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How to Find the Cheapest Gas; Tracking Your Tax Dollars; Tracking A Serial Killer; Ron Artest Tackles His Anger; New Details From Inside the Van Suicide-Murder Drownings; Overcoming Trauma & Tragedy; Zero Tolerance for Rowdy Fans

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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Live from Studio 7, I'm Suzanne Malveaux. Want to get you up to speed for Friday, April 15th.

Rebels in Misrata are warning of a massacre unless NATO jets start dropping more bombs on Gadhafi's fighters. Misrata has been under siege for a month now. The rebels' message suggest they cannot hold out much longer. Witnesses say government troops are pelting the city with shells again today.

The leaders of the United States, Britain and France say Moammar Gadhafi must go. In an opinion piece published in major American and European newspapers, they write, "It is unthinkable that someone who has tried to massacre his own people can play a part in their future government."

In Syria, anti-government protesters flooded the streets of a half-dozen cities today.

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MALVEAUX: This crowd here in Damascus chanted, "God will defeat the tyrant!" The new rallies come as Human Rights Watch strongly condemns the government of Bashar al-Assad. The group says protesters have been tortured with electrical devices, cables and whips.

People who live or lived near the Fukushima nuclear plant will soon get a check. The Japanese government today ordered plant owner Tokyo Electric to make those payments. Families will get $12,000; individuals, $9,000.

President Obama will sign the 2011 budget bill into law today. Now, he and House Republicans negotiated $38 billion in cuts, dodged a government shutdown just a week ago. The president told ABC News that voters will ultimately decide whose budget approach will prevail.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: Everybody agrees that we're going to have to hit a real meaningful target when it comes to deficit reduction, and that there are going to be some areas where we can agree now and there are going to be some areas where we don't agree, but we can get a process going. And some of it will be settled by the American people in the election.

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MALVEAUX: Dangerous weather could strike the mid-South this afternoon. The bull's eye, central Mississippi and the Alabama. Tornadoes killed two people in Oklahoma. The storms then ripped into Arkansas, bringing down lots and lots of trees. Five people died there.

Police divers will be in the water on Long Island today. They are looking for clues that could lead them to a serial killer believed to be responsible for at least eight deaths. Police used high-tech FBI cameras to scour the area on Thursday, but a Nassau County police spokesman says they found nothing helpful.

Georgia lawmakers are sending the governor a tough new immigration bill today. The legislature passed the measure despite protests at the capitol in Atlanta last night. The new law gives Georgia police the power to check the immigration status of certain suspects.

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RENEE UNTERMAN (R), GEORGIA STATE SENATE: I don't want to take care of Mexico's people.

NAN ORROCK (D), GEORGIA STATE SENATE: He's crafted a bill that insists on demonizing people of brown skin and people with Spanish accents.

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MALVEAUX: Republican Governor Nathan Deal has not said whether he's going to sign the bill, but he supported this kind of legislation in the campaign last year.

Well, it's not very appetizing. A new study finds that our meat and poultry is widely contaminated with drug-resistant bacteria. Thorough cooking kills this bacteria, but it can spread when you handle raw meat. Drug-resistant staph infections can lead to life- threatening illnesses.

It's now your chance to "Talk Back" on one of the biggest stories of the week. Tough choices ahead in Washington over Social Security, the deficit, taxes. Some think that the debate is pitting the rich against the poor.

Our Carol Costello -- obviously, the class warfare, this is something you're very interested in. And a lot of people using that kind of language, that perhaps that's the case.

COSTELLO: I know, it's 2008 deja vu all over again. Right?

If you listened to our politicians this week you might think America is at war not in Iraq, Afghanistan or Libya, but right here at home, in a kind of class warfare. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

OBAMA: We cannot afford $1 trillion worth of tax cuts for every millionaire and billionaire in our society.

SEN. ORRIN HATCH (R), UTAH: The president and all those rich liberal Democrats who are eager to pay higher taxes can do just that. They can write a check to the IRS and make an extra payment on their tax returns to pay down the federal debt.

