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Loughner's Trial Will Likely Take Place Outside Arizona; Shocking New Photos of Loughner Posing With Gun; Golden Globe Fashion Will Feature Bold Colors; Tucson Moment of Silence Observed; New RNC Chairman; Arizona-Mexican Fence; Tunisia Protests

Aired January 15, 2011 - 12:00   ET

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: All right, we begin this hour with some very surprising new video that has been released of the Tucson shooting suspect Jared Loughner. He is sounding off a number of things including illiteracy and freedom of speech.

Our national correspondent Susan Candiotti joins me now from Tucson to help break this down, give us more about this tape.

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hello, Fredricka.

It is chilling. It is creepy. It's one thing to hear the words of suspect Jared Loughner and talk to his friends and classmates at Pima Community College about the things he has said in the past, it is another thing to hear these things in his own voice.

And you're about to do that now for the very first time. This is videotape that the suspect shot on campus himself, kind of a point of view as he's walking along and shooting his camera. You see him walking along the campus at night. You can hear some guitars playing in the background.

And take a look now. There's a picture, you can see a bit of a reflection of him in some glass doors as he's walking through them. Now he talks about a number of different things. You hear his laughter, you hear his anger. In this section he encounters one of his teachers and is angry about a grade that he received.

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JARED LOUGHNER, SHOOTING SUSPECT: How is it going? Thanks for the "B." I'm pissed off.

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CANDIOTTI: In other parts of the video, he even shows briefly a photograph of the campus police station and talks about, he says, "illegal activity" going on there. In another section, he talks about issues of constitutionality. Listen.

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LOUGHNER: All the teachers that you have are being paid illegally and have illegal authority over the Constitution of the United States under the First Amendment. This is genocide in America. Thank you. This is Jared from Pima College.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

CANDIOTTI: Now, this videotape was posted on YouTube. It was taken down last September. CNN has understood, from public records request, that this is one of the reasons the school gave for suspending him from college that led to a meeting with his parents and eventually, as you might recall, the suspect in this case, Loughner, decided to leave that Pima Community College of his own volition. He left on his own and never came back after the college told him the only way you can come back is if you have a note from your doctors saying you will not be a danger to yourself or to others. The videotape was obtained by "L. A. Times" after a public records request made to Pima Community College and that's how they got it -- Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: And I wonder, Susan, is Pima Community College confirming that was the teacher who had walked by at the beginning of that tape where you showed where Loughner allegedly said, that, you know, thanks for giving me the "B?"

CANDIOTTI: CNN has not been able to reach officials with Pima Community College as yet today. That's one thing that we're working on. In terms of the status of the suspect in this case, remember, he is being held in a federal detention center near Phoenix. We don't know for sure where he's being held, but usually people who are charged with the kinds of crime he is are held in a separate housing unit in isolation apart from other inmates, there. And we know he has a court hearing coming up on the 24th of this month.

WHITFIELD: All right, Susan Candiotti thanks so much from Tucson, appreciate that update.

Meanwhile Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords continues to recover from the wounds she suffered in last weekend's attack. Her husband says her condition has been improving every day. And doctors say she's making all the right moves.

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DR MICHAEL LEMOLE, NEUROLOGIST, UMC: Her eyes, that we described being open, that kind of occurrence is more frequent at this time and we can even think that she is beginning to carry out more complex sequences of events, more complex sequences of activity in response to our commands or even spontaneously. So, we're very encouraged that she's continuing to make all the right moves in the right direction.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WHITFIELD: Giffords is one of four people still being hospitalized after the rampage and the only one in critical condition. The other three are listed in good condition.

The youngest victim, of course, was 9-year-old Christina Green. Her funeral mass was held Thursday and her father says that's when the family learned some of her organs were donated to a little girl in Boston. He told our Susan Candiotti he and his wife would like to meet that little girl someday to, "Give her a big hug."

And moment of silence is scheduled in just a few moments at the Tucson supermarket that was the site of last weekend's shooting. The store actually reopened today. CNN Thelma Gutierrez is there.

THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Fred, I can tell you, it is a very emotional scene out here in front of that Safeway store. There are dozens of people who gathered here as the store reopens its doors after seven days. Right behind me, Fred, you can see a memorial that has been erected outside of the Safeway store. Behind all of those people, employees and shoppers are flowers and candles and ribbons, things that people have brought to the store to remember the victims of last week's carnage.

All the people that you see who are walking out to that area, their backs to us right now, are gathering for a moment of silence that will take place at 10:10 this morning. That's the exact time that the folks here heard the first shots ring out. You can see people from the meat department and various other departments, here in Safeway, who joined their customers. You can you hear them sobbing in the background, as well. Very emotional out here right now.

WHITFIELD: And so Thelma, a number of people who there last Saturday, who worked at the supermarket, have many of them returned? And if so, have they been willing to speak?

