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New CIA Torture Allegations Surface; Castro's Comeback?; MacAskill Defends His Decision to Release Lockerbie Bomber; Dr. Murray Admits to Administering Propofol to Michael Jackson; New Information on CIA Interrogation Techniques Raise Questions, Eyebrows; British Public Service Announcement Gaining Notoriety

Aired August 24, 2009 - 14:58   ET

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RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: Coming at you right now, an emergency session in Scotland.

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KENNY MACASKILL, SCOTTISH JUSTICE SECRETARY: It therefore fell to me to decide whether Mr. Al-Megrahi should be released on compassionate grounds. A decision had to be made. And I stand by my decision.

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SANCHEZ: Lawmakers called back as outrage grows over the release of a killer and terrorist who gets a hero's welcome.

New video of Fidel Castro, from death's door to remarkable comeback? What is Fidel's story?

Is nature trying to tell us something? Watch the iceberg melt and the waves form as if on cue.

A new report on torture. Now, will there be prosecutions? It's breaking news, and we're on it on your national conversation for Monday, August 24th, 2009.

Hello again, everybody. I'm Rick Sanchez. Something just happened I want you to see. It's an abrupt but very dramatic moment with a woman who says that her husband is not getting any insurance coverage, and she is so desperate. You're going to hear it in her voice.

She seems critical of health care as it is now. She is pleading with one Republican senator who is most against reform. That's what makes this for such an interesting exchange. Here is her plea now and his response.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We need help. My husband has traumatic brain injuries. His health insurance will not cover him to where he can even drink (ph). And what I need to know is are you going to help him where he can even drink? We left the nursing home and they told us we are on our own. He left with a feeding tube. I have been working with him, but I'm not a speech pathologist, a professional that takes six years for a master's. And I'm trying to get him to even drink. (INAUDIBLE)

SEN. TOM COBURN (R), OKLAHOMA: Well, I think, first of all, yes, we will help.

The first thing we will do is see what we can do individually to help you through our office. But the other thing that's missing in this debate is us as neighbors helping people that need our help.

You know, we tend to...

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COBURN: The idea that the government is the solution to our problems is an inaccurate, a very inaccurate statement. Government...

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SANCHEZ: Well, what is interesting about that is that Senator Coburn just essentially said the government is not the solution.

But then you have to ask yourself, he just told her to come and see him. Isn't he the government?

By the way, after helping her, what will he do about the other 46,999,000 Americans who don't have insurance and the thousands upon thousands of Americans who say they do have insurance, but, like her, they're not getting coverage? We will ask those questions and we will stay on top of that story for you.

All right, here's the breaking news story that we have been telling you about. It's coming out of Washington. It happened in about like the last 10 or 15 minutes. Associated Press is now reporting United States interrogators threatened to kill the children of 9/11 suspect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in the event of other attacks on U.S. soil, that information contained in a long-suppressed report we have been awaiting all day.

We also know because CNN had earlier confirmed that interrogators threatened this terror suspect with an electric drill, no, not Khalid Mohammed, but this man right here. The man you're seeing right there is Abd al-Rahim al-Nashiri. He was a suspect in the bombing of the U.S. warship Cole.

Now listen to this. At the same time these details are leaking out, all this is happening right now. Attorney General Eric Holder now is naming a prosecutor to examine nearly a dozen cases in which CIA interrogators and contractors, mind you, may have violated anti- torture laws of the United States.

Robert Baer is a former CIA agent, now a columnist for TIME.com. He has written extensively and very well, I might add, about U.S. intelligence or, in some cases, lack thereof.

Bob, good afternoon.

ROBERT BAER, INTELLIGENCE ANALYST, TIME.COM: Good afternoon.

SANCHEZ: Did you or anybody that you ever worked with threaten someone with a drill?

BAER: Oh, absolutely not. This happened after 9/11.

