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Mexican President Calderon Calls Arizona Immigration Law 'Discriminatory'; Detained Hikers Reunite with Their Moms in Iran

Aired May 20, 2010 - 09:59   ET

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Hello again. I'm Fredericka Whitfield. A look at your top stories right. An emotional reunion in Iran today as three detained American hikers hug their mothers. An attorney for the hikers said the mothers hoped to meet Iranian leaders and ask for their children's freedom. The three had been accused of spying. Their families say they simply strayed into Iran by mistake.

South Korea accuses the North of firing a torpedo that sank one of its war ships. The North is denying the charge. The ship sank after an explosion off North Korea back in March. The South Koreans today showed torpedo parts taken from the site which they say matched North Korean weapons.

Tens of thousands of protesters marching to parliament in Athens, Greece today; they're rallying in support of a union-called "strike against the country's austerity measure," 1,700 police patrolled the route. 36 people were detained, but there was no violence.

And stocks are down this morning, down sharply, in fact. Let's get a check on the markets with Stephanie Elam in New York. Down 189 points and now 190 points; what does this all mean?

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, Fred, if you take a look at that graphic next to it right there, you can pretty much see it. It just kind of has that blood bath effects going on there. Although we are off of our lows of the morning so far right now, but really this has to do with fears that are coming out of Europe.

You saw it there in Athens. You saw the protests there and we know that they're working to work with the debt in these European countries but that fear is still pervasive here and part of the reason why is because of the fact that the euro has now fallen against the dollar. That's a great thing if you're looking to go on vacation and you're an American. However, it's not so great for American businesses because it makes our products more expensive to Europeans and if they're going to this issue o they're not cutting back and not spending that could affect the fragile recovery that's going on here.

So that's what we're seeing playing into the markets. The Dow off close to two percent rid now. The Nasdaq off 2 1/3 percent and the S&P 500 off a little more than two percent at this moment, Fred. So we'll keep our eyes on it.

WHITFIELD: All right. Stephanie, we'll check back in with you. Thank you.

All right. Later this morning, Mexico's president is scheduled on Capitol Hill and his message to a joint meeting of Congress is likely to touch off more controversy. Just yesterday Felipe Calderon seized on both his White House appearance, the arrival as well as the greeting to rail against the new immigration law in Arizona. He calls the crackdown discriminatory.

Let's get the latest now from CNN White House correspondent Dan Lothian. What's the expectation about what will be said?

DAN LOTHIAN, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, a lot riding on what he will say in that meeting, by the way, expected to take place in about an hour up on Capitol Hill. He will touch on those issues, which we focused on so much yesterday. Border security, the violence from the drug trafficking.

We've been talking about how last year, about 6,500 people killed in Mexico because of this drug violence. Obviously, the big issue is immigration and what to do about immigration reform. You touched on how he was quite vocal about this issue yesterday not only during the welcoming ceremonies and also when he was speaking to reporters how he feels that the Mexicans need to be recognized for what they contribute to this country and not treated like, "criminals."

When he sat down for an interview with Wolf Blitzer on the "Situation Room" yesterday, he talked about not only that issue, but also about the controversial Arizona law.

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PRES. FELIPE CALDERON, MEXICO: On the other hand, in particular in Arizona, there is some racial profiling criteria in order to enforce the law that it's against any human rights and of course, it's provoking very disappointing things or very disappointing opinions in Mexico and around the world and even in America.

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LOTHIAN: He went on to say that this issue needs to be dealt with in a comprehensive way. Of course, that's easier said than done. President Obama talked about some of the challenges that he's facing. He believes that getting comprehensive immigration reform will be much easier if he can get, not only democrats, but certainly Republicans onboard.

He believes he can get the majority of Democrats to support this. But says he needs some help in order to get it done. Fredricka?

WHITFIELD: And so, you know, I wonder, Dan, what about the two presidents coming together on a solution or an avenue to take as it pertains to the drug cartels. While we look at the two whether during the greeting or even the state dinner, it seems like they're in unison. They're in a lot of agreement, but at the same time we're dealing with, you know, two different worlds here trying to come together to tackle a colossal, giant problem. LOTHIAN: Right. A colossal problem is right on point here. I mean, both sides really do realize how big an issue this is and how dealing with it and resolving it won't happen overnight. On the one hand, the administration really does believe that they can make some significant gains here on this issue. They believe that Calderon is the right partner. He's been going after these drug cartels and perhaps not so much of the bigger names that some people would want the president to really go after, but he has been making some gains, at least according to administration officials in going after these cartels.

