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KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: We're pushing forward now on an event that pushed the cold war into the history books. Makes west Berlin or east Berlin sound so dated. The one city of Berlin celebrates the moment history changed history that you could reach out with and smack a hammer or a champagne bottle, the fall of the wall. This hour two cold war era figures, Lech Walensa of Poland and Mikos Nemeth (ph) of Hungary.

Actually right now, you're looking at Hillary Clinton live speaking there. But these two (ph) toppling (ph) over the first of several sets of foam dominos along the wall's old path, symbolism galore today.

And earlier today, fifth graders at the Reagan presidential library in California did some toppling of their own, tearing down a wall replica. Plus Michael Gorbachev was in Berlin today taking part in some of the ceremonies.

And of course President Reagan was in west Berlin in 1987 with a message for the head of the Soviet Union, a message that needed no translation.


FORMER PRESIDENT RONALD REAGAN: Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall.


PHILLIPS: Just over two years later the people obliged. The Berlin wall, 12 feet high, 96 miles long, for 28 years a tangible source of fear and division and death, nearly 140 people killed trying to cross over, families divided, the symbol of the cold war pretty much became history overnight. Here's how CNN's Jim Clancy reported it that evening.


JIM CLANCY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over); After almost three decades of separation, Germans of east and west embraced in a common victory. Some came because they wanted to test whether it was true. Others embittered by years of repression came vowing they would never go back. By Friday the flow of east Germans crossing into the west became an unstoppable tide. Border agents stamped visas until it became obvious that tide of the enthusiasm that drove it couldn't be slowed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Today is my birthday. And this is my best present for this (INAUDIBLE)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Wonderful, it's wonderful.


PHILLIPS: Michael Holmes of CNN international was also there when that wall became a bridge. He's with me now with a first person account of Berlin, November 9th, 1989, weren't you like two years old?

MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: No, I'm really old. All these anniversaries are just like bringing -- I'm old, yeah. No, I was there.

PHILLIPS: What brought you there though? It's a pretty interesting story. You had no idea what was coming.

HOLMES: No. I was based in London for Australian television and I was covering Europe for a current affairs show and we had a news guy there as well and we had been in Austria covering the east Germans as they fled out through Hungary and wound up in Austria. This was in I guess August. And then over the next couple of months you just had the sense something was going to happen. What we didn't know was whether it was going to be good or bad. This is the year of Tiananmen Square, remember. So we arrived in Berlin like on the 6th of November because there had been all these protests going on and you just had a feeling something was going to happen one way or the other and so we were there when it all unfolded of course.

PHILLIPS: There you are, you young buck.

HOLMES: That's on the wall next to the Berlin gate.

PHILLIPS: Tell me what was going through your mind as you look at these pictures. You're covering it, you're on top of the wall.

HOLMES: This is the next day. (INAUDIBLE) on the right hand side. It had opened up in the wall. We went through. These are east German soldiers. We're in no-man's land at that point talking to these east German soldiers and seeing the wall from the other side which interesting story, the wall on the other side of course was stark, white and of course we're all used to the graffiti side you see there on the western side and I don't know why, but that just really struck me visually there and the (INAUDIBLE) coming through checkpoint Charlie.

PHILLIPS: Any certain individuals that you remember that --

HOLMES: Yeah. We followed a family actually that came through that night and we hooked up with them and the next day they -- we went round as they went window shopping basically. They couldn't afford to buy anything, but they went around looking at Lacoste buildings and Benetton buildings, which they did not obviously have. There's the white side of the wall by the way from the east German side. The stores -- and like a lot of east Germans, a couple things were surprising. They turned around and went home most of them. They came over, they had a look. Then they went back. One guy told me, I got to work tomorrow. We sort of expected them to come in and stay. They didn't. Most of them went back home.

PHILLIPS: What about crossing over? You went over to the other side, right?