When I was in the CIA -- I spent 21 years there -- we were absolutely forbidden from hostile interrogations, is what we used to call them, or torture, in any form, or working with governments that tortured people. This is something new occurred after 9/11 which, mind you, is against U.S. law.

SANCHEZ: There's something that I emphasized there. I don't know if you caught it when I was reading it because it's not just CIA agents who may have done this, but some of these people working for the government, these contractors, who are essentially in many cases really mercenaries, but they're working in your name and in my name.

Does that trouble you?

BAER: It trouble -- the last I have heard is, this assassination program which went from the CIA to Blackwater, was given $30 million of unaccountable information.

At the same time we have got Blackwater employees accusing management of actually killing people. I mean, they are hiding behind the veil, the corporate veil, which is hiding behind the veil of secrecy, which the CIA lives under. We have no idea what went on.

SANCHEZ: Let me ask you a question, because it sounds to me like the president of the United States really doesn't want this to happen because he's just juggling way too many balls right now. But it's starting to look, from this report that I just read, that Eric Holder will move forward with not only naming someone to investigate this, but eventually having prosecutors.

That means we're looking -- it's starting to look, Bob, like people are going to be prosecuted in these cases. Some Americans are going to look at this and say, don't prosecute them. They were only trying to stop terrorists, so even if they made some mistakes or did some things illegal, so what?

What do you say to that?

BAER: Look, at times of war, there are always abuses.

But the military has in place a system. It's called court martials. Even in Iraq now, during the Vietnam War, during the Second World War, we have had court martials. The CIA should have some sort of system where there's an accountability. Whether it's a special prosecutor or a system like court-martials, I don't know, but there has to be accountability. (CROSSTALK)

SANCHEZ: So if these guys did this, should they be prosecuted, if they took a working drill and put it next to somebody's head? If they took out a gun and started firing it, pretending to be killing people, and then told the person that they were so-called torturing that he would be next, should they be prosecuted?

BAER: If it's against American law, yes. No one's above the law, the military, the police, the FBI, you and me, yes. Nobody is against -- if they broke the law. Yes, what can I say? They have to be. We have no choice.

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SANCHEZ: Finally, one more question. This guy al-Nashiri, did he know -- because it sounds like some of the things they did, they did to him sound pretty awful anyway if they actually happened. Do you know from your sources if this guy had some kind of imminent threat that was about to be imposed on the United States or its people?

BAER: No, they didn't know whether there was a ticking bomb in his case. What they wanted to find out is what he knew. And he wasn't talking right away, or they didn't think he was. So, they resorted to these techniques.

We knew very little about al Qaeda before 9/11. And there was a desperate attempt to get more information. I understand the atmosphere.

But the point is that some people went beyond even the very wide guidelines. And there must be an accountability for that.

SANCHEZ: Well, it sounds like there may very well be an accountability.

Bob Baer, thanks so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

BAER: Thank you.

SANCHEZ: An emergency session in Scotland over this man. Even the Scots are now angry at their own government for releasing a terrorist and then watching as he's treated like a hero when he gets back to Libya. We are going to bring you the very latest on this unfolding story.

Also, Fidel Castro is back in the spotlight. How can that be? And what's really going on here with this guy?

Also, you are going to see during this newscast one of the most amazing, certainly one of the most graphic public service announcements ever. In fact, here's a taste.

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SANCHEZ: Here we go. A lot of comments from that conversation we just had with CIA guy Bob Baer moments ago.

Let's go to our Twitter board, if we possibly can.

Here's R. Brad King. He says: "No, it's not right. We cannot protect the values that America stands for by ignoring those same values when it fits our needs."

But we have got a contrasting viewpoint from the RIGHTOne, who watches our show regularly. He says, "Haven't heard anything that upsets me about our CIA, not even when you try to sensationalize it."

My thanks to both of you for your comments.