President Obama has talked about the U.S. wanting to help in any way it can, providing technology assistance and any kind of equipment and also Mr. Obama said that he would be asking not only homeland security, but other agencies to try to cut down the flow of weapons going from the U.S. into Mexico. Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: All right. Dan Lothian, thanks so much, from the White House. Appreciate that.

LOTHIAN: OK.

WHITFIELD: All right. Just a reminder, we'll have live coverage of President Calderon's address to the joint meeting of Congress and that's scheduled for the next hour at 11:00 a.m. Eastern, 8:00 Pacific.

All right. Meantime, President Calderon and his wife were the guests of honor at the White House state dinner last night. They were joined by some familiar faces there in addition to power brokers and dignitaries and some celebrities of course were there. Whoopie Goldberg walking in. Eva Longoria and comedian George Lopez also among the guests.

It was the administration's second state dinner and unlike the first, no hint that there were any uninvited guests.

All right. Just earlier in the day yesterday before that beautiful state dinner, the first lady, both of them actually, Mexico and the U.S. went to a Washington area school for an event focusing on health choices and getting in some exercises as well, but an unscripted moment shifted the focus both quickly and quite dramatically to immigration laws. Just listen to this second grader and the question that she asked the first lady.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: She says that, um, Barack Obama's taking everybody away and that doesn't have papers.

MICHELLE OBAMA, U.S. FIRST LADY: Yes, well that's something that we have to work on, right? To make sure that people can be here with the right kind of papers, right? That's exactly right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: But my mom doesn't have papers. MICHELLE OBAMA: Yes. Well, we have to work on that. We have to fix that and that everybody's got to work together in Congress to make sure that that happens. That's right.

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WHITFIELD: So now we want to answer a question that many of you have. Immigration officials say they will not swoop in to deport the girl's mom if she is, in fact, in the country illegally. The school also says it will not identify the student and by law, it is not allowed to ask questions about a family's immigration status.

All right. Arizona could turn off power to Los Angeles in response to the immigration law boycott taking place from that city. L.A.'s city council banned doing business with Arizona companies, but they excluded electricity. Arizona's utilities commissioner now says he's ready to pull the plug if L.A. doesn't reconsider. Los Angeles gets about 25 percent of their electricity from Arizona.

And the mothers of three American hikers detained in Iran got to see them today for the first time in months. Pictures of the emotional reunion were in Iranian television and the hikers have been detained since last July and accused of spying.

CNN reporters are not being allowed into Iran at this time, but our Ivan Watson who has been covering Iranian stories for quite some time is following this story from Istanbul. So this was an emotional reunion that took place. The mothers have, you know, I guess they went there hoping that they would be able to take their children back, but what kind of timeline are they being given?

IVAN WATSON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, they just arrived Wednesday night, Fredricka, in Tehran after applying nearly six months ago for Iranian visas, visas that the Iranian government is not giving to journalists like myself. The three detained hikers, the Americans, Sarah Shourd, Shane Bauer, and Josh Fattal.

They were brought out of Iran's notorious Evan Prison to an upscale hotel, state-run hotel, north of Tehran where they were allowed to meet with their mothers and this was filmed by Iranian state TV and they were later put in front of a press conference where journalists were allowed to talk to the three detained Americans for the first time, really, since they were captured nearly 10 months ago while hiking along the Iraqi-Iranian border.

And we heard from Sarah Shourd who says that for most of the day she spends the time in solitary confinement. Take a listen to what she had to say, Fredricka.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We see each other twice a day. We exercise a lot, read a lot, study. At least these last few months we've been able to do that and have more materials, just trying to be active as much as possible. SARAH SHOURD, AMERICAN HIKER DETAINED IN IRAN: The hour a day that I have with Shane and Josh I try to make the most of it. You know, we sing together and tell each other stories about our lives and we know everything about each other. We try to give each other a lot of support in the little time we have together. The rest of the time I exercise and read and do whatever there is to do.

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WATSON: Now, the mothers, of course, expressing gratitude to the Iranian government for letting them finally see their children. Listen to this.

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CINDY HICKEY, MOTHER OF HIKER DETAINED IN IRAN: I'm very grateful to the Islamic Republic of Iran and the authorities for granting us our visa. We know that this is a great humanitarian act that they've given to us. Our reception was wonderful when we came into Iran.