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COSTELLO: For Republican deficit Paul Ryan, Mr. Obama's speech was the same old partisan politics.

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REP. PAUL RYAN (R), WISCONSIN: When the commander in chief sort of brings himself down to the level of the partisan mosh pit that we've been in, that we are in, it makes it more difficult to bring that kind of leadership.

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COSTELLO: Oh, it's deja vu all over again. Hello? 2008, anyone? Will we see "Joe the Plumber" and hear President Obama calling Wall Street executives "fat cats" again?

At his inauguration, Mr. Obama urged both parties to rise above partisan politics. Now, says independent political analyst John Avlon, Mr. Obama's speech opened him up to accusations of class warfare on the campaign trail going into 2012 -- Wall Street versus Main Street. As long as politicians keep reinforcing it, we'll never get out of that partisan mosh pit.

So, "Talk Back" today: Is class warfare the right political fight?

Facebook.com/CarolCNN, and I'll read your comments later this hour.

MALVEAUX: It's such a hot topic, because the guy who became "Joe the Plumber," he was a household name because he took on the president and he was working class.

COSTELLO: He's still in politics, by the way, in Ohio.

MALVEAUX: Really?

COSTELLO: Oh, yes. Very involved in the Toledo area, where he's from.

MALVEAUX: I can only imagine who's going to become famous out of this next go-around.

COSTELLO: It will be interesting. MALVEAUX: All right. Thanks, Carol.

COSTELLO: Sure.

MALVEAUX: Here's a look at what's ahead "On the Rundown."

It's time to file your taxes. We're going to show you where your tax dollars are actually going.

Also, the mother who drowned herself and her three children. We're going to talk with a psychologist about the warning signs and helping the child who survived.

Plus, a detective who helped catch the "Son of Sam" talks about tracking a serial killer.

And stepped-up security at Dodgers Stadium after that attack on a Giants fan.

And finally, tips on getting the most out of your gas money.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I definitely don't drive as much as I used to. I try to carpool more with my friends. And I'm just hoping things will go down as soon as possible, but I don't think they will considering summer and travel, to be honest.

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MALVEAUX: Well, the way that gas prices keep going up, you may feel like you have to take out a loan, right, to fill up your tank? Well, according to AAA, the average price is almost $3.82 a gallon. The highest is in Hawaii. Drivers are paying $4.46. Wyoming has the lowest price, at $3.54 a gallon.

Casey Wian has the latest on tips for finding the cheapest gas where you live.

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CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Pain at the pump is real for paint store deliveryman Mark Murillo.

MARK MURILLO, DELIVERYMAN: It hurts because of the high prices, but I have to do it to support myself and my family.

WIAN: There are ways to ease the pain.

(on camera): What's the best way for motorists to make sure that they're getting the best deal on the gas they buy?

JEFFREY SPRING, AAA: Well, you don't want to be going way out of your way and spending gasoline money trying to find the cheapest gasoline. You want to try to plan your route to where the cheapest gasoline is in your area.

WIAN (voice-over): A growing number of Web sites and smartphone apps can help.

(on camera): I'm at a gas station in Hollywood, where regular gasoline is selling for $4.39 a gallon. And I think that may be too expensive. So I can go on my iPhone and check an application to find if there's anything in the neighborhood that's cheaper.

(voice-over): And there is less than half a mile away.

(on camera): Here we are just down the street, and gas is selling for $4.15 a gallon, 24 cents a gallon less. That could be a savings of $3, $4, $5, depending how big your gas tank is. The only catch is, to get the savings here, you've got to pay cash.

(voice-over): Or pay a 45-cent ATM fee. Either way, it's a big savings.

Another tip, look for gas at or near wholesale clubs which use low gas prices to attract shoppers. Location is key says Jason Toews, co-founder of cheap gas finder Gas Buddy.