And now this -- this is a story that tops anything that you can see on reality television. It came to an abrupt end in a Canadian motel room, where staff members found the body of Ryan Jenkins. He's the former reality show contestant accused of the brutal murder of his wife, Jasmine Fiore, a California swimsuit model.

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KEVIN WALKER, MOTEL MANAGER: A man hanging from a belt from a coat rack. That was it. Death is not a pretty scene.

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SANCHEZ: All right, they're calling this one an apparent suicide, but discovering the body doesn't quite close the case. The motel manager says Jenkins had been staying at the motel since Friday, when he was dropped off by a young blonde woman. Police are still trying to figure out who that woman was and whether she knows anything about this crime.

We will be following it for you.

By the way, when we come back, outrage among the Scots. And you know what they're outraged at? Their own country, for letting a terrorist get a hero's welcome. That's next.

And then Castro, not Raul -- Fidel -- looking like he wants his job back. What gives?

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SANCHEZ: We call this a national conversation, and that's exactly what we try to do, involve you as much as possible in some of the stories that we're covering.

Let's go to our Twitter board, because, man, we're continuing to get a ton of response on this conversation we had just a little while ago about the possibility that people could be prosecuted for torture who are American CIA agents or members of different military contracting organizations.

Start with -- at the top: "I agree with the court-martial equivalent for rogue interrogators. This behavior leaves us no moral standing in the world."

However, look just below, what RuggedCwby says. You see it right there? He says: "If scare tactics prevent another 9/11, then do it. Who cares what them barbarians think? I don't."

My thanks for your comments.

It turns out that even Scots are outraged by Scotland's decision to free convicted Pan Am bomber Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi. Justice Minister Kenny MacAskill faced an emergency session of his own Scottish parliament today. He insists that his decision was made strictly on humanitarian grounds.

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KENNY MACASKILL, SCOTTISH JUSTICE SECRETARY: I received an application from Mr. al-Megrahi for compassionate release. He was diagnosed with terminal prostate cancer in September 2008.

I have been regularly updated as to the progression of his illness. I have received numerous comprehensive medical reports, including the opinions of consultants who have been treating him.

It is quite clear to the medical experts that he has a terminal illness and, indeed, that there has recently been a significant deterioration in his health.

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SANCHEZ: Let me remind you that 270 people died when the Boeing 747 exploded over Lockerbie. And families were outraged when they saw the bomber, Abdel Basset Ali al-Megrahi, returning to Libya and getting this hero's -- I mean, look at this video.

This is a man who was found guilty of blowing some 260 people out of the sky. The other 10 or so were killed on the ground there in Scotland. And he's being treated as if he were a hero.

As we -- as we stay with this video, I want to bring in CNN's political contributor Robin Oakley. He's in London following this story.

Robin, is there starting to be some blowback on this in Scotland, and does it have to do with the possible boycotts, or is there a deep- seated feeling that maybe they may have made a mistake?

ROBIN OAKLEY, CNN EUROPEAN POLITICAL EDITOR: There is certainly as much irritation and anger about this in Scotland and the rest of the U.K. as there is on the international scene, Rick. Particularly there's a huge sympathy with the families of the Lockerbie victims.

And even Kenny MacAskill, the man who made this decision on compassion grounds, was angered by the kind of reception, that hero's welcome, you're talking about that al-Megrahi got when he went back to Tripoli. And I think that has tipped the balance, if it needed any further tipping, politically, in that people who might have seen a wider realpolitik justification for this in terms of continuing good relations with Libya, helping it to cease being a pariah state and bringing it into the community of nations, a lot of people saying no, this is a step too far, particularly because of the way they greeted al-Megrahi when he returned -- Rick.

SANCHEZ: Let me ask you a question, because we have asked a lot of questions at the White House here in the United States. And essentially what we are hearing from President Obama and some of the spokespeople is that they had called the Libyans. They had told them they didn't want to see this kind of reaction. In fact, the president said just last Thursday, I recall, that he wanted to make sure that this guy was under house arrest when he got there.