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WATSON: Fredricka, the mothers are asking the Iranian government to extend this humanitarian gesture to allow them to release their three children. Fredricka?

WHITFIELD: And so I wonder, Ivan, is anything being said about a potential prisoner swap since we know that Iran or Tehran has in the past released some prisoners in exchange for another country's release or exchange of prisoners.

WATSON: In fact, President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad of Iran, he suggested that in an interview with the "Boston Globe" earlier this month. He said "perhaps a good gesture would be to exchange, to swap these people and he claimed that there are seven Iranian nationals currently in U.S. custody that he says were arrested in third countries and extradited to the U.S..

The U.S. has not acknowledged the detention of these individuals. Right now, you have a cold war being fought effectively between Washington and Tehran. These three hikers are not the first foreigners to be picked up like this and accused of espionage.

Just last week the Iranians released a 24-year-old French graduate student, who is detained months ago in Iran, accused of spying and just a few days later, the French government released an Iranian convicted of assassinating an Iranian dissident on French territory years ago. The French government insists that was not an exchange, but probably they're going to be looking for some of these alleged Iranians in U.S. custody to be handed over, Fredricka?

WHITFIELD: Ivan Watson, thanks so much coming to us from Istanbul. Thank you very much.

All right. Measuring the oil combusher in this country now. A BP executive is trying to explain the amount saying it's like a soda can.

REYNOLDS WOLF, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Unbelievable. Something else that's unbelievable, the 25 tornados that hit parts of the central plains yesterday. Today we have another round of severe weather possible and we're going to talk about that coming up in just a few moments right here on CNN.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Oil from the Gulf of Mexico spill could soon be headed up the East Coast. Scientists say the gushing oil is now in a loop current in the gulf, but those same scientists also say that natural evaporation and chemical dispersants should minimize the impact. So BP is hoping to have the broken pipe stopped by early next week.

Right now, there is a tube siphoning off some of the oil, but there is still thousands of gallons spewing out. CNN's Anderson Cooper spoke with a BP executive asking him about the discrepancies in the amount of oil escaping.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST: Have you actually measured the plume?

BOB DUDLEY, BP MANAGING DIRECTOR: Anderson, this is - it is a similar to taking a soda can, shaking it up and popping it off. There is a tremendous amount of gas and this crude oil so measuring that is difficult and we have a whole set of activities that are going on underneath the sea. The estimate itself appears to be a reasonable estimate. It's not exact. That's what we see at the surface.

I think figures of 70,000 barrels and I even heard a figure today of 100,000 barrels today which is very alarmist and in reality we're containing it at the surface that we're producing about 3,000 barrels a day in the surface and there's been a noticeable reduction in that plume.

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WHITFIELD: All right. It's been a month now. Let's look at the lapse of time and how it all began. April 20th, the explosion took place in the Deep Water Horizon, that oil rig, 11 people were killed and then just nine days later, 33 miles of floating booms were deployed to try to contain that spill and then on May 2nd, President Obama looked first hand to see about this disaster. He met with the officials there as well as the fishermen to get an idea of the impact of the industries that were impacted by this oil spill and then on May 4th as well, edges of that massive oil slick were starting to reach the Louisiana barrier islands.

And then on May 8th, hydrate crystals were forming inside that container that they were hoping would stop the spill. It didn't, it still continued to gush and then on May 12th, BP started bringing in a second dome known as a top hat hoping that that would help deplete some of the oil that was starting to escape from that leak. And then, just a few days ago, last weekend the tube was inserted to siphon some of the oil and pump to the surface for a continued burn off. And we understand now this weekend, now we're talking a month after the spill actually began. And they're hoping the effort, they're calling a cap kill method, just might begin this weekend. They'd be inserting large amounts of heavy mud to try to stop some of this oil from continuing to seep out of that leak. We'll keep you posted throughout the weekend as well.

All right. Meantime, an ominous sight over Hennessy, Oklahoma now. This twister touched down briefly in an open area of the town. It was one of more than a dozen reported across the state yesterday. Homes and businesses were destroyed. Trees and power lines were also ripped down. At least two people were hurt including a truck driver whose semi was blown over on an interstate.

All right. Reynolds Wolf is in the severe weather center. So that was yesterday and still Oklahoma kind of in the bull's eye again today, right?

