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Arizona Immigration Law: Word for Word; Immigrants Trapped in America; BP to Get American CEO

Aired July 27, 2010 - 14:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

ALI VELSHI, CNN ANCHOR: All right. It's a new hour, we have a new "Rundown." Let me tell you what we've got "On the Rundown" right now.

Arizona's tough new immigration law, whether you oppose it or you support it, one thing is for sure -- it goes into effect in less than two days. We'll take a look at the letter of that law. Very specifically, what is all the commotion about?

Plus, what was that? That's a question NASA is asking on what was supposed to be a routine maintenance mission at the International Space Station.

We'll show you an unidentified floating object.

Also, Wiki. You've heard the word, usually followed by the word "Leaks" or "Pedia." What does Wiki mean? I'll tell you.

All right. Lots of rallying on both sides of this issue, this Arizona immigration law, SB 1070, across the country. We're just two days away from this controversial law taking effect.

Now, do you know what the law actually says? Let's take a closer look at the exact letter of the law as it stands today.

Josh Levs, who is our guy who looks into things, he doesn't just scrape the surface. He looks into all of these things. He's been doing that right now.

What have you found?

JOSH LEVS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, there are interesting changes that they made to this law, and these are the things that Governor Jan Brewer signed in. I want to show you what these changes are, because I want everyone to know exactly what it says.

Let's get to this first section here.

You know, there is a part of the law that originally used the word "solely," and they took it out. And this is a really significant change they made, and you're going to see it here.

It originally said that "Law enforcement may not solely consider race, color or national origin in implementing the requirements." And what you see is they took out the word "solely." So it now says, "may not consider race, color or national origin in implementing these requirements."

So, in that sense, they're trying to emphasize not to use race. However, look at what comes next. Look at the rest of the sentence here. You need to see where it continues from here, because they go on to say, "except to the extent permitted by the United States or Arizona Constitution."

And Ali, this is really significant right here because it's not black and white in our current legal system. Right now, there is judicial precedence saying sometimes you actually can consider race.

So, the question for the courts as we go forward is going to be, how much do you consider race, how do the courts decide to read this specific law? That's one of the important changes here.

VELSHI: OK.

LEVS: I've got another one for you here. Look at what they did here.

They changed how a situation can come about in which a police officer might even be speaking to someone in the first place. Originally, it said "for any lawful contact." All right? That was the original language, "any lawful contact."

Well, they got rid of "contact." They changed it to "for any lawful stop, detention or arrest."

VELSHI: OK.

LEVS: So, what they did was -- the concern there was, what if someone wants to go up to a police officer and say, "Hey, I witnessed a crime, I want to talk to you"?

VELSHI: And you may not do that if you think that that's contact and that could cause you to be deported.

LEVS: And that the police officer would then be required to check your immigration status. That's contact.

VELSHI: Right. Just because you came up and talked to them.

LEVS: So now it's only if the police officer stops or detains you. It's a very important change that was made.

Then we have the rest of that sentence, too. I want everyone to see where this one continues from here, because then it goes on to say, basically -- and they have to stop you for a reason. They can't just stop you because they look at you.

It goes on to say here, "In the enforcement of any other law or ordinance where reasonable suspicion exists, that the person is unlawfully present." So what they're saying is they have to be, basically, having a reason to stop you in the first place. "In the enforcement of any other law or ordinance." So you went through a red light, you went through a stop sign. There has to be a reason in the first place to stop you.

VELSHI: Reason other than thinking that you're an illegal immigrant?

LEVS: And that's when you get into language like this. Once you're past that, once they have a reason to stop you, right, then this law is filled with all sorts of places where it says "reasonable," "reasonable, "if practicable," "if reasonable."

So what you're seeing is a ton of subjectivity. And that's where the court system comes in. What's reasonable, what's practicable? What do police decide is reasonable or not?

VELSHI: Right.

LEVS: And this is where you're going to have this massive conflict about how this actually plays out.

VELSHI: So, there have been some things that have been changed to make the law look not as Draconian as some critics might have thought in the beginning, but the fact is it is still very subjective and it's still going to depend on, in many cases, what that police officer or that police department or law enforcement in that area decides it wants to do.

LEVS: And these changes are really significant in terms of what this bill says. But it in the end, it did not mollify the critics. Because in the end, there are people saying it doesn't really matter if they made these little changes. What you're ultimately going to have here are some police officers who will look at a car and say, OK, based on the way those people look, I'm going to catch them going through a red light.

That's the fear. And then, what does it lead to from there?