HOLMES: I went over to the eastern side. (INAUDIBLE) an old passport, but yeah, we went over there. And one thing that struck you was the architecture was so different. It was a very dour, utilitarian architecture. That was a visual thing. I remember going into a diner there. It had no food, bits of cabbage and stuff like that. It was a cliche view of eastern Europe. And we went and did stories after that in places like Bitterfield (ph), which at that point was the most polluted place on earth, a chemical town. There were no pollution controls. They did the same thing in Romania when of course the revolutions went on. We ended up in Romania covering that as well and there was a polluted town there as well. Story after story after story.

PHILLIPS: Were you concerned about what might happen? We remember the cheering, the excitement, the joy. Were you concerned at all that it could have gotten violent?

HOLMES: Yeah, it could gone one way or the other. It really was and as I said, this was the year of Tiananmen Square in China.

PHILLIPS: We saw what happened there. HOLMES: The night that they started -- when they all came down after that infamous news conference where German official misspoke and said, yeah, I think it's open now which it wasn't and everyone just (INAUDIBLE). That's where we heard the noise and we actually went from our hotel down to checkpoint Charlie. And eventually after a couple of hours, they started coming through. Once that happened, you knew it was over and it was -- and the east German guards, they were pretty bewildered. They didn't know what to do and they certainly weren't going to start shooting people at that point.

PHILLIPS: And of course Michael brought us chunks of the wall. A lot bigger than the little chip that I have.

HOLMES: I did not take a hammer and chisel myself, but I did get them from somebody who was. That's my story anyway.

PHILLIPS: Thanks for sharing its with us.

HOLMES: Good to see you.

PHILLIPS: A pleasure. We're going to take you back to Berlin through the hour as the celebrations do continue. At the top of this hour, the first of several sets of foam dominos along the wall's old path were to be knocked over. They're meant to symbolize the domino effect that the wall's fall had on Europe and in just a few minutes the president of the European Commission and the president of the European parliament will knock over another set. Young Berliners decorated those dominos and this is pretty interesting. About 20 dominos were sent overseas to be decorated, places like Korea, that are still divided. You can also check out, share your memories of that night, post them on our cyber wall and read the memories of others. Pretty cool stuff on

Threatening weather tracking toward the U.S. Gulf coast. Tropical storm Ida, once a category two hurricane now weakening but still pretty dangerous, being the threat of flash floods, Louisiana where a state of emergency has already been declared. Florida doing the same this morning. The threat of high winds from the storm has diminished, but localized flooding in coastal and low-lying areas is very possible. Chad Myers is all over it tracking the storm's path. Where are we Chad?

CHAD MYERS, CNN METEOROLOGIST: This is what not to do, get in the water.

PHILLIPS: Why do I feel like you say that every single time this weather comes through?

MYERS: They have their wetsuits on. I guess they'll be floating.

PHILLIPS: Michael Holmes is shaking his head, he's a surfer. He knows exactly the thrill of the ride

HOLMES: You get a cyclone or a hurricane, that's the best, mate.

MYERS: That's the biggest wave they've seen there since Katrina, literally. But there you go. So they are playing in it, in Biloxi at least for a little bit longer. It's not going to be an all night or all day play I'm afraid. This is getting much closer now. It is at 70 miles per hour, coming up. I think it's probably going to drive itself very, very close to Mobile Bay, literally right into Mobile Bay. That is going to change how the forecast is. We're not going to have much of an effect all the way from Tampa to about Port St. Joe. And then if you get farther to the west of there, this is where that storm surge, the salt water flooding will be the worst, anywhere from Destin all the way to Pensacola. Our Rob Marciano is on his way to Pensacola right now and will be reporting. As soon as this gets a lot closer, I think the wave action will probably pick up pretty significantly.

Here's what we have for you here. The storm still out in the ocean, a couple of 100 miles away, about 218 miles from Pensacola. Then Kyra it makes a big right-hand turn and this turn -- it's always important obviously -- but it makes a difference on whether it's going to be a straight line and a very quick, probably eight hours from now landfall. Or does it turn and longer, longer, longer. The longer it moves and turns to the right, the farther obviously the distance has to be and the later that landfall will be Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Chad, we'll keep tracking it with you. Thanks so much.