Well, it looks like much of the focus is going to move a bit farther to the southeast. So it looks like Oklahoma should get a little bit of a break today. In fact, here's Oklahoma and you see again on radar. Some of the heavier precipitations indicated by the yellows and the reds on radar and all drifting now through parts of the Texarkana, just northeast of Dallas and over near places like Memphis.

Memphis, you've had some scattered showers this morning but if you look toward the west, heavier precipitation is on the way. So certainly keep that in mind. Now the reason why we're seeing all this, pretty simple to see here on the weather map. You got this area of low pressure and there was the big troublemaker yesterday and today as it pulls eastward. It's going to interact with moisture form the Gulf of Mexico and that will combine with daytime heating and the contrast of air mass right along the stationary front that lingers to parts o the southeast, just north of the Gulf Coast and that's where you may have some rough weather today.

If you have any travel plans, either on road or via aircraft, it might have some delays to deal especially in places like Memphis and Little Rock and perhaps even into parts of Dallas as you make your way into the afternoon hours. Now, in terms of your temperatures as we wrap thing up. It should be fairly comfortable, Atlanta 85 degrees, 88 New Orleans, 64 in Kansas City and 58 in San Francisco.

I know we've been talking so much about The oil, one thing to mention very quickly, and all your beaches, despite the oil slick along the Gulf Coast remain open at this time. So keep that in mind, any travel plans you have for the holidays, don't break them just yet. Things are looking pretty good. That's the latest, we'll have more coming up.

WHITFIELD: All right. Thanks so much. Reynolds Wolf, we appreciate that. Much more in the NEWSROOM right after this.

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WHITFIELD: A look at our top stories right now.

A tearful reunion in Iran. The mothers of three American hikers detained in Tehran met with their children today. Their families say the three accidentally strayed across an unmarked border into Iran last July. The Americans have not been charged, but Tehran has said they will face trial on espionage charges.

Smoldering buildings and mostly quiet streets. That's the scene in Bangkok Thailand, one day after troops finally stopped days of anti-government protests. The government has put in place a nighttime curfew until Sunday, hoping to keep the peace. At least 50 people have been killed in the clashes.

And the Pakistani government blocked access to Youtube today saying it contained sacrilegious content. Yesterday access to Facebook was banned because of a page that encouraged its users to post images of Islam's prophet Mohammed. That's considered blasphemous under Islam. Thousands of students rallied for the ban.

All right. So your child made it through college, finally got that got, ready for the job market. Well, too bad the job market is not quite ready for the grads.

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JAY LENO, "THE TONIGHT SHOW" HOST: Thousands of bees swarmed the White House Sunday morning, causing a huge stir. President Obama and I say this guy doesn't miss a beat. He is smart. Because all these bees were worker bees, he's now counting them as 10,000 new jobs he's created.

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WHITFIELD: OK. No question, it is a tough time for anyone looking for a job right now. We see more evidence of that today. New claims for unemployment benefits jumped. Analysts didn't see it coming, either. CNNMoney's Poppy Harlow joins us now from New York.

So Poppy, this comes just as the class of 2010 gets ready to join the workforce. Terrible timing.

POPPY HARLOW, CNNMONEY.COM: Terrible. Terrible timing. It was bad last year and it's bad this year. I mean, look, red, the outlook is getting a little better for these new college grads, but this week here all around us in New York and across the country you have hundreds of thousands of kids graduating from college and a lot of them do not have job offers because not only are they competing against their peers. They're competing against millions of unemployed Americans. We spoke to one. Take a listen.

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HARLOW (voice-over): 22-year-old Cara Hessels is gunning for a career in media in the Big Apple.

CARA HESSELS, GRADUATING FROM MANHATTAN COLLEGE: This is what I've been working for four years now, so I want this job more than anything.

HARLOW: Graduation is less than a week away, but instead of focusing on the cap and gown, it's all about landing the job. Today is Cara's 10th job interview, this one at a major fashion magazine and 40 minutes later it's over.

HESSELS: They did tell me that they think I'm great. So I don't know what that means for my chances, but at least I know that they liked me.

HARLOW: But being liked doesn't mean getting hired.

MARILYN MACKES, EXEC. DIR., NAT'L ASSN. OF COLLEGES AND EMPLOYERS: At this time, roughly about a quarter of the graduates have offers in hand. Compared in 2007, a much better job market when 50 percent of the seniors had jobs in hand.