So this is the law, and it's important we all know what's in the laws, we have this debate as a society. But the truth is, the big- picture questions about where it goes from here stay exactly the same.

VELSHI: Some people think you draw the short straw by having to look into the details of all of these things, but you actually like it.

LEVS: I like this stuff.

VELSHI: You love it. And we love that you love it, because it makes it excellent for us.

Josh Levs, thank you on that.

LEVS: You got it. VELSHI: We're going to take a quick break. When we come back, our coverage of this continues.

We're going to be talking to Allan Chernoff about BP and what is going on at that company. We've heard that Tony Hayward is going to be retiring as the head of that company.

We'll take a break and I'll be back with you as soon as we're finished.

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VELSHI: OK. Now we know a little bit more about what the Arizona law says. Let's find out how the Arizona police are going to enforce this law properly.

Check out part of this training video that officers in Arizona have seen. Now, this section of the video deals with the hot-button issue of racial profiling.

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BRIAN LIVINGSTON, EXECUTIVE DIRECTOR, ARIZONA POLICE ASSOCIATION: Race must not ever enter into an officer's decision to make a stop, detention or arrest of an individual. I know from information I've received at the Arizona Police Association that there will be those that fully intend to test our officers and their professionalism, and to determine whether or not they will use race as a determining factor in stopping them for one of various different types of activities.

I urge you not to use race, not to be baited by the questions that may be posed to you by individuals whose purpose is to find Arizona police officers discriminatory in nature. I know you're not, you know you're not. Don't allow them to make you that.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Commentators have stated that the new Arizona immigration law legalizes racial profiling. Nothing in the law allows racial profiling. And, in fact, the statute prohibits use of race, color or national origin except as permitted by the Constitution.

The Constitution permits the consideration of race or color only as part of a specific suspect description. Officers can be assured that nothing about the new law makes racial profiling in any way acceptable.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

VELSHI: OK. What do you think about Arizona's new law as it pertains to racism and discrimination against Hispanics?

The latest CNN poll asks: Do you think Arizona's new immigration law will or will not lead to discrimination against Hispanics? Forty- nine percent of the white people polled said it will, 69 percent of the black people polled said it will, and 74 percent of Hispanics polled said, yes, it will.

Our poll also asks: How widespread do you believe the problem of racism is against Hispanics among police officers in this country? Would you say it's very common, fairly common or very rare?

You can see there that amongst Hispanics, they say it's very common. Twelve percent of whites say so. Forty-two percent of Hispanics say it's fairly common. Thirty-six percent of whites say so.

Twenty-nine percent of Hispanics say that racism against Hispanics among police officers is rare. Fifty-one percent of white respondents said so.

All right. In this immigration debate you will often hear, "Why don't illegal immigrants just go back to where they came from?" What you don't hear is just how difficult it may be for some people to actually return to their native countries.

Soledad O'Brien, special correspondent for CNN's "In America," has the details.

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SOLEDAD O'BRIEN, CNN SPECIAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Edwin Andrade first came to the U.S. from Ecuador because his daughter Dominica (ph) was dying. Her heart ailment could only be treated here.

When their visas ran out, his family stayed, illegally.

EDWIN ANDRADE, TRYING TO RETURN TO COUNTRY: I make the decision to stay here. I left everything for coming here to save her life.

O'BRIEN: Even after Dominica (ph) got better, the Andrades continued to stay. They had good jobs. They had a second daughter with U.S. citizenship.

(on camera): You want to go home.

ANDRADE: I've got to go back home. In my country, I'm a citizen. I've got to go wherever I need to go. I have -- I'm afraid.

O'BRIEN (voice-over): After 13 years, the Andrades are doing the unthinkable -- trying to leave. But they say they feel trapped, unable to find work in a recession. They're part of an estimated half a million illegal immigrants who are struggling to go back home.

(on camera): Are you stuck?

ANDRADE: Yes. I'm stuck. I don't have -- I don't have hands. I have, like, a tie on my hands.

O'BRIEN (voice-over): If Andrade tries to fly out using his Ecuadorian passport, officials will discover he's overstayed his visa. He'll face potential fines and expulsion from the U.S. for years.

Leaving isn't so easy.

PABLO CALLE, ECUADOR GOVERNMENT OFFICIAL: We have a case of an Ecuadorian that when ICE, and they said, "Listen, I have nothing left in this country. I have no money for my air ticket. I just want to go back to the country." And they told him no.

O'BRIEN (on camera): Are you saying that some people say I'd love to go home but I can't?

CALLE: Yes, that's their reality.

O'BRIEN (voice-over): Some illegal immigrants even face detention if they try to leave.