Tomorrow, president and Mrs. Obama take part in a memorial service for the victims of the Ft. Hood shooting spree and CNN will bring that to you live. Today, the suspect said to be awake and talking though it's not clear whether he's talked to investigators. As you saw live here last hour, Ft. Hood's commander talked to reporters and vowed to take a hard look for danger signs in soldiers under stress. CNN's Samantha Hayes is at the post. Samatha.

SAMANTHA HAYES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi Kyra, Lieutenant General Robert Cone addressing reporters here a short time ago and talking about the fact -- something we haven't necessarily thought about that really hundreds of people were directly affected by the shooting last Thursday because it wasn't just military personnel. It was also civilian workers who were there at the readiness facility, families nearby. A lot of people that need to be treated and need to be assessed to see what they might need and he said that the Army wants to do everything they can to help people if they're struggling mentally with what happened, if there's any other needs that they may have.

He also talked about the fact that there may be other soldiers in the Army who have feelings like Major Hasan said. And he wants to make sure that they don't miss indications like they may have this time. Listen to what he had to say.


LT. GEN. ROBERT CONE, COMMANDING GENERAL, FORT HOOD: I think what's really important is that Hasan was a soldier. And we have other soldiers that might have some of the same stress and indicators that he has and we have to look across our entire formation, not just in a medical community, but really look hard to our right and left. And that's the responsibility of everybody from the top to the bottom to make sure we're taking care of our own.


HAYES: Cone did not talk about the investigation, but some interesting information to share. Major Hasan, who's being treated at a hospital in San Antonio Kyra apparently is now conscious. His ventilator has been removed. We understand from a public relations person there that he has been speaking or has had some kind of communication with hospital staff but they couldn't tell us whether he has talked to investigators or not.

Behind me you can see the set-up for the memorial service tomorrow. Those security containers that you see behind me, the generals have not only for security but also for privacy. So you can expect it to be a traditional memorial service that willl be comfortable for soldiers and their families. Back to you.

PHILLIPS: Samantha, thanks.

Spewing hatred in the streets and just as loudly online, radical Muslims want a revolution. And today, they called the Ft. Hood shooting suspect a hero. CNN's Drew Griffin talked to some of these guys and you won't believe what they told him. He's with us this hour.

The House did it. Can the Senate do it, pass a health care overhaul bill? The House narrowly approved its version over the weekend. But the marathon debate before the vote was heated on both sides of the aisle. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

REP. EDWARD MARKEY (D), MASSACHUSETTS: You know, the GOP used to stand for grand old party. Now it stands for grandstand, oppose and pretend. They grandstand with phony claims about nonexistent death panels. They oppose any real reform and with this substitute, they pretend to offer a solution while really doing nothing.

REP. JACK KINGSTON (R), GEORGIA: If your kitchen sink is leaking, you fix the sink. You don't take a wrecking ball to the entire kitchen. This bill is a wrecking ball to the entire economy.

JOHN SHADEGG (R) ARIZONA: But most of all, Matty says, don't tax me to pay for health care that you guys want. If you want health care, pay for it yourselves because it's not fair to pass your health care bills on to me and my grandchildren. Thank you Matty.

PETE STARK (D), CALIFORNIA: I encourage each of my colleagues to join me in voting yes and I can assure you these guys aren't going to have to pay for it in the future.


PHILLIPS: The House vote of course was a huge victory for President Obama. Now the battle shifts to the Senate. Joing us with her take on what happens next and when a Senate vote might happen, our senior political analysts Gloria Borger. I just have to laugh at the drama. The babies, the kids, are we going to see the same thing in the Senate?