HARLOW (on camera): The outlook is getting better, though, companies are expected to hire 5.3 percent more new college grads this year than last, but still, unemployment for 20 to 24-year-olds is around 17 percent. That's more than double what it was in 2007 and far higher than the national average.

HESSELS: The majority of my friends are in the same boat as me. Those that do have jobs are very few and far between. I have just leased this new apartment, so I need to figure out a way to be able to pay for it within a month.

HARLOW (voice-over): And adding to the stress this year's graduating class is not only competing with their peers, they're also competing with '09 grads still searching for work. So what's a grad to do?

MACKES: It is still incredibly competitive. It will require them doing a lot of research to find out who's got the jobs, where are they and how do they make the connections that they can to reach those jobs?

HARLOW: Cara says she's doing all that and more, and even with a college degree she may take a nanny job this summer just to pay the rent.

HESSELS: Those of my friends that have graduated just say, like, welcome to unemployment. This is how it is. You know, nobody ever thought that they would actually be graduating without a job. It was definitely something we joked about but now it's a reality and it's scary.

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HARLOW: That is a scary reality. Welcome to unemployment especially when you incur all that debt from college, Fred. So what are kids doing? We talked to Cara and she's supposed to hear from that magazine she applied to by 2:00 tomorrow. But a lot of college kids she applied tomorrow. And it puts them even more in debt. You look at 2007. I know, in 2007, you had 20 percent of graduates going to grad school. Now it's 27 percent, so almost a quarter of them piling on the debt and they can't get work.

WHITFIELD: Oh, my goodness. That is depressing and hopefully they will eventually land the job that they -

HARLOW: Eventually things will get better and that's the one thing we do know.

WHITFIELD: OK. All right. Poppy Harlow. Thanks so much. Appreciate that.

HARLOW: You got it.

WHITFIELD: You've heard of this, depression after child birth. But this time it's not the mom who is facing depression. We're focusing on a little-known condition in men and how it can be treated.

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WHITFIELD: Postpardum depression. It's a troubling condition that impacts as many as 20 percent of new mothers. Even celebrities like Brooke Shields, Gwyneth Paltrow, Courtney Cox-Arquette and Marie Osmond have all shared their personal stories of depression after giving birth.

But you may not have heard this. Paternal, postnatal depression. Yes, even dads get depressed about becoming a parent. In fact, a new study released in the Journal of the American Medical Association says about 10 percent of men suffer from this. One out of ten.

Our next guest, Joel Schwartzberg was one of them. He's here to talk about his struggle and his recovery. Thanks so much for joining us, Joel. We are also joined by Dr. Will Courtenay. He is an expert in men's psychology and well-being. Good to see you as well, Doctor.

OK, so Dr. Courtenay, let me begin with you. Explain, first of all, what is this and we said one out of ten men get it, but do they know they have it?

DR. WILL COURTENAY, PSYCHOLOGIST: No, and actually, as a society we're rather blind to men's postpartum depression and men's depression in general. There's a cultural myth that men don't get depressed. And so oftentimes we don't recognize it, and men don't recognize it. In fact, they often try to hide their depression, which only worsens it.

What that study showed is that actually one in four new dads become depressed in that three- to six-month period after their child is born.

WHITFIELD: Wow!

COURTENAY: And that amounts to -- WHITIFIELD: That's a big number.

COURTENAY: That amounts to 3,000 new dads each day who become newly depressed in the United States.

WHITFIELD: OK. Let me ask Joel, then. If Joel -- you actually read a book about this and other things, the 40-year-old version "Humoirs (ph) of a Divorced Dad." But I wonder -- did you know -- did you recognize the symptoms, and did you realize that "what I'm feeling here could be this paternal depression"?

JOEL SCHWARTZBERG, AUTHOR: I certainly didn't put that name to it. In fact, I didn't even call it depression. All I felt was that somehow I had a faulty fatherhood gene. I felt like I was a bad dad because I couldn't bond with my children the way I saw literally everyone doing it in my neighborhood, on television. It just made me feel guilty, and that actually exacerbated by depression and my sadness.

WHITFIELD: But Doctor, couldn't that be as simple as "you know what? I'm new to this whole thing, I'm a parent and I don't know what to do" and everyone feels a little bewildered at first.

COURTENAY: That could certainly contribute. We are expecting dads to be much more involved in parenting today than ever before, and most dads welcome that. But they are uncertain about what they are supposed to do. They don't have models for what they're supposed to do. So, that uncertainty can very quickly lead to anxiety. And anxiety postpartum can often lead to depression.

