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Driving the Price of Gas; FBI on Hunt for Mall Bomb Suspect; Two Teenagers Commit Suicide During Sleepover; McCain Makes Surprise Trip to Libya; Cat Deeley Dresses to Impress; Donor Kidney Market

Aired April 22, 2011 - 14:00   ET

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RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR: So, for "Two at the Top," Poppy Harlow is here from CNNMoney.com.

So glad you are with us.

POPPY HARLOW, CNNMONEY.COM: Good to be here.

KAYE: A lot of people, you know, they're going to hit the road this weekend. It's a holiday weekend. So let's start with the disconnect between gas and oil.

HARLOW: It's a huge disconnect, and what we saw in 2008, when we saw those record gas prices, Randi, and oil prices, is that oil was $140, gas was $4.11. Today, though, oil is 24 percent below where it was three years ago. Gas is only six, seven percent below that.

The disconnect is -- I called an oil trader today from New York today and asked him, "Why is this going on?" He goes, "We are betting on where the price of oil is going to go in the future. We don't know how bad the unrest in Libya, across the Middle East is going to get."

But I said, "Look, bottom line, are there any supply concerns?" And he said absolutely not. And I'll quote him here. He said, "Potential supply threats are bubbling up all over the place."

This is only potential, folks.

Randi, we have actually got what we would call a glut of crude oil in this country sitting in big refineries in Oklahoma. We've got plenty of domestic supply right now, so that should, in all, be nice if it brought our gas prices down. It's not doing that right now.

KAYE: I want to get back to what Eliot Spitzer, former New York governor and attorney general, now, of course, on CNN -- he called the President Obama's gas price taskforce a cheap press release. I mean, is he right?

HARLOW: I will leave those words to Eliot, but what I can say is that is what he is referring to, folks, is the fact that back in 2008, the White House did a very similar thing. They really hit the line hard and said we are going to investigate these oil bets, whether the market speculators, those oil traders, are colluding to drive the prices higher. All that happened was that one Dutch firm came under investigation. It didn't affect our oil or gas prices whatsoever. We saw gas go up to $4.11 on average a gallon.

So, the White House did this three years ago. It didn't change what we pay in that, what we care about.

I think the big question is that there's no real power. Unless they prove true fraud in this marketplace, get folks in trouble, pull them out of the market, that's not what we saw and it's not likely to make a difference for folks, what they are paying.

KAYE: So, gas consumption, of course, slowing down. A lot of people are taking the train or they're riding their bike, but what you are saying is, really, that's not going to make a difference, is it?

HARLOW: It's going to make a difference to your bottom line if you keep the car parked, but it's not going to make a difference to prices right now, because this is not a supply issue. It may be a supply issue in other parts of the world, but the price you pay at the pump, folks, does not depend just on what U.S. oil costs or how much of it we have.

That's called West Texas Intermediate crude. There is another kind of crude oil called Brent crude, and that is a compilation of prices all around the world. So, if oil is more expensive in Europe, in the Middle East, in Russia, that factors into our gas prices.

Oil is a global commodity. What's happening with the U.S. dollar, that doesn't help. We've got a lot of money flowing into the market. The Fed stimulus here is affecting things. There's a lot of different factors here. But I really want people to understand it's not a supply issue, at least right now in the country.

KAYE: I don't know if that's good news or bad news.

HARLOW: There's nothing you can do about. You've got to conserve.

KAYE: Yes, absolutely not. All right. Poppy Harlow, thank you for clearing that up for us. Appreciate it.

I want to update you on the failed plot to bomb a Littleton, Colorado, mall right now. The attempt may have failed, but investigators are calling it domestic terrorism. They've launched a manhunt for a so-called person of interest, and the FBI just released new photos.

So let's go straight to Ted Rowlands, who joins me now from Denver.

Ted, what is the latest? What more can you tell us about this man?

TED ROWLANDS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, the first thing, Randi, of note is that this person of interest is now being called a suspect. So, clearly, the FBI really wants to talk to this individual, and they have elevated his status.