JOHN DE LEON, MIAMI IMMIGRATION LAWYER: If you want to stay, they get you out very quick. If you want to leave, they try to make it hard for you to leave.

O'BRIEN: Immigration authorities declined to be interviewed on camera. They say people facing deportation orders may be detained while they're processed. The only way to come and go without a penalty, sneak back across the border.

At a center for day laborers in Los Angeles, undocumented immigrants can't fathom paying a coyote thousands of dollars to go backwards in their American dream.

He says, "I've been wanting to go for a long time but I make the decision and I don't even have enough money for a ticket."

And if they aren't Mexican citizens, it's more complicated. For example, Guatemalans face arrest if they enter Mexico illegally. Guatemala is one of the countries that helps its citizen get back home giving two people each week a bus ticket and negotiating safe passage.

PABLO GARCIA SAENZ, GUATEMALA CONSUL GENERAL IN LOS ANGELES: This year, 50 people is take ticket for return to Guatemala.

O'BRIEN: Edwin Andrade says the immigration crackdown has made it hard for him to get any work. But once he raises the money, he's taking his family back to Ecuador.

ANDRADE: I say thank you very much for the opportunities what I have in this 13 years in United States. I want to see my country again. I want to start at zero again.

O'BRIEN: For "In America," Soledad O'Brien, CNN, New York.

(END VIDEOTAPE)

VELSHI: With Arizona's controversial immigration law taking effect on Thursday, CNN will be on the ground there tracking it all. Tonight, on "JOHN KING USA," Arizona Governor Jan Brewer will be on the show. John will be broadcasting his show live from Arizona starting tomorrow night.

That's "JOHN KING USA," at 7:00 p.m. Eastern, only on CNN.

Bob Dudley, he's the new face of BP. That's him. But the man he's replacing, Tony Hayward, isn't going quietly.

We'll tell you what he said today.

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VELSHI: That's the picture you're going to start seeing when you talk about BP. That's the incoming CEO in a few months, Bob Dudley.

The outgoing guy, Tony Hayward, well, you're not going to have him to kick around anymore. In fact, today, in announcing that he's being moved out of the top role in a couple of months, Tony Hayward had a lot to say about it.

Let's go to New York, where my colleague Allan Chernoff has been following the story in some detail.

Tony Hayward out as of October 1st, Bob Dudley in. We'll talk about the implications of that in a minute, but the world knows Tony Hayward, and in many cases because of his PR gaffes and missteps.

He says he's not -- it's not just him to blame, Allan.

ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN SR. CORRESPONDENT: He does. Indeed, he spoke to investors this morning on a conference call and he said he actually did a very good job.

He said he did everything that should have been done. He said, in fact, BP, he said, is a "model of corporate responsibility." Those are his words.

Now, you may differ. A lot of people at BP feel, look, they've put in a tremendous effort. But as you point out, at the very beginning, BP tried to spread the blame and Hayward minimized the spill. That damaged him, damaged him severely.

He was never able to recover. There was gaffe after gaffe. But in the conference call this morning with investors, Mr. Hayward pointed out in his opinion -- he said it really is an industry problem. He said, "Macondo" -- which is the well that blew out -- he said, "Macondo was an accident for the deepwater drilling industry, not for BP."

So he really feels the whole industry is going to be shaken up by this, and it just so happened BP was the company operating the well that blew out.

VELSHI: Well, before the merger between BP and Amoco, BP didn't actually have as much experience in the deepwater drilling. Amoco did.

Bob Dudley, who's now going to be the CEO, actually came from the Amoco side of the business. So there's some sense that this guy might be a little more intimately involved not only with the drilling, but the region of the world that's affected by this spill.

CHERNOFF: Well, there's no doubt about that. Bob Dudley, who will be CEO as of October 1st, first of all, he's an American. He actually grew up in Mississippi, so he certainly knows the Gulf.

He's been in charge of the cleanup since Tony Hayward left the Gulf area last month. So Hayward is intimately involved right now in the cleanup effort. And he has CEO experience.

He had been the CEO of BP's joint venture with Russia. So he had five years -- more than five years of experience over there.

And as a matter of fact, Ali, three years ago, Bob Dudley had been in contention for the CEO position with Tony Hayward. And now he's getting that job come October 1st.

VELSHI: Allan, you've probably listened to Bob Dudley. He's been on the airwaves this morning. He's talked to a lot of people.

If you think you're getting a big change in the type of personality that's running the top of this company, it may not deliver all that much. He's not an overstated guy. He's a little bit under the radar.

