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California Wildfires Rage on in Los Angeles County; Kidnap Suspect Investigation Grows; Profits From Bailout Payback

Aired August 31, 2009 - 12:00   ET

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TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: Let's begin this hour north of Los Angeles. A massive wildfire has doubled in size in the last 24 hours, and it is spreading at will in every direction. The station fire is the largest of seven major wildfires burning across California today.

CNN's Rob Marciano is in northern Los Angeles County. And Rob, I've got to tell you, we're talking about this station fire growing at the rate that it has over the last 24 hours. This is a real beast.

ROB MARCIANO, AMS METEOROLOGIST: It is. And the -- last night, fire officials are saying today that they were taken by surprise at how fast -- how quickly it grew. They said last night, the fire behaved as if it were the middle of the day during triple-digit heat. So, that gives you an idea of the complexity that these guys are up against. And then to add insult to injury, and worse so, yesterday this fire turned deadly and they lost two of their own.

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MARCIANO (voice-over): The grim news came late last night.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please, prayers for that family of our two brothers that we lost.

MARTIN: Two firefighters killed when their vehicle rolled down a mountainside, part of a treacherous battlefield in these hills north of L.A., where the easiest approach is often from the sky. Helicopters and planes attacking what seems to be an endless wall of fire.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm afraid.

MARCIANO: On the ground, more than 10,000 homes sitting in the fire's path.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You know, all we can do is hope for the best.

MARCIANO: Police blocking off neighborhoods and ordering thousands of people to evacuate, a warning the governor urged them to take seriously.

GOV. ARNOLD SCHWARZENEGGER (R), CALIFORNIA: This is a huge and is a very dangerous fire.

MARCIANO: Not everyone listened. Some like this man stayed behind armed only with a garden hose. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm trying my best.

MARCIANO: But most grabbed what they could and left the fire fighting to the professionals.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Left them the shovels and our hoses.

MARCIANO: But nearly 3,000 firefighters in the fight taking mostly defensive positions digging in and letting the fire come to them.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The weather, the fuels and the topography are dictating our firefighting actions.

MARCIANO: Their biggest problem this time not wind, but unrelenting heat and too much fuel. The are hasn't seen a major fire in 60 years and is loaded with dense brush. Up north, wind becoming a very serious threat. Eerie pictures from the town of Auburn near Sacramento, where a number of homes and buildings burned to the ground.

That fast-moving fire eating up 500 acres in just a few hours. And back near L.A., neighbors can only gather on corners and wait hoping to avoid the same fate.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There are still fires here. And like I said, we've got a fire coming down the canyon behind us here, too. So we're pretty much surrounded.

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MARCIANO: And the fire remains on the move this morning, as we mentioned, doubling in size overnight. Now, upwards of 85,000 acres burning and still only five percent containment.

A number of people refusing to leave their homes. About half, as a matter of fact. We've got about 10,000 mandatory evacuations up and down the canyon.

The problem is, is that there's no real strong wind to drive it in one direction. We're on the southern flank which stretches all the way to Pasadena. On the northern flank, the town of Acton is threatened by this thing when the winds turn southerly during the day.

Let's bring in meteorologist Chad Myers, and my colleague in the CNN Severe Weather Center.

Chad, this has been unusual. One of the fire commanders told me -- he said he's never seen a fire spread this rapidly in a non-Santa Ana event. The Santa Anas are not causing this. They're not blowing. It's just that extreme heat.

What are you seeing from your angle?

CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Well, I'm kind of concerned about what they are going to do next. At some point in time, fires can actually generate some of their own wind as these fires run up the hillside. They can suck all of this oxygen back in.

If this thing doubled, Rob -- if this thing doubled without wind, are they saying they would like a little bit to help push the smoke away so they can get more air support? Where are they going now? What are they going to do?

MARCIANO: There is a sense of, you know, we've met uncharted waters here, because last night the fire behaved like it was the middle of the day. This thing spread like it was a Santa Ana event.

You're dealing with brush that's been built up over decades. It's been about 60 years since we've seen a major fire hit here. And then two weeks of triple-digit heat.

So, there's a bit of a fear of the unknown. They're just trying to do their best.

The good news is, though, is that they are only two or three days into this. So, these guys are not overworked, they are not tired yet. And they're not giving up by any stretch of the imagination.

You've got some experienced guys in here. They pulled the fire commander out of retirement to lead the charge here. So, there's a lot of experience here, and they are going to use their imagination to try to do something.