GLORIA BORGER, SR. POLITICAL ANALYST: Welcome to the House of Representatives. You're going to see a very strong debate in the Senate. It's going to be, in fact, less limited than the one in the House because you really -- anybody can offer an amendment who wants to offer an amendment on the floor. So this is going to take weeks and weeks, Kyra. But what struck me about what we just saw, what you're going to see in the Senate is -- I've never seen a debate where the parties are both all in on this one. The Republicans are all in on opposing it, save one vote in the House. And the Democrats in the end have a large, large stake in health care reform because the question is whether they can govern as a political party. So the stakes are really high for both of these parties.

PHILLIPS: OK, so the big differences between the House bill, the Senate bill, do you think -- Brianna's been laying those out for us, Brianna Keilor from the Hill. Are we going to be able to get something ironed out? It seems like what we've been dealing with it for months and months and months.

BORGER: Right. We really don't know. Obviously as Brianna pointed out earlier in the show, the public option is a big question. It's right now in Harry Reid's version of health care reform, but it's a little different from the House version. There are lots of Senate Democrats who say, including Joe Lieberman, very important, an independent, saying, I won't vote for it if it's got a public option. So either it will have a public option or the threat of a public option. And then of course as always Kyra in every political debate, when it comes to something this large, the question is, how do you pay for it? What kinds of taxes do you raise? Do you tax millionaires or do you tax so-called Cadillac health care insurance plans? There are very, very different ideas on the table in the House and Senate. So this debate has really, really just begun over there.

PHILLIPS: We'll see how many grandchildren show up on the Senate floor. Gloria, thanks.

BORGER: Probably not on the Senate floor.

PHILLIPS: A little stricter. Thank you, Gloria.

The Berlin Wall, Auf wiedersehen, and good riddance. The city divided for so long celebrates the night that changed everything.


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Twenty years ago tonight, Berlin made history by breaking history. An iron-fisted and cold grip that lasted 28 years, gone overnight. The city is in celebration mode right now, also mourning the nearly 140 people who were killed trying to breach the Berlin Wall. Some symbolic domino toppling this hour as well, and later, a fireworks show.

What do you remember about that night?


UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was very dramatic. It was -- we saw people tearing down the wall, taking pieces home for souvenirs. People were crying, celebrating. It was just a magnificent occasion. It was a watershed moment in history, I think.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I remember the bodies falling over the -- the people jumping over the wall and families embracing, who hadn't seen each other in quite a few years.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE (through translator): It changed absolutely everything. Two peoples that were separated by a brick wall were able to start living together as they wished, something that seemed untenable.


PHILLIPS: Well, our Jim Clancy of CNN International remembers that night very well, too. He's in Berlin now.

Take us back. This must be a bittersweet moment for you, Jim.

JIM CLANCY, CNN INT'L. ANCHOR: This was the historic moment, Kyra.

Good nabin (ph) from Berlin. Twenty years ago tonight, history turned. It turned for all of us, whether we realize it or not, everyone's life today, there's something about it that's different because of this night in Berlin.

As I talked to people today that had come out in their hundreds, and thousands, and tens of thousands, here in Berlin, each of them shared different memories where they were, what they saw. But I remember 20 years ago, and when we went back in the archives, as we were looking over things here, I discovered an interview that I had done with then U.S. ambassador to Germany Vernon Walters, a pen-ultimate diplomat. Now, the late ambassador gave me this interview. I'm going to share a bit of it with you. What he was telling the Germans, one day after the wall came down, take a listen, Kyra.


VERNON WALTERS, FMR. U.S. AMBASSADOR TO GERMANY: As I was saying yesterday, to the Germans, this is not only a great day for the Germans it is a great day for their friends, too. We're to remember how we got here. We got here because we were strong. We got here because we were determined, and we got here because we defended the free choice of people to choose their own destiny.


CLANCY: Vernon Walters there, 20 years ago. What he told me in the interview was, first of all, he saw men -- more than he's ever seen in his life with tears in their eyes on the Glienicke Bridge, the famous bridge that was used for so many spy handovers.

At the same time he said, remember just two years before, that would have been 1987, Ronald Reagan at Reykjavik. Mikhail Gorbachev wanted him to give up the Star Wars program, Reagan refused. As a result, the Soviets discovered they couldn't keep up economically with that. They had to find another way.