How is he going to be different in the way he runs this company, and perhaps particularly in the public relations side of things? Because this has become a big story that everybody wants to know about. How are things going to be different under Bob Dudley than under Tony Hayward.

CHERNOFF: Understated will work perfectly for BP. That's what they want.

They don't want somebody who's going to be in the headlines, who's really going to be confrontational. So that is just absolutely perfect.

In terms of how he's going to run the company, well, BP will be a different company. They are going to sell off assets to build up a cash flow. They're going to lower their debt.

They want to be in good financial shape because they don't really know exactly how much liability they're going to have. We know that $20 billion figure, but Tony Hayward said, hey, that's just a number, we really don't know exactly what the cost will be.

What we also know though, Ali, is that BP is going to go after its colleagues in that Macondo well venture. They're going to go after Cameron, after Halliburton, after Transocean, all the other companies that were involved in drilling that well. And they actually have an arbitration clause in their contracts they're going to be pursuing through that avenue first to try to get billions of dollars out of those other companies to share this cost.

VELSHI: Allan Chernoff, thanks very much. Good to see you, as always.

Allan Chernoff in New York on this story.

Let me check some of the other stories that we're following right now.

Another oil spill fouling U.S. waters 1,000 miles from the Gulf of Mexico. Some 20,000 barrels have been released into a creek that feeds Michigan's Kalamazoo River. A malfunction in an underground pipeline yesterday is being blamed. The leak has been stopped, but residents still report a heavy oil odor in the air.

The WikiLeaks controversy has widened. President Obama just weighed in on the Web site's release of tens of thousands of pages of classified Afghan War documents. He says while the leak doesn't reveal any new issues regarding war, or the debate about it, or policy, he is concerned about the disclosure of sensitive information.

And GM has finally put a price tag on its Chevy Volt. The purchase price for the new fully electric car, 41,000 bucks, although a federal tax credit effectively brings that down to about $33,000. Auto analysts think that it's the lease price that will really steer drivers to the Volt. Monthly payments, about $350 a month.

An unidentified flying object. Well, the space station saw some last night. They weren't the flying saucer type. You have got to see this.

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VELSHI: What is that? What is that flying by? Oh, Chad.

CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: It was a bug.

VELSHI: Which is what it could have been. This is an interesting story.

A walk in space for some routine repairs, and then in the pictures you're seeing flying objects, unidentified flying objects.

MYERS: I'm pretty sure they're not bugs.

VELSHI: Well, they're something bigger than a bug.

MYERS: Certainly. Let's get to the first one here, because there are a couple of them.

They were out there for a six-and-a-half-hour spacewalk. And they had obviously video of this because they need to have video of this.

VELSHI: Right.

MYERS: They were changing a video camera, and they were changing cable connectors. And then all of a sudden, the video camera sees that. OK. Underneath the words, there's the man down there. So he's really big. This is not some person floating away.

VELSHI: Can we just take that away, guys?

Yes, let's just -- OK. So there's the guy. You can see the guy.

MYERS: And he is beginning -- this little piece is now floating away. It appeared to have a hole in the middle, kind of like a connector like you would use with a screw underneath it --

VELSHI: Like a washer?

MYERS: A kind of a washer, but yet on the end of that washer appeared to be where a wire may go in and you kink it. Right?

VELSHI: OK.

MYERS: So kind of the open-end connector where you'd put this under a screw, the screw would go down, and then it floated away. They say that this isn't so rare that things --

VELSHI: Stuff kind of flies away and --

MYERS: -- it floats away. You know, that annoys me because -- there's the washer. We know that that's just a big circle. But when I take my car apart and I fix it, I want all the parts to go back.

VELSHI: Right. And then you come out and you've got a couple of extra parts laying around? Yes.

MYERS: If I have a hydraulic valve lifter and I'm thinking, this is bad. I shouldn't have one extra lifter.

VELSHI: So, clearly, either they have got extras or they're not too worried about it, because they were able to get the job done that they were trying to do, replacing that camera.

MYERS: They got it all done. They're back inside. And in a six-and-a-half-hour spacewalk, sometimes stuff happens.

VELSHI: Stuff happens. That's funny.

MYERS: So there you go. You can actually see this online as well. This came from NASA TV, but it's on CNN.com.

VELSHI: So, if I could overcome all the physical issues with being an astronaut and getting up there, and the bravery involved, this is where it would mess me up, because I'm constantly dropping things and losing things. So that would be it. If I made it through all of that, that would be the end of me. I'd drop the drill or --

MYERS: Well, that's your cell phone look like?