A bit of good news, that Mount Wilson Observatory, they won't give the all clear, but they said that this morning, it looked a little bit more optimistic that they might be able to save all those valuable structures out there, including the communications hub and the observatory. That's not a guarantee, but it looks a little bit better. Everywhere else, the fire continues to spread.

So, they're just going at it from all angles -- Chad.

MYERS: We can see the smoke behind you. And I don't know how far away that hillside is, but the visibility is not that good.

Are they issuing warnings for, you know, health advisories for people just to get out because of the smoke?

MARCIANO: Definitely. Air quality is poor. And because the winds are so light, it's just settling over top of us.

So, even if you're not near the fire, you've got the smoke. If you are near the fire -- we've had ash fall all day long.

In the city of Los Angeles, which you can see the smoke, but you can also taste the smoke. So, this is affecting millions of people regardless of how close you are to the fire. This smoke has inundated the area, and it's that lack of wind that is a mixed blessing of sorts. It's not fanning the flames, but it's kind of getting in the way and making it a little bit more unpredictable.

MYERS: Absolutely, Rob. Great job out there. Really great work. Look at these wind speeds -- 3, 4, 5. That's not enough to get this wind out of the way. And I really am concerned that now you have the elderly, now you have people with asthma, and now you have them breathing all of this air. This is just not going to be a good scene unless they can get a handle on the fire. And five percent containment, let me tell you, five percent containment is nothing.

HARRIS: That's next to nothing. And that's a good point about the air quality and the elderly.

Chad, appreciate it.

And our thanks to Rob as well.

Let's do this -- let's check out some of the images we are getting from some of our CNN iReporters. These photographs are from iReporter Trisha Maas.

She says flames are staying in the wilderness areas for now and away from her home. She gives credit to the L.A. County Fire Department, air team and ground support. Trisha says the firefighters' efforts have left her thankful, amazed and somewhat speechless.

We totally understand, Trisha.

Look at this scary sight from iReporter Maria Sager's back door. She says this mushroom-shaped smoke cloud looks like it could have been made by a nuclear bomb.

And you can send us -- and please do, but keep your distance. Be safe here, of course. Send us your images to iReports. You can do that 24/7, really. Just log on to ireport.com and follow the instructions. But, again, be safe.

You do help us tell the story with your images.

Expanding the investigation. Authorities try to determine if the suspect in an 18-year-old kidnapping saga is linked to other unsolved cases, including several murders.

Live now to CNN's Ed Lavandera. He's in Antioch, California.

And Ed, you were -- first of all, let's get to this bit of information. You're learning more about Jaycee Dugard and her two daughters.

What can you share?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: What we know is that their location is being kept a tight secret over the weekend, but they have been meeting with relatives over the weekend, and part of that includes spending time -- we've been told that they've been in a hotel in this area, but that they've also been moved around a couple of times, that they are surrounded by law enforcement and also a team of psychologists to help the family out through this very difficult process. But they have been moved around to keep them out of the public eye because of the high intensity and everyone so interested in what is going on with Jaycee Dugard.

But we also understand, according to her stepfather, that she's been expressing guilt over bonding and having a tight relationship with the man, Phillip Garrido, who had held her captive for 18 years. And, of course, you can imagine part of what psychologists are telling this family is that that is typical of other victims that have been in this situation, and that that is something that she's going to have to work through, but that it is not an uncommon thing to see happen during a period of long separation like this.

HARRIS: One more quick one, Ed. What can you tell us about the printing business Garrido ran and what Jaycee's involvement in that business was? What can you tell us?

LAVANDERA: Well, you know, this has really been fascinating to learn over the weekend. We've talked to several people here in the Antioch area who had done business with Phillip Garrido out of this home back here.

He essentially ran a printing business, making business cards for various businesses around this area. And many of those people that did business with Garrido said that they dealt directly oftentimes with Jaycee Dugard. They knew her by the name of Alissa. That was the way Phillip Garrido had introduced her, as his daughter, and that she had done this work.

Many people describe her as an intelligent young woman who was very attentive to detail. In fact, one person told us that they had asked to stop dealing with Garrido directly because they thought Dugard did a much better job on the work that he was requesting from them. So, it wasn't like they were just kept in the back of this back yard and never seen or talked to anybody. They seemed to have been very open in terms of how they were dealing with people on a daily basis.

HARRIS: Boy.

CNN's Ed Lavandera for us.

Ed, appreciate it. Thank you.

Understanding the emotional trauma Jaycee Dugard must have experienced, in our next half hour we will explore the 18-year relationship between the accused captor and victim, and we will hear from the FBI agent who oversaw the initial search for Jaycee back in 1991.