Working the other side of the Atlantic for us, do you know if any such assurances were either gained or tried to negotiate by either Gordon Brown's administration or some of the folks in Scotland?

OAKLEY: Absolutely, Rick.

Both the Scottish government, who granted the release to al- Megrahi, sought assurances that there would be no hero's welcome, that it would all be a quiet and discrete affair. So did Gordon Brown, who met Gadhafi, Colonel Gadhafi, the Libyan leader, at this year's G8, to which he was invited as an observer for the first time.

Shortly after that, he wrote him a letter, Gordon Brown did, saying, dear Moammar, as he started it, wishing him a happy Ramadan and saying, look, if there does happen to be a release of al-Megrahi on compassion grounds, please ensure that the whole thing is treated quietly and discretely and reasonably.

Well, whatever assurances he may have got in return, and we don't know that there were assurances, then certainly it's not been carried out when he got there.

SANCHEZ: Let me look to the future here a little bit and ask you one more question. I know you're not a doctor, and neither am I, but I do know this. And I think you probably do as well. If you get something like pancreatic cancer, you are usually going to live maybe one, two, three months. And, unfortunately, that's when most people die.

If you get prostate cancer, you and I both know you can live for years with that. If this guy, al-Megrahi, is still alive a year from now, man, how big a problem is this going to be for the Scottish government and I guess in part for the British government as well?

OAKLEY: Yes. The longer he lives, the greater the embarrassment obviously for the Scottish government.

What Kenny MacAskill did say was that he had a particular form of cancer that was effectively untreatable by any of the known remedies or alleviations for this particular form of cancer, Rick. So, I think they're pretty strong on their prognosis that he is not likely to live much longer than three months. But, as you say, if he does, that's going to be adding to the political embarrassment -- Rick. SANCHEZ: Yes, I think it will as well.

Robin, thanks so much. As usual, good job for us. We appreciate it.

Is he dead? Is he on death's door? I mean, these are the questions that have been asked in South Florida and around the world about Fidel Castro. Actually, now it's starting to look like he's doing OK, if not better than OK. Could Fidel Castro be president of Cuba again?

Also, mock executions, threats made with power drills, those are among the charges contained in the new report on U.S. interrogations. What will it lead the U.S. attorney general to do? We have got breaking news on this story. And we are going to be sharing it with you in just a little bit. The story still moving as we go forward.

And then the after-show, that's right at 4:00 on CNN.com/live. Be sure and stay with us on CNN.com, where we will continue for another 15 minutes today, showing you more of that video we have been telling you about out of England. Stay with us. We will be right back.

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SANCHEZ: Hugo Chavez is shutting down golf courses in Venezuela. And guess who's back? You might say his figurative uncle. Remember when we figured that Fidel Castro was as good as gone from the political scene? Some were even thinking he was dead. There were the hospital pictures like these, the stories of cancer, failed surgeries. And then he finally ceded power. Castro ceding power?

And then there were rallies in Miami. And there's his room. There he is in a hospital bed. Well, here we are three years later and the maximum leader emeritus isn't looking bad, not at all. But why the flurry of these news pictures suddenly coming out of Cuba? What's Havana trying to signal to the rest of the world? And how did we get this so wrong?

By the way, what's the reaction in South Florida's Cuban exile community? Popular TV personality Elvira Salazar is going to join me live. She's going to be talking about this and letting us know what the real lowdown is on this story. Stay with us. We will be right back.

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SANCHEZ: Checking your reaction and your tweets. We are certainly getting a lot of it.

I want to show you something, though. Take a look back at Fidel Castro. This is in the summer of 2006. This is about the time that he steps aside as president. And remember there were rallies in the streets of Miami? We covered a few of those. In fact, many thought that he was on death's door at the time with a rare and mysterious gastrointestinal ailment. Then, for a long time, we barely saw him, and now this. Take a look at this video of Fidel Castro. This is this weekend. Comparatively speaking, it's a huge difference. In fact, he seems to have recovered.