Vernon Walters pointed to the crowds of thousands of people out on the streets of Berlin that day. And he looked at me, and he said, this is that other way. And this is the history that was made 20 years ago, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: What a great assignment for you to be on today. Jim Clancy, thanks so much.

You can also check out and share your memories of that night. Post them on our cyber wall and read the memories of others. Pretty cool stuff on

The Berlin Wall, now history, but the iron fist of Communist rule alive and kicking just 90 miles from the U.S. Just Yoani Sanchez (ph), a Cuban blogger who has gained international fame for her scathing attacks on life under Castro's regime. She says that she and a colleague were forced into a car Friday and beaten by security agents.


YOANI SANCHEZ, CUBAN BLOGGER (through translator): They threw me in the backseat of the car upside down, she said. Then a very front man placed his knee on my chest and I couldn't breathe. The man in the front seat was hitting me in the back and pulling my hair. He said, Yoani, this is it. In that moment, I thought I was going to die. In a moment of desperation, I yelled, kill me, if you're going to kill me, just do it.


PHILLIPS: CNN has not been able to confirm her claim. And so far, no word from the government. But we did check her blog. There it is. It's still up and she's still writing.

Checking top stories now, the three American hikers held in Iran, now facing espionage charges. They were seized on the border with Iraq in July and charged with illegally entering the country. Their families say they were hiking and accidentally strayed across. The White House is calling on Tehran to release them quickly.

The Supreme Court refused to block the execution of D.C. sniper John Allen Muhammad. The high court issued its decision without comment. Muhammad's execution expected to go ahead tomorrow in a Virginia prison. His accomplice in the three-week shooting rampage seven years ago is serving life behind bars.

The investigation into the bodies found at a Cleveland home expanding overseas. Investigators trying to find out if suspect Anthony Sowell is linked to killings in Japan where he was stationed as a Marine. They're also checking leads in California, and the Carolinas, where he was also stationed. The remains of 11 people have been found at the registered sex offender's home.

Could you be storing a pedophile stash and not even know it? Scary but true. These scum bags are getting even savvier and using viruses to infect strangers' computers with kiddie porn. Are you next?


PHILLIPS: Time line in Orlando, Florida, about a minute, a witness says that's how long the shooting rampage lasted at that office building on Friday. One person killed, five others hurt.

This is the accused gunman, Jason Rodriguez, now charged with first- degree murder with more charges to come. He actually used to work at a firm inside that building. His lawyer says that Rodriguez is mentally ill and has a slew of personal and financial problems.

Let's take you live to Berlin right now. As you know, we've been marking the 20th anniversary of when that wall came crashing down. And now what you are going to see, those are foam dominoes that actually line up where that wall once stood. Not sure how far down it goes. You know that wall was 96 miles. But apparently they are going to be tipped over along the old path there from where that -- there's a better shot where you can see that the foam dominos actually painted by artists from all around the world.

One interesting little tid bit, a south Korean artist came and painted one of them as well, interesting symbolism talking about the divide still between north and south Korea. But they're going to be -- actually that the walls fall that will hopefully take place in the next couple of seconds or so. Or if it does, then they will go ahead and take it when it does. As you know, when the Berlin wall fell, it had its on domino effect on the iron curtain and the cold war and the fall of communism. Once they started tip, we'll bring it back to you live.

All right. Imagine a knock on your door and it's the cops on a kiddie porn raid. Hey, no problem. They've got to have the wrong house right? Will you cooperate fully, you log them on to your computer and then, boom, there it is. A sick secret stash that you have never seen before. Believe it or not, it's happened and innocent people have been arrested, their lives ruined, and it's all thanks to pedophile hackers. Security software maker, F- secure Corp. says at any given time, some 20 million computers are infected with viruses that could give criminals remote control over the web.