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HARRIS: Big banks paying back billions of dollars of bailout money? And so far, taxpayers like you and me seem to be making a profit on the payback?

I don't know if that's true. Someone is pulling a fast one on me. That can't be the case.

Christine Romans of our CNN Money team, live from New York with details.

Christine, this was all a bad dream, all of the bailouts of -- you know what? What happened with Lehman about a year ago now, we just all have snapped out of it. It never really happened. We didn't spend all of those billions to bail out the financial sector, and there's no way that this could be true, that we're actually making a profit.

Come on.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Oh, it's still a bad dream. I'm sorry. It is still a bad dream. All those terrible things still happened.

We still had to shell out hundreds and billions of dollars to prop up the banking sector. Oh, make no mistake about it. And, in fact, we are still seeing banks fail, and we could be potentially on the hook for some of those losses down the road, too. So, before we get too far...

But let's just say this -- about $70 billion has been repaid to the Treasury from the big banks. We've been reporting that to you before. But also, some -- look at that, $70 billion full repayment, $87 million in partial repayments. Dividends and interest, about $6.67 billion.

These companies paid about $2.81 billion in warrants, or to get their warrant to pay off so they wouldn't have to give -- you know, redeem their warrants, I guess is how would you say it. And overall, $79 billion paid back to the Treasury.

There's about $128 billion of that big TARP money, the bank bailout -- $128 billion of it never even went out the door. They didn't even have to use all of it. So, you are seeing some interest in some of these things.

Chrysler Financial, also paid back in full, I think, $1.5 billion. And when you look at some of the banks, Goldman Sachs in interest, $1.4 billion; Morgan Stanley, American Express, Northern Trust, BB&T, a whole bunch of different banks have paid back in full what they got from the government, along with interest and dividends.

So, hey, that's not bad, I guess. But some of the banks like, oh, maybe Citigroup, Bank of America, yes -- no, they've still got huge investments from the government. And AIG, we have an incredibly huge investment there. So, even though there's optimism about some of this payback, Tony, we still have a lot of taxpayer at risk out there.

HARRIS: Oh, I just have fun.

ROMANS: You want the interest though. You're like, come on, we want that interest.

HARRIS: I need my money back.

All right, Christine. Appreciate it. Thank you.

ROMANS: Bye.

HARRIS: A key Democrat in the health care debate says it's time for the Senate to start acting like senators again. The battle ahead as Congress returns to Washington.

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HARRIS: Almost two decades after little Jaycee Dugard was snatched from her bus stop, she and her young daughters spent their first weekend with her mother.

For more on this disturbing case, I am joined from Sacramento by Dennis Joyce, the former FBI agent who oversaw the initial search for Jaycee back in 1991. And he joins me live.

Dennis, I appreciate your time.

Let me first ask you, was Phillip Garrido ever on your radar in 1991 as you investigated the case?

DENNIS JOYCE, OVERSAW INITIAL SEARCH FOR DUGARD: No, the name was completely unfamiliar to me.

HARRIS: Who were you looking for in terms of suspects? Carl Probyn, the stepfather, was he a suspect?

JOYCE: Well, we had to eliminate, in a case like this, the parents and close family members. And Carl has got to feel very good today because of the accuracy of the composite which he helped us draw. I was really shocked when I saw Mrs. Garrido and her picture today, alongside the composite of the female who grabbed Jaycee.

HARRIS: Wow. To what extent was a sex offender registry even available when you were investigating this case?

JOYCE: Well, that's amazing. Today we have Megan's Law, and everyone is familiar with anybody in their neighborhood.

At that time, there was nothing that we had. And Mr. Garrido, his prior sexual offense was against a 25-year-old female. So that wouldn't have, you know, really triggered him among the other rapists that were out there on parole or probation.

HARRIS: Dennis, how did you -- give us some insight. How did you investigate this case? What was the course of action, methodology, back in 1991 for investigating a case like this?

JOYCE: Well, it's the massive application of manpower working with the media to generate as many leads as you can, because, you know, a case like this that would be solved with someone seeing a gray car, possibly with a little girl struggling 35 miles away, going down Highway 50 or up in Tahoe City. And that's what you are hoping for, is to jog someone's memory that happened to be at the right place at the right time.

HARRIS: Boy, we're talking about a good outcome from the standpoint that she was found and she is alive. But how often over the years have you second-guessed your work, the work of others in trying to solve this case?

