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Americans Killed in Afghanistan; Armed, Dangerous and On the Run; Gitmo Trial Begins This Week; Terror Organizations Recruiting Americans; World Sauna Champion Dies, Other Injured by Heat
Aired August 08, 2010 - 18:00 ET
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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Tonight, have you seen these men? They're armed, dangerous and suspected of murder and believe to be hiding among families at one of America's most popular tourist destinations. New details on the manhunt.
A competition gone terribly wrong when a man is literally cooked to death. Another man shaking and bleeding is rushed to the hospital. What went wrong?
And I go to the biggest hair show in the world and get a little caught up in the action. And I have to tell you, though, seriously, if you are looking for a job, this business is definitely hiring.
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LEMON: Good evening, everybody. I'm Don Lemon.
But we start tonight in Afghanistan. A mission of mercy ends in ambush and death. We're learning new information about six Americans killed in Afghanistan. They were part of a 10-member international medical aid team gunned down, execution-style, in a remote mountain area. The Taliban has claimed responsibility.
And CNN's senior correspondent, Allan Chernoff, joins us now with more on the team leader.
Tom Little is his name, and this tragic void that he left behind. What do you know about him, Allan?
ALLAN CHERNOFF, CNN SR. CORRESPONDENT: Tom seems to have been an exceptional, exceptional person. I mean, just unbelievable story here -- an optometrist, grew up in Albany, but spent 33 years providing aid in Afghanistan. Lived there with his wife, raised his three daughters there. They endured rocket attacks, lots of danger. Apparently, they felt, well, it was just their mission. He really felt that he was engaging in God's work.
And have a listen now to the wife who lost her husband only three days ago.
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LIBBY LITTLE, WIFE OF TOM LITTLE: There was danger. There's been danger at times, rogues, you know, along the way. But it really was what we thought God wanted us to do and we -- I felt it was a privilege to -- and it was a joy to be doing what we were supposed to do.
We don't hand out Bibles. We don't proselytize. We don't -- we never have.
But, you know, that's what they're accusing us of. It's just an excuse. They were doing a fine, fine medical work and seeing hundreds of people. And this is a tragedy.
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CHERNOFF: The Taliban had accused the Littles of engaging in proselytizing, as you heard. Libby says that absolutely is false. But, Don, they had endured incredible danger.
Libby told us that many times, in fact, they had been held by hostile folks in Afghanistan. She said, essentially, being held hostage, but they had then provided assistance to the very people who were holding them hostage and then would share tea with them and eventually be allowed to go on. And, so, apparently, Tom Little was used to encountering danger, and tragically, he was killed on Thursday.
LEMON: Allan Chernoff, more on that coming up on our 7:00 hour here, right here on CNN. Thank you very much, Allan Chernoff.
In the meantime, imagine two armed and dangerous escaped prisoners lurking right near you and your kids and you don't even know it. That's exactly what may be happening right now at one of America's biggest family destinations, Yellowstone National Park. John McCluskey and Tracy Province brazenly fled an Arizona prison last week and they are still out there. Province is a convicted murder and McCluskey is convicted of attempted murder.
David Gonzales is the U.S. marshal for the district of Arizona. He joins me now from Phoenix.
Thank you for joining us, sir. We understand the two fugitives are suspected in the murder of an elderly couple in New Mexico?
DAVID GONZALES, U.S. MARSHAL, DISTRICT OF ARIZONA: Yes, the 61-year- old couple, Mr. And Mrs. Haas, were found dead right outside of Santa Rosa, New Mexico. And there was evidence that ties them, our suspects, who escaped from prison, directly to their murders.
LEMON: Mr. Gonzales, tell us about Yellowstone National Park. It was very disturbing and as we said, because families -- this is one of the most popular family destinations in the country, tourist destinations, really. What is the evidence that they are there and what are you telling people in the area?
GONZALES: Well, you know, this has been a fast-moving investigation for a week. And we've been tracking them cross-country in the southwest. And within the last two days, we've centered them in the area of Yellowstone National Park, in the area of the Wyoming/Montana sections of it, and we thought it would be advantageous to get the word out for our investigators and also for the public to be on the lookout for these individuals.
LEMON: Sir, what about people in Yellowstone? Should they be afraid? I mean, these men are obviously very dangerous.
