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President Obama Visits Ground Zero; U.S.-Pakistan Relationship in Jeopardy?; Bin Laden's Wife Interrogated; Epic Flooding in Midwest; Surviving the Alabama Tornados; Roots of Terrorism; CNN Inside Taliban Jailbreak Tunnel; Man Killed After Firing at Police; Gold Heist Caught on Came; Bullied to Death
Aired May 05, 2011 - 16:00 ET
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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: And now, as we look back, nine years, seven months, 24 days, a painful chapter closes in the September 11 terrorist attacks.
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GEORGE W. BUSH, FORMER PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I can hear you. The rest of the world hears you. And the people who knocked these buildings down will hear all of us soon!
(CHEERING AND APPLAUSE)
BALDWIN (voice-over): One president stood at Ground Zero making a promise. And now, nearly one decade later, another president stands at Ground Zero to complete the promise. You will see the emotional moments.
Plus --
HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, U.S. SECRETARY OF STATE: It is not always an easy relationship.
BALDWIN: Pakistan says its relationship with the U.S. is in serious jeopardy and now warnings there could be consequences after Americans cross the border to kill Osama bin Laden.
And --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Inside this tunnel, you get an idea of how cramp and difficult it must have been to move through.
BALDWIN: Hundreds of inmates right now on the run, many of them Taliban fighters. Don't miss this inside look at how they escaped from prison.
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BALDWIN: Welcome back to CNN NEWSROOM. I'm Brooke Baldwin.
The president, after death of Osama bin Laden, has made his visit to New York a very low-key visit after the death of Osama bin Laden. Watch this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: What happened on Sunday, because of the courage of our military and the outstanding work of our intelligence, sent a message around the world, but also sent a message here back home that when we say we will never forget, we mean what we say.
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BALDWIN: President Obama made the rounds with -- there he is -- former New York Mayor -- New York City Mayor Rudy Giuliani beginning at fire station, it's known as Engine 54, Ladder 4, Battalion 9. There you see the president paying tribute to the station's fallen heroes, 15 of whom died at Ground Zero back on September 11, 2001.
The president also lunched with some of those firefighters on food they prepared themselves. And here is what they told us afterward.
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EDWARD KILDUFF, NEW YORK FIRE DEPARTMENT CHIEF: It was a wonderful lunch. There was a -- it was a very informal lunch. The president was very much at ease, but still wanted everybody to know, again, how much he appreciated all the work that the first-responders and firefighters do for them.
JOE CERAVOLO, NEW YORK FIREFIGHTER: He loved the shrimp. He loved the veal. He really liked eggplant Parmesan. He was a really down-to-earth guy, sat down, like the chief said. Everything was formal. We were just -- you know, just like hanging out with the rest of the guys in the firehouse.
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CERAVOLO: He look like he liked everything. It seemed like he liked everything.
QUESTION: Sir, did you have anything that you wanted to say from him? This firehouse has suffered a lot.
CERAVOLO: No, we thank -- thank him for just the recognition. Coming by, it was really a spectacular thing. He came. Genuinely, he thanked us all. We just wanted to tell him -- we thanked him for what he did on Sunday.
And all the troops and all, we want to let them know that we're with them, you know, every step of the way, and thank -- God bless them. Thank them. I mean, if it wasn't for them, you know, we'd still be chasing this guy.
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BALDWIN: And just after 1:00 Eastern time this afternoon, the president laid a wreath of flowers, red, white and blue, at the site of Ground Zero. And then silence was observed.
And, as we said, if you were watching with us here at CNN, it was a very low-key trip, no speech, low-key, but I want to stress quite meaningful, according to a lot of the people we have heard from.
And among those people, Monica Iken, she lost her husband Michael back on September 11, 2001, and she was among those few who actually met the president today.
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MONICA IKEN, LOST HUSBAND ON 9/11: I said thank you. We all were very pleased and honored to have him and to -- you know, I told him about the work that we have been doing with the memorial and the museum. We were grateful that he was able to see it and experience it, 129 days to go until the 10th anniversary.
I told him about my husband, Michael Patrick Iken, showed him a picture, and told him about where he worked, and was just honored to be able to tell him about Michael and really express the need to continue supporting this memorial and museum for the future generations to come. And there were some children there.
And I think it was a very powerful moment to be able to really tell him about it.
BALDWIN: Yes, it was powerful. As we said, it appeared fairly low-key. And, you know, the White House today said that the president was there. He wanted to pay respects and he also wanted to provide, quoting the White House, a sense of closure.
But Mrs. Iken, is this really closure for you? Is that the appropriate word?
IKEN: No. There isn't any closure for the families. This is just the beginning for us to continue honoring our loved ones, to making sure their memories are never forgotten, to keep inspiring the world with our world-class memorial that's soon to come, 129 days to go.
And I can't keep expressing that more. I think people will be very pleased to see eight acres out of 16 dedicated to our loved ones with a beautiful memorial and a museum to come and how important it is for us to have our memories of our loved ones to tell the story of their lives, and who they were.
And there's no closure. And it's just -- it's moving forward and keep preserving their memories. That's really what we're here to do. And every day I say his name, Michael Patrick Iken, and I honor him and all those who are not here today to witness this moment of the 10th anniversary upon us.
BALDWIN: Well, we're looking -- Monica, we're looking at some pictures. This is actually an animation of what you speak about this memorial, what it will eventually look at. And folks can go to 911memorial.org, of course, to see that. Where will you be as you honor your husband this upcoming 10th anniversary of 9/11? Where will you be? Will you be right where you are right now?