JOYCE: Well, my biggest concern was -- well, my first emotion was elation when I found out that she was found alive. I had heard on the radio that there was going to be a press conference with news on the case, and my first thought was that perhaps they found a body or someone had confessed.

HARRIS: Wow. Are you hearing any details of the case that confirmed the path you were on so many years ago? Did you ever think you were close to finding her?

JOYCE: I had no clue. The thought that went through my mind, now that we have a solution, was, was there something that we missed that many years ago?

HARRIS: What did the mom, Terry, say to you about Jaycee? Just sort of trying to move the clock forward and backwards at the same time. What kind of information did Terry provide to you about her young daughter? What kind of a profile of the young victim were you working with?

JOYCE: Well, she was just a happy, beautiful, young 11-year-old that went to school. And, you know, every day went to the same bus stop. I mean, she was just -- I think my thought at the time was that, probably, her attractiveness made her more susceptible to become a victim.

HARRIS: Yes. You hinted that a moment ago.

Your feelings, again, at the news that she had been found alive?

JOYCE: I just -- you know, one of the things about police work is making everything happen -- during my career in the FBI, which was 24 years, some of my biggest cases were the result of different agencies working together. And my hat went off to the Berkeley police, to the Concord police, and to the parole officer who put all of this together. It was outstanding work.

HARRIS: Dennis Joyce is the former FBI agent who handled this case back in 1991.

Dennis, thanks for your time. Thanks for your reflections.

JOYCE: Thank you very much.

HARRIS: Oh, no, my pleasure.

And tonight, Phillip Garrido's previous victim speaks out on "LARRY KING LIVE." What she has to say about the man who attacked her and is accused of kidnapping 11-year-old Jaycee Dugard 18 years ago. Plus, Jaycee's stepfather on how she's doing now. "LARRY KING LIVE," CNN tonight at 9:00 Eastern.

Stories in the news now.

The first family's beach vacation is over. The president and his family returned to the White House yesterday after a week on Martha's Vineyard. On Saturday, the president gave the eulogy at the funeral of Senator Edward Kennedy.

British Prime Minister Gordon Brown is again denying the release of the Lockerbie bomber was an exchange for an oil deal with Libya. Abdelbaset Ali Mohmet al-Megrahi, who is dying of cancer, was sent back to Libya earlier this month.

And Christian Broadcasting Network founder Pat Robertson is recovering at home from recent heart surgery. CBN says the 79-year- old host of "The 700 Club" was treated for a heart condition that can cause rapid or irregular heartbeat and weakness.

We will get another check of our top stories in about 20 minutes.

Lawmakers hear more voices and views today in the make-or-break debate over health care reform. Town hall meetings are planned in Washington State, California, Wisconsin, Iowa -- where's the map? There we go -- Illinois, New York and Virginia. Work on health care reform picks up when Congress goes into session next week.

During the break, lawmakers have heard strong opinions on the issue during sometimes volatile town hall meetings.

Ali Velshi and the CNN Express are on the road again to hear your concerns about health care, jobs, your finances, other issues. Ali is headed to Minneapolis. He makes a stop today in Evansville, Indiana, where Whirlpool is closing its refrigerator factory and cutting jobs.

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HARRIS: OK. Want to get you to CNNMoney.com. If you want the latest financial news and analysis, our money team is always doing a terrific job there. Again, CNNMoney.com.

Let's quickly -- three hours into the trading day now. It's been a down trading day for stocks, that's for sure.

Let's get you to the New York Stock Exchange.

We had profit-taking on Friday. It's carried over into the weekend, into Monday as well.

As you can see, the Dow is down 86 points and the Nasdaq -- where is my note her? -- is down 23 points.

Three hours into the trading day, we are following the numbers with Susan Lisovicz all day for you, right here in the CNN NEWSROOM.

Got to tell you, it is the most popular story today. We have been following the twist of details of Jaycee Dugard abduction 18 years ago. Now we're learning that, on top of everything else, her captor, Phillip Garrido, made her work for him.

Nicole Lapin is back with us now, and she is following that part of the story. And she joins us from the newsroom.

Good to see you, Nicole.

NICOLE LAPIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Good to see you, Tony.

Garrido ran this printing press, we've been reporting, called Printing for Less. It catered to small businesses. It ran out of his home in Antioch.

Now, Dugard did a lot of work for him, living out of a shed, this shed in the back. She made business cards. She talked to customers. She even had them come to this house and have them pick up their work.

Here's one of the customers, Tony, that she dealt with. And he only knew her as "Alissa."