WHITFIELD: OK. So, what are the symptoms? What do you look for to recognize that this is a condition that you have and you need a little help?

COURTENAY: Well, you know, it's not so easy to spot men's depression because when we picture someone depressed, we usually think of someone who is sad and crying. But men's depression doesn't always look like depression. It can look more like irritability or anger. Working constantly, withdrawing from friends and family, drinking too much, gambling too much. These are some of the ways that men experience and cope with depression differently than women do.

WHITFIELD: So, Joel, you identify with these things? Weight gain or weight loss, withdrawing? Were any of the symptoms things that were experienced?

SCHWARTZBERG: Definitely, Fredricka. A lot of that depression turned to resentment and anger, and one of the ways I knew something was going on was I would often take my infant son out for long drives to the nearest 24-hour doughnut place, and I would hope that he wouldn't wake up while I was literally throwing doughnuts into my mouth as if they were the last delicious thing on earth. And what it was was this was one part of my former life before I was a father that meant something to me, eating and indulging myself in this way. And I think I was desperately trying to reconnect with that past life, and the more I ate, you know, it was sort of making me feel better at the time. But then I look back on it and thought what am I doing? Something is off kilter here.

WHITFIELD: Wow. So, Dr. Courtney, are there some men who are greater risk than others to go through some of the same things that Joel just experienced?

COURTENAY: Yes. We suspect that men with a history of depression, anxiety about becoming a father, men who have a rocky relationship with their partner, economic stress, and a sick or colicky baby can all be risk factors.

But any man who isn't getting enough sleep probably is a greater risk. A lack of sleep probably plays a major role in this. We know that when normal, healthy adults go without good sleep for just one month, they begin to show clinical signs of depression.

Men's hormones also change. Most people don't realize that, they change both during pregnancy and early in the postpartum period and it's a double whammy. Not only do testosterone levels drop and our estrogen levels and prolactin levels increase. And those hormonal changes, along with the neurochemical changes in our brain that can result from sleep deprivation, combine to create this perfect storm that peaks in the three- to six-month period after the child is born.

WHITFIELD: So, Joel, at what point did you recognize, I have a problem here, and I need some help, and/or what kind of help did you actually get?

SCHWARTZBERG: Honestly, Fredericka, I didn't realize that was going through a kind of depression until many years later when I began writing about it. At the time, like I said, I felt like something was wrong with me, and it was only after my children began to grow up, when they began to smile and exhibit, you know, unique personalities, and when my body got a little used to the sleep deprivation that I started to come out of it myself.

But I wish going back that there had been studies like this where people had been talking about it, or I as a father were more allowed to talk about it and I could have gotten the help I need.

WHIFIELD: So, you feel kind of empowered to talk about it, because I imagine for a lot of dads, it might be a little too embarrassing or maybe too personal. Even for a lot of women, it's too personal and too embarrassing to talk about it openly.

SCHWARTZBERG: Well, I've gotten a lot of backlash, to tell you the truth. A lot of men have written to me --

WHITFIELD: Really?

SCHWARTZBERG: -- saying, who are you? You need to man up, you need to suck it up in a way. But privately other fathers have come up to me and said "I went through what you went through and I also thought there was something wrong with me, but I feel like I'm not allowed to talk about it. Because there's this idea that men are just supposed to -- the word is "man up." Deny and bury these feelings, and that's why I got that big backlash. WHITFIELD: Wow. Dr. Courtenay, what do men do? What's your advice if you can you identify with what Joel is talking about and you're feeling this? Where do you go and how do you seek some support so people are not saying things like that to you?

COURTENAY: The most important thing is to get help. Men are much less likely than women to get help for depression. But certainly Joel talking about his experience and people recognizing that men's depression doesn't always look like women's depression is important because even trained mental health clinicians are less likely to correctly diagnose depression in men than in women.

So, it's important that this word get out and that men do anything that they can to get support during this period. I think it's really important to do everything you can to prevent depression before it occurs. So, if you have a history of depression, get a mental health provider in place along with medication, perhaps, before the child is born. If you are anxious about becoming a father, join a parenting class.

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COURTENAY: -- if you and your partner have a rocky relationship.

WHITFIELD: Sure. All right. Dr. Will Courtenay, thanks so much. Expert in men's psychology and well-being. And Joel Schshwarzberg, also author of "The 40-Year-Old Version: Humoriors of a Divorced Dad." Thank you so much for joining us. We appreciate it.