GONZALES: They are very, very dangerous. Obviously, they're convicted murderers, suspected of two other murders since their escape. They are -- they do frequent truck stops and campgrounds. They also have white supremacist leanings and I'd be looking for people who are sympathetic to their cause also in that area.
It is a -- it is just a situation that very volatile at this point and we're doing everything we can, the United States Marshals Service to track those individuals down and put them in prison where they belong.
LEMON: David Gonzales with the U.S. Marshals -- thank you, Mr. Gonzales. We appreciate it.
GONZALES: Thank you.
LEMON: Tensions are ratcheting up between North and South Korea, and it's not just tough talk. North Korea has seized a South Korean fishing boat. South Korea's coast guard says the vessel may have strayed into the North's exclusive zone. For South Korean and three Chinese crew members reportedly are aboard the vessel.
This comes while South Korean naval exercises are under way which have infuriated Pyongyang. It also follows a deadly March sinking of a South Korean warship which killed 46 sailors. Seoul says North Korea torpedoed that ship.
Jobless claims on the rise. That's not a sign of the economy -- of the recovery here that we had been hoping for. We're asking, are we better off now than we were a year ago?
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hit that, oh, no! Oh, no, no, no, no, no!
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LEMON: Look at that -- ripped to shreds. Severe weather tears across the Upper Midwest. This was just one of two incredible twisters caught on camera.
And burned to death at the World Sauna Championships. We're looking at the effects extreme heat can have on you.
And don't just sit there. Of course, we want you to be part of the show, become part of the conversation. Make sure you check me out on Twitter or Facebook, send us a message, or check us out on Foursquare as well, or on my blog at CNN.com/Don. We want to hear from you.
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LEMON: Let's talk about something that matters to all of us these days: the economy, and specifically, our jobs and our money. On Friday, the latest jobless report revealed that private sector jobs just aren't being created fast enough to absorb new job hunters or offset continued job losses in the public sector. And unemployment is holding steady at 9.5 percent.
Let's talk about all of this now and what it means to you with Motoko Rich. She is a business reporter for "The New York Times."
So, Motoko, let's start with these jobless numbers. Are they a sign that the recovery has sputtered?
MOTOKO RICH, THE NEW YORK TIMES: It probably is a sign. I think that we are at this point -- I mean, you were asking a question earlier if we were better off than we were a year ago and we definitely are because if you take away the fact that we lost nearly 150,000 Census jobs, we did gain 71,000 private sector jobs. So, we're still adding jobs instead of losing jobs, which is a sign of a recession.
But clearly, things have stalled. We were adding a lot more jobs at the beginning of the year than we are now. And we're not adding even enough jobs to make up for the fact of people just coming into the market, normal seniors graduating from college, people coming back to work after staying home with families, seniors trying to get jobs because they need health insurance.
So, when you add all of those people plus the 8 million people who lost their jobs during the recession, we're not creating enough jobs for all of them.
LEMON: OK, Motoko. President Obama talked about those jobless numbers on Friday and he made the argument that recoveries take time. Let's listen to what he said.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We know from economic statistics what the stories of America's families have been telling us for quite some time, that the recession that we're still recovering from is the most serious downturn since the Great Depression. We also know, from studying the lessons of past recessions, that climbing out of any recession, much less a hole as deep as this one, takes some time. The road to recovery doesn't follow a straight line.
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LEMON: OK, Motoko, we've already had the stimulus package and there's lots of concern now shifting to rising deficits. What other options does the president have, if any at all?
RICH: Well, the Senate last week passed a measure of $26 billion to give aid to states and local school districts, and this is really important, because one of the things we saw in Friday's job numbers, where that state and local governments laid off 48,000 people, and, in fact, in the past three months, they've let go more than 100,000. We're talking about firemen, teachers, local clerks, that kind of thing. And states and local governments are shutting down essential services. So, the Senate did pass this bill and it comes before the House on Tuesday. Another measure that the president supports is help for small businesses -- $30 billion in loans for some of the small businesses who are having trouble getting enough money to sort of run their businesses and, in turn, we hope hire.
LEMON: OK. So, listen, there's been lots of talks -- lots of talk about the Bush tax cuts, right, may expire at the end of the year if they don't -- if the Obama administration doesn't renew them. Will this have any effects on the economy or the deficit?