Joining us via Skype to talk about all of this, Cyber Security Expert Parry Aftab. And you know, Parry. We actually saw the story today around a certain case. Reached out to that individual to talk to us, he hung up on us basically saying this whole entire situation has ruined his life. Therefore, we want to do something here for our viewers, Parry, so they can understand that it can happen to any of us. So, maybe if you could just line out how common it is for a virus to actually download child porn into our computers.

PARRY AFTAB, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, CYBERANGELS: Well, thanks for asking. There are a lot of viruses out there. And let's call them malware, in this case. Because, they're all different kind of things and viruses are just one of them. And many of them can do terrible things to your computer. They can steal your financial information, and in some cases far fewer that are claimed by criminal defendants, it can download content to your computer that you don't want, such as pornography or child pornography. In this case, from what I understand, this gentleman who had been charged with possession of child pornography and they decided not to pursue the ...

PHILLIPS: Parry, stay with me, Parry. Quickly, live picture actually was like it froze on us. What a bummer. Let's see if it comes back. So, there we go, we can see it from a wider shot. Those are the foam dominos that are lining up where 20 years ago that great wall there -- the wall, I should say, dividing eastern and western were not a great wall at all but came tumbling down. But those dominos painted by artists all across the country with their various thoughts and feelings about that time 20 years ago, symbolizing, of course, that old path from 20 years ago that was knocked down. The walls' fall had its own domino effect, as you know, the end of a communist, the coming down of the Berlin wall and also the cold war. Let's go ahead and listen in a little bit.

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That wall of dominos that coming down almost as fast as the Berlin wall came down 20 years ago. We're going to continue to monitor all the live events happening there in Berlin 20 years ago tonight. You know, Berlin made history, a breaking history. So many of us covered that event, even brought in pieces of that Berlin wall. We've been telling our stories and remembering what it was like to be a journalist at that time. Imagine being someone living in Berlin and watching that happen, something that they waited for 28 years. It definitely changed not only the lives of the people there in Berlin but all across the world. And we're going to follow what you just heard from the narrator there, a wall that created a lot of hate. And when it came down, freedom rang out across this world. We'll going to take a quick break. We'll be right back.


PHILLIPS: Just before we broke away to Berlin as we are throughout the day today remembering 20-years ago since the fall of the Berlin wall, we were talking with Parry Aftab, Cyber Security Expert, also a lawyer, about these pedophile hackers. And believe it or not, at any given time, some 20 million computers are infected with these viruses. Parry, that could give criminals remote control over the web. Bottom line, we saw this story today about this man who got a knock on the door by the cops saying, hey, we're here to arrest you. We need to see your computer. He's like, what are you talking about? And sure enough, they logged into his computer, there's all this kiddie porn.

So, you know, explain to me how this works. And how is -- is it just impossible for investigators to look at a computer and figure out quickly, OK, this is a virus that a pedophile has manipulated so any innocent person can be caught with this, so they are not caught, versus a human download of child porn?

AFTAB: Well, there are two different kinds of malware, one that is designed to ruin your computer and the other that's designed to ruin your life, by having someone take over your computer using a Trojan horse. Something gives them a back door to your computer. Now, most criminal defendants when they're charged with child pornography on the internet claim that a virus did it. So many of us are pretty skeptical when we hear it because we know most viruses aren't designed for this. But if there's someone who doesn't like you, your ex, your former employee, your former boss, a neighbor you've been fighting with, and they can find a way to infect you with a Trojan horse, they can do anything they wanted to your computer. They can have you log into these sites, they can use your credit card information to use them, and they can load these programs and images onto your computer.

PHILLIPS: So, what can we do to protect ourselves from this?

AFTAB: Well, prevention is all that we need to think about. So, what you need to do is get a good anti-virus program, McAfee has one. There is Norton, Trend, Panda, a lot of good one out there that have full security. Get one. They're worth the money. Download it. Make sure that you update it on a regular basis, you set it for an auto update. And at the end of the year when you think you can get away without upgrading it and renewing your license, make sure you do so that you have all the new protection you need. It will do a lot of this.