GUTIERREZ: Fred, many of those people who were who are last week, who worked here last week, are back at work today. They said it was very important for them to be able to walk through the front door where all carnage took place and to resume some type of normalcy in their lives.

Now, I can tell you that I was in the store a few moments ago. It's interesting to see that a table was set up for customer who wanted to speak with local ministers who were volunteering their time to come and talk to those customers. There are also counselors for employees returning back to work who are returning back to work. Safeway said that they wanted to make sure that the employees had every opportunity to work out some of their feelings -- Fred.

WHITFIELD: Thelma Gutierrez, thanks so much there in Tucson. So in just about four minutes or so will be that moment of silence.

Meantime, we're going to talk politics now. Michael Steele now out as chairman of the Republican National Committee. Steele was plagued by controversy and criticism even though he presided over the GOP -- over the midterm elections as the GOP regained control of the House. Wisconsin GOP chairman, Reince Priebus has been elected the new chairman. Priebus says one of his first tasks will be retiring more than $21 million in debt from last year's election. Coming up we'll examine what this change in leadership means for the GOP.

And the U.S. is scrapping its $1 billion virtual security fence along the Arizona-Mexican border. Homeland Security secretary, Janet Napolitano, says the high-tech surveillance system has experienced technical problems, scheduled delays and cost overruns since its inception in 2005. The administration's new plan will be tailored to specific regions, using drones, mobile surveillance and thermal imaging. It will also include successful elements of the old system, like optical sensor towers. CNN's Anderson Cooper talked to former Bush Homeland Security adviser and CNN national security contributor, Frances Townsend.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN NEWS ANCHOR: The virtual fence, though, it couldn't effectively police 53 miles of a 2,000 mile border. Janet Napolitano, though, says she wants to still use some of this technology from this fence going forward. Is that a good idea?

Well, the problem -- she says that, Anderson, but there's nothing in the statement, there's no specifics. What we do know is we've gotten a lot more experience based on our troops being in Afghanistan or Iraq in very difficult terrains about how to use technologies to supplement and to support people on the ground. Hopefully we're going to bring those technologies to be on our southwest border, but her statement doesn't say that and so people are going to be rightly skeptical having frankly wasted almost a billion dollars. Why should we have more confidence? I think the department I going to have to prove to Congress and the American people that they now know how to effectively manage these programs and spend tax dollars.

WHITFIELD: All right, meantime Senator Joe Lieberman, who chairs the Senate Homeland Security Committee praised Napolitano's decision. He says the administration's new tailored approach is wiser and hopefully more cost effective.

And now we're just a couple minutes away from that moment of silence that will be taking place in Tucson at the supermarket where that shooting took place last Saturday. Thelma Gutierrez is there and joining us one more time -- Thelma.

GUTIERREZ: Fred, I can tell you that there are now probably about 200 people who have gathered here out in front of the Safeway. Many are employees and others are shoppers. Now, they made an announcement on the P.A. system in the Safeway and they said if you would like to go and observe that moment of silence, you're welcome to come to the memorial, which is right outside of the store. If we pan right over, you can see where this large group of people happen to be right now. Beyond that, Fred, are flowers and candles and ribbons, things that people have brought here to the Safeway to remember the victims of last week's massacre.

WHITFIELD: Will there be anyone just proceeding or even after that moment of silence, Thelma, speaking?

GUTIERREZ: I asked management what their plan was and they said that they were just going to go with the flow, so to speak. They wanted to see how many people would be in attendance. I don't think, Fred, that they expected this many people to come out, but they're planning on that moment, right now, so we'll observe.

WHITFIELD: Will there be anyone just proceeding after that moment of silence, speaking? GUTIERREZ: I asked management what their plan was. They said they were just going to go with the flow, so to speak. They wanted to see how many people will be in attendance. I don't think, Fred, they expected this many people to come out, but they are planning on that moment right now, so we'll observe.

Fred, one thing that has been interesting to observe out here in front of the Safeway are all the employees of Safeway and their customers, people who know each other, who feel that they have some kind of a bond all hugging right now, many sobbing, remembering what happened last week and this is something that we've noticed all day today. Well, we were inside the store, people were coming up and hugging the cashiers and telling them that they were sorry and there was a lot of tears. It was a very emotional thing to witness -- Fred.

WHITFIELD: So at around this time, exactly this time, one week ago, people there in observance for what took place there when the suspect, Jared Loughner, opened fire shooting 20 people, six of them fatally being wounded and now we understand four people are continuing to be in the hospital, including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords. Thelma Gutierrez, thanks so much for that moment of silence being observed there outside the Safeway store where the tragedy took place exactly one week ago at this hour.

Thirty years on the lam, now his luck has run out. A fugitive is finally arrested after breaking out of prison three decades ago.