VELSHI: I know, it's a mess. I have protectors on my cell phone, my BlackBerry. Everything has got rubber on the ends of it because it's just constantly dropping. I'm the kind of guy who buys a spare when I buy the first electronic thing because I just know I'm going to need it.

MYERS: You know what I want to invent? An airbag for my phone.

VELSHI: That's right, totally. It drops -- oh, yes. We'll get on that.

All right. Chad Myers, thanks very much.

MYERS: All right.

VELSHI: Hey, listen. At the heart of the war in Afghanistan, it is a place that is so wild and so violent, that it defies government control. The Afghan/Pakistan tribal areas are coming up next in "Globe Trekking."

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VELSHI: Time now for "Globe Trekking." Our first stop, Afghanistan.

The body of one of two missing U.S. sailors was found in Lowgar Province. That's just south of the Afghan capital of Kabul.

A NATO spokesman says the remains were recovered Sunday during a massive land and air search. The two sailors were reported missing after they were last seen driving out of a military base in Kabul. Their vehicle was also found.

Now, just what their mission was remains a mystery. A Taliban spokesman confirmed to CNN that they killed one of the sailors and captured the other one.

He says they wanted to capture both men but one was killed when a firefight broke out. He says the other sailor is a live and being held in a safe location There's no word of ransom. A U.S. military official confirms that the military is offering a $20,000 reward for information leading to the return of that sailor.

I want to stay in the region but shifting to border area between Afghanistan and Pakistan. Let me show you this border area. The border is that white line. As you can see, the tribal areas that I'm going to tell you about, don't seem to pay much attention to that border itself.

Those are four key tribal areas in the reason. And you can see that much of the border is dominated by the Pushtun (ph) tribes and the Baluchi (ph) tribes.

Now here's the interesting issue. One thing that you need to know about these tribes, whether they're on the Pakistani side or the Afghan side, they have more -- greater affinity to their own tribal ethnicity then they have to the country in which they live.

So being a citizen of Pakistan is not nearly as important as what tribe you're a member of in that particular region. Now this is part of the issue. That boundary-Daniel we can just show our viewer that. That boundary is called the Durand line. That is the boundary between Afghanistan and Pakistan. It was written-it was drawn in the 1890s by Sir henry Mortimer Durand as a way to cut right between these tribes, basically to weaken then and to divide them. It didn't work, the bottom line is people who are members of those tribes pay no attention in large part to that border..

And in fact it defies government control. The Pakistani government sort of has an agreement with people in those areas that it doesn't really interfere in people's lives, even though it's part of Pakistan.

Let me show you the next map now. I want to hone in just on the Pakistani side of the border and that colored area which are the tribal areas, the north west frontier province and Balochistan in Pakistan. This is the side of Pakistan which, again, many people deem ungovernable and where the Taliban is said to have training camps and to launch attacks against U.S. and coalition troops who are on the Afghan side. So they use that area in Pakistan, which is said to be a U.S. ally, to launch attacks on U.S. and coalition troops on the Afghanistan side of the border.

The issue here is that there are some people who think Osama bin Laden might actually be hiding out in those colored areas on the Pakistani side. Some of the air strikes, for instance, that have been launched against Taliban positions in those areas have succeeded. They've hit their targets. Others, particularly by those U.S. drones, have missed their targets and they've hit Pakistani civilians. And that is why so many Pakistanis are against U.S. presence in that particular area. Every time civilians die, more people come out against the war effort.

Now, this may help to explain the volatile relationship between Pakistan and Afghanistan and why those accusations have come out that Pakistan's intelligence service may be helping to outfit, to train and to coordinate efforts by Taliban activists in that particular area.

As you know, the Pakistani government has denied those allegations saying that they are not using money or providing aid to help the Taliban. We'll continue on this topic. But we wanted to give you some sense of that area and why it's so contentious.

On to another topic, most college grads are just trying to change their own lives, not the lives of other people. But coming up next on our "Mission Possible" is raising the bar for all of you who just got your degrees.

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VELSHI: Let me give you a check of some of the top stories we're following here at CNN. BP's chief, Tony Hayward, stepping down in the aftermath of the Gulf oil disaster. He's being replaced by American Robert Dudley. The move comes as BP announced a quarterly loss of more than $17 billion. On the economic front, home prices rose slightly in May compared to a month earlier. That's according to the Case Shiller home price index. The increase might have been due to the government's incentive program which paid tax refunds to those people who bought a first home before May.

And in Turkey visiting British Prime Minister David Cameron threw his support behind Turkey's bid to join the European union. He also spoke out on Israel's blockade of Gaze, calling the Palestinian territory a prison camp.