JASON TOEWS, GASBUDDY.COM: Wholesale clubs tend to compete very aggressively on price. And, of course, there's all the other competition nearby who lower their price, too. So, you want to look for an area where either it's a bedroom community, has a lot of gas stations, and you'll find some cheap prices right there.

WIAN: Stations to avoid include those near tourist destinations and ritzy residential neighborhoods.

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MALVEAUX: Casey Wian, joining us now live.

Casey, I want to ask you, do people know -- how do you know how far out of the way you can drive and still have it be worth your while when it comes to gas prices?

WIAN: Yes, it involves several different calculations that are pretty difficult for most people to do in their head, but there are sites on the Internet, including one at bankrate.com, where you can put in the prices at two different gas stations, how far away you are from the two stations, how many gallons your gas tank holds, and how many miles per gallon your car gets, and it will figure out for you whether it's worthwhile to actually drive out of your way to get lower gas prices.

$4.25 a gallon at this station, what does that mean for people? Well, someone just filled up at this pump here just a couple minutes ago. He's a painter. He filled up his tank, 22.8 gallons. It cost him $100.

So, clearly, a lot of people paying a lot of money for gas now. A lot of people driving all over town, trying to find the cheapest gas, but there are better ways of doing that than driving. Simply going on the Internet or use your smartphone applications can help you save a lot of money -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Oh, my God. Casey, my jaw just dropped when I saw that -- $100 it took to fill his tank?

WIAN: Yes. Can you imagine that?

I mean, this guy, he just had an exasperated look on his face. He thought he'd got it under $100, but it kept filling up, kept filling up, finally hit that $100 mark. And he drove away off to his painting job, clearly cutting into his take-home pay.

MALVEAUX: That is so tough. Casey, thank you so much.

Well, you know what? You can save a lot of money on gas just by the way you actually drive your car. Next hour, Stephanie Elam explains what hypermiling is and how it can help you get much better gas mileage. You'll want to know.

And where is your tax money going? You can now keep track of it on a new government Web site. We're going to show you how it works.

April 15th is the traditional due date to file your income taxes, but before you rush to get the forms in, take a break. You've got three more days.

I need those three days.

This year, your taxes are due Monday, April 18th. You'll have Abraham Lincoln to thank. We'll tell you why.

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MALVEAUX: The reason why you have three bonus days to file your federal income taxes? Well, it's Emancipation Day, a little-known Washington, D.C., holiday that celebrates the freeing of slaves in the district. Under the tax code, filing deadlines can't fall on Saturdays, Sundays or holidays. So, this year's tax due date was pushed to Monday.

We could all use a couple more days.

Would you like to know exactly where your tax dollars are going? Well, it is now easier to find out.

Alison Kosik joins us from the New York Stock Exchange.

Alison, I understand you have a great new tool to find out where our money's going.

ALISON KOSIK, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, especially when we write that tax check and it kind of goes off into the wasteland. We want to know where this money is going.

So there's a new Web site that launched this week. You go to whitehouse.gov/taxreceipt. And this is really good, because there's a CNN poll that shows 73 percent of Americans think the government just wastes our tax dollars. So, at this point, the government is pulling back the curtain and showing where your money is going.

All right. We're going to the site here.

What you do is you go to this dropdown box. Let's go ahead and just choose that you make $35,000 a year. You're single, have one child.

Your total tax bill is $3,200. The biggest chunk of is going to go to --$2,100 -- is going to go to Social Security; $500 to Medicare; $526 total in income tax. And then what happens is that's broken down further into separate areas including health care, unemployment, food stamps.

Those are kind of the biggest area. Unemployment as well, that's part of it.

So there you go. You see exactly where that money is going. Kind of useful there -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Alison, what about folks who make a little more money?

KOSIK: Well, you do the same thing. You go to that dropdown box, maybe let's choose $80,000, married, with two kids. Your total tax bill, of course, is going to be more, $10,000.

Social Security, that's still top there. It's almost half of that, $5,000.

Of course, the more you make, the more you pay. So, a bigger portion is going to go to income tax. If you make $80,000, that means you'd pay $3,800 in income tax.