These new photos that were released about an hour ago give a much clearer picture of this individual. They were taken from a bus, a bus that left the mall here in Littleton, and he was riding in it, and you can see there are several images.

One, a close-up of his hat. There's one of him seemingly to relax on the bus. And there's one without his hat.

So there are now five images out there for the public to see, and these new ones are much clearer. One would think that if this is a local man, that his identity will be found out fairly soon.

KAYE: And are they releasing any more details about the explosives that were found?

ROWLANDS: The FBI has not talked about the details, but we have learned more details. In fact, this morning we talked to a young man who works at one of the retail outlets here in the mall, and he talked about those propane tanks, that the FBI says that there were two propane tanks and a pipe bomb.

I want to show you what the propane tanks look like. They're more like propane canisters, the small ones. Take a listen to what this individual said about what he saw near the food court when he noticed a fire and then he saw these tanks.

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MARSHALL WOOD, WITNESS: I saw one of these, maybe two, sitting on the panel itself. And, you know, there were flames around it. I couldn't tell if they were coming from this or not.

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ROWLANDS: So, Randi, obviously, he has talked to investigators. It gives you a little better perspective on this potential bomb device, if you will. But the FBI says it could have been absolutely lethal, because there were a lot of people in the mall at the time when it was discovered.

KAYE: And Ted, what about the fact that this all happened on April 20th? Which, of course, we know is the 12th anniversary of Columbine. I mean, is there anything to suggest that this is definitely linked to the Columbine shooting or possibly linked to that shooting?

ROWLANDS: Well, I think, possibly, absolutely. The FBI right now is saying there's no link because they haven't talked to the suspect, so they don't know that there's an actual link. But you talk to people here, they absolutely think there's a link, because they don't find pipe bombs in malls two miles away from Columbine very often. And then for it to be on the 12th anniversary, people absolutely think that there is a link here.

KAYE: And it was around lunchtime, we know that. The mall was awfully crowded. There were a lot of people there, and from what I understand, a widow from one of the Columbine victims was inside as well?

ROWLANDS: Yes. And students from Columbine, because Columbine was not in session because of the anniversary. They had an in-service day, so there were a lot of Columbine students here at the mall as well.

But the person you are referring to, it's really hard to believe. Linda Sanders was in the mall at the time of this bomb scare. Her husband, Dave Sanders, was the only teacher to die in that shooting massacre 12 years ago. Here is what Linda said about being in the mall during this bomb scare this week.

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LINDA SANDERS, HUSBAND DIED IN COLUMBINE MASSACRE: It scared me. We were in there. We were inside there.

Just because time has gone by for something like this, I think we need to be aware that we need to hype up, or whatever you want to say, the security around this date, or around the date of any of our tragedies, because there's copycats out there.

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ROWLANDS: And, of course, Randi, the potential for a copycat has a lot of people unnerved here in Littleton as the FBI continues to search for that suspect.

KAYE: I'm sure.

Ted Rowlands for us.

Thank you, Ted.

Two teenage girls are dead after they hang themselves during a sleepover. Coming up after the short break, find out why their families believe the eighth graders committed suicide.

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KAYE: Two young girls were laid to rest this week after taking their own lives during a sleepover.

Fourteen-year-olds Haylee Fentress and Paige Moravetz had a sleepover last weekend in Marshall, Minnesota. Both girls hanged themselves and left suicide notes.

The notes asked for their families to remember them and pray for them. The girls both attended Marshall Middle School. Both families have told media outlets that they believe the girls were bullied at school.

Haylee's aunt says that fellow students made fun of her weight and made fun of her red hair. Haylee was expelled from school, allegedly for defending Paige during a fight.

Our affiliate KFSY spoke to some students there.

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MADDY, MARSHALL MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENT: We're so young, and I just never thought anything could be so bad where you would think that somebody would do that.

SADIE, MARSHALL MIDDLE SCHOOL STUDENT: We're born for a reason, and you deserve to leave.

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KAYE: Haylee's family released this statement to media outlets about the alleged bullying at school: "We need to stop pretending this isn't happening or that it just a cry for attention, because obviously it is not. It shouldn't take more tragedies to realize this."