RICH: Well, that is one of the greatest questions. And that's being fiercely debated right now. It's a very partisan debate but also, economists are not sure. These are the tax cuts that were supposed to sunset at the end of the year and there are those who argue that we should not dot this at the time when the economy is -- as you say -- sputtering. There are others who say that we need to redress the income inequality and the cut that -- keeping the tax cuts will not be good for the economy in the long-term. So, this is an argument that's going to be fiercely debated.
LEMON: Yes. A lot until the end of the year.
RICH: Exactly.
LEMON: The Federal Reserve issues a policy statement on Tuesday. What can we expect? Any clues about what the fed will say on Tuesday?
RICH: Well, we're not sure. I mean, we know that the Federal Reserve chairman has talked about this being an unusually uncertain time. And so, I think a lot of people are looking for the fed to take more action. They can't really do much more on interest rates, so there are questions about what they can do on the asset side to stimulate -- to try to keep the economy from slipping into -- backwards into a double dip, which is what people have been concerned about.
LEMON: Business reporter for "The New York Times," Motoko Rich, thank you very much. We appreciate your time.
RICH: Thank you so much for having me.
LEMON: Two big political names are soaking up the sun and heat right here in Georgia, trying to sway the voters before the big runoff election on Tuesday. And we'll tell you why President Obama is heading to Texas.
Plus this --
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a big problem in the city. For one, it's not enough programs they sent over here. There's not enough community centers.
(END VIDEO CLIP) LEMON: So, what did this former admitted street thug do? He started his own program to help the kids of his neighborhood. You'll meet him.
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LEMON: Sarah Palin on the move - this time, down south, joining the fray in a tough party primary runoff for governor. Let's find out what is going on.
Our deputy political director, Mr. Paul Steinhauser, is on the road with the CNN Express. So you see it, product placement right behind him there in the live shot. He joins us now from Grand Junction, Colorado.
Beautiful country out there, Paul. Paul, Sarah Palin has a way of staying in the headlines. She certainly does. Now, she has jumped into another Republican primary fight.
Tell us about Sarah Palin and some other big names getting involved here.
PAUL STEINHAUSER, CNN DEPUTY POLITICAL DIRECTOR: You got it, Don. She's going to be right your way. She's going to be in Atlanta tomorrow and she'll be campaigning for one of the two Republicans in a gubernatorial primary runoff election on Tuesday. She's stumping for a woman she's endorsed, Karen Handel, the former secretary of state of Georgia.
And, Don, Sarah Palin has had a lot of success -- I think you could say -- in endorsing candidates in the Republican primaries. Remember, Sarah Palin is still very popular and has a lot of clout with those on the right and those are the people who vote in Republican primaries, Don.
LEMON: All right. I hear the president, too, is even getting in on the act here, hitting the road tomorrow for a big political event. Where is he going and why?
STEINHAUSER: Yes, he is going deep into the heart of Texas. You're going to see President Barack Obama in Austin and in Dallas tomorrow. He's got fundraisers for the party and president has been playing the role of "fundraiser-in-chief" lately. It's nothing new, presidents do this.
But the Democratic Party -- they want to raise some big bucks ahead of the midterm elections. They feel -- they think that if they can raise a lot of money and spend it on the elections, they may be able to help as they battle to keep control of Congress, Don. So, see the president again fundraising this weekend down the road as well.
LEMON: Paul, we mentioned how beautiful it is where you were. Why are you in Colorado and why didn't you take the rest of us with you?
STEINHAUSER: Yes, I'm a lucky man. We took the CNN Election Express and we're on the road to Denver right now. Right now, we're in Grand Junction. We're going to head that way over the Rocky Mountains into Denver.
Tuesday, primary day here in Colorado, also Minnesota and Connecticut. But here in Colorado, Don, you've got some really divisive and bitter primary contests on the Senate side, both the Republican and Democratic primaries. Pretty nasty battles here, Don.
LEMON: Paul Steinhauser, thank you, sir. Enjoy.
STEINHAUSER: Thanks.
LEMON: I want to check your top stories right now on CNN.
A gunman shot and killed a man he was arguing with earlier today at a Harlem block party, and then shot two New York City police officers who approached the scene. Police opened fire on the gunman, striking him several times. He's hospitalized, in critical but stable condition. Three other civilians were wounded in the melee. They are listed in stable condition. The wounded officers are expected to recover.
