRIS: Not a lot has changed in the battle of the sexes -- guy meets girl, girl kicks guy to the curb, his self-esteem crushed. But now in 2008, some young men are spending very serious cash to get their game airtight.

"MYSTERY," PICKUP ARTIST: Can you imagine walking through this world and whether she's taken or not, the attraction mechanism will be fired?

HARRIS: Who can teach guys how to be so attractive to a woman she can't resist? Master pickup artives, of course.

"MYSTERY": In order to get a woman interested in you, you have to be interesting.

HARRIS: Enter these guys. He's called "Mystery" on the left there. That's his sidekick, "Matador," on the right.

Yes, those are goggles strapped to a cowboy hat. Looks a little odd, but thousands of men bow down to them.

"MATADOR," PICKUP ARTIST: We dedicate ourselves to understanding what a woman wants.

HARRIS: Dozens of articles have been written about them. They've even starred in their own reality show on VH-1, "The Pickup Artist."

In real life, they've been teaching seduction boot camps around the country for years. The price of admission? A whopping $3,000. These men have flown in from as far away as London to take Mystery's seminar in Las Vegas.

"MYSTERY": So how do you be interesting? You don't hit on her. That's not interesting to her, because she gets hit on all of the time. Right? You're the guy that's supposed to be in her life protecting her from all those jackasses.

HARRIS: But what qualifies this 6'5" beanpole to give advice on women? He says years of trial and error and a system he's tested over and over, what he calls '"The Mystery Method." The formula? Attraction, comfort, then seduction.

(on camera): The method, The Mystery Method, boil it down for us. What is it?

"MYSTERY": What is it? From meeting a woman to beginning a sexual relationship, we call that courtship. If I can meet the objectives of each phase, complete it so I can get to the next phase, if I can do that very cleanly with comfort, without compromising her comfort levels, then seduction is mutual.

HARRIS (voice over): And his book, don't let the title shock you, "The Mystery Method: How to Get Beautiful Women into Bed." Sounds disrespectful, sure, but Mystery says his goal for his students is much larger than the pickup.

It's about turning shy, social wallflowers into interesting, outgoing men. Just the way he transformed himself.

First, he tries to get his students past their fear of approaching women.

"MYSTERY": I abide by the three-second rule and I go in right away. It takes three seconds to go from where you are to where she is, so if you are attracted and you want to find out if there's more to her than meets the eye, go in right away. If you wait any longer, you may steal out the set, look like you're hovering, and you're approaching anxiety, your adrenaline release will build up.

HARRIS: That's called the open, and it begins the most important three-minute stretch in the game. In three minutes, the guy must tell a story, a narrative, show himself to be a leader, a risk-taker, attractive to other women, and able to show emotion. If the woman of his dreams is really good looking, say a 10, he acts like he's not interested.


"MYSTERY": I'm just disqualifying myself from being considered a potential suitor. She touches me, you know, and, I'm like, all right, slow this down, buy me a drink before you hit on me. (INAUDIBLE) on this girl.

HARRIS: Yes, there's a script of canned lines and techniques.

Frank's a pilot, in this class for the first time.

"FRANK," BOOT CAMP STUDENT: This isn't seduction. It's pickup. And pickup applies to everything you do in life, not just meeting women. If you pick up a beautiful woman, you can influence and lead other men.


HARRIS: OK. So can Frank pick up a beautiful woman? Does Mystery's method really work?


FRANK: Who are you here with? How do you guys know each other.


HARRIS: Up next, we hit the clubs undercover with the guys.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) HARRIS: OK. So here's the question -- does The Mystery Method to meeting women work?

We follow our friend Frank to the club with a hidden camera to see how he does.


HARRIS (voice over): CNN hit a very loud club with a hidden camera to watch one of the guys use his new skill set. His coach, "Matador," was right at his side goading him on.

FRANK: Is khaki a color or a fabric?


FRANK: We've been debating about it all night.

"MATADOR": Opener. Opener, opener. Ask her the opening question.

FRANK: You say it's a fabric, right?


FRANK: That's true, because there are no khaki-colored cars, right?

Who are you here with? How do you guys know each other?


FRANK: You guys are totally BFF's, right?

I'm not going to stay long. I've got to get back with my friends over here.

You guys are BFF's?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, they live here.

FRANK: They live -- and you're from out of town?

What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas, right?

HARRIS: "Matador" says Frank is overexerting, breaking the rule of non-neediness, but it's loud and he has to shout.

FRANK: I've got friends coming in for pilot training. I'm like, hey, let's go to Vegas for New Year's, right? So they're flying in tomorrow. We're meeting up with a girl I used to date.

HARRIS: Let's take apart his story. He started with the opener, "Is khaki a color or a fabric?" Now, that's a canned line. It's supposed to be interesting.

He says he's not going stay long, a false time constraint. Mystery says that it's supposed to trigger a girl's sense of loss and shows non-neediness.