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WHITFIELD: President Obama is urging calm in Tunisia the close U.S. ally in North Africa is having to form a new government and after weeks of street protests, its president of 23 years has fled to Saudi Arabia with his family. Tunisia's parliament speaker has been sworn in as interim president and he's calling for new elections in 60 days. Our senior international correspondent, Ben Wedeman is in the capital of Tunis and he joins us right now by phone. So, what is happening on the streets there today -- Ben.

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, at the moment, Fredricka, very little, because the dusk to dawn curfew went into place about an hour and 15 minutes ago. During the day, I saw people were going out to stock up on supplies, but many of the bakeries in the capital are closed. Many of the stores are closed, so they, some of them went back empty handed. In the main boulevards of the capital, there are tanks and armored personnel carriers on almost every corner. There have been instances of looting in some parts of the city. The army and police are trying to maintain or restore order and calm. A lot of people are simply staying at home because the situation is so unpredictable. Now, we do have what appears to be the formation of a new government, but it's not clear really who is running the show, the army, the police or is it the civilian politicians. Not clear at this point.

WHITFIELD: And Ben, I know you said most residents are staying indoors, but I don't know if you've had a chance to talk with many residents, those not been out on the streets protesting, and whether they like the idea, they support the idea of the new government or if it makes them nervous.

WEDEMAN: I didn't find anybody who was unhappy with the fact that the old autocratic ruler of the country, Ben Ami has left. Everybody was happy with that. They blamed him for widespread corruption, unemployment and a variety of other issues. The new government people are not sure, as I said, they are not sure whether the civilians are really in charge or it's the army, the police who have simply just brushed aside an unpopular dictator and will appoint somebody in his place.

Yesterday we saw there was quite a lot of excitement and joy over the fact the old president was gone. But what I saw today and speaking with people, it has to some extent been replaced by the worry about potential for chaos spreading throughout the country.

WHITFIELD: Ben Wedeman, thanks so much for that update.

Meantime it's time to cross-country, here. Looking at some of the stories our affiliates are covering, now. A substitute teacher in Florida faces child abuse charges after an incident in a classroom. William Amory is accused of hurting a group of second graders. A police report says he got angry while trying to operate some equipment, then threw the remote and cursed and punched and pushed the students. Amory's attorney says his client was the target of out of control students and was trying to maintain order.

Also in Florida, a fugitive is back in custody after 30 years on the run. Authorities say Ian McDonald faked a heart attack in 1980 while being held in south Florida. At the time he was awaiting extradition to Canada on drugs charges.

Chaotic scenes in Aurora, Colorado now, after a bank robbery, there. Police say two heavily armed men walked into the bank and disarmed the security guard. Someone in the bank alerted police and as the men were leaving, officers chased them down an alley. One of the suspects was shot, the other was arrested a few blocks away.

All right, now more on that change of leadership on the Republican National Committee. Michael Steele, he's out, voluntarily and Reince Priebus is in. Priebus is the head of the Republican Party in Wisconsin. Joining us right now to tell us why Steele decided to boot himself, before being booted, I guess, and what Priebus brings to the table, political analyst Jason Johnson is here with us.

First let's talk about Steele. I mean, he felt the heat that he was not going to get the numbers and then he said, you know what, I dismiss myself.

JASON JOHNSON, CNN POLITICAL ANALYST: You know, Michael Steele has this really interesting relationship with the RNC, like all he's done is win. I mean, since he came into office, they have won governor's mansions, they did well in the 2010 midterms, but there have always been people who were unhappy with them, so rather than go through the embarrassment of being kicked out, he decided to take himself out of the race and leave whatever problems the RNC has to the new guy. WHITFIELD: Should I be surprised, though, because doesn't he seem quite steely, so to speak. Now, you know, he is like Teflon, he has been taking it whether it's criticism or whether it's accolades for a long time, now, and that he would acquiesce and step down, that doesn't seem like his character, or the character of the man that we've gotten to know over the past few years.

JOHNSON: It's not that surprising. You know, Michael Steele has always been surprising people and that's why the RNC was so unhappy with him. You saw right after the midterm elections his first interview, he said, look, you know, this wasn't really a victory for us, this was the public being angry. There's no more honest man in America than the man who knows he's losing his job. So Michael Steele recognized this a long time ago, and backed out. I think, but he does have a future, maybe not in the Republican Party, but certainly in Washington.

WHITFIELD: And what do we know about Priebus?

JOHNSON: What we know about Priebus is he's got the two things that the RNC really wants, right now. He is an insider, he's been part of the 168 committee and he turned a blue state red. And that's what the Republicans are going to need to win in 2012, I mean, he got rid of Russ Feingold and that's the kind of thing Republicans hope will project whatever their candidates are in 2012 into the White House.

WHITFIELD: And so, I wonder if we can look ahead, even to the week, because now we hear the Republicans are saying we're ready to get back to business and Congress. Boehner, who had been leading the effort to say let's vote for this repeal of health care, but because of the Tucson tragedy, put that on the back burner. But, now many Republicans are saying next week it's time to get back to business.