Kids being bullied is a national problem. We know that well. A study by the Massachusetts Department of Public Health and the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention that just came out suggests one in four kids are bullied in middle schools. The study also found that kids who bully often are victims or at least witnesses of violence in their own homes.

According to the study, nearly 20 percent of kids who were bullies or the victims of bullies were physically hurt by a family member in the past year or witnessed violence in the family in the past year. The study also found that the risk off suicide was higher among victims of bullies.

Last hour we spoke with John Auerbach about what we as a society can do to help combat this problem. He is the commissioner of the Department of Public Health in Massachusetts. His office was directly involved in this bullying study. Take a listen.

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JOHN AUERBACH, COMMISSIONER, DEPARTMENT OF PUBLIC HEALTH, MASSACHUSETTS: I think that there are many different sectors of society that need to play an important role. We think it's important that parents talk to their children about bullying and make it clear that bullying is considered unacceptable, and also encourage their children to let them know when they see bullying or if they are the victims of bullying.

But schools play a very important role as well. And, in Massachusetts, we are fortunate that Governor Patrick has prioritized the reduction of violence in young people in many, many different settings. But he, last year, signed an important piece of legislation that he is overseeing the implementation of, and that legislation requires that every single school, both public and private in Massachusetts, has to have is an anti-bullying plan with training components, with educational components for the students, themselves, and with a strong emphasis on reporting bullying incidents to the school administration, and action steps that will be taken in response.

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KAYE: To check out the entire report for yourself, head to our blog, CNN.com/Ali. We'll link you up with the study. You can also join the discussion about bullying on our blog as well.

All right. So, there's white wine, red wine, and, well, yes, green red wine. Sound kind of strange? Yes? Well, we'll explain, next.

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KAYE: Welcome back.

It is Earth Day, so let's raise our glasses and celebrate the environment, because more and more wineries are making wine green. In today's "Green Solutions in Focus," photojournalist David Ruff gives us a look at how one winery is taking it a step further and reintroducing an old grape as new.

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ALAN KINNE, CREATED FIRST MODERN NORTON WINE: We're bottling our 2010 barrel select Norton, which is made kind of an intermediate style. It is made like a Beaujolais. We did 140 cases.

JENNIFER MCCLOUD, OWNER, CHRYSALIS VINEYARDS: Right here, right there, poking up in the center, there is a future cluster of Norton grapes. These are really going to town here.

I'm Jenny McCloud. I own Chrysalis Vineyards and Locksley Estate and Caeli farm. We're in Middleburg, Virginia. It has been an agricultural area very fertile for hundreds and hundreds of years.

This is going to be a little more dense.

KINNE: Norton, since it's an indigenous grape variety of Virginia, it's acclimated to the climate here. So you don't really have to do a lot of spraying or anything. It's pretty easy to take care of.

MCCLOUD: Norton, just being a model of health and vigor, if one looks around a Norton vineyard, you don't see any dead vines.

KINNE: It's like bullet-proof. It's easy to grow and it's actually easy, really, to make wines out of.

MCCLOUD: In fact, Norton was very famous and renowned around the world in the late 1800s winning gold medals, being acclaimed great red wine, and then prohibition hit. Once they outlawed alcoholic beverages, everybody went crazy, destroying the vineyards, pulling all of the vines out of the ground.

KINNE: So, really, nobody who was living in Virginia or in the Mid-Atlantic area really knew what Norton wine tasted like until we started to make it again in the 1990s.

MCCLOUD: It has that sort of fruity character, and we use a process --

When, I first started out, you would say "Norton" and people would just glaze over Norton. Never heard of it before.

KINNE: This tank is about full, and we have this little lot to do after that.

I made the first Modern Norton in virgin in 1992.

MCCLOUD: I run into very few people now that don't know Norton and don't know that it's a Native American grape. I'm very proud to be involved in a major way in the restoration of a real heirloom gem.

They are here and they're healthy, and they just want to be here. And that's what is so neat.

KINNE: This is an American grape. It all comes together.

MCCLOUD: It's native, it's disease-resistant. All those things would be meaningless if Norton didn't make really good red wine.