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LEMON: Oh, no, is right. A storm chaser caught this video of a tornado that touched down late yesterday afternoon in Wilkin County, Minnesota. Now, as you can see, it literally sucked those farm buildings into the air, debris flying everywhere. We're told a farmer and his family weren't home at the time. It was part of a severe weather system that produced at least three tornadoes in Minnesota and North Dakota yesterday.
And here's some video of one of the other twisters in southeastern North Dakota. Weather experts say it is extremely rare, but one of the tornadoes stayed on the ground for about 30 seconds. One North Dakota farm was destroyed -- excuse me, eight minutes, eight minutes. One farm was destroyed but nobody was seriously injured.
A former Chicago gang member now fighting the good fight in his old neighborhood. His name is Derek Brown. And he's keeping kids off the streets by teaching them to box. His story in tonight's "Building Up America."
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DEREK BROWN: I had six blocks that I corrupted.
When I was trapped up in the life of selling drugs, "Shotgun" became from when I actually stayed across the street. This was a big gambling spot. And one day, they were outside gambling and I looked out my third floor window and I seen the whole crowd just disperse and I looked.
I don't know what's going on. I can't hear anything and I see this car jumps on the sidewalk and run this guy over and I came off my back porch, boom, boom, boom! Shooting a shotgun.
The kids right now call me Coach Brown. You know, Coach Derek.
Try to hit me right there.
It's a big problem in the city. For one, there's not enough programs they sent over here. There's not enough community centers.
All your punches straight. There you go, perfect.
And I look at them, I think hope. I think, somebody's going to be something in life. You know, I'm not just teaching them how to box. I'm teaching them to box their way through life.
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LEMON: That report from CNN photojournalist Derek Davis.
Americans working for the terrorists who target the U.S. We're taking a close look at this growing trend and asking: why the increased extremist influence?
And one man dies, another severely burned at the World Sauna Championships. We're looking at the effect hot weather and extreme heat can have on you.
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LEMON: The first trial under the Obama administration's new military commissions will begin this week at Guantanamo Bay. The new rules add protections for defendants and limit what kind of evidence can be used against them.
As Jeanne Meserve explains, defense officials picked a difficult case to start with.
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JEANNE MESERVE, CNN HOMELAND SECURITY CORRESPONDENT: Don, Omar Khadr is the youngest detainee and the only westerner held there. His trial is drawing international attention and some criticism. It will be the first test of the Obama administration's revamped military commission system.
(voice-over): Omar Khadr, sobbing during an interrogation at Guantanamo Bay in 2003.
OMAR KHADR, GUANTANAMO DETAINEE: You don't care about me, that's what.
MESERVE: For eight years, the young Canadian has been in custody there. This week, he is finally slated to have his day in court before a military commission. Khadr was 15 when he was picked up on the battlefield in Afghanistan.
JOHN ALTENBURG, FMR. MILITARY COMMISSIONS OFFICIAL: There's evidence that he was making bombs. There's evidence that he was placing bombs, you know, as IEDs on roads in Afghanistan. And there's evidence that he is the person that threw a grenade that killed an American soldier.
MESERVE: Khadr's attorney strongly disagrees.
LT. COL. JON JACKSON, KHADR'S ATTORNEY: The evidence in this case is clear, clear that Omar Khadr did not throw the grenade that killed Sergeant Christopher Speer.
MESERVE: Omar Khadr's attorney says his client, now 23, was a child soldier, that interrogators threatened him with rape to obtain confessions, and that his client should be tried in federal court rather than what he calls an illegitimate, illegal and unequal military commission.
JACKSON: Separate is always unequal when it comes to a justice system. If you have a justice system that is set aside for noncitizens, it will never have validity.
MESERVE: Even recent reforms passed by Congress don't give defendants in military commissions the protections they would have in federal court. But a former top Pentagon lawyer believes they are fair and all detainees should be tried there.
ALTENBURG: I don't see the need or have the desire to put those people who are not citizens, who are detained on a battlefield, who were fighting against the United States soldiers -- I don't see giving them the same rights that United States citizens would have.
MESERVE (on camera): Khadr's case is expected to move forward this week and its success or failure could affect the administration's decision on where to try the more notorious 9/11 conspirators, courts or commissions.
Don, back to you.
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LEMON: Jeanne, thank you very much.