JOHNSON: Priebus will be much more low profile when this is going on in Washington, D.C. The Republicans have $20 million in debt. He's not even doing interviews. He's answering the phone right now trying to get to more money. So, I think Republicans are going to move forward with their agenda, they're going to try and reform and get rid of health care reform and push to improve jobs in this country, but Priebus has to get the finances great or they're not going to be good for next year.

WHITFIELD: He's talking about retiring of the $20 million debt.

JOHNSON: Yes.

WHITFIELD: Interesting terminology.

JOHNSON: Yeah, you know, that's the term that you use when you don't know how to pay it and they've got bills due in February.

WHITFIELD: All right, Jason Johnson, good to see you. Hopefully we'll see you more on the weekends, joining us, right?

JOHNSON: Most definitely.

WHITFIELD: All right, good to see you, thanks so much.

All right, December's unemployment rate, well, it was at its lowest level in more than 18 months, so who is getting hired and where? Christine Romans reports, now.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right, good afternoon, everyone.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Here at the January meeting of the Job Success Club, job seekers aren't feeling a recovery just yet.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, it's a start.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good experience.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

LEN GARRISON, CAREER COACH, RUTGERS UNIVERSITY: A lot of people talk about how the market's getting better, but really, what happens is for each person, it's very personal.

ROMANS: Members of this group at Rutgers include a business analyst with 15 years of experience, a dual engineering major laid off last spring, a recently graduated geography major.

(on camera): People are getting hired. We're not -- we're not creating enough jobs. But people are getting hired. Who's getting hired?

TIG GILLIAM, CEO, ADECCO: The more education you have, the better. And that's true in this job market, even more so than it was only five years ago. So, it's the finance and accounting skills, the IT, skills, the engineering skills, which greatly improve your chances of finding a job.

ROMANS (voice-over): It's leisure and hospitality and health care, too. Those fields saw the biggest growth last month, but regardless of field, many job seekers say the toughest part is just getting a foot in the door.

SAM CHACKO, JOB SEEKER: The challenge for me, at least, it's been -- I know I have the skills but it's kind of frustrating because I don't know how to market myself to get employers to notice me.

ROMANS: And that's just what the members of the Job Success Club hope to figure out.

GARRISON: I mean, the goal of the Job Club is I'm the only person left. That would be the ideal dream that I'm the only person sitting in the room.

Be really -- be really focused.

ROMANS: Christine Romans, CNN, New York. (END VIDEOTAPE)

WHITFIELD: The outlook is pretty good for the member of the job success club. The unemployment rate among college graduates with a bachelor's degree or higher is just about five percent as compared to 9.4 percent, overall.

He is 22 years old and behind bars possibly for the rest of his life. Our legal guys are ready to weigh in about the case against the Tucson shooting suspect.

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WHITFIELD: A quick check now of the top stories, then we'll talk to our legal guys about a host of cases.

A dramatic power shift for the U.S. ally, the longtime president of Tunisia is out, he fled the north African country after weeks of protest. The army is now patrolling the streets. The head of parliament is acting president. New elections are scheduled in 60 days.

And it's hard to forget these pictures. Two years ago today Captain Chesley "Sully" Sullenberger safely landed a crippled U.S. Airways jetliner on the Hudson River without anyone getting seriously hurt.

And an Idaho woman who split the second largest lottery jackpot in U.S. history may have to split her winnings again. Holly Alfred's (ph) Mega Million ticket worth about $190 million. She reportedly has never gotten divorced from her estranged husband and he says he wants half. He's going to pursue that portion of her winnings.

All right, a week after police say he opened fire on a political event in Tucson, Arizona, Jared Lee Loughner is behind bars and facing a number of federal charges. Plenty to talk about with our legal guys. Civil rights attorney, Avery Friedman in Cleveland and criminal defense attorney, Richard Herman in Las Vegas.

Good to see you, gentlemen.

RICHARD HERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTY: Welcome back Fredricka.

AVERY FRIEDMAN, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTY: Welcome back.

WHITFIELD: Well thanks so much. It has been such a long time. We got to stop doing this.

FRIEDMAN: It has. Absolutely.

WHITFIELD: Way too long. All right, good to see you all. So, Jared Loughner is facing five counts including first degree murder, and attempted assassination of a Congress member and now he's got a well- known kind of roving public defender. So I wonder, first order of business for this public defender, Avery, might it be to try to push for some sort of insanity plea or instead try to avoid a death penalty as a potential sentence if her client is convicted? FRIEDMAN: Yeah, it's actually the latter. A lot of people think it's the former that she's preparing an insanity defense, but the best thing she can do, and she's done it before, this is what Judy Clark does, Fredricka, is she's going to be working with the U.S. Attorney's Office, the Department of justice, in trying to convince them not to pursue death sentence counts.

WHITFIELD: What would that reason then, would it need to be supported? It need to be supported with a reason, you don't want this client to be facing death penalty because? What would that because be, dot, dot, dot.