While we look at this video, let's hear from the most popular television personality in the heavily Cuban exile community of South Florida, my old friend and colleague Maria Elvira Salazar joining me now.

Good afternoon, Elvira. How are you?

MARIA ELVIRA SALAZAR, HOST, "MARIA ELVIRA LIVE": How are you, Rick? Nice seeing you.

SANCHEZ: Likewise.

What's going on with this guy?

SALAZAR: Well, it's like you said. He's getting healthier, he's getting better. And poor Cuba and poor Cuban people, because the healthier he gets, the worse they get.

SANCHEZ: Is he undercutting his own brother? Because it almost seems like, I am going to give you the job there, Raul, but now I'm going to start showing up in the media looking all trim and fit and talking to the people.

You would think that wouldn't help Raul's solid foundation of ownership over the country.

SALAZAR: No doubt about it. He's undercutting every single step that Raul is trying to do.

And not only that. It's a bad day, not only for Raul, but it's also a bad for the Obama administration, because you know that President Obama has shown the best intentions to get close to the Cuban regime, has shown the best intentions to open up and say, hey, let's dialogue.

SANCHEZ: Right.

SALAZAR: But every time that Fidel shows up, it's a no, no, no. And he has undermined his own brother, Raul. When Raul said, hey, yes, let's sit at the table with the Americans, Fidel said, no, he made a mistake.

SANCHEZ: Well, I think -- and I think you would agree that as long as Fidel Castro's in the picture, it would be difficult for this country to have any kind of rapprochement with Cuba.

With Raul, maybe. He still has Castro as a last name, but as long as this guy is in the picture, Fidel Castro, I just don't see it happening, under a Democratic or Republican administration.

What's your take? SALAZAR: I think that -- exactly what you're saying. The empirical evidence is overwhelming.

For three years, Raul has been in power, he has tried to do certain changes in the economy. He has tried to talk to the Americans. But every time that Fidel gets better, like this time, he says no.

So, I think the Obama administration is in the position to have to wait. Listen, Fidel is like a big ghost, Rick. He's like a very big ghost behind his brother. And this ghost, we thought, like you said at the beginning, was dead and he was about to die. And now he's getting healthier, bigger and wider. So...

SANCHEZ: I bet you -- I know my parents love to watch your show every night. I can only imagine that you are going to be leading with this tonight.

What do you expect the reaction is going to be in South Florida? How frustrated will South Florida's Cuban exile community be to see pictures of Fidel Castro looking healthier than he did two or three years ago?

It's very disappointing, because you have to understand that everybody wants the Cuban people to eat better, to have freedom, and to be able to join the international community.

It's a sad day for everybody, starting with the Obama administration and finishing with the people that we represent, you and me, the Cuban exiles. And we have been wanting to really believe in Raul, that Raul is going to do good things for the Cuban people, that he's going to open up economically, he will allow the little beauty shop that the lady on the street wants to open up.

But, no. You know why? Because Fidel doesn't let him, because Fidel doesn't care about anything.

Like you said, I'm so happy your parents watch me, and I love them, and thanks for being able to meet your mom the other day. The problem is that Fidel doesn't love anybody, Rick. He doesn't love his own family. He has shown he has very little love for his own children.

SANCHEZ: But that's interesting because I hear you saying, and we are running out of time here, but I almost hear you saying that you believe, as do many people who have studied Raul Castro believe, that he actually is more malleable than his brother.

SALAZAR: Listen, Rick, Raul is a big if. It's a big if. No one really knows who Raul is because he has his brother next to him, calling him and bothering him.

So now that his brother is better, we know Raul, or we have seen during the last three years that Raul is not going to dare to do anything his brother doesn't allow.

SANCHEZ: Sounds like we just have to wait and see.

SALAZAR: Unfortunately.

SANCHEZ: All right. Maria Elvira, mucho gracias.