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BEN DAUGHDRILL, CONDUCTED BUSINESS WITH VICTIM: Very professional, very nice. You know, she spoke well, came across as just a genuine, nice person. Didn't see anything that was weird, or like she was looking over her shoulder or nothing. Just, she seemed a normal person.

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LAPIN: Now, Tony, she would correspond via e-mail. This is a typical one. She would write in all lower case letters. Really short sentences. Sometimes a typo or two. The Yahoo! account was Garrido but Allissa would always respond, making customers like the one we just saw, get the sense that she was really the one doing the work. And I have to say that every bit of correspondence was strictly business. She never reached out. She had access, as we saw, to a phone and to a computer.

HARRIS: Wow, that's amazing.

LAPIN: Yes. And, you know, Tony, we're also watching a lot of local newspapers as well. I've got to show you a good piece from "The Contra Costa Times," kind of echoing the same type of thing we just saw. A recycling company that they worked with said that a lot of their receipts, a lot of their envelopes would come with children's designs on them. She talks to "The Contra Costa Times," saying that at first it seemed kind of sweet, but then it got just really weird.

And then "The Los Angeles Times" has a really interesting tidbit about the zip code, 94509. It is the home to more than 100 registered sex offenders. A higher concentration than a lot of other areas. "The Times" goes on to say that it's an easy place to hide. Housing is cheap there. Sheriff's cruisers rarely appear and residents don't snoop. So that's why registered sex offenders have found refuge, as we have see, in Garrido's case there.

HARRIS: All right, Nicole, appreciate it. Thank you.

LAPIN: You're welcome.

HARRIS: You know, therapists are helping Jaycee Dugard and her daughters get through this difficult time as they reunited with their family and try to come to terms with all that has happened to them. Joining me to help us understand what's next for this family is Dr. Judy Kuryanski, a clinical psychologist in New York.

Dr. Judy, thanks for your time.

DR. JUDY KURYANSKI, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Oh, you're very welcome.

HARRIS: Got a bunch of questions for you. Let's work through as many of these questions and issues as we can.

KURYANSKI: Sure.

HARRIS: You know, you hear from the authorities that Jaycee Dugard helped manage Phillip Garrido's printing business and, by all accounts, the girls, nor their mother, showed signs that their lives were in turmoil. Psychologists, like yourself, say that is not unusual. Explain, please.

KURYANSKI: Because, Tony, there was a normal -- abnormal in our view -- but normal in her view, life going on. She had a family. Dysfunctional as it may be, we could think it was horrific. He was, in fact, a schizophrenic and probably had organic brain syndrome. He was messianic (ph). But to her he was not only a father when she was 11, but then a quasi husband.

So she had a family. She was living a business-partner life. They had toys, by the way. There were, in the house, the Barbie dolls, the makeup, the cartoon sheets. These things made her feel like she belonged.

And this is why it's very traumatic that she is now being thrust into a new life. People think this is politically right and we're glad she's alive, but this is double trauma for her because she's being ripped from what was her life -- as the business partner and the wife and the mother and everything. Now she went shopping with the other wife, with Nancy. And they went out. They had gone to different places. They went to even fun things to do, and so that was her life and that's why.

Besides this, Tony, I know I'm really fired up about a lot of this, but he had transitioned a bit. When Larry King's going to talk about a previous kind of a victim, that woman underwent the bad man. This woman, Jaycee, now called Alissa, with a new identity, saw some parts of him that were nurturing and caring, even as psychotic as he was, the kids thought he was God. She ended up then seeing how he was transitioning with his manifesto. He was stopping masturbating. He was ending up having intercourse with his wife and giving up his violent sex fantasy.

HARRIS: I don't even know where to go from, from there, Dr. Judy. But I want to know, there are a lot of people who are watching us who have young children and a family. What do we do? What does a guy like the accused here, the alleged kidnapper, perpetrator of all of this, got to say that, Phillip Garrido, what does he say? What does he feed someone like this particular victim? Give us something that helps us as parents protect our kids to the extent we can?

KURYANSKI: OK. Well, in the beginning, he feeds them the horror. The rape. And that's what happens with her. Obviously she has two children illegitimately. So first, as always with pedophiles, it's, I'm going to kill you or your kill your parents, and so they're terrified. Then comes some of the nurturing. That's part of the Stockholm Syndrome that I believe happens, even though there have been people who protest that.

HARRIS: Exactly.