Now, keep in mind, if you don't fall into one of these categories, you can go in there and fill in your own information.

All right. So let's -- we're going from the money you give to the government, to the money maybe you give to Wall Street. Let's take a quick check of the numbers.

The Dow, right now, up 30. The other averages, just mixed. Investors seem to be weighing some downbeat earnings reports, some upbeat economic news on manufacturing.

Suzanne, back to you.

MALVEAUX: All right, Alison. A great tool. Thank you very much.

Well, it is time now to consider today's "Choose the News" candidates. Let us know which story that you would like to see. Vote by texting 22360.

First, if you get upset at airport security, you might want to watch how you show it. We're going to reveal one of the behaviors that might get you even more screening.

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And finally, a car crash left a woman unable to speak. Well, she hears the sound of her own voice for the first time in 35 years.

Vote by texting 22360. Text 1 for "Airport Behavior"'; 2 for "Teen Gets Hand"; or 3 for "A New Voice." The winning story will air in the next hour.

Well, one of our 2008 CNN Heroes has reached a major milestone. Five years ago, teenager Kaylee Radzyminski started sending CDs and DVDs to troops overseas as gesture of gratitude. Well, this week, Tunes for the Troops celebrated the group's big achievement with help from a rock star.

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ANDERSON COOPER, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Kaylee Marie Radzyminski became a CNN Hero in 2008 when she was a sophomore in high school. At the time, her organization, Tunes for the Troops, had shipped more than 200,000 CDs and DVDs to U.S. military men overseas. It was Kaylee's way to say thank you.

KAYLEE MARIE RADZYMINSKI, CNN HERO: Tunes for the Troops has gone so far these past five years. There's absolutely nothing that I would change, because it has made a difference in so many people's lives.

COOPER: Today, Kaylee is on a military ROTC scholarship at Tennessee Tech University, which has become the new home of the organization.

RADZYMINSKI: Tunes for the Troops is now part of the Service Learning Center here at the university. There's basically a staff and student workers that volunteer for community service hours. So, this way, Tunes for the Troops will able to continue even once I graduate.

COOPER: This week, volunteers gathered to pack the latest shipment of CDs and DVDs which included a special milestone, the group's one-millionth disk.

RADZYMINSKI: One of the guitarists from Lynyrd Skynyrd showed up at our packing party to actually pack the one-millionth CD.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Number one million.

RADZYMINSKI: Once I graduate, I'll be able to know that Tunes for the Troops is in some wonderful hands. And who knows? Once I am an officer in the United States Army, I can potentially benefit from Tunes to the Troops, getting CDs and DVDs, and that's, I mean, pretty cool.

(END VIDEOTAPE) MALVEAUX: All of this year's CNN Heroes are chosen from people you tell us about on the CNN's Heroes Web site. And to nominate someone who you think is changing the world, go to CNNHeroes.com.

Well, revelations in the search for a serial killer. You'll hear from a detective who helped capture the infamous "Son of Sam."

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MALVEAUX: Ahead "On the Rundown," the detective who helped catch the "Son of Sam," talks about what it was like to track a serial killer.

Plus, a courageous and terrified young boy survives after his mother drove him and his siblings into the Hudson River. We're going to talk about the psychological issues that he faces.

And an NBA star tackles his anger issues.

More air, land and water searches are under way now in New York's Long Island as authorities push forward with their hunt for evidence leading to a possible serial killer. A helicopter has been hovering over a stretch of beach since morning. Police and FBI agents have finished searching 18 spots of interest now without finding any additional evidence. They used high-tech FBI cameras to scour the area.

Police are also using diver teams to search the waterways on the north side of the barrier island, and K-9 search units to scour thick brush. At least eight bodies have been found since December, and only four of them have been identified.

Well, the detective who helped catch the infamous "Son of Sam" tells our Jason Carroll what it's like to track a serial killer.

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JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As investigators search for more clues to lead them to a suspected serial killer or killers on Long Island, one former detective who helped find one of America's most infamous serial killers watches every development.