SALAZAR: Thank you, nice seeing you, Rick.

SANCHEZ: All right, this is shocking.

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SANCHEZ: That's just a little piece of this. I will show you this video because, well, we met and discussed it. It's very graphic. I've got to tell you.

I don't know -- you can decide for yourself as a parent whether you want your kids to watch it or not watch it. I know I probably would want my kids to watch it because my kids text way too much. My teenagers, that is, not the little ones.

Does this public service announcement go too far or is it just right? We will let you decide for yourself.

Also, will he or won't he? That's the question surrounding Attorney General Eric Holder. It sounds like he's pushing towards having prosecutors decide whether the CIA went too far. There's a new report we will share with you in just a little bit.

And don't forget the after show. We'll bring it to you right here at 4:00.

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SANCHEZ: Let's do a reset for you, because there's a lot of stuff going on. We told you at the beginning of this newscast that there's breaking news coming out of Washington.

Let me try and catch you up on that, if I can. Here's what we know at this point. United States interrogators have threatened to kill the children of 9/11 suspect Khalid Sheikh Mohammed in the event of other attacks on U.S. soil.

That is information that they're gaining now because it's been contained in a very longtime suppressed report that was released about a half hour ago, just as we were getting ready to go on the air.

Now we have been wondering whether that report was going to be released. It's important because it may lead to prosecutions of CIA agents, or maybe even of some of the military contractors who may have done some of these, who may have, may have gone too far.

There's another explosive detail I want to share with you now. This one, details that interrogators threatened this terror suspect you see right there with an electric drill by turning it on and keeping it close to him and threatening they would use it on him.

That's Abd Rahim al-Nashiri. He was a suspect, they say, in the bombing of the U.S. warship Cole.

Also, in the past half hour, here's more information that we have gained on this. Attorney General Eric Holder has ordered a federal prosecutor to examine nearly a dozen cases in which CIA interrogators and contractors may have violated anti-torture laws.

Again, he's placing this man as the person who will do the probe to determine whether these cases will be open. That's prosecutor John Durham. Durham has been investigating the destruction of CIA interrogation tapes as well since January, 2008.

So there's some movement now on some of the actions that took place during the Bush administration, something the president says he doesn't want to get involved with because he's already got too much stuff going on. But that's the newest information.

There's another story developing just as we were getting ready to go on the air. I want to share it with you now.

We have been telling you about the town halls taking place all over the country. This is Senator Tom Coburn from Oklahoma at a town hall he held today.

Tom Coburn, you should know, is very much against health care reform, at least in the form in which it's been presented by the White House. This is a woman that seems to be saying the present system doesn't work. She breaks down in tears as she tries to plead with him to give her some kind of solution. Let's listen.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Senator Coburn, we need help. My husband has traumatic brain injuries. His health insurance will not cover him to even drink.

And what I need to know is are you going to help him where he can't even drink? We left the nursing home and they told us we were on our own. He left with a feeding tube.

I have been working with him but I'm not a speech pathologist, a professional that takes six years for a master's, and I am trying to get him to eat and drink. (Inaudible)

SEN. TOM COBURN, (R) OKLAHOMA: Well, I think first of all, yes, we'll help. The first thing we'll do is see what we can do individually to help you through our office.

But the other thing that's missing in this debate is us as neighbors helping people that need our help. We tend to --

(APPLAUSE) The idea that the government is the solution to our problems is an inaccurate, a very inaccurate statement.

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SANCHEZ: We have one viewer who's commenting. He says, this is on twitter there, Robert, says "She was lucky that they gave her a chance." Well, they gave her a chance to comment, nonetheless.

When we come back, we have been telling you that there is this remarkable small movie is probably the best way to refer to this that's coming out of England. It is a PSA, public service announcement, where they're trying to get people to stop trying to text or e-mail while they drive. It is very dramatic. And you will see it for yourself.