FRIEDMAN: Yeah, the cause, is there's sufficient evidence about this defendant that would essentially tell the Department of Justice you're never going to get the conviction in the first place, don't waste your time.

WHITFIELD: Really?

FRIEDMAN: That effort is going to be made. It's not going to be successful, Fredricka. There are going to be five counts, they will include two of the five will be death penalty counts.

WHITFIELD: Well, that's interesting. So, Richard, why even make that kind of argument, because It seems there, at least what we have learned publicly there is evidence including the writings of Mr. Loughner saying, you know, that I planned this, using the word "assassination," using the word "Giffords." Darn, that seems like the nail in the coffin for him right there on conviction.

HERMAN: Yeah. It's kind of tough in an insanity plea where...

WHITFIELD: In addition to eyewitness accounts, too.

HERMAN: You claim you didn't know what you were doing or you could not appreciate the nature of your acts when they find in his house the representative's name with assassination attempt OKed or in action right now, or approved. You know, that's no good. But what has to happen here is this, both federally and on a state level, they should announce that they are moving for the death penalty. They should do that as quick as possible. That will then force this defendant and his attorney to have serious negotiations to try to resolve it and prevent the death penalty yet plead guilty to the crimes, here.

Now, understand something, in Arizona -- by the way, there's a state death penalty case and a federal death penalty case, two cases being brought against this guy. However, if he gets convicted -- if say, the insanity plea worked in the state in Arizona, what would happen is he would be sentenced to life. He would first go to a mental facility to try to treat him and if he ever recovered from his mental illness, he would then be put in prison for the rest of his life. So, either way he's gone. The question, as Avery said, and as we're going to be talking about in the future is whether or not this attorney can save his life. That's the issue, here -- Fred.

WHITFIELD: So, I wonder if judges already, and not if, but that judges in Arizona have already recused themselves from this case. Clearly this means a change of venue for this trial to play out, Avery, but what states, what American, what judicial system hasn't already formed an opinion, or at least been able to watch in graphic detail all that has played out in Arizona, in Tucson?

FRIEDMAN: Yes. That's a wonderful observation because the sense would be a venue change would be absolutely necessary, because of the sense of the citizens in Tucson. The reality is exactly what you just said. Everyone in America, unless you're living under a rock, is very much aware of every detail. The behavior was so overt, it was so flagrant, that whatever venue is selected, if it's out of Tucson, that's a question, that's a question, clearly the defense is going to face the same kind of problem because the pervasive nature of the visibility of the case. So, it remains to be seen. There is a good shot. It would be outside of Tucson. Where it goes, you nailed the issue. No one really will be able to tell.

WHITFIELD: Interesting. Just last weekend I spoke with Pennsylvania's Representative Brady, who talked about proposing legislation to ban targets, the symbol of targets, crosshairs, on websites, et cetera. How can you enforce that? Is this an issue of constitutionality, Avery, I defer to you, constitutional law expert? Will this end up being an argument of constitutionality? Can you do that? Can you ban an image on websites or anywhere else?

FRIEDMAN: No. No, you can't. It's understood. The best intentions reaching into the heart. The reality is a general rule and vigorous nasty debate, political debate, that sort of behavior is clearly constitutional. Now, the question becomes, where does it go over the line? That's the fact question. But the on its face, banning targets in political discourse is overtly and clearly unconstitutional. It's going nowhere.

WHITFIELD: Interesting. OK. All right, gentlemen. We're going to talk to you again. Richard, I know you have strong opinions about one of the cases you're talking about. I know you're a huge L.T. fan, Lawrence Taylor.

FRIEDMAN: Is he still?

WHITFIELD: I'm not going to say it. I know it hurts, but we are going to talk about the case and the turn it has taken, plus a few other things. Avery and Richard, good to see you. See you again in a few minutes.

Meantime, the Golden Globes they are handed out tomorrow night. The awards will have to share the spotlight with a fashion per usual, preview, after the break.

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All right. It's glitz and glam time for Hollywood as the award season kicks off with the 68th Annual Golden Globes ceremony. That begins tomorrow. Sunday Beverly Hills will roll out its red carpet and the world will watch as celebrities flaunt their finest. And this year we're honored to have a special guest to walk us through the fashions you are expected to see tomorrow.

Hal Rubenstein is the fashion director for "In-Style" magazine. He's joining us from Los Angeles via Skype.

Hal, good to see you. Welcome.

HAL RUBENSTEIN, FASHION DIRECTOR, "IN-STYLE": Good morning.

WHITFIELD: Thank you so much for being with us.

RUBENSTEIN: My pleasure.

WHITFIELD: It's difficult to predict who is going to be wearing what, et cetera, if there's a trend, some years it is all about color, sometimes it is all about the neutrals, a little extra fluff and all that good stuff. So, what might be the trend to watch out for tomorrow, the ladies fashion?