JOSEPH COFFEY, RETIRED NYPD DETECTIVE SERGEANT: These cases are very wearing on detectives. And these guys out here, I feel for them, because I went through the same thing with the "Son of Sam."

CARROLL: "Son of Sam," that's how David Berkowitz identified himself in 1977. The serial killer shot 13, murdering six before getting caught.

COFFEY: I had a certain amount of rage in my heart regarding Mr. Berkowitz.

CARROLL: Joseph Coffey led the task force created to catch Berkowitz.

COFFEY: Emotionally, you have memories coming back to you all the time.

CARROLL: His background giving a unique perspective into the Long Island investigation.

COFFEY: Keep this in mind, these bodies were hidden for a purpose. Whoever this is, didn't anticipate that these bodies would be found.

CARROLL (on camera): And what does that say to you?

COFFEY: When he started this crime wave, if you want to call it that, it was a vendetta. He was afraid of getting caught.

CARROLL (voice-over): Finding evidence here, a challenge, the brush too thick even for police dogs. But Coffey says more leads may develop by learning how the four identified victims got there; all were known prostitutes.

COFFEY: Interview cab drivers, not necessarily as the perpetrator, but as witnesses because these women had to have transportation to get to and from their jobs.

CARROLL (on camera): Do you think the person or persons responsible for what's happening out here wants to be caught?

COFFEE: No. That's a fallacy.

CARROLL: Is it?

COFFEE: No. They say that all the time when it's a serial, he wants to be caught. That's baloney.

CARROLL (voice-over): Coffey's reminded of another Long Island serial killer, Joel Rifken. He also targeted prostitutes and was convicted of nine, but confessed to murdering 17.

COFFEE: Whoever did this knows this area, whether born and raised here or whether he still lives here.

And you couldn't do what he's done without knowing this area.

CARROLL (on camera): Why not leave the area and go quiet for a period of time?

COFFEE: Because they love the game, and this is a game to them.

CARROLL: And Coffey believes the person or persons responsible for what's happening out here will not stop until he is caught.

In Jones Beach, I'm Jason Carroll, CNN, New York.

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MALVEAUX: Chilling, new details about the mother who drowned herself and three of her children. We're going to talk with a psychologist about helping the 10-year-old boy who survived. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

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MALVEAUX: And extraordinary things overcoming major obstacles. With the NBA Playoffs beginning this weekend, chief medical correspondent Dr. Sanjay Gupta catches up with Ron Artest, part of the 2010 Champion L.A. Lakers, but still perhaps best known for a brawl in 2004.

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RON ARTEST, L.A. LAKERS FORWARD: Today, we visited a school in Inglewood. Yesterday, we visited a clinic, a mental health clinic in South Central, you know, and -- so I move around a lot, try to stay involved.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): After practice, this is what L.A. Lakers' forward Ron Artest does in his free time, he's raising awareness about mental illness.

NBA ANNOUNCER: Ron Artest lighting up a three.

GUPTA: Now it's not exactly what most would expect from the man who made the cover of "Sports Illustrated" for storming the stands in Detroit after a fan threw a drink at him. That was back in 2004.

(on camera): You know when people watch the videos of you, like they will forever, when you were angry, it's a very different Ron Artest today.

ARTEST: Yes. Definitely, definitely. Just having the confidence to let people know, yes, I had a problem, anger management problem. Yes, I did see psychologist. Yes, I do still -- I saw one before Game Seven.

GUPTA (voice-over): In fact, after the Lakers won the NBA Championship last year, Artest's first shout-out went to his psychologist.

ARTEST: I definitely want to thank my doctor, Dr. (INAUDIBLE).

GUPTA: Essentially, telling the world he was seeking help because he needed it.

Then he raffled off his championship ring for more than half a million dollars. That went to his charity, which helps high-risk kids.

(on camera): Do you have a particular diagnosed mental illness?