In addition, you need to practice some good computer hygiene. That means, you don't let other people use your computer, you don't let people load things on to it. Don't borrow flash drives and other types of media. Be careful about the sites you go to. McAfee has something called site adviser. That's totally free. You go to, you can download it. And when you search on Google or Bing or Yahoo. Any sites you search for will come up as red, yellow or green. If it's green, you know, it's free of spyware and things like Trojan horses. But never put anything on your computer that you haven't checked out with your anti-virus first.

PHILLIPS: Well, the story that sort of triggered our attention, why we wanted to talk about this is this gentleman, Michael Fayola (ph) in Massachusetts, that I know you're familiar with his case. This happened to him and it devastated his entire life and he's having a hard time finding an attorney to actually sue the state of Massachusetts. Why is that?

AFTAB: Well, I understand he's looking to sue the state for having brought charges. But I don't think he's going to find any lawyer to do that, even if he's willing to pay them. Because if you are found with lots of images of child pornography on your computer, the initial response is, there's probable cause that you put it there. And unless you can disprove that, all they have to do is prove that it's there, it was downloaded to your computer, you're going to have to prove why somebody else put it there or something else put it there.

And as I told you, we're seeing this as a defense that's brought up in every single case. It's like when you're speeding, you blame it on your odometer, it doesn't help you a lot there. And in most cases, it doesn't help you here. I thinks, what he needs to do is try to get his life back on track, trying to make sure that he restores credibility in who he is and getting past the, sure, they didn't charge him, they dropped the case, but how do we know he's really innocent in this issue, and less about suing the state and suing other people. My guess is he's had enough involvement with the courts so far.

PHILLIPS: That's amazing, all these issues that have been raised with regard to our computers and hackers and viruses. And it just becomes more and more complex as time rolls on. We try to keep up with it. Parry Aftab, appreciate it. Thanks for your time.

AFTAB: Thanks. So, you can come to us at wired and follow us at wired moms on twitter. We'll get to the information you need. PHILLIPS: Or we'll bring you live to our viewers, both of those. Thanks, Parry. All right. We'll check our other top stories after a quick break.


KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Top stories now -- the suspected gunman in Thursday's rampage at the Fort Hood army base is reportedly conscious now and talking. But it's unclear whether investigators are interrogating 39-year-old Major Nidal Malik Hasan.

Witnesses say that Hasan yelled "Allah Akbar" before killing 13 people.

As tropical storm Ida draws closer to the U.S. gulf coast, Florida, Mississippi and Alabama join Louisiana in preemptively declaring states of emergency. What was once a category one hurricane now expected to be mostly a flooding threat. The front of the storm is expected to arrive overnight.

Traffic was halted again on the Oakland-San Francisco Bay Bridge after a big rig truck actually went off the side. California troopers say the driver lost control and died on impact. That bridge had just reopened last week after falling steel parts forced a shutdown for several days.

So you're riding the bus and arrive at the stop, but the driver won't let you off until you pray. Yes, this really happened. We're going to tell you about it.


PHILLIPS: Team Sanchez, what are you working on back there?

RICK SANCHEZ, CNN ANCHOR: I've been thinking about this for a long time. It's to the point now where every time I look at legislation in Congress, I just want to know where the money is coming from. So that's what I'm going to do in a little while.

I mean, like this health care legislation that just passed over the weekend in Congress -- who got money from the health care industry? Who got the most money, do you think? Was it the folks who voted against it or was it the folks who voted for it?

If you're thinking in terms of, well, just ask yourself this -- which industry -- what did the industry want that was paying the money to these guys? And usually you get the answer to your question. But I want to break it down.

And now this reform is going to the Senate, right? So you ask yourself, how much are they giving these senators? If they gave Congress this much, how much are they giving the senators who they want to make sure votes against this health care industry bill because it's going to hurt them?

I've got the numbers. I got the numbers from the Congress, I got the numbers from the Senate, and I'm going to share them with you in just a little bit. This is cool.

PHILLIPS: All right, sounds good. Thanks, Rick.

SANCHEZ: All right.