Good, if I do say so myself.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.

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KAYE: 9/11 was a day of loss and destruction in New York City, but one New Yorker vowed never to never forget the help that the city received after the attack. Since 2004, Jeff Parness has been saying thank you, paying it forward, and that has snowballed across the entire U.S.

He is this week's CNN Hero.

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JEFF PARNESS, CNN HERO: September 11th was a very tough time for the fire department. I lost some friends, guys I went to the academy with.

Afterwards, people came from everywhere to help us out. It was incredible. You knew you weren't alone.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, guys.

PARNESS: As a New Yorker, to see that outpouring of kindness and generosity was more powerful than the terror that happened. That really changed me.

I'm Jeff Parness, and I just want to show the world that New Yorkers will never forget what people did for us following 9/11.

Every year, on the 9/11 anniversary, we take volunteers from New York and send them to some part of the country where they had a disaster and help folks rebuild.

Nice to meet you.

You pull into town and the tallest thing there is the grain silo. It's definitely a little culture shock.

Rebuilding homes or barns or churches, it's our way to say thank you. Now more than half our volunteers are not from New York. People from all the small towns that we've helped, they keep showing up to help the next community.

They're from Louisiana and California and Indiana and Illinois. Every year you keep seeing more T-shirts from more locations.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We're going to get you in as much as we can.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After Katrina, we just jumped on his bandwagon. This whole paying it forward thing is just contagious.

PARNESS: It's like this big dysfunctional family reunion of all these disaster survivors who get together and do a barn raising.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're banging nails and building something, but it's the relationships that help you heal.

PARNESS: It's about using the 9/11 anniversary to celebrate in that volunteer spirit.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We'll see you all next year.

PARNESS: People say, "Thank you for doing this." And I say, "You want to thank me? Show up on the next one."

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KAYE: If you know a young person like Jeff who is making a world of difference, tell us about them. And all of this year's CNN Heroes are chosen from people who you nominate at CNN.com/heroes.

Today is Earth Day, and we want to tell you about some free stuff. Yes, that will get your attention.

Today, you get free admission to U.S. national parks. Starbucks is offering free coffee if you bring in your own reusable mug. And Lowe's is giving away free trees.

Coming up after this short break, we'll tell you how you can make money and help the environment by giving away your old gadgets.

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KAYE: Welcome back. We want to check in now with Chad Myers, who's been watching some slow-moving storms.

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KAYE: Today is Earth Day, as we've been telling you. For more than 40 years we've been celebrating what many call the birth of the modern environmental movement. It was created in this country and is now celebrated around the world.

And one of the major problems with the environment right now is the billions of gadgets creating e-waste every single day around the world. And here to show us how to recycle our technology is the editor-in-chief of PCMag.com, Lance Ulanoff. He joins us live from our New York studios.

Lance, I'm glad you're here to talk about this, because there are really a couple of different ways to recycle technology the right way. So, first, let's start with how you can donate it.

LANCE ULANOFF, EDITOR-IN-CHIEF, PCMAG.COM: Well, first of all, I hope this looks familiar to you. This is the stuff you can donate instead of throwing it out.

So, there are organizations like the Cristina Foundation, Cristina.org, that will let you donate your e-waste, your laptops, your desktops, your cell phone, your printers to possibly -- to schools and those less fortunate. You go to the site and you make sure in fact that it's something that can be donated.

There is also something called Cell Phone for Soldiers, and some of these, you know, throw it into one of these bags. They don't send the cell phones to soldiers. What they do is they send it to something called ReCellular which will recycle the phone and then they'll send money to the cell phone organization for prepaid cards for the soldiers. So, you can do that.

And, of course, you know, you should also check with your local schools to see whether or not they're interested in your donation, because certainly, that's another way of making sure you don't end up throwing these things out.

KAYE: So, let's say, though, that the gadgets are too old for people to use even if you donate them. I mean, how can you recycle those without hurting the environment?