SCHWARTZBERG: Thanks so much, Fredericka.

COURTENAY: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: Of course, we want to hear from both you mothers and fathers about your experience with postpartum depression. Go to my blog, CNN.com/fredericka, and tell us your stories and experiences. We'll read some of those responses later on in the show.

All right. American cyclist Floyd Landis reportedly has admitted to taking performance-enhancing drugs for most of his career. ESPN.com and The "Wall Street Journal" are both reporting that. The Journal also says Landis is accusing Lance Armstrong of being involved in doping.

The paper says Landis sent a series of e-mails to cycling officials and sponsors. Landis was stripped of his 2006 Tour de France title after a positive test for doping. But until now, he had disputed that result. Armstrong has denied previous allegations that he used performance-enhancing drugs.

All right. Attention, summer Olympic fans. The mascots for the 2012 Olympic games are ready. Can you figure out what that is?

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WHITFIELD: Another look at our top stories right now. Greece running barebones today. Workers are on a 24-hour strike. Schools, businesses and public transportation all shut down. Unions called the strike to protest pension cutbacks and other government reforms aimed at the debt crisis. Tens of thousands of people plan to protest outside Parliament.

And Mexico's president is getting ready to deliver his message to a joint meeting of Congress. In this country, Felipe Calderon set to make his speech less than 30 minutes from now. Out getting a little jog this morning and exercise. You can watch, of course, the address coming up live right here on CNN. Just yesterday, he criticized Arizona's new immigration law and called it discriminatory.

And you might not know the name John Shepherd Baron, but you probably use his invention quite a bit. He is the father of the ATM. It was his idea and made its debut in London, by the way, back in 1967. Shepherd Baron, he died at the age of 84, but of course, his claim to fame will live on.

All right. London's mascot for the 2012 Summer Olympic games. Maybe this one will grow on you. Two creatures, let's just say, with two eyes between them named Wenlock and Mandovil after a couple of English towns. We don't know their gender and we don't know their species, just that they come from steel used to build the Olympic stadium. They look like Izzy from the '96 Atlanta Games, if you remember them -- or it. More curious than cuddly, and designed to be interactive, they say. Maybe they'll look really good on a computer or game monitor or something. But the kids seem to enjoy them at least with the high fives there.

Rough morning on Wall Street. The Dow is down more than 250 points now. We'll see what's behind that drop.

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WHITFIELD: All right. The largest increase in jobless claims in three months isn't helping the stock market already rocked by worries of the health of European economy.

Stephanie Elam in New York. We're talking about the Dow right now, down over 270 points.

STEPHANIE ELAM, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Not really a pleasant morning here today, Fred. That's for sure, when you take a look at these numbers.

Let's take a look at what's going on here. You have new claims for unemployment benefits. They jumped by 25,000 last week to 471,000. That's the first increase in claims in a month, but it wipes out all of the improvement made over the last four weeks.

There was a little sliver of good news in this report, though. Continuing claims, they declined to just over 4.6 million people. They declined, but that's still a large number, of course. And some of the declines can be attributed to people running out of the benefits or moving on to state or federal extensions. Those folks are not included in these numbers.

Now, this disappointing report follows some good news Wednesday from the Federal Reserve. The Fed lowered its forecast for unemployment, saying it expects the jobless rate to fall as low as 9.1 percent this year. Right now, the unemployment rate stands at 9.9 percent.

But the stock market doesn't like the latest job claims numbers. That's very evident. And investors are very concerned about Europe's debt problems. The major stock markets in Europe are tumbling, and the euro continues its slide against the U.S. dollar.

So, when you see how that is factoring in, you take a look at the graph, which is not the way we like it to look right now, Fred. Off 273 points, 10,171. NASDAQ is off 3 and a quarter percent, just about, and the S&P 500 is off more than 2.75 percent. So, not a good day here. We are keeping our eyes on it. We are off of session lows as far as losses are concerned right, but we have been going back and forth. We're watching it.

WHITFIELD: The day is young. Let's hope things rebound.

ELAM: It is.

WHITFIELD: Wishful thinking. All right. Stephanie Elam. Thanks so much.

All right. Students in Colorado, in the third-biggest school district, actually, will have to pay for their bus rides in the fall to school. It will cost 50 cents a ride. And students will have a card that actually track how many times they get on the bus.