ARTEST: No, I don't have a mental illness. At the age of 6 years I had an anger management problems. There was a lot of frustration and tension in my household. And as I gold older, I'm like, man, I'm always mad for some reason, you know?

GUPTA: Do you have anger issues anymore?

ARTEST: Not as bad as I used to.

GUPTA (voice-over): But he does say there's been a lot of mental health issues in this family, and he knows counseling helped him deal with these issues and it can help others too, but they have to have access to therapy.

ARTEST: And I'm still not perfect. What I tell people, I'm an example. You know, I'm no longer a statistic, I'm an example, I'm a solution, and I'm trying to be a role model. I'm not a role model yet, one day I will be.

GUPTA: Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, Los Angeles.

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MALVEAUX: A battle over the 2012 budget unfolding in the House today. Dana Bash, she's part of "The Best Political Team On Television" live from Capitol Hill.

Dana, great to see you. What is crossing right now?

DANA BASH, CNN SENIOR CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: What's crossing right now is something that's going to happen on the House floor in about two hours, and that is a vote on that 2012 budget. This is the House Republican budget that we've heard a lot about.

Now, you remember, yesterday, there was a vote on last year's spending. There was a significant number of defections, a quarter of all House Republicans voted no. We expect this to be a lot more partisan and a lot more Republicans to vote for this.

Remember, this is that budget we've been talking about that cuts trillions of dollars authored by Paul Ryan, the Budget chairman, and it also deals with Medicare, really overhauls Medicare. And that's why we could see some political trepidation amongst some Republicans voting for this, because Democrats, Suzanne, I'm told by a Democratic source, they already have their script written to run ads against Republicans who vote for this, Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: They're ready. I guess they're sharpening pencils there.

The president also taking on the birther issue head-on. What was he talking about? What did he say? How's he fighting back here?

BASH: I mean, how many times have you been covering President Obama over the years and, especially as a candidate, heard about this and heard this question? But obviously, it is heating up, in part because Donald Trump, the guy who may or may not be running for president, keeps talking about this.

He told -- the president told George Stephanopoulos in an interview on ABC yesterday, Wolf (sic), that he feels confident that the American people, especially those who are going to be voting in the general election, that they -- that they feel confident that he actually was born in the United States. I think he said it kind of tongue in cheek.

You know, obviously they see what's going on inside the Republican field. They see what's going on out there, the people continuing to bring this up. And I think that the White House, you probably know this better than I do, they think it's more of a distraction than anything else.

But the fact is, it is still out there, as much as many Republicans want this to just go away, this whole talk about the fact that the president was not born in the United States -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: They certainly hope it it's distraction, that folks will move on and talk about some other things. We'll see how that goes.

OK, thanks, Dana. Appreciate it.

BASH: Thanks, Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: For the latest political news, you know where to go, CNNPolitics.com.

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MALVEAUX: We are learning heartbreaking new details about the mother who drove her van into the Hudson River, killing herself and three of her children. Lashandra Armstrong left a note on her Facebook page saying, "I'm so sorry. Everyone forgive me, please, for what I'm going to do. This is it."

Armstrong's 10-year-old son managed to get out of the van that went under water. The woman who stopped to help him describes the boy as both courageous and terrified as he told her what happened.

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MEAVE RYAN, HELPED SURVIVOR OF VAN DROWNINGS: He gets in the car and he thinks that they're just going for a drive. And I said, tell me what else happened.

And he said, well, we just going for a drive and mom was driving the car frantically, she was speeding. And by the time they got down by the ramp, he was like, mommy, mommy what are you doing? Stop, stop, stop. You know?

And she was, like, get to the back seat. So he went to the back seat, and she went to the back seat as well and cradled all the children with her arms, and said, if I'm going it die, you're all going to die with me. Two or three times she said this.

So he broke free from her, cause she was still holding on to him. He was wearing a pair of green pants and she was holding on to his pants, but he broke free from here and went outside the driver's side -- I'm presuming, I think it was the driver's side window that he was able to roll down a little bit and get out.