ULANOFF: Well, I mean -- so, you know, most of the major consumer electronics retailers like Best Buy, Office Depot and Staples, all of them take your gadget. Some of them will take them for free, some of them will charge you a few dollars. Office Depot will give you a box that you pay maybe $5 or $15 where you fill it up with all these stuff, and they'll take it off of your hands.

Some of them will allow you to do it via mail, although even will come and pick up something like a big TV. They'll come and pick it up. If Best Buy charges you $10, by the way, they'll give you a $10 gift card. And, of course, you can sell your stuff. You can make money off of some of your old gadgets, if they're not too old. You can go to places like Gazelle, and BuyMyTronics and Net Worth (ph). So, you go on to those sites, put in the gadget you have, see how much money you can get.

Sometimes, they will tell you, by the way, you can't get any money for this. And guess what? Then they will offer to recycle your gadget.

KAYE: Yes. But the thing about donating that I think makes a lot of people nervous, or even selling, is that maybe, you know, your hard drive isn't clean, or your gadgets aren't clean. I mean, is there a way that we can make sure that our information, our personal information, isn't there? Maybe our diary or whatever it might be?

ULANOFF: Well, certainly -- look, if you're going to recycle, which means that it's being thrown out, you can actually take your laptop, take the hard drive out and you can destroy it. I mean, I have actually told people to take a nail and put it through the hard drive. They can do that.

With cell phones, you can actually reset the device to its factory reset. Just plug it back in. You're not using it anymore, but you should be able to get juice, and you can do that.

Always take out any removable storage that you can, whether it's a SIM card, a little memory card. Take those things out, too. And do whatever you can to overwrite the hard drive if that's the way you want to go. If you don't want to run a nail through it, you can do that as well.

KAYE: Lance, this was a perfect conversation to have on Earth Day. We're glad we had it. Good luck on getting rid of your gadgets. Appreciate your time.

ULANOFF: Yes. I'm going to try. Bye-bye.

KAYE: See you.

"PC Mag" has a great list of all the gadget recycling places up on their site. And you can head to our blog, CNN.com/Ali to get a link over there.

Well, another senator is suddenly on the way out. Find out what went wrong, next.

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KAYE: It's a little over half past the hour. Here are some stories you may have missed:

Firefighters from at least 36 states are now in Texas to battle wildfires that have scorched more than 1.4 million acres. Some residents who tried to return home on Friday sat behind a roadblock after officials said that fire flare ups made it too dangerous to pass. More than 200 cars were lined up behind the roadblock at one point. Rain has been scarce in the region, leaving Texas Governor Rick Perry to actually ask residents to pray for rain this weekend.

Lindsay Lohan is back in court today, facing charges that she stole a necklace from a jewelry store in Venice, California. Today's preliminary hearing is to decide if the case will actually go to trial. The judge in the case is also expected to decide whether or not Lohan violated her probation for a 2007 drunken driving conviction by being charged with the theft. Lohan decided last month to reject the plea deal, opting to fight the felony grand theft charge.

In Colorado, investigators are asking for the public's help in identifying a man caught on surveillance footage Wednesday near the scene of a failed bombing attempt. It happened at a mall in Littleton, Colorado, less than two miles from Columbine High School, which was the scene of a deadly shooting 12 years ago. A mall security guard found a small fire in the mall and subsequent searches of the area turned up a pipe bomb and two propane tanks.

Police on Long Island are conducting a land search in an area of the town of Oyster Bay for human remains. It's part of an investigation to find more clues in the deaths of eight people. Two teeth that appear to be human were found near the area today. The remains of four women were discovered in that same area back in December.

Republican Senator John Ensigns announced that he'll resign his seat on May 3rd. The Nevada senator previously said he would not seek re-election in 2012, after it was revealed that he had an affair with a female aide and that his parents gave money to her family. Ensign said that he firmly believe he has not violated any law, rule or standard of conduct of the Senate, but he doesn't want to subject his family, his constituents or the Senate to any further rounds of investigations, drawn-out proceedings or even public hearings.

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CROWD: Thank you, America! Thank you, America! Thank you, America!

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KAYE: With shouts of "Thank you, America," as you heard there, Senator John McCain makes a surprise visit to Libya. His challenge to critics opposed to America's involvement is just ahead in "Globe Trekking."