All right. It's time now for our "Mission Possible". I want to introduce you to a woman who took a free school for girls into an area that had never had that, into an area that didn't have free education for girls. Her name is Jessica Posner. She's the co-founder and managing director of Shining Hope For Community.

She' joining me via Skype from Nairobi, Kenya. Last year Jessica, you and your partner Kennedy Odede (ph) opened the first and only free school in Kabera, which is-it's one of the largest slums in Africa, if not the largest, adjacent--right next to Nairobi. Tell us a little bit about what got you there and a bit about the school.

JESSICA POSNER, CO-FOUNDER SHINING HOPE FOR COMMUNITY: Thanks a lot for having me on the show today. Our school, the first free school girls in Kabera, when I was in college, I graduated from Wesleyan a year ago. And I studied in Nairobi and was just really struck by the devastating living conditions in Kabera, which was actually just recently become the largest slum in Africa.

And so working with (INAUDIBLE) the co-founder of my organization who grew up in (INAUDBILE) and who lived there for 23 years, we decided that the most powerful intervention we could possibly make would be to target women and girls.

VELSHI: What exactly did you do? I mean it sounds like it was a logical outcropping of your shock and dismay at how much poverty there is in the living conditions. But exactly how do you go about how starting a school for girls from pre-kindergarten through the second grade? Where did you get the money from? How did you organize it?

POSNER: Absolutely so we started this all with a $10,000 grant. And from there, we just kept fund-raising and kept working with local leaders. Our teachers are all women from the community who are amazing role models.

We work with grassroots leaders across Kabera. And through Kennedy's (ph) own experiences, we were really able to build this infrastructure to begin with, hire the teachers, designed a curriculum. Now we provide daily nutrition, highly quality education and support for girls who without our school would have no other alternative and for the families also. We provide health service, economic services, eco latrine center. And so we're providing infrastructure that isn't easily available to these people and that's desperately needed. VELSHI: What can you do for them? What can this schooling from pre-k through the second grade do for them, because obviously you're not able at the moment to provide the schooling for them at a higher level. So what change have you seen? What change is likely to occur because of this?

POSNER: So our school goes now to the second grade. But we'll actually follow these girls all the way to the eighth grade and then we'll funnel them into the area high schools and follow them through high schools as well so that they get to a college. They get to some sort of economic training program. So that they'll be able to earn an income and then they'll take that income and reinvest it in their families and in the community.

And already it's really been astounding to see just the difference in these girls. Last year when the school opened, they didn't speak any English. They couldn't read or write. All of our students can read, can write. They're learning English and just the confidence they've developed, the joy, it's just amazing to walk into the school every day and to see that, to see the confidence in their parents, to see them believe that there is a chance for a different future.

VELSHI: Jessica, obviously if there are no free schools for girls in the slum and you've created this had one, there must be remarkable demand to get in there. How do you choose who gets into the school?

POSNER: That's definitely the most difficult part. There is so much demand. There are so many needy, talented students that we simply don't have the resources to serve.

So we target the most highly (INAUDBILE) the most curious, the kids who are going to make the most of their education and also the most economically devastated. So families that would have absolutely no way to send this girl to school without our program.

And we also look for girls who are most vulnerable to abuse, to rape, to prostitution so that we can take them and really invest in them and their future.

VELSHI: These girls are hungry for an education, is there anybody who sort of looks at you suspiciously and doesn't want to go or does everybody sort of embrace this and really want on education if they can get one?

POSNER: Absolutely. Everyone is so eager for any opportunity that they can get, education, health care, computer training -- our girls, their parents, the entire community is absolutely hungry for opportunities.

VELSHI: It's one of those things though when you look at the poverty in the area and you look at these slums, it's easy to become overwhelmed by this whole thing. You seem very enthusiastic about the problems going on in that slum. In fact, it's not just education. You've extended the work that you do into water and even into micro-finance where you can provide small loans to people to establish little businesses for themselves?

VELSHI: Yes, I think that-I mean it's absolutely a devastating situation. (INAUDBLE) I sort of walk though Kabera it just astounds me that the people have to live in an environment like that.

But I think I really get the courage to keep going from our students and from their parents and from the grace that they face every situation that they're encountered with. So I sort of feel (ph) like I have to do the same.

POSNER: You have a great disposition about you and you don't seem like you're defeated by the devastation around you. So hopefully you will continue to do this. What a great thing that you're bringing to these girls in Kabera. Thank you for joining us, Jessica Posner is the co-founder and managing director of Shining Hope for Communities joining me from Nairobi.

To find out more about Jessica and her organization or find out how you can help, go to www.hopetoshine.org.