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SANCHEZ: I want to show you a picture now in a recent "New York Times" article, this from Greenland. The island you see there, see, many had thought that for years it was part of the mainland. But the ice has now melted and for the first time, residents there have discovered that whoever owned that real estate just to the right of that picture got a really bad deal.

And that is where we start fotos for this day. Every serious scientist who's not secretly working for an oil company will tell you that Greenland's ice sheet is melting at an exponential rate.

Maybe we don't even have to listen to scientists. Maybe all we have to do is listen to nature. Watch this video. I want you to focus not on the people having their picture taken but rather on the iceberg behind them. Watch as part of it starts to melt and it collapses right before your eyes and theirs.

This is Greenland, folks. Watch the waves it sends toward them as it shifts. And now watch as they all turn around as if the earth itself was trying to tell them something.

Global warming deniers will call this a coincidence, and they may be right. But a recent Ohio State study found that if you take all of the landmass of Manhattan and multiply it ten times and even then some, that's how much ice Greenland has lost just between 2000 and 2008.

Now it's time for dos. You know you don't get out of much when you don't know how to use an automatic sliding glass door, do you? Imagine being so confused by something, this routine for most of us, that you freak out and then you crash right through it like you have never seen glass before. Folks, that's an exit.

Now, I want you to meet the guy who reminds me of the guy that I played in the club championship this weekend, I swear. He hits the ball great, but about that pre-shot routine, it's got a little skip in it. Actually, it's got a little double skip in it. And then it's got like a little loop-de-loopy thing.

And then he takes a couple steps back. And then he takes another big step back. And then he hits it. And listen to the gallery.

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SANCHEZ: OK. We cheated a little bit. Isn't that amazing? That's some swing.

Coming up next, if you want to make your kids put down the cell phone while they're driving, there is a controversial video that I want you to see. This may be the most powerful public service announcement ever. It's like watching a movie. And you're going to see it in all its graphic detail.

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SANCHEZ: We've got some developing news that we need to share with you having to do with Michael Jackson and apparently what may have killed him.

This is according to the "Los Angeles Times," they have just released a report which we are very close to confirming ourselves, I understand. And what they're confirming is that Michael Jackson did indeed die of lethal levels of Propofol.

And this is what the court documents are showing. L.A. County coroner's officials found lethal levels of the powerful anesthetic Propofol after examining Michael Jackson's body. This is according to a search warrant.

Now, here's what's interesting about this. Jackson's doctor, Conrad Murray, told the LAPD detectives he had been treating Jackson for insomnia for about six weeks. He had been giving Jackson 50 milligrams of Propofol every night using an intravenous line. Again, that's according to court records.

Here's what's even more interesting about this, that on the day that Jackson died -- let me make sure I'm looking over my notes here -- he acknowledged that he obtained and administered this powerful anesthetic Propofol to Jackson the morning Jackson died.

Now, stay with me here. In an interview with police, Murray told them that he left Jackson alone under the influence of this medication to make telephone calls to his Houston office and to family members.

So he has told the LAPD, according to newly released documents, yes, he had given him Propofol that morning, and then he had to leave to make telephone calls. Again, that's according to the documents. When he returned, that's when he discovered Jackson was not breathing, as you have heard in previous reports. He performed CPR, and one of Jackson's staff members called 911. He was rushed to the hospital, where he was later declared dead.

So there's a lot of new information that we can talk to you about now. The fact that they're reporting that Michael Jackson did die of Propofol and it was Conrad Murray who admits he had been giving him Propofol for some time now.

And on the day he died, he also told LAPD that he had, as well, given him the Propofol, administered it to him, but he says that he had to leave to make some telephone calls.

Obviously this is a story that will be moving some more. As it does, we will share it with you. Again, brand new information.

I want you to watch something now. I want you to watch something with me. It's tough to watch. It's a lot like a movie, and ever since I saw it last week, we saw it last week, it's kind of been stuck in our heads.