Americans accused of working for the enemy. Fourteen people indicted for allegedly supporting al-Shabaab, an Islamic militant group with suspected ties to al Qaeda. All of the suspects are either U.S. citizens or they've lived in the States. The Justice Department says it's part of a growing and disturbing trend: terrorists organizations recruiting Americans.
So, joining us now are: Nasser Weddady, and the civil rights outreach director for the American Islamic Congress. He is the director.
And Steve Emerson, founder of the Investigative Project on Terrorism.
OK. So, Steve, this question is for you. Why are some Americans falling under the influence of extremists?
STEVE EMERSON, INVESTIGATIVE PROJECT ON TERRORISM: Well, I think there are several reasons. If we look at some of the youth, like Omar Hammami, who was only 26 years old, he was a white convert to Islam from Alabama. And it looks like, if we follow his path to radicalization, it came from the community of the Islamic community in which he grew up, as well as the Muslim Student Association of which he was president at his university.
So, in fact, it looks like the communal leaders didn't stop or actually encourage radicalism. Maybe not believing he would engage in terrorism. But that was the end-result of his belief that, somehow, the west had wronged Islam and he must avenge it.
LEMON: Hey, Steve, I want to actually show you some video. I want you to listen to this because, you know, it's good that you mentioned him. Let's play it and then we'll talk about it.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The only reason we're staying here, away from our families, away from the cities, away from, you know, ice, candy bars, all these other things, because we are willing to meet with the enemy.
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LEMON: Again, as you said, Omar, his name is Shakif -- no, I'm sorry Shafik Hammami.
So, listen, Nasr, are young people particularly at risk of being radicalized like this young man?
NASSER WEDDADY, AMERICAN ISLAMIC CONGRESS: I believe so, because young people in the United States, in particular, and in the West, don't have quite a healthy way to explore their Muslim identity. And we have to take into account the fact that there's a term we'll use in my office, we call it the mullah syndrome. The mullah syndrome consists of the fact that government law enforcement agencies and even civil society have come up somehow to this bizarre conclusion that in order to engage Muslims, you need to engage people with religious credentials, clerics, imams. And the problem there is that that even, in my opinion, makes the youth more vulnerable because, when the time comes for them to ask questions about their Muslim identity and how to engage it, I'm not sure that the healthiest message is the most spread around in the West.
So, yes, the youth are a particular risk of radicalization. And what is really important to retain here is that Muslim cultural identities are far more complex than simply to zoom in on focus on religion. You need to --
DON LEMON, CNN NEWS ANCHOR: Nasser, you think Western countries or citizens of Western countries doing something to make these young people feel alienated?
NASSER: No. The story is more complicated than simply shifting blame on one party. The fact is, when you're a young Muslim and you want to explore and engage your cultural identity, figure out what your place in society is, there's a big vacuum. and that vacuum oftentimes, unfortunately, is not filled by the healthiest and most positive influences that you and I would want our children to grow up around.
LEMON: Steve, I hear you're wanting to get in on this.
STEVE EMERSON, FOUNDER, INVESTIGATIVE PROJECT ON TERRORISM: Well, I sort of want to agree. Look, America is a nation of immigrants. And if we look at the last 20 years, they're immigrants from Mexico, South America, from Southeast Asia. the only ones who are engaged or actively engaged in carrying out acts of terrorism, not the only ones, I mean, we also have indigenous ones, but most of them have been young Muslims or Muslims who have lived in the United States. And that's because they surround themselves with a narrative that is reinforced by Islamic leaders, by the traditional Islamic community, which says, there is a conspiracy against Islam and you have to avenge it.
Unfortunately, the media and, in particular, I'll say "The New York Times," last week, portrayed eight imams as moderate because they produced a video saying they're against terrorism. In fact, on our web site, we showed that all eight imams had actually encouraged violence behind closed doors.
So, I think there is a deception being perpetrated in the belief that, somehow, these imams, who present themselves publicly to the media will portray themselves as moderate, but, in fact, behind closed doors, there's a lot more going on that's radicalizing them. And it's not the American government's fault or American culture's fault. It's the fault of the communal leaders for not stopping it.
LEMON: Hey, Nasser, I wish we had more time to talk about this but I'll give you the last word. What do you think of what Steve is saying?