KURYANSKI: And so that becomes the good father and the bad father. And so the child gets very confused. And you end up developing this bond, which we've heard, this emotional attachment that gets very, very strong because the child is confused. This happens, by the way, when there are psychotic parents, that the kids love the parent, even though the parent may be massively alcoholic or abusive because it's also the source of this tiny kernel of love and attention which they get.

And the young kids, by the way, Tony, I'm very concerned about them because they have this glassy-eyedness. They might have been on drugs. The LSD feeds it. I'll tell you, when you say about parents, Tony, what's really important here is that the father Garrido, noticed that something was wrong with his son. Had he a motorcycle accident and he was taking LSD. This creates brain damage, as well on top of his psychotic disorder. He should have been on Thenothiazines (ph). He should have been on medication. He should have been hospitalized and none of this would have happened.

HARRIS: Let's move -- what is -- you mentioned this other world that Jaycee is now entering free of -- free of Garrido, Nancy Garrido. What's her life now? What is she doing now as she is being asked to transition again here?

KURYANSKI: Her life is hell. It was hell before to a certain extent but it calmed down. Now who are these people, she's thinking. And she's supposed to be politically correct by feeling guilty that this was so horrible. It is horrible in our view. But what she needs is for people to understand that she had this kind of life we were just talking about and these were not always monsters to her. This was her families. These new people are strangers. She had stranger -- kidnapping, but these are strangers. She needs slow adjustment and also deprogramming because I believe that this . . .

HARRIS: Deprogramming?

KURYANSKI: Yes, because this was a cult she was involved in. He was like Charles Manson character.

HARRIS: Someone has to -- a cult -- did you just use the word cult?

KURYANSKI: Yes, I did. I used that.

HARRIS: Did someone have to tell her that what happened to her in the Garrido house was wrong? She says, -- or the word that we're getting is that she's dealing with the guilt of having bonded with these two.

KURYANSKI: We can't call her guilty for having bonded. I just explained why she would be bonded. It makes perfect sense (INAUDIBLE). It's not fair.

HARRIS: This is what -- this is not my words. Not my words. What we're getting from the step-father. He's describing what she is suggesting to him, that she feels some guilt over having bonded.

KURYANSKI: Of course, the stepfather is feeling guilt. He's been through hell himself, the fact that he was accused of doing this himself and now he's free. But that is not fair for her. This cult had so much to do with the psychosis of a Charles Manson kind of an environment she was in, the new so-called family, the drugs that were around, the messianic message, the manifesto that you could read on the blog that made no sense, that was all thought disorder. These are the things that she lived with and now she has to be deprogrammed, in my view.

HARRIS: Maybe another conversation on how on earth you do that.

Dr. Judy, appreciate it. Thanks for your time. Thank you.

Tonight, Phillip Garrido's previous victim speaks out on "Larry King Live." What she has to say about the man who attacked her and is accused of kidnapping 11-year-old Jaycee Dugard 18 years ago. Plus, Jaycee's step-father on how she is doing now. "Larry King Live" CNN tonight at 9:00 Eastern.

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HARRIS: So let's get you caught up on our top stories right now.

A fast moving wildfire north of Los Angeles has doubled in size overnight and is now threatening 10,000 homes. Mandatory evacuations are in effect for those homeowners. The fire has burned 134 square miles. Two firefighters were killed yesterday when their vehicle went over an embankment.

An arrest in Brunswick, Georgia, in connection with a family found massacred in a mobile home. Guy Heinze Jr. reported finding the bodies of seven family members Saturday. Two others were found injured and one of them has since died. Police won't say if Heinze is a suspect, but will say there are others they want to talk to.

(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) CHIEF MATTHEW DOERING, GLYNN COUNTY, GEORGIA, POLICE: There is somebody at least a individual that we would like to know about that's not at the scene. Whether they directly were involved with the assaults or not, it would be a fair assumption at this point to say that there is somebody out there we're looking for.

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HARRIS: And three Texas fishermen may be feeling lucky to be alive after spending eight days adrift in the Gulf of Mexico on the top of their capsized catamaran. Curtis Hall, James Phillips and Tressel Hawkins were found Saturday, a day after the Coast Guard called off the search.

The Obama administration's Making Homes Affordable program is meant to be a lifeline for those struggling with mortgage debt, but some people trying to sign up for it say they're getting the runaround. CNN national political correspondent Jessica Yellin investigates.

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JESSICA YELLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Mark and Angela Kollar think they still have one shot left at holding on to their home.

MARK KOLLAR, HOMEOWNER: You and I will be discussing Making Home Affordable plan.