RUBENSTEIN: I think what could be most dominant, and simply because that's what we saw for last fall, and for resort and coming spring, it really is the strongest season for color in memory. This is not-I'm not saying no one will wear a black dress. But if you do wear a black dress, it better be sensational. This is not the season for black. When I say color, too, I don't mean pastel pink or ice green, it's big, bold, solid color. It's fuchsia, mustard, melon, bright green. It's really the season for that.

WHITFIELD: Interesting. The judgments won't just be made on the artist, the actresses, the stars who are all glammed up, but really on the designers. So the pressure is on for a lot of these designers.

RUBENSTEIN: It's funny, though, because a lot of designers in Europe, in fact, are involved in men's' shows right now as we speak, there's a real sort of tug-of-war, a lot of difficulty. Because designers want to do special things for the actresses, but it is not always possible. It's really been more than any-more than usual, a real mad scramble to get these dresses this season.

WHITFIELD: When you think about some of the ladies who are up for nominations and you think about what kind of fashion statements they have made in the past. Natalie Portman always seems to be a real class act, and also Mila Kunis is also up for an award. What are your expectations for certain artists? Are you expecting some to be guaranteed big hits on the red carpet?

RUBENSTEIN: The advantage of the Golden Globes is that, you know, the Oscars nominate 10 women for best actress, best supporting, because the mix of splitting up drama and comedy and because of the inclusion of television, there are 35 actresses nominated. So it's for fashion people, this is a cavalcade, this is incredible. I think most viewers will not have seen Nicole Kidman in "Rabbit Hole" or Halle Berry in "Frankie and Alice". These are two women, I don't want to say old guard because I don't want to insult the two lovely ladies.

WHITFIELD: We stay away from the word "old". RUBENSTEIN: These are the women we have come to love on the red carpet. Now there are so many new people, Jennifer Lawrence, Natalie Portman, Mila Kunis, Michelle Williams, these young people that are really attracting an awful lot of attention. And especially the young ones who really aren't afraid to take a risk. I think that's one of the reasons why Natalie Portman gets so much attention. The difference between the red carpet, I think, and a real fashion show is that real fashion shows are about the unexpected. As much as we say we want to see the unexpected, I think people come to this with a kind of preconceived notion of what Hollywood glamour is. When they get surprised they sometimes don't react very well.

WHITFIELD: That's interesting.

RUBENSTEIN: I think (AUDIO GAP) I think Natalie.

WHITFIELD: Sorry.

RUBENSTEIN: (AUDIO GAP) I think Natalie takes these risks. That's a great thing.

WHITFIELD: We've seen a if you shots of her in that beautiful magenta and then of course wearing the black. We know nobody will be wearing black. We just saw a second ago, Angelina Jolie wearing black. Let's bring it onto the accessories. Because Angelina, if you remember that, she had those dynamite emerald earrings on.

RUBENSTEIN: These (INAUDIBLE) emeralds, yes.

WHITFIELD: That was killer, killer, killer. Talk about the accessories, the jewelry, if that's doing to make a big statement on the red carpet, too.

RUBENSTEIN: Jewelry always does. In fashion right now, it is a kind of cleaner moment in terms of accessories. I was talking to a couple of accessory designers who don't want to be attributed to now because they don't want to blow their chances for certain people.

WHITFIELD: Oh.

RUBENSTEIN: But I think this year because of the dress, I won't say you won't see accessories because they are so much fun and I certainly hope we do. And that's what "In-Style" is all about. But I think because the dress-you can either have a jewelry that dominates or dresses that dominate. I think because this is such a big season for impactful fashion, I think the dress is really going to be front and center and the jewelry may take a back seat. What people are into right now, very much I think those emeralds last year on Angelina Jolie really did spark a trend of really big stones.

WHITFIELD: I still remember it. It was jaw dropping. I remember that moment thinking oh, my gosh, those are the most beautiful emeralds earrings I've ever seen.

RUBENSTEIN: Yes, 30, 35 carat emeralds, they were amazing. WHITFIELD: Killer stuff. Well, we don't want to leave out the dudes. The men have to look good, too. A lot goes into these statements, of these tuxes. Sometimes making it so fashion forward it almost doesn't look like a tux anymore. What should we expect?

RUBENSTEIN: I don't think (AUDIO GAP) is a guy's night. I don't think you can go too far. The funny thing you talk about, you know, who looked great? And what guy looked great last night and people will George Clooney looked great, or John Hamm looked great. Brad Pitt looked great, the reality is if they showed up in a sweatshirt, you wouldn't care.

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WHITFIELD: No fair.

RUBENSTEIN: A guy looks great when a guy looks, great, when he's handsome. They don't really care that much about their tuxedos.

WHITFIELD: So unfair. It does matter when they have a beautiful accessory on their arm, got to look super great all the time.

RUBENSTEIN: Absolutely.