When we come back, it's time for "The Stakeout" at the White House. Ed Henry standing by, our Senior White House Correspondent to give us the news, the scoop when we get back.

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VELSHI: We're almost on time. We're a couple of minutes late. But every day around this time, we go to the White House where our senior White House Correspondent, Ed henry, is standing by. You might describe him as staking the place out which is why we call it "The Stakeout" with Ed henry. Good afternoon, Ed.

ED HENRY, CNN SENIOR WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Good to see you there, Ali. I hear you're coming to D.C. Tonight. Is that true?

VELSHI: Yes, I am. I've got a meeting there tomorrow. I won't be in the earliest of flights but maybe if you're around, we can grab a drink and compare ties.

HENRY: We could catch up. Yes I didn't want to blow your cover or anything. But you know-- you're not poking around at the White House or anything, are you?

VELSHI: No, no. I won't be there. I'll be somewhere down. I don't even know where I'm going to be but I'll let you know -- maybe I should activate that thing on my Twitter, what is it four-square or something like that? Where it always shows where you are.

HENRY: Yes, tell me where you are. Four-square that for sure. So then I know where you are and I'll find you.

VELSHI: All right good well I knew where you were a little while ago because we always have a camera on what you're doing. You were in the White House briefing -- the president, I know, separately made some comments about this Wikileaks business. And he sort of expressed some concern about it.

HENRY: Yes. He came out earlier -- this is really the first time we've heard directly from the president. What he was saying was two-fold. Number one what we heard from Robert Gibbs yesterday, which is that, basically there's nothing new here, we already knew there were challenges in the war, the president was saying and we've got to keep an eye on Pakistan.

He was sort of laying out how he believes he's brought accountability to Pakistan that was not there in the Bush administration. But I was pressing Robert Gibbs on that very point. Because while the president says there's no blank check for Pakistan, he says there's more accountability.

The fact of the mater is, he a few months ago, he signed into law another $7.5 billion in U.S. taxpayer aid to Pakistan. At the same time that these new documents are suggesting there's deeper ties than we ever knew. We knew there was a possibility of Pakistan's intelligence service being tied to the Taliban. But wow laying out in greater detail deep ties in which Pakistani intelligence service could be helping to sort of plot these attacks against U.S. soldiers and Afghan leaders.

Robert Gibbs pushing on that, insisting the administration has checks on that money that's going to Pakistan and that they're improving the relationship with Pakistan. But given this cache of documents you have to wonder whether, this is blank check or not.

VELSHI: Right. And I know you'll continue to push them on that because that remains an important issue. $7.5 billion going there it may not be a blank check but there are definitely checks being cut to Pakistan.

Also the president talking a bit about midterm elections. There's some sense that he's going to ramp up his travel. You're going to see the president out there on the Hustings a lot more in the next few months?

HENRY: Big-time. It's interesting because in the Rose Garden after this meeting with bipartisan congressional leadership the president was sort of warning Congress, don't go out there and get caught up in the campaign season. The president himself is going to be in New York tomorrow, he's giving a speech on the economy in New Jersey but then he's going to New York for some fund-raising, going to be doing a lot of that the next couple of weeks, traveling all around the country, Texas some other big states to raise money.

Just last week, Vice President Biden said the fact of the matter is that the heavy-lifting on legislation is done. Now is the time for this administration to try to sell to it the American people. And I keep hearing from people close to the president that he's planning to really go out there and hit the Hustings hard in the Fall. That while we've seen him go out there for these little itsy bitsy fund raiders here and there. He's really going to hit it hard in September and October.

VELSHI: Anything on Hayward, Tony Hayward and the announcement that he's going to be leaving the top job at BP?

HENRY: Robert Gibbs revealed that the president had a phone conversation yesterday with BP's chairman of the board which we did not know about this leadership change. I pressed Robert on whether or not the president expressed any outrage about this golden parachute that Tony Hayward getting some $18 million over the next many years, sort of a golden handshake on the way out the door.

Robert Gibbs basically said he didn't have a readout from the president's call. But that the president is going to make sure and keep Bob Dudley accountable in terms of making sure that BP stays in the Gulf, repays these victims.

You can see some anger there about this golden parachute when so many other fishermen, others in the region are suffering right now still trying to get their government claims processed.

You can bet in the days ahead, this isn't the last we've heard about this rather awkward relationship the White House has with BP. There's no way around it. They have to deal with them for many years to come.