My staff and I watched this and decided that we should probably see this, that we should show this to you. Again, it's very graphic.

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SANCHEZ: All right. It continues. And it's just as graphic in its continuation. It's very strong. It's obviously like a movie that was shot. It's not something that really happened.

It's a PSA being shown in schools in England. It's the first showing on a U.S. television network. It's going to last about four minutes when you see the whole thing.

And as you saw, it is very raw, very graphic, and we've got more coming up, next.

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SANCHEZ: By the way, CNN, has just confirmed that information I share with you moments ago that was in the "L.A. Times" that Michael Jackson died of Propofol, and that we also know -- that's according to court documents, by the way -- and his doctor had actually told police previously that he had administered Propofol to him that morning and had been left to make some telephone calls.

So, again, CNN confirming this information now. Expect this information to move.

All right, back to that graphic video I've been telling you about. It's a public service announcement, probably as graphic as anything we've ever seen. Its aim is to get my kids, all kids, hopefully my kids and your kids to not text while they're driving a car.

Hold on to your hats, folks. This is tough to watch.

And joining me now on the phone to set it up is Amy Ingram, who's actually in this film. You'll see her in there. You'll recognize her. Amy, give us a 20-second intro on what we're about to see here.

AMY INGRAM, "EMM" IN BRITISH PSA: Hi. Well, basically, the film shows the dangers of texting while driving. There's a young girl driving the car, there's two passengers around about the same age, and she basically kills two of their friends, or the passengers...

SANCHEZ: Killed? You said killed?

INGRAM: Yes.

SANCHEZ: Oh, my goodness. All right, I'm going to stop you. I'm going to bring you back on the other side.

Here it is. It's controversial. It's graphic. Let's watch.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bring an ambulance! Bring an ambulance! Stay still. I can't -- I can't open the door. Just -- I'll bring an ambulance.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: She's got her seat belt on.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Two people in the vehicle there.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mommy, daddy. Wake up. Mommy, daddy, wake up.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I want mommy and daddy to wake up.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Look at me, all right? What's your friend's name in the back?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're going to be OK. (END VIDEO CLIP)

SANCHEZ: That's amazing. Peter Watkins-Hughes is the film director who created this.

And we just talked to Amy Ingram. She's still with us, as well.

Let me share with you what folks are saying here on our own twitter board. "Wow, the Brits really don't like texting and driving, huh? I don't think many others will after seeing this PSA."

Look at this one after that -- "Wow, I got the chills with that commercial, but it's right and needs to be shown. Chills, chills, chills."

"Shock tactics are a good idea. The PSA is graphic and may stop a few, but most are used to seeing graphic scenes in video, et cetera, and lit not have any effect."

Three out of four people are saying that is a very effective PSA. Ours PSAs are much milder, Peter, in this country. What kind of reaction are you getting so far over there?

PETER WATKINS-HUGHES, PSA FILMMAKER: It's been extraordinary, Rick.

I mean, I'll tell you the truth about the clip itself. It's only posted on the internet. We posted it just to show a friend of mine, for one person. And last week on Sunday we find it was being picked up by global hackers. And from last Sunday to today, we've had 1.5 million hits, 1.5 million views of the film, and the comments have been unbelievable.

So many people...

SANCHEZ: I'm wondering, Amy, let me just bring you into this conversation. Did you think this would be as graphic as it is?

INGRAM: No, I didn't think it'd be as graphic as it is, but I believe that nothing is ever too graphic when it comes to saving people's lives. And this is what this ad is doing. It is going to save people's lives.

SANCHEZ: Is this as big a problem over there, the texting issue? I know we've done several reports here, but how big a problem is it in England?

INGRAM: It is a big problem. I mean, I've been driving two year, and until -- it took this film to actually make me put my mobile phone down.

SANCHEZ: Guys, stay where you are. We're going to continue this conversation. But let me go to my colleagues now in Washington in "THE SITUATION ROOM."