He mentions pilot training, a sign of being a risk-taker. And a girl he used to date, shows he's pre-selected by women. In the end, he didn't get the girl.

(on camera): Look, I mean, they're giving you a script, and that's not who you are, is it?

FRANK: No. Absolutely not. And, yes, they give you a script; however, it's a script to show you how the process works. You're given the process and then you're given the script to practice that process, but ultimately that script you throw away and create your own.

HARRIS (voice over): These alums say practice makes perfect.

SHANE, BOOT CAMP STUDENT: Because at the beginning I was going out, was using the techniques. I was using the stories.

HARRIS (on camera): Sure you were!

SHANE: But now, like, I've got enough experiences where I have my own stories, things that are true about me that I tell them. I have beautiful women in my life, and now I talk to women to have a good time, to socialize.

I also talk to guys, too. We socialize, we go out and we have fun.

PAUL, BOOT CAMP STUDENT: I've met a lot of women, and a lot more than before. And many quality women. You know, doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, people that maybe before, the way I approached, I wouldn't have gotten past, like, "See you."

HARRIS (voice over): So what do women think about The Mystery Method?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I don't think it's a rule to getting girls.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I think it's a good thing for them to take those classes. They, you know, feel more comfortable with getting to know a woman and what she likes and what she doesn't like.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, my gosh. They're kind of pathetic. Can't you just have your own personality and go talk to someone?

HARRIS (on camera): Women fire back that what you're teaching these men to do is too objectify them.

"MYSTERY": I understand, though. I understand that is a viewpoint that people have.

"MATADOR": Basically, what you're saying is that we're teaching men how to understand women and what they respond to, and women don't like that. They want them to just be themselves.

HARRIS: They want the men to be themselves, reveal themselves. "MYSTERY": They want them to be their best selves. And if they aren't yet, then we'll catch the man up to speed so that they can have legitimate value for a woman.


HARRIS: There you go, "In The Name of Love."

When we come back, Grammy night in Los Angeles. Back to the Shrine Auditorium and our Brooke Anderson.


HARRIS: OK, Grammy night in Los Angeles, and our Brooke Anderson is there with a guest. A guest making a bit of a statement with a new album.

That is the rapper Nas, am I correct here, Brooke?

ANDERSON: You are correct, Tony. This is Nas. He's got his back turned. He doesn't know we're on air.

We're live right now. How are you doing?

NAS, RAPPER: How are you doing?

ANDERSON: Making a statement here with your T-shirt. This is the name of your upcoming album.

NAS: Yes.

ANDERSON: What kind of response have you gotten on the carpet with this?

NAS: I haven't really been paying attention, but so far, like with all you guys it's been open-mindedness. And I appreciate that.

ANDERSON: But what kind of message are you hoping to send with that new album and with the title?

NAS: It's all of the experiences we go through every day of all ethnicities -- black, white and different -- you know, I've got my friends here, the actress, (INAUDIBLE). I've got all my crew here.

We've all at some point felt discriminated on, you know, whether it's in Dominican Republic, whether it's in China, whether it's in Iraq with soldiers getting their heads blown off for reasons we don't know why. And, you know, the meaning of the word is supposed to be ignorant.

So there's money being made off us poor, innocent, so-called ignorant people. So, no longer are black people (EXPLETIVE DELETED) today. It's also me and you.

ANDERSON: So you're thinking about your upcoming album, as well, but here at the Grammys today you're actually nominated for "Hip Hop is Dead," your previous album for best rap album. And, you know, are you trying to send a message with that title as well? Because hip-hop isn't dead in my eyes. Kanye is up for eight Grammys.

NAS: I mean, that was last year. And that's been done. And I appreciate all the response I got from that. This is a whole new channel.

That train has left the station. That's what all those guys are dealing with. Now I want people to think about what I'm thinking about today.

What I'm thinking about today is a more current issue with the presidential race right now. It's time for a new president to come in office and take away -- abolish this thing that only allows black people to vote for another 23 years.

ANDERSON: Who do you support?

NAS: Whoever can stop -- abolish this thing that doesn't allow black people to vote after 23 years from now.

ANDERSON: All right. Well, best of luck to you tonight, Nas, and in the future with your upcoming album.

NAS: Thank you so much.

ANDERSON: We appreciate your time.

Thanks for your patience, ladies. Thank you so much.

Tony, it's going to be an exciting night.


ANDERSON: You've got people like Nas here. You've also got electrifying performances.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: By the way, John Lennon had a song called "Women are the Niggers of the World."


UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: That was many years ago.

ANDERSON: Thank you for sharing.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It hasn't changed.

HARRIS: Yes, we still...

ANDERSON: Everyone sending a message here.

HARRIS: Yes. We still want to know what the real point is.

All right, Brooke. Appreciate it. Thank you.

I'm Tony Harris.

See you back here at 10:00 p.m. Eastern in the CNN NEWSROOM.