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KAYE: Time now to the go "Globe Trekking."

Our first stop today is Benghazi, Libya, and that's exactly where Senator John McCain made a surprise visit today.

I want to listen to John McCain issuing a challenge to critics of the U.S. involvement in Libya, first. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)

SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: What I have witnessed today in Benghazi is a powerful and hopeful example of what a free Libya could be -- a place where the dignity and the desires of all people for freedom and opportunity are respected. I challenge the critics of the international intervention in Libya to come here to Benghazi, to meet with these people and their leaders, and to repeat that we had no interest in preventing Gadhafi from slaughtering these Libyan dissidents, which is exactly what he had pledged to do.

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KAYE: With chants of "Thank you, America," you can tell that McCain received a warm welcome. You can see that there's a stalemate in the Libyan war, and more power NATO is needed. His visit comes a day after U.S. Predator drones were deployed in Libya.

John McCain says that the opposition fighters are not al Qaeda. He says that he opposes troops on the ground there, but he does say that the rebel forces need help. He went to a hospital there. He saw fierce fighting in Misrata, a city under a bloody siege by Gadhafi loyalists and he talked about that city. Rebels claimed victory as well in taking over central Misrata building today, the National Insurance Building. It is the tallest building there in Misrata.

Meanwhile, let's go to Syria now where at least 33 people were killed today in the latest wave of protests. Security forces opened fire on demonstrators during mass protest in Syria. Witnesses say one of those killed was actually shot in the neck. Mass demonstrations come just a day after President Bashar al-Assad actually lifted the country's 48-year-old state of emergency and abolished the state security court -- these are both key demands of protesters who have taken to the streets. And those rallies continue -- huge rallies have been common in Syria after Friday prayers across the predominantly Muslim nation.

And there's news in Egypt as well today. Their prosecutors are detaining former President Hosni Mubarak for another two weeks we have learned. Prosecutors questioned him today.

Mubarak has been in the hospital -- well, he's still in the hospital, but could soon be moved to a prison, we don't know if we had an issue with his heart or a nervous breakdown -- because we've heard both coming out of Egypt. He was treated for health problems, including a heart palpitations, and blood pressure issues. His two sons are in custody there in Cairo. They're in jail, and he may join them there once he gets out of that hospital.

And moving on, almost every airline in the U.S. raised its prices in the last few days. More money into the airlines pockets, right? I'll break it down in a minute and you might be surprised how much the airlines actually make.

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KAYE: Forty-three minutes past the hour.

This week, we got some bad news from the airlines. Delta, Southwest, JetBlue and a whole bunch of others said they were raising the price on round-trip fares by 10 bucks. They're blaming rising fuel prices for the increase.

And if history is any judge, any attempt of adding this kind of increase only works when the discount carriers are on board.

If we're all going to be shelling out more for that plane ticket, you're probably wondering if all that money is going to line the pockets of the airlines. I don't blame you for asking that. The folks at CNNMoney.com decided to break down the ticket price to see why we are paying so much.

The typical airfare between New York and Los Angeles is now over 500 bucks. And right off of the top are the fixed labor costs. That's for pilots, flight attendants and the people who take your ticket and handle your bag actually. That's going to cost you about $95.

Now, here's the big one, fuel. For this flight that costs the airline about 100 bucks per person, but that is just this week. That can go up or down as the market price fluctuates, just like the price of gasoline for your car jumps around at the pump from week to week.

By the way, the price of jet fuel is already up about 50 percent from this time last year. And don't forget about the taxes. Not only do you pay tax on the ticket when you buy it, but the airline also pays a handful of taxes before it even sells you that ticket to the tune of about $75 in this case.

Then there is the long list of miscellaneous costs. That includes everything from payment to merchants and regional partners, to paying for the lease on the plane you're in and even interest on the money that the airline borrows to pay for everything up front.

So, do the airlines make any money off of this flight? Well, yes, they do, a grand total of about 33 bucks.

But remember, each time that the cost of fuel goes up and they don't put on a surcharge, it comes come right out of the profit. And if bad weather cancels the flight, and they have to reschedule, ad it up again.