WEDDADY: I believe that we need to take into consideration that many factors come to play here. First of all, in my opinion, the most important one is that we need to make a clear distinction between Islamist influences and the fact that, when you a young man now in America and you're not radicalized by any stretch of imagination, there's a lot of incentive and pressure on you to run away from your Muslim identity. One has to take that into factor and realize that, by us emphasizing on the role of religious leaders, on mosques, on imams, and somehow appointing them spokesmen for all of the community, we're actually aggravating things. We're not opening the space for others to come in, like we're doing on campuses throughout our project.
LEMON: OK.
WEDDADY: We're opening a space allowing young Muslims to explore and go back to that heritage that their parents and their forefathers practiced in their home countries. That heritage --
LEMON: Nasser? Nasser, I'm sorry.
WEDDADY: Yes, go ahead.
LEMON: I need you to finish your point because we're really out of time here. WEDDADY: Yes.
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WEDDADY: And the simple point that I -- I wanted to conclude with one thing, is that please stop emphasizing and focusing and appointing on us imams and clerics that, for all intents and purposes, appointed themselves by virtue of having the biggest bank account. There are other ways to explore the Muslim community and immunize the youth against radicalization.
LEMON: Nasser, with that --
WEDDADY: That has to be taken into account by the government.
LEMON: We appreciate your time. Thanks to both of you for joining us tonight.
EMERSON: Sure.
LEMON: All right.
A competition turns deadly when one of two finalists in the world sauna championship is apparently burned to death. The other finalist also suffered burns. We're talking to a doctor about the dangers of heat on your body.
And freed from prison after two years all because of the acceleration troubles with Toyota Camrys that made so much news this year. You'll hear from him.
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LEMON: Now, a really bizarre story to tell you about out of Finland that has everybody talking. A Russian finalist in the world sauna championship has died, apparently from severe skin burns from water heated to -- get this -- 230 degrees. The other finalist is in the hospital, being treated for burns. Contestants are required to withstand rising water temperatures for as long as possible. The competition was canceled and the Finish police are investigating. Organizers say all the rules were followed, though.
Joining us from Boston to talk about the effects of extreme heat on the body is Dr. Richard Zane, the vice chairman of the Department of Emergency Medicine at Harvard Medical School.
My first question to you is, why have this competition? Is there any sort of reason for this competition?
DR. RICHARD ZANE, VICE CHAIR, DEPARTMENT OF EMERGENCY MEDICINE, HARVARD MEDICAL SCHOOL: Why have any kind of competition like this? This is just a test of some type of an endurance. It doesn't prove any athleticism. It doesn't prove really anything, except how long someone can suffer the longest, essentially.
LEMON: OK, so you see no reason at all to have this just because it's a suffering competition, basically?
ZANEE: Essentially, it's how long can you be exposed to something that's extreme and possibly hurtful? How long can you stay under water and hold your breath the longest? How long can you be exposed to cold temperature the longest? And the person who wins, I guess, has that honor.
LEMON: It's the same as a polar bear competition in winter, to see the coldest. The same thing. It got all of us to talking. We heard here in the newsroom, 230 degrees. Everyone's like, gosh, almost cooking your body. What happens to your body under these sorts of extreme heat?
ZANE: You're exactly right. You are slow cooking the human body. The first response to extreme heat is for your body to try and dissipate that heat. So, it shunts a lot of blood to your skin and tissue so that heat goes off and you sweat. But at those types of temperatures, your body has very minimal ability to keep the core temperature normal. So you said it exactly correctly the first time. At those temperatures, those poor guys were slow cooked.
LEMON: Oh, my gosh. OK, so tell us, over time, how long does it take for your body to start going down or for you to start going down? I mean, I would imagine at that temperature, it's pretty quick.
ZANE: Well, everybody's a little bit different. And there are people who are more prone to developing heat illness and people who are less prone to developing heat illness. I fear an otherwise healthy person, at mid-adult age, the first thing you'll do is sweat profusely and your body will try and shunt blood to the skin so you can get rid of that heat. And then, eventually, you'll shunt blood from vital organs, from your brain and heart and kidneys and liver, and you'll go into multi-organ system failure.
In this case, in addition to those physiologic phenomena, they actually suffered full-thickness skin burns. And these are not burns like a blister from hot water or like a sunburn. These are through all the layers of the skin. So they were essentially going through all of those changes and being cooked at the same time.