WHITFIELD: Hal Rubenstein, good to see you, "In Style" fashion director. You're going to be busy tomorrow but have so much fun. Thanks so much.

RUBENSTEIN: Oh, yes. You're welcome.

WHITFIELD: We're going to talk to legal guys again. We have a lot going on, celebrities in court. Michael Jackson's doctor, a football Hall of Famer accused of rape, and a one-time powerful force in Congress. Our legal guys are ready to weigh in.

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WHITFIELD: All right. More than a year and a half after Michael Jackson died his doctor has been ordered to stand trial. Our legal guys are back with us. Civil rights attorney Avery Friedman in Cleveland, and criminal defense attorney Richard Herman in Las Vegas.

Richard, you first. The judge not only said there will be a trial for involuntary manslaughter, but oh, by the way I'm revoking your license to practice in California. That is fair to do that before there's an outcome for the trial?

HERMAN: You know, Fred, I don't think it is fair.

FRIEDMAN: What?

HERMAN: I think this judge has already tipped his hand, his bias. I don't think it's fair. I think the judge has tipped his hand to his bias in the case. What happened to innocent until proven guilty? Why don't they wait until after the trial to see if there is a conviction here before they go after his license? Or let the licensing authorities conduct internal hearings and try to a take his license. Why does this judge have the right to automatically strip his license before a final adjudication? It's wrong. He's admitted in two other states. Those states are not going to automatically strip his license. They are going to take each case individually and not do it. This was a bad move by the judge. It was improper.

WHITFIELD: OK. Can he contest that, Dr. Murray?

HERMAN: Yes, he can contest it, but it's going nowhere.

WHITFIELD: Avery, you don't agree with that?

FRIEDMAN: Absolutely not. That was exactly the right thing to do. Every medical board, the standard in terms of revocation of a license or suspense is reliable probative evidence. You get a transcript of that preliminary hearing, I don't know why or how this guy is practicing medicine in the first place. The judge did absolutely the right thing based on existing evidence. I don't think the judge tipped his hand at all. Revocation of a license suspension and trying this case where the prosecution has the burden of proof, beyond a reasonable doubt, apples and oranges, right thing happened.

WHITFIELD: OK.

HERMAN: How about due process, Avery, how about that?

FRIEDMAN: There was due process. His lawyers had an opportunity to cross-examination during that preliminary hearing and elected not to do so. I understand why but that's their choice. That's due process.

WHITFIELD: You guys argue, unbelievably well in front of the camera. I can only imagine what happens in the courtroom. So phenomenal.

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Let's talk about L.T., Lawrence Taylor. I know, Richard, you're a huge fan and you are heartbroken. We're talking about now he changed his tune, he is now pleading guilty to two misdemeanor charges of statutory rape, a 16-year-old girl. Remember, emphatically, initially when he was arrested he said, no way, I didn't know she was 16, this didn't happen, et cetera. Now he's changed his tune. Is it because he's getting six years probation and had he gone forward with the trial it would have cost more and most definitely jail time?

HERMAN: Yes. Had he been convicted of the felony charges and he would have gone to prison. So, his lawyers just babbling like a contestant on "Judge Judy" or something, so amateur hour.

But I have to tell you something, Fred. The greatest linebacker in the history of pro football, it's so sad, his cousin we saw in the videotape before we came on with your of that rat climbing up the guy's body in the subway. That's L.T.'s cousin. That's what he did.

WHITFIELD: Oh, my god.

HERMAN: That's the only way he prevented himself from going to prison, he became a rat. He went undercover. He worked with the authorities to try to go after other people, and that saved him. He was guilty. The woman came to his room. She was 16. He paid her. He had sex with her. That's statutory rape. To avoid prison, he cut this sweetheart deal. He's not going to prison. He's going to register as a sex offender, six-year probation. They are going to give him lie detector tests.

FRIEDMAN: How in the world are you criticizing-hold on-why are you criticizing the defense team? This is a spectacular resolution.

HERMAN: He's a rat, that's why.

FRIEDMAN: The prosecution has a deal with issues of human trafficking, which is a major national problem in New York, the fact he's cooperating with authorities, you might call turning him into a rat, I think that's exactly what he should be doing. He should be down on his knees being thankful for that resolution. The defense team did a good job. Believe me if it were any other schmoe, walking down the street, they' be in the penitentiary. L.T. because of his celebrity status walks away.

WHITFIELD: Wow.

FRIEDMAN: That's not fair by the way. Not fair.

WHITFIELD: That's tough. Tough says Tom DeLay , the former House leader. He says, you know what, his three-year sentence he was just hammered with, he said too much. He's going to fight this all the way. He could have gotten 10 years, Avery. On what grounds will he say three years is too much of this is for conspiracy to submit money laundering, by the way?

FRIEDMAN: And money laundering, Fredricka, both of them. The interesting thing is he blamed it on liberals. There were 33 witnesses -

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WHITFIELD: The judge is liberal, the jury.