PHILLIPS: So you hop a bus across town, you pay your fare, and you think you're good to go. But not passengers on an Atlanta city bus. They had to give a little extra to get off at their stop. They say that their driver demanded a fare and a prayer.


CHRISTOPHER JAMES, BUS PASSENGER: The bus driver just got out of his seat and told everybody to hold prayer. And we held player for three to four minutes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you feel like you were forced to pray?

JAMES: Yes. If I didn't, was he going to open the door? Because he was out of his seat. He didn't look like he was going for any controls to me.


PHILLIPS: Well, bless. But that bus driver has been suspended.

So why didn't we think of this? Firefighters in Melbourne, Australia, are demanding extra pay for showing up sober. Contract renegotiation time, so what the heck? And the Melbourne lads say they want the same deal that airline pilots get. And they want extra pay for global warming, too.

The Melbourne fire and emergency services board says it's mystified by the firefighters' claims. Those claims probably sound better after a few brews.

"Hello, this is your captain speaking. It's time for my nap." OK, you might not be hearing that on your next flight, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.


PHILLIPS: Back in February, a Continental commuter plane plummeted to the ground in Buffalo, actually killing all 49 people on board and the one person on the ground.

The investigation determined that pilot fatigue played a role in that crash, and after that accident we started hearing a lot more about the extreme hours that some pilots work and how tired they get.

So now the question becomes, should the FAA allow pilots to rest midflight so they're more alert for landing? Senior correspondent Allan Chernoff has more.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: NASA studied the idea of pilot naps here at its Silicon Valley research center 20 years ago and found naps to be effective and safe in reducing pilot fatigue.

CURT GRAEBER, FORMER NASA SCIENTIST: The FAA paid for that research and we have shown very clearly that a nap really improved performance and alertness of the flight crews.

CHERNOFF: Now an airline industry advisory committee has told the Federal Aviation Administration "We recommend that the FAA endorse controlled cockpit napping."

MELISSA MALLIS, FLIGHT RESEARCH ASSOCIATES: Power napping, which we often refer to it as, can help increase physiological alertness and sleepiness (ph). And so it is a strategy that can be used to help mitigate and manage fatigue during any 24/7 environment.

CHERNOFF: Foreign carriers, including British Airways and Air Canada, for years have permitted naps on longer flights, allowing one pilot to rest in the cockpit while the other pilot mans the controls. Aviation scientists say that helps ensure both pilots are fresh for their biggest challenge, approach and landing.

GRAEBER: We want crews to be well-rested and alert on the approach and landing. The idea of a controlled rest in the flight deck helps that happen. It's a safeguard.

CHERNOFF: But some pilots fear their managers could force them to work even harder if naps were permitted.

JAMES RAY, CAPTAIN, U.S. AIRWAYS: I believe that airline management would certainly push pilots if napping were allowed in the cockpit. They would tell pilots, I don't care if you're fatigued or not, just go ahead and jump in the cockpit and go fly. And now you can take a nap, so you'll be line.

CHERNOFF: In fact, the airline advisory committee is recommending the FAA allow pilots to fly more consecutive time during day time to increase the current eight hour limit. In return, airlines would reduce the hours pilots have to be on duty so they can get a good night's sleep.

The National Transportation Safety Board says pilot fatigue has caused numerous accidents and mishaps. For 19 years, fatigue has been on the safety board's list of most wanted list of urgent safety issues that need to be addressed.

DEBORAH HERSMAN, NTSB CHAIRWOMAN: It is beyond overdue. It is needed right now. We can't wait another year.

CHERNOFF (on camera): Indeed, FAA regulations on pilot flight and duty time are decades old and do not consider the scientific studies on napping that were done 20 years ago.

FAA's new administrator, Randy Babbitt, a former pilot, has put the issue of pilot fatigue on the fast track. He and his staff are evaluating the advisory committee recommendations. He says he plans to issue new proposed rules by the end of the year.


PHILLIPS: We'll see you back here tomorrow. Rick Sanchez picks it up now.