LEMON: Oh, my gosh. Is it, I guess -- you know, we talked about the cold water ice competitions. These two do equally as bad of things on the body? One hot, one cold?
ZANE: Both are extremes and both can cause damage. And the body has compensatory mechanisms to combat cold and to combat heat. And the human body can only last so long under extreme conditions. and essentially, the body wants to maintain physiology. They want to maintain the same temperature. So essentially, the opposite happens for cold temperatures. Blood is shunted away from the skin to protect the core, really the opposite. But both can lead to death and multi- organ system damage.
LEMON: Dr. I have to run here, but I just wonder, long-term effects, any at all?
ZANE: I'm sorry, I didn't get that.
LEMON: Long-term effects on your body?
ZANE: I can't hear anything. I apologize.
LEMON: OK. Doctor Zane, can't hear us. I'll save that question. I'll ask him off camera.
Thank you, Dr. Zane. We appreciate it.
The drug violence in Mexico takes on a new twist.
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LEMON: It is cop versus cop in Juarez.
And walk down any city street and you'll likely to see them. But there's now a man working to recycle those discarded cigarette butts.
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LEMON: Let's check some of your top stories this hour.
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LEMON: It was a clash of blue against blue in Juarez, Mexico, ending with several officers getting hurt. Local media say 200 heavily armed federal officers gathered to protest a commander of a federal police force, saying he was working with drug cartels. The commander's supporters defended him. Mexican authorities say they have suspended four federal police commanders but it's not known if the commander in question is one of them.
Rescue teams are searching for more than 1,000 people who are missing in a massive landslide in northwestern China. At least 127 people were killed when torrential rains triggered flooding and mud slides that swept away homes and destroyed roads there. Dozens of people are hurt and some 45,000 others have been evacuated from the stricken area.
It's just what fire-plagued Russia doesn't need. Nearly 300 more wildfires have chopped up -- have cropped up, excuse me, in the drought-plagued country in the past 24 hours. According to the Emergencies Ministries (ph), mo than 500 wildfires are raging right now. At least 52 people have been killed and dozens are hospitalized. Adding to the woes, Moscow is choking in intense smog that stranded hundreds of air passengers.
Cigarette butts litter our city streets but a new idea could help make this trash a wanted commodity. CNN's Gary Tuchman has the story in today's "Edge of Discovery."
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LEMON: It was Tiger Woods' worst performance ever in a PGA tournament. 18 over par this weekend. Sports business analyst, Rick Horrow, is weighing the effect of Tiger's poor showing.
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LEMON: President Obama has had the White House to himself for the last few days with the first lady and the girls away on trips. And he's had what he jokingly called a real bachelor's weekend, playing golf, grilling on the South Lawn and hooping it up with some NBA greats. The president is hooping it up. He gets to deal with greats. Here he is with Chicago Bulls Wakim Noah and Derrick Rose. And joined the president along with players like Lebron James and Dwayne Wade, Magic Johnson, on the court. It's at Ft. McNair. They all went head to head in front of an audience of wounded servicemen. It sounded like a lot of fun.
Let's go now to Tiger Woods. This does not sound fun. Another low point today in this disappointing year for Tiger. He shot a 7 at the Firestone course in Ohio for his worst finish ever since he turned pro. At 18 over par, he beat only one player in the 80-man field.
Our sports business analyst, Rick Horrow, joins me via Skype.
Rick, what's going on with Tiger? What's up with Tiger?
RICK HORROW, CNN SPORTS BUSINESS ANALYST: Well, here's the thing. This is my official Tiger Woods driver cover, gold cover -- it's gone. I don't care anymore. The guy is 79th out of 80. The bottom line is his cue (ph) scores are the worst they've ever been. The companies that evaluate that say that 50 percent of the Americans don't like him anymore. 35 percent of sports fans don't like him either. He's tied with Kobe Bryant for the top spot for the top American-rated athlete. His Nintendo platform game, his woods game, 86 percent reduction in sales over the last year. It is absolutely incredible.
LEMON: Is there anything he can do? I guess, if he started winning again, I would imagine. But is there anything he can do to clean that up?
HORROW: Yes. Putt better, drive better --
LEMON: Got you.
HORROW: -- hit sand shots, curse a little less, be a little more forthcoming, be a little more contrite, be a little more apologetic. He's done some of that stuff already.