Students are already in a program to receive free or reduced- price lunches won't have to pay. Special needs students will also ride for free. The school district says it will be able to save $2 million in these tough times. Parents, well, they're divided over this program.

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JAMES JOHNSON, PARENT: It seems a little expensive to me. I have four kids, so that costs me $4 a day.

DAVID DICARLO, PARENT: I pay double that, just so you know. I pay probably three times that to get my kid to school so my wife and I can get to work on time.

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WHITFIELD: Wow! And in a cost-cutting move at Minnesota school didn't quite work out. So, now the underground school building is going to be dug out of the dirt and given a normal roof and windows. The bunker-like structure was actually built 28 years ago, but extra heating and air-conditioning to circulate fresh air actually ate up all of the savings. All right. Something you don't want to see when you fly. Shattered windshields. Fires in the cockpit. The FAA orders windshield heaters inspected ASAP.

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WHITFIELD: A new report out today says a TSA technique for spotting terrorists is a failure. The report is looking at the TSA's behavioral detection program. Specially trained officers who are supposed to be able to spot terrorists based on their body language and facial expressions, well, it costs taxpayers $200 million a year.

The FAA is speeding up an order that requires airlines to inspect windshield heaters on Boeing jets. The new sense of urgency comes after a scary incident on a United flight over the weekend. CNN's Jeanne Meserve has our report.

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JEANNE MESERVE, CNN HOMELAND SECURITY CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): A passenger walks up to a cockpit of a United Airlines Boeing 757 to see for himself why his New York - Los Angeles flight made an emergency landing near Washington Sunday night. The windshield had shattered after a fire broke out in the cockpit.

PHIL LOBEL, AIRLINE PASSENGER: Flames were coming out of the cockpit door when the flight attendant first opened the door and handed the fire extinguisher off to the pilot/co-pilot. The pilot and co-pilot, you know, had smoke inside. The pilot and co-pilot had their masks on.

MESERVE: The plane landed safely. No one was hurt.

JOHN COX, SAFETY OPERATING SYSTEMS: The crew safely dealt with it. There was not a depressurization. The airplane diverted safely. Yes, there was a fire. Fires are never good. But it was not a life threatening event and in my view, it doesn't warrant grounding the airplanes.

MESERVE: The cause is under investigation. But Cox, a former airline pilot who runs an aviation safety company, estimates there have been about 20 similar incidents with Boeing aircraft caused by window heaters. In 2008, flying glass from this shattered windshield cut the first officer and smoke sickened several passengers. Boeing has recommended voluntary fixes. But the National Transportation Safety Board had urged the FAA to take stronger action and require airlines to install redesigned window heating systems.

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WHITFIELD: Jeanne Meserve joining us now from Washington. So, Jeanne could or should the FAA taken this action sooner?

MESERVE: According to John Cox, the first of these incidents happened back in the '80s, so you thought why not do something sooner? But nobody wanted to mandate a fix that wasn't effective. So, there's been a painstaking effort to gather the evidence and engineering and data that they need so when they gave instruction, they knew it would address the problem.

The FAA says it only got the data it needed within the last month. It was originally planning to schedule new instructions saying that airlines had to either replace or inspect these systems. They expected to issue that at the end of August. They're speeding it up, and they'll issue it as soon as they possibly can, Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right. Jeanne Meserve in Washington. Thanks so much.

MESERVE: You bet.

WHITFIELD: All right. One mother and blogger says you should take your kids to the neighborhood park and simply leave them. Let them play on their own. Lenore Skinasy says helicopter parents are always hovering them, preventing them from having a sense of free play. Hear from her in the next hour in the CNN NEWSROOM with Tony Harris.

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WHITFIELD: All right. So they didn't crash the state dinner last night with Mexico's president, but those notorious D.C. party crashers, the Salahis, well, they were in the neighborhood. They were in a stretch limo near the White House around 8:00 last night when their driver actually ran a red light and was turning into a restricted area. This is all information from the U.S. Secret Service, no kidding.

The limo was stopped and the driver got a ticket, and it's pretty much the end of it. Remember, last year, they allegedly crashed the state dinner with India's prime minister, and those were the images.

You remember that, Tony! Who can forget? Somehow they've made headlines one more time on the same night of another state dinner.

TONY HARRIS, CNN ANCHOR: Will someone give them their reality show so we can be done with them? They will get no ratings, and then we'll really be done with them.

Fred, you have a great day. Yes. Yes. All right.