But at the last minutes, when he was leaving to go out the window, he heard his mother saying, I made a terrible mistake, I made a mistake.

So she came from the middle of the row to the driver's side and tried to reverse the car back out, but at that time she was too much in the water at that point to -- yes, too much in the water at that point to even leave.

So he said -- he said, the best thing I could do, Meave, he said, was go off for help. And he said, no one would stop for me, no one was stopping for me. And he said, thank you so much for stopping for me. He said it about 50 times, thank you for stopping for me, thank you for stopping.

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MALVEAUX: Ryan says the boy felt guilty for not saving his brothers and sisters.

We want to go beyond the headlines and talk about the warning signs to look for cases like this, and about what can be done for those coping with a trauma that he has been there.

Erik Fisher is a licensed clinical psychologist in practice here in Atlanta.

And, thank you so much, Dr. Fisher, for joining us.

ERIK FISHER, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Thank you for having me.

I mean, this is heartbreaking when you hear those kinds of details coming from a 10-year-old child.

FISHER: Absolutely heartbreaking.

MALVEAUX: What does he need to overcome?

FISHER: Well, there's a couple issues.

First, you have to first not only take into account the trauma he's experienced, but this sounds like his mother was in a pretty tumultuous relationship for a number of years. And what you're looking at is attachment issues in terms of what's the strength of the attachment that he's had with his mother, with his siblings.

It sounds like he was parentified at a very early age. One of the comments that I heard from another story was that he was saying it was his job to teach his brothers or his siblings to swim, and he didn't do it this last summer. So he's got a lot of survivor guilt that's already set in already and he's going to be dealing with that.

The post-traumatic stress details will depend on how he deals with this situation. In terms of the support system around him, he's in state custody right now in care, and it's going to depend on the consistency of the people who they put him in care with as well as the support in where he's going to have therapeutically, family-wise, foster care-wise.

All of those things throughout the long term are going to be important, because not only is this going to be processed now at age 10, but at often different developmental times throughout his life he's going to revisit this trauma in different ways. So he's got a long road to hoe here.

MALVEAUX: A lot of kids, obviously, don't have to go through what he did, but in general, do children -- are they resilient when it comes to tragedy or are they more sensitive? Do they take it harder? How do you help children, in general, cope with loss?

FISHER: Well, personally, when I was 8, my brother died, tragically. And he was an older brother, and that was very difficult for me. And what I did, was able to do with it, was I turned it into life happens for me, not to me.

And that's a critical world, for versus to. Because things that happen in our life we can see as opportunities to grow and learn or they can bury us and we get can get buried underneath them.

So I think, again, it's partly that individual's temperament, their support system, again, and how he's going to look at this with how the people around him steer him and guide him in this way.

MALVEAUX: How do you turn it around for yourself?

FISHER: I think part was our family stayed close. We had a very close family that supported each other. And also, we just kept working through it.

And a lot of families fall apart in tragedy. The difficulty with him, I don't know exactly all the family he's going to have around him. In some ways, if he can start anew with a very supportive system, that can be good. And especially if they're helping him -- he's got to talk about it and talk about it and talk about it. He's got to be able to get that out and not bury it inside and feel like he has to be strong.

If he was parentified at a young age, a lot of times kids feel like they have to be strong and hide their emotions. And if his mom was in a tumultuous relationship, and it sounded like she may have had some dependent features, she might have really leaned on him a lot. So all of these are moderating factors in his recovery.

MALVEAUX: How do you convince a child, because you say you were 8 when you lost your brother, how do you convince a child it's not his fault? You know, they always put it on themselves.

FISHER: That's a tough one. Because guilt -- guilt in our culture is often used as weapon by people who want to control us. And what I say, the purpose of guilt is it lets us know when we've done something to somebody else we need to fix. He didn't do anything to anybody else he needs to fix. All's he knows is he can't get his siblings back and he can't get his mom a back. So that is something that he is going to have to resolve.