The bottom line is he still has a good lion's share of his career ahead of him. But he has to play well. Everybody's now talking about his major tournaments, the best two years are behind him. We go into a major, by the way, in Wisconsin at Whistling Straits starting this week. He still has one more shot this year. Let's see what happens.
LEMON: Yes, you're talking about -- the PGA, is that what you're talking about? The last tournament of the champion is next week so his endorsement money is down. What's it down? $22 million? What happens if he has a poor finish there? HORROW: $22 million. Frankly, his partners though, Nike and Upper Deck, all those companies have equity shares with him. It's not that easy to pull out of the relationships with him. But he has to play well. He's gone from the highest rating to the lowest rating faster than any other American athlete in history. Now all he's got to do is play better.
LEMON: Boy, Tiger. All right, Rick. Thank you. Always good to see you.
HORROW: All right. Next week.
LEMON: You can read Rick's -- go to our blog. You can check out Rick's blog, CNN.com/don.
It's the biggest hair show in the world. Today I got caught up in the action. Got a haircut, too. How did he do?
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LEMON: Time for news you may have missed throughout the week.
First up, a Minnesota man is enjoying his first weekend of freedom in more than two years after serving prison time for a deadly Toyota crash in 2006. A judge ordered the release of Koua Fong Lee on Thursday. Lee claimed his 1996 Camry was out of control when it crashed, killing three people. Prosecutors originally claimed he had his foot on the accelerator and Lee was sentenced to three years. The recent Toyota recall didn't include the 1996 Camry, but it was enough to get the court to re-examine his case. Now he's adjusting to life beyond the prison walls.
KOUA FONG LEE: Sometimes I dream, I wake up, still in that little room, but now my dream come true.
LEMON: The victim's family support Lee's release. They are now suing Toyota.
In Portland, Oregon, a county inspector ordered 7-year-old Julie Murphy to shut down her lemonade stand at an arts fair because she didn't have a restaurant license. Can you believe that? No. He threatened a $500 fine. I'm not kidding you. The whole episode caused an up roar, not surprisingly. But now everything seems to be settled. The county chairman has even called to apologize. Good.
Had a little fun today. With more than 60 years of tradition behind it, the Bronner Brothers International Hair Show brings in big hair, big crowds and big money. Today four of the five Bronner brothers took me around, showing me how this somehow crazily quaff (ph) has become a cultural phenomenon.
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NATHANIEL BRONNER JR, BRONNER BROTHERS INTERNATIONAL HAIR SHOW: They have a good time. But they spend a lot of money here.
LEMON: All because of hair?
BRONNER: All because of hair.
BERNARD BRONNER, BRONNER BROTHERS INTERNATIONAL HAIR SHOW: They've been supporting this for 63 years. And it's still growing.
LEMON: Recession proof.
BERNARD BRONNER: Well, my father always said the beauty business was recession proof. We're going to look good no matter what.
BRONNER: People will spend $4,000 or $5,000 on a hair style, which is high. I couldn't afford that, as a matter of fact.
JAMES BRONNER, BRONNER BROTHERS INTERNATIONAL HAIR SHOW: Favorite competition, I would say the fantasy competition because it really gets the creative juices going. There's no limit. You can have a whole outfit made out of hair, shoes made out of hair, just anything. Fish bowls on the head. I just like it because there's no limit.
LEMON: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's Avatar.
LEMON: That's your theme? Turn around.
I did that. I did a good job.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm the stylist.
LEMON: You did that?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes. I love it. I've been coming here almost 17 years.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Grab bag competition.
LEMON: Grab bag.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You grab the bag. You use everything in it. You create whatever look you want. I'm sure you can see they've chosen some beautiful girls.
LEMON: How much time do they have?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Roughly, I think about 45 minutes. The ones that place always have a concept. The concept can be a cartoon character. It can be a princess.
LEMON: I see everyone here, all different races, all nationalities. This is multi-ethnic, multi-cultural. This is the American melting pot.
BRONNER: Yes, and growing, yes.
(END VIDEOTAPE) LEMON: Boy, they make a lot of money. I had a lot of fun. Got a haircut. Thank you, J.D. for that.
I want to tell you guys, coming up this hour, 7:00 p.m. hour of the "NEWSROOM," we're going to have the competition winners so stick around.