Thirty-three bucks seems pretty good, though, compared to the bad old days when most airlines were either breaking even or losing money on most flights.

So now, when you see the airfare for the summer destination go up, you know where the money is going. Not sure if that is going to ease the pain though, of course.

Now, there is just one week left, but Kate Middleton isn't the only one who has been looking for the perfect dress for her big day. So has our royal contributor Cat Deeley, and a girl can't be outshined by Piers Morgan and Anderson Cooper, right?

Well, look out, boys, Cat is on the prowl for a dress.

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CAT DEELEY, CNN ROYAL CONTRIBUTOR: One of the events of the world is fast approaching on the 29th of April.

Now I'm hosting with Piers and Anderson. And the thing is it's very easy for them, they can just put on a suit and they look dapper and handsome and charming. For me, I have to find something to wear which is not too big of a problem, cause I'm here at Mulberry, so let me at them.

This is Anna Foster, celeb-stylist extraordinaire. We have been working together for approximately --

ANNA FOSTER, CELEBRITY STYLIST: Seven --

DEELEY: No, three years.

FOSTER: Yes, we are both under 30.

DEELEY: Exactly, and we moisturize heavily.

FOSTER: I think we should go for two options. I think we should go for a short and a long.

DEELEY: Well, it's not very glitzy, though.

FOSTER: Yes. But I think that it is matte, so it is not too shiny. And on camera, it might look lovely.

DEELEY: Do I need something more of birds to make it happen?

FOSTER: Well, I think some birds did die in the making of this dress.

DEELEY: OK, I have made some selections and it is now trying-on time. A girl needs options.

There you go, lots of lovely options to choose from, but it is a woman's prerogative to change her mind. I have a couple of favorites, but you're just going to have to tune in to CNN on the 29th of April to see exactly what I choose.

Bye.

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KAYE: And you can join Cat and Anderson Cooper and Piers Morgan next Friday, April 29th at 4:00 a.m. for the royal wedding experience. But first Soledad O'Brien will make sure you are caught up with "THE WOMEN WHO WOULD BE QUEEN." That's this Sunday at 8:00 p.m. Eastern. Watch it.

So, if the price was right, would you give up a kidney? Our "Stream Team" tackles this issue next.

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KAYE: With waiting lists for kidneys getting longer, medical professionals have been debating how to improve the kidney donation system in this country.

According to the National Kidney Foundation, in 2009, only 19 percent of the nearly 83,000 people on the waiting list for a kidney actually received one. The Foundation also says that about 18 people die every day while waiting for an organ transplant in the U.S.

Now due to these dire numbers, some are suggesting that an organ market should be established, a market that would pay out cash or other incentives to help increase the number of kidney donors.

So the question for the "Stream Team" is: Should people be paid to donate a kidney?

With us today, Arthur Caplan, he's a director at the University of Pennsylvania, Lisa Bloom is an attorney with The Bloom Firm, and Raymond Raad is a resident-in-psychiatrist at the New York Presbyterian Hospital, he joins us by phone.

Raymond, let me start with you. Has paying for organs worked anywhere in the world?

DR. RAYMOND RAAD, NEW YORK PRESBYTERIAN HOSPITAL (via telephone): Yes, it has. It has been tried in Iran. It was tried in 1993 and it actually eliminated the entire shortage in about a year.

KAYE: So, what do you think, are you for this?

RAAD: I am for this.

KAYE: And why?

RAAD: Well, I think there are two reasons. One of them is that I care about people's health and I need people who need to get one in order to live longer. And two, because I think people have a right to their own bodies and that includes donating organs it includes if they want to get money for that organ, that that's OK too. People should be able to have that choice.

KAYE: Arthur, what would you say is wrong with people making a choice to donate based on financial gain, if anything? Is it unethical?

PROF. ARTHUR CAPLAN, PENN SCHOOL OF MEDICINE: Well, they are not donating, they are selling. Four big reasons why there is trouble here.