VELSHI: The chairman is no award-winning P.R. guy himself. Remember he's the guy that referred to the small people? Did you get some read on whether not the White House

HENRY: Yes, he came out right here where I'm standing here at "The Stakeout" he was standing right here at "The Stakeout" in fact. And he said, we're going to make sure to look after the small people. Maybe it was lost in translation I believe he's from Sweden. And he apologized quickly, we should point out. But they had one P.R.. problem after another.

VELSHI: Any sense that the White House has a closet relationship or expecting to have a better relationship with Bob Dudley?

HENRY: That's a good question. One of my colleagues asked Robert Gibbs that and said look. Can we expect the president to reaching out to Bob Dudley? Does he think it's a good thing a bad thing? And Robert Gibbs just wouldn't go there basically saying he's got no opinion about where the president, what the president thinks about Bob Dudley.

But you can bet that this administration is happy that Tony Hayward has finally been kind of shown the door. Because from the beginning, it was kind of a mess for them.

But I think it shows the fact that they won't even comment on Bob Dudley for better or for worse shows that they kind of learned their lesson from the first few weeks of this, not to get tied in with BP. That was a P.R. disaster for the White House as well. Now they just keep this arm's length about Hayward about Dudley everyone else. We'll see in the long term whether that works out. But in the short term, they want nothing to do with this company in terms of joining at the hands or anything like that.

VELSHI: The biggest problem with you blowing my cover is that I could have gone to D.C and had dinner with some power broker or something and then expensed it and got a free dinner. I don't think CNN is going to really think that taking you for dinner is -sort of an expansible thing.

HENRY: Did I say you were coming to D.C.? You're in Atlanta tonight aren't you.

VELSHI: Yes something like that. But I look forward to seeing you now that you've blown my cover I'm going to have a lovely evening with you.

HENRY: I'm sorry that I blew your cover I know you have a lot of fans on Twitter and elsewhere. Less than I do, of course. But maybe there will be people who will show up at the airport to welcome you to D.C.

VELSHI: @EdhenryCNN, if you want to follow him on Twitter. @AliVelshi. You'll get a lot more out of following me on Twitter. Ed Henry I'll see you tonight and then we'll see you again tomorrow on "The Stakeout" at the White House.

All right "Wordplay" is coming u next. We'll fill you in on a Hawaiian word you didn't even know that you knew. Stay with us.

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VELSHI: All right you know all about these leaks already. If you don't know about it there's nothing I can do with you because you've been hiding under a rock. But in today's edition of "Wordplay", we're all about the wiki.

Now if you followed the fuss about the military field reports on internet or if you've ever looked anything up on Wikipedia, you probably wonder what wiki has to do with anything.

First of all it's not an acronym for what I know is, that is a myth.. Secondly its not wiki, it's wiki, and it's Hawaiian for quick. So says the computer programmer who launched wiki wiki web in 1995. To let other programmers share their programs.

Ward Cunningham says he learned the word at the Honolulu airport on the wiki wiki shuttle bus between the terminals. Nowadays, wiki is shorthand for information anyone can post, or edit, or delete online. If you don't believe me check the Oxford English Dictionary, because it showed up there in 2007. It kills me now that I know that it's pronounced wiki because I'm going to say that on TV and everybody's going to say "Why do you say wiki it's wiki?"

A quick break. When we come back, innovative ways to clean up oil spills. We need them now more than ever and there is big money in it. I'm going to explain it in my "XYZ"

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VELSHI: Time now for the "XYZ" of it. I am a big fan of giving people an incentive to find a better way to do things, to solve important problems. On this show, we've given a lot of time to people with creative ideas to clean up the oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico.

Now the X-Prize is getting into the game. You know X-Prize, as a nonprofit group whose mission is to foster innovation and create breakthroughs for the benefit of humanity.

Back in 2004, the X-Prize awarded a $10 million prize to a team that built and flew the world's first private vehicle to space. Since then, there have been X-Prizes for breakthroughs in genomics (ph), in getting a vehicle to the moon and to building a car that gets better than 100 miles per gallon or it's equivalent, using another fuel source.

On Thursday the X-Prize foundation will launch its sixth major competition. It will be a multimillion-dollar privately funded prize called the oil clean-up x-challenge, designed to inspire entrepreneurs, engineers and scientists worldwide to develop innovative rapidly deployable ways to clean up the oil that remains on the surface of the Gulf of Mexico.

We'll bring you more details about the Competition when it's announced on Thursday. Now that the oil is not spilling into the Gulf of Mexico, it's going to take this sort of entrepreneurship to help ensure that we don't suffer the consequences of the spilled oil for generations to come. That's the "XYZ" of it Time now for "RICK'S LIST"