YELLIN: The president unveiled the Making Home Affordable program in March to rescue 4 million Americans drowning in mortgage debt. A CNN investigation found the program is not always living up to its promise.

ANGELA KOLLAR, HOMEOWNER: I don't wish this on anybody and I know we're not the only ones.

YELLIN: Here's how it's supposed to work. In return for taking all those bailout billions, the banks agreed to give a little back. Qualifying homeowners would see their mortgages slashed to 31 percent of their monthly income. But that's not what the bank offered the Kollars.

M. KOLLAR: You're holding my feet to the -- who is the supervisor there today?

YELLIN: The couple makes $3,000 a month. So their new Making Home Affordable loan should be 31 percent of that. About $1,000 a month. The offer they got, $2,892. About 98 percent of their income.

M KOLLAR: Now I feel like, you know, we've been -- what's the proper word? Screwed?

YELLIN: They are not alone.

YELLIN (on camera): Speaking to housing counselors, consumer advocates, and homeowners, we found endless complaints of banks rejecting apparently eligible homeowners or pressuring them into loans they can't afford. But, by far, the most common complaint is that lenders keep giving homeowners the run around, dropping calls, losing paperwork, all while the foreclosure clock keeps ticking.

YELLIN (voice-over): The mortgage industry's top lobbyist says these are the growing pains of a massive program. Lenders are still hiring staff to handle all the applications. And he believes most complaints are from people who aren't eligible for the plan. Overall he says it's a success.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This is a program where the interest of the homeowner and the interest of the lender are aligned because everybody wants to avoid that foreclosure and keep that loans on the books and the borrowers in the homes.

YELLIN (on camera): And how well is the program working?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The program is working very well.

YELLIN (voice-over): But even Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, who oversees the program, has demanded lenders do better. The latest numbers, 230,000, fewer than 6 percent of eligible homeowners, have new loans through the program. And some banks with the biggest bailout have the lowest participation rates.

ANGIE MORESCHI, CONSUMERWARNINGNETWORK.COM: It comes down to money. And it does not appear to be in the bank's financial interests in the long run to actually do these loan modifications. And that's the sad reality that we are dealing with.

YELLIN: But the banks disagree and say they're trying to make the program work. As for the Kollar's, Bank of America declined our request for an interview, but a spokesman tells us the bank based their offer on bad information from the Kollar's housing counselor. And after our inquiries, the bank reopened the Kollar's application and is temporarily offering them a reduced payment while their case is under review.

Jessica Yellin, CNN, Washington.

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HARRIS: Singer Chris Brown breaks his silence. He speaks only to our Larry King about his arrest and sentence for assaulting Rihanna.

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LARRY KING, "LARRY KING LIVE" HOST: When you hear about all the things that the police and the report say you did, how do you react to that?

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(COMMERCIAL BREAK) HARRIS: A CNN exclusive now. R&B star Chris Brown sits down first with our Larry King. The interview will air Wednesday night. Brown told Larry he has no memory of beating up then girlfriend Rihanna back in February. Brown's mother also talks to Larry.

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KING: When you hear about all the things that the police and the reports say you did, how do you react to that?

CHRIS BROWN, SINGER: I don't know. Like I'll just look at it and like, wow, I'm in shock because, first of all, that's not who I am as a person and that's not who I promise I want to be. So I just -- when I look at like the police reports or I hear about the police reports, I don't know what to think. I just don't know what to think. It's just like, wow.

KING: You remember doing it?

BROWN: No (ph).

KING: You don't remember doing it?

BROWN: I don't -- it's like -- it's crazy to me. I'm like, wow.

KING: What did he say to you, Joyce, when this happened and the first time you spoke to your son?

JOYCE HAWKINS, CHRIS BROWN'S MOTHER: He came and he actually spoke to me about what happened and I was totally shocked, totally upset about the whole situation because I know that Chris has never, ever been a violent person. Ever. And I mean through the entire time, even through high school or anything, I've never been called or . . .

KING: Never?

HAWKINS: Never.

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HARRIS: A Larry King exclusive. Chris Brown breaks his silence. The interview you won't see anywhere else. Larry King live Wednesday night at 9:00 only on CNN.

The U.S. Open tennis tournament, the final grand slam event of the season, opens today in New York. Past champions, Venus and Serena Williams, Andy Roddick and Roger Federer, the brilliant one, all in action today at Author Ash Stadium. CNN's Richard Roth has more.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The greatest of all time.