And again, if he's able to see, I can set myself free of think, I am alive, but I am just really concerned about how much he's already taking on this responsibility. It's going to be his choice in what he does with this, really.

MALVEAUX: OK, thank you so much for sharing your own personal story as well as your insights.

FISHER: Well, thanks for having me. Appreciate it.

MALVEAUX: Appreciate it. Thank you.

We want to hear from you as well. Are Americans economic problems causing a class war, and will that debate get us anywhere? You weighed in, and now Carol Costello, she is talking back. She is reading your responses.

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Now your responses to our "Talk Back" question, does making a class war out of the budget debate get us anywhere.

Carol, what are folks saying?

COSTELLO: You might be surprised.

Our "Talk Back" question today: Is class warfare the right political fight?

This from David, "Perhaps not warfare but the public needs to be aware of the growing gap between the classes and how much the true middle class has shrunk. The poor are really poor, the rich are really rich, and the middle isn't doing that well."

This from Megan, "Politicians never want to admit to class warfare because they are perpetuating it. Without the monetary support of the ridiculously wealthy politicians wouldn't have the money to support their notoriously brutal campaigns." This from Krissy, "You know who doesn't think class warfare is already underway? The privileged upper classes. The middle class has been under attack for years and now there is dismay that they're finally trying to fight back?"

Timothy says, "Absolutely. It is interesting how the wealthy with the bully pulpit in the media try to act like this is a bad thing. It was the best of times, it was the worst of times."

And this from Steve, "It is the only political fight. Wouldn't it be nice if one party didn't stand for the wealthiest and the other didn't refuse to stand up for the rest of us?"

Keep the conversation going, Facebook.com/carolCNN, and I'll see you again in about 15 minutes.

MALVEAUX: Thanks, Carol. You'll be interested in this next story as well.

It is a sea of blue at Dodger Stadium and it's not Dodger blue, it is the police out in full force after a fan was beaten into a coma.

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MALVEAUX: It wasn't Dodger Blue, it was LAPD blue that fans noticed most at last night's game in Los Angeles. Police officers were out in full force to enforce the zero tolerance for rowdiness. This comes after the beating of a Giants fan, Brian Stowe. He is still hospitalized in a medically-induced coma.

I want to go to Dodger Stadium and CNN's Thelma Gutierrez to give us the very latest. And, Thelma, we know that police were on foot, bikes, horses, the whole bit.

Did they see any trouble last night?

THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Suzanne, they say that they issued 38 citations for very minor offenses, But there were no arrests. And police held a news conference last night after that game, and they say it's testament to their beefed-up security strategy, also to that zero tolerance policy.

MALVEAUX: And, Thelma, I understand that last night's game was the first with the increased security since the attack.

Remind our viewers about what actually happened, that assault and whether or not there are any suspects.

GUTIERREZ: Suzanne, it was March 31st and it was a Giants-Dodger game. One of the Giants fans, Brian Stowe, 42 years old, was leaving the stadium. He was in the parking lot when he was jumped by two men wearing Dodger uniforms. They savagely beat him, and then they got away in a car that was driven by a young woman, and there was a child in the car.

Now there were 100 witnesses, Suzanne, who witnessed this thing. And yet, there have been no arrests.

Now yesterday police released an updated composite of the two suspects. One of the suspects had a very prominent mole on his left cheek. They're hoping that somebody out there will recognize these men. There's a $100,000 reward for any information that leads to the arrest of these suspects.

MALVEAUX: And are there other teams that are making changes to the security after this attack?

GUTIERREZ: Yes, two teams in California, Anaheim Stadium and the San Francisco Giants stadium. Both have stepped up their security following the incident here in Dodger Stadium.

You know, you talk to fans. They've been telling reporters all along that they feel very confident. Even though when they walk in there's a very pronounced police presence, they actually feel very confident bringing their families to the game. They say if it has to be this way, that it has to be, but at least we know that we'll be safe when we're inside watching that game.

MALVEAUX: All Right, Thelma, thank you very much.

Thelma Gutierrez, appreciate it.