First, if you ask doctors just to take out people's parts solely so they can make money, it violates their ethics. What kind of doctor is going to be respected or trusted if they say, yes, I will remove a vital organ so that you can sell it? Secondly, major religions are going to drop out of this. They've made it clear that the only way they support for organs available is to have it altruistic and voluntary -- the Catholic Church, Muslims, Jewish groups, Fundamental Protestants. And if you lose them, you're going to wind up with fewer organs than you started with.

Third, the international experience outside of the controversial one in Iran has been a disaster. It's exploitation of the poor. People complain after the fact that they regret bitterly selling a kidney, that it's just been disastrous for them in terms of their health.

And the last major reason is, I think if you look at what has been going on with the kidney sale, you're going to skew the whole supply to the rich. If the you start to putting it up on an open market, you're going to wind up only with the wealthy will get them.

KAYE: Going to the highest bidder, in other words?

ARTHUR: Yes.

KAYE: Lisa, in Spain, laws have been created that presumes organ consent upon death, and one has to actually register to not be an organ donor there. So legally, do you think that's something that might be able to work in the U.S.?

LISA BLOOM, THE BLOOM FIRM: Yes, I like that idea. I don't see any legal prohibition on selling kidneys or other bodily organs here in the U.S. After all, people are regularly selling blood, sperm, eggs and sometimes they get around it, they say they are not actually selling it, but their expenses are paid.

Bottom line, is there are over 80,000 people in the U.S. desperate for kidney donation. Are we going to come up with a system to give those folks what they need before they pass away from lack of a kidney. I think that this is an idea that we should consider, but I think it's a very, very tough issue.

KAYE: And, Raymond, I want you to respond to what Arthur was saying about this would exploit the poor. I know that we're done several stories on medical tourism where people go -- organ tourism, as they call it, where people go to other countries to try to get organs.

So how would you like to defend that?

RAAD: I would absolutely like to defend that.

People in -- countries in which people are getting exploited are not countries that have been legalized it. They but they have black markets in organs, somewhere in places like India.

I actually think when you legalize it, you will get rid of the black market and you actually have a method of then defending people who are exploited and to whom -- whose organs are taken without just compensation and without their consent. So I actually think legalizing protects against exploitation to the poor.

I also want to respond to his argument that the Catholic Church would be against this and certain groups would be against this.

I'm not going to -- the proposal to pay people for their organs does not mean that the Catholics have to get involved or that doctors who oppose it have to get involved. It just means that the people who are not Catholic or who think it is OK who want to do this would have that option.

KAYE: And, Arthur, when you talk about the ethics, what is better here, to run the risk of a black market or people to exploited or let these people die?

CAPLAN: Well, I think every organ transplant center should make it clear that they don't accept organs obtained on a black market. They are responsible, ultimately, for knowing where they came from.

The problem is you can't just isolate the Catholics or people who didn't want to do this. As soon as you institute a market in the U.S., you are going to turn organ donation into the equivalent of the abortion controversy, the stem cell controversy, and you're going to listen to the sound of donor cards ripped up all over America. The religious issue is a very important one in terms of trying to serve those in need, trying to maximize the most number of organs.

We're not going to see two parallel systems. Once the market appears, that's going to be it for many people who are going to say I can't participate.

KAYE: So people don't have the options to buy organs, Lisa. We've seen this case of this death row inmate who would like to donate organs. Do you think that's a possibility, do you think that's a good idea?

ARTHUR: Sure. I think that anybody -- you are talking about death row inmates donating organs? I think anybody who wants to donate an organ should.

But you know, I look at it from the point of view that if I were desperate for a kidney and someone were kind enough to donate, I would want that person to get a cash payment. Why shouldn't they? The doctor is making money off of the procedure, the hospital is making money off of it. Why shouldn't the person who suffers the most get a cash payment to ease their lives after the surgery? I think that's only fair. As long as we have safeguards in place to make sure people are mentally and physically OK before they donate.

KAYE: All right. Lisa, Arthur, Raymond, we will leave it there, but a really important discussion and one that people will be talking about until this gets resolved.

BLOOM: Tough one.

KAYE: Thank you all. Have a good weekend. We'll be right back.

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