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FRIEDMAN: This was fairly much of a slam-dunk and he blames it on liberals. Look, if you look at Tom DeLay, if you look at Duke Cunningham, multi-year sentences, it could have been much more serious. The district attorney asked for more. This is a very thoughtful, reasoned sentence, it is going to be confirmed in the court of appeals.

WHITFIELD: Will he try to fight this? I mean he says he wants to fight it. What recourse would he have? I mean you go through the appellate process, sometimes that takes years -- well, I'm not recommending it. Seems like if the appellate process takes a couple years and your sentence is three years, would it bode well, in his favor, to even try to appeal? HERMAN: Fred, please. Fred, this is political partisanship on the sentence. Every similarly situated defendant in Texas got probation for this stuff. Aside from that, aside there that, Fred, he's absolutely going to win on appeal. You can take it to the bank.

FRIEDMAN: What?

HERMAN: The appellate court in Texas has already ruled that in order for it to be money laundering, it must be cash, not checks. In this case they could only prove checks. Therefore he is 100 percent doing to win on appeal.

FRIEDMAN: Wow!

HERMAN: His conviction is going to be reversed.

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FRIEDMAN: One hundred percent win it on appeal?

HERMAN: One hundred percent, guarantee it, Avery. Under the law he's going to win.

FRIEDMAN: Wow? OK?

HERMAN: There's precedent. The appellate court in Texas has already ruled on this. Look, I'm not a fan of his, but you know what, he has every right to be boasting about the win. Because he's going win on appeal.

WHITFIELD: This is why I love you guys. I learned so much. Who knew it would make a difference between the check and the cash. I can always guarantee I'm going to be a little smarter in the noon hour because of you.

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FRIEDMAN: Right.

WHITFIELD: I love it. Richard, Avery, always good to see you. Thanks so much. See you next weekend. Hopefully we'll all be here.

FRIEDMAN: We missed you, Fred.

WHITFIELD: Oh, thank you so much.

HERMAN: Not the same without you, Fred.

WHITFIELD: Thank you. Good to see you. Take care. See you next weekend.

All right. We're going to move forward now with some developing news coming out of Tucson. Here we are one week after that tragic shooting. Susan Candiotti joins us now with this information, Susan.

SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Fredricka. Yet another disturbing detail about the suspect in this case, Jared Loughner.

A law enforcement source tells CNN that Loughner photographed himself wearing, listen to this-wearing a red G-string that night in the hours before the shooting. He was wearing this red G-string and also holding a 9 millimeter gun. That is the same kind of gun used in the shooting according to police. The gun was posed in such a way as to cover his private area. This was discovered after Loughner, that very night, before the shooting took a role of 35 millimeter film to a Walgreen's to have it developed and picked it up a short time later.

When, according to police, the employee saw the disk of photographs, that employee contacted the police who in turn turned over the disk to the FBI and now it's part of this investigation.

Fredricka, yet another, as I said, disturbing detail here.

WHITFIELD: Susan Candiotti in Tucson, thanks so much for that.

We'll have much more on the newsroom right after this.

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WHITFIELD: A look at our Political Ticker after these top stories.

Firs, there was a moment of silence today at the site of Tucson's Arizona shootings. A gunman killed six people attending a meeting with Representative Gabrielle Giffords, at a Safeway supermarket last Saturday. The supermarket reopened today. And 13 people were wounded in last week's attack including Representative Giffords. She is still in critical condition. Six people were killed. Doctors say Ms. Giffords' condition is improving. She continues to make progress.

A government panel is recommending, in a draft report, that women in the U.S. military be allowed to serve in direct combat. The panel includes senior active duty and retired military officers. It's the same group that recommended the repeal of "don't ask, don't tell."

A new Miss America will walk the stage this evening. The pageant is held in Las Vegas, of course. Among other things the winners gets a $50,000 scholarship. Miss Virginia Carissa Cameron is the current Miss America who will be handing over the crown tonight.

All right. After last week's Arizona shootings, President Barack Obama and some prominent Republicans are calling for a new approach to politics. A CNN Political Update next.

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WHITFIELD: Time now for "CNN Equals Politics" update. Here's the latest from the best from the best political team on television.

President Barack Obama used his weekly media address to call for bipartisanship. He says that in the wake of the Arizona shootings Congress should come together to reach bipartisan decisions on job creation, the budget and reducing the deficit.

Arizona Senator Jeff Blake offered similar cements in the Republican address. He said that while members of Congress may not agree on everything, they are bound together by a sacred oath to defend the constitution.

And former Florida Governor Jeb Bush is calling for a restoration of civility across the political spectrum. Bush the son and the brother of former presidents says that you don't have to personalize your disagreements if your ideas have merit.

Coming up in the 2:00 Eastern hour, our financial guest will be telling us why budgeting is the new black.

"YOUR MONEY" starts right now.