RICHARD ROTH, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): He's the man who can't seem to lose in New York City. Roger Federer is playing for a record setting six consecutive United States Open tennis titles. But now he's a father of twins.

ROTH (on camera): How do you feel coming into this U.S. Open?

ROGER FEDERER, PROFESSIONAL TENNIS PLAYER: I feel great, obviously. You know, a lot has happened also in my personal life, you know, having twin girls, Myla and Charlene are doing great. And it was our first, you know, big trip. You know, they're only five weeks old and they've already, you know, come here to America and I've have success already in Cincinnati winning there. So, obviously, I'm very eager to start at the Open in a weeks time and things are looking very good.

ROTH: What do you like best and least about playing here in New York at the U.S. Open, where you said the fans and the cab drivers love you, but there must -- there's got to be problems. It's New York.

FEDERER: Well, yes, I mean, exactly. New York's not so easy sometimes. You know, I used to have to travel just handing the whole -- the pace here in New York. You know, coming from Switzerland, things are a bit more relaxed over there. And then you come to New York and everything's just buzzing, you know. And the humidity used to be a factor for me. Playing in the wind used to be tough. But today, I mean, it's awesome.

ROTH (voice-over): Where there is Federer, there's Nadal. His Spanish super rival is recovering from an injury. Nadal had to sit and watch Federer win Wimbledon.

ROTH (on camera): Did you miss the challenge with him? Were you a little bit envious?

RAFAEL NADAL, PROFESSIONAL TENNIS PLAYER: I miss the competition, not the challenge against him.

ROTH (voice-over): Can Federer be beaten?

JOHN MCENROE: I think he's human, Federer. I'm not sure. But the way he's been playing hasn't been that way. But I would suspect after winning five in a row and breaking the record and having twins, there's got to be a tiny bit of a letdown.

ROTH: Don't tell that to Federer's fans.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Oh, he's beautiful. Did you watch him play? He skips on the court like Baryshnikov, like they say. He's like a cross between martial arts and ballet. And look at him. He's so cute.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I love watching him. He's like a god. Have you seen him play. It's mind bogging.

ROTH: Richard Roth, CNN, New York.

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HARRIS: He is brilliant.

China accuses him of being political, but the Dalai Lama insists his visit to Taiwan is about passion.

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DALAI LAMA, TIBETAN SPIRITUAL LEADER: But it is my sort of mortal responsibility, you see, to come and to see, show my face to those people who are passing through difficult of period.

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HARRIS: More of CNN's exclusive interview with the Tibetan spiritual leader ahead in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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HARRIS: Well, the Dalai Lama is disputing China's claim that he is visiting Taiwan for political reason. He says he is there as a moral principle to comfort victims from the recent typhoon. Our Sara Sidner has details, including an exclusive interview with the Tibetan spiritual leader.

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SARA SIDNER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The Dalai Lama and his fellow Buddhist monks chant and pray, perched above a village that suddenly became a mass graveyard because of Typhoon Morakot. The village of Shao Lynn (ph) and hundreds of its residents disappeared under several stories of mud after the rain-soaked ground gave way to mudslides.

DALAI LAMA, TIBETAN SPIRITUAL LEADER: As a Buddhist, there's only one thing we can do, pray for them.

SIDNER: Several mayors in souther Taiwan invited the Dalai Lama to come and pray here. His every move has been recorded by a crush of media. He prayed for the dead, but has had little time or space to meet with the survivors of the typhoon. For a mountainous village leveled by a mudslide, the Dalai Lama travels to a low-lying village that suffered severe flooding. There a small group gathered at the temple to greet him and receive his blessing.

"I am very happy to welcome him. I'm very happy the Dalai Lama gives us blessing."

But not everyone has welcomed the exiled Tibetan spiritual leader. A few Taiwanese protests said his visit sparked political fights that are taking attention away from the typhoon victims. China resolutely opposed the visit and has highlighted divisions between Taiwan politicians who want independence from Beijing and those who want to unify with mainland China.

SIDNER (on camera): Are you worried about the political implications of you coming? You knew that there were going to be some, right? LAMA: I hope the (INAUDIBLE) people should not politicize. The reality, the spiritual, on the humanitarian level. So let it be like that.

SIDNER: All over southern Taiwan you can still see the scars inflicted by the typhoon. The government is working hard to try and fix the infrastructure, the physical scars. The Dalai Lama came here to try and help heal the emotional ones. Both will take a lot of time.

Sara Sidner, CNN, southern Taiwan.

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HARRIS: And we are pushing forward now with the next hour of CNN NEWSROOM with Kara Phillips.