IKEN: I -- I -- I will be there. I can't wait -- 129 days, I'm going to keep saying it, so people know around the world to come and see this memorial and honor our loved ones. And I can't wait to go home and say, I'm finally here, Michael. I'm finally home. You're home.
That's going to be a proud day. I'm going to bring my two little girls, who are almost 4 and 6. And, someday, they will know why mommy's there honoring some person they don't know. And I think it's going to be a proud day for America and the world, because it's going to be a world-class memorial. I can't stress it enough.
I'm so pleased to be a part of this process for nine-and-a-half years and I will continue doing it until I can't do it anymore.
BALDWIN: And if I may, you mentioned your two little ones. As a mother, how do you keep -- how do you keep your husband's memory alive?
IKEN: By doing this work. I continue to do it. And even though I have a new husband and two beautiful girls -- I'm really blessed. You know, 9/11, I lost my husband, and he was my angel and I was blessed to have him and to know him.
And the gift I can give back and teach my girls is that you can do something powerful and still go on with your life, but you never forget. And this allows me to live my life and actually move forward. And this is, you know, a blessing for me to be -- to have been able to do this work. And I'm proud to one day share with my girls, and, you know, telling them the story of Michael and why, you know, we did this work.
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BALDWIN: Monica Iken, thank you.
As President Obama pays tribute to 9/11 victims today, we are getting some new information about the raid that went down Sunday night in bin Laden's compound, including whether an autopsy was performed on his body, why the U.S. chose that particular night, and why one Navy SEAL actually got down on the ground and laid right next to the body of the dead al Qaeda leader.
Plus, the story keeps changing about what exactly happened moments before those Navy SEALs pulled the trigger. Well, we are now hearing there wasn't much of a firefight after all. We're getting all the news from the Pentagon next.
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BALDWIN: Well, we are now getting a wealth of new details about the deadly raid on Osama bin Laden's compound and some sightings leading up this past Sunday night.
I want to get right to Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr.
Barbara Starr, there is a lot to get to. I want to begin some of the sightings of this man outside of this compound. What are you learning?
BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Well, Brooke, we have talked to a U.S. official very familiar with the latest information.
He tells us, in the weeks and months leading up to the assault on the compound, the U.S. intelligence community had some information a tall man had been sighted out in the compound yard, if you will, walking around several times, multiple times, doing a sort of prison walk, not going outside the walls, but walking around.
And let's take a look at the schematic drawing of the compound itself, because now we know --
BALDWIN: Here it is.
STARR: Yes, we know a lot more. Let me have them put that up and have everybody take a solid look at it. And we will walk you through it.
The SEALs began in that lower building, that lower yellow building, essentially a guesthouse. In that building, they went there first. They found a Kuwaiti courier for bin Laden. They shot that man dead very quickly. That actually was the only armed resistance the SEALs faced. They shot him dead.
They moved to that larger three-story building. They -- on the main floor, they shot the courier's brother dead. Then they found Osama bin Laden's son coming down the stairs at them. They shot him dead.
None of those men, except for the first guy back in the guesthouse, were able to get off any rounds against the SEALs, we are told. And then the SEALs, of course, moved right up to the third floor, burst in. That's where they found Osama bin Laden, shot him once in the chest, then in the head.
That is the way the SEALs do this sort of thing, a double-tap of two quick, very-rapid-succession bullets. Now, what they tell us is there were arms everywhere in the compound. There were guns, AK-47s, that sort of thing, so all of these people posed a threat to them.
BALDWIN: Yes.
STARR: But it's kind of interesting to see, as more information comes along, not a sustained firefight, one firefight with the first guy and then they pretty much took care of business, Brooke.
BALDWIN: And it was the armed resistance, as you mentioned, from that one courier outside. I am looking at my notes that I was handed. These are notes from you here. And I do want you to point out why was it that they chose this particular night. Why Sunday?
STARR: Well, we asked that.
They had had this compound under surveillance for months, so why not two weeks ago? Why not today? First, the weather was good. Second, they had maximum darkness, as little moonlight as possible. And they had been watching the compound for a very long time. They knew about these sightings.
And you get to the point, I suppose, where you begin to get a little nervous that the people might move around. They knew they were all there. That leads to an interesting question which they are not answering. If they knew everybody was there, they must have had the place under surveillance in some fashion.
And that's when they decided to make their move, on Sunday night. They thought they had the maximum chance for success.
BALDWIN: And, then, Barbara, as they made their move, after they had shot and killed Osama bin Laden, this other piece of information -- this is fascinating from your note about the -- your U.S. official you were talking to said one of the SEALs laid down next to a dead bin Laden. Why?
STARR: Yes.
Well, they -- you know, they pretty much knew they had him just by looking at his face. I mean, look, this is one of the most recognizable faces in the world, isn't it, for the last 10 years. But bin Laden of course was very tall, very thin.
They wanted to get, basically, a sense of the height of this dead man laying on the floor. Apparently, they didn't have a tape measure or anything, so, basically, one of the SEALs laid down next to him and was able to sort of get a sense that, yes, this dead body was that of a man well over six feet tall.
It helped them understand, you know, once and for all that bin Laden, that was the man they really had. And then they were able to radio to their commander that they had achieved their objective, Brooke.
BALDWIN: And the assault, also part of your note, code named Operation Neptune Spear.
Barbara Starr with all of these details today, thank you so much for passing these along.
STARR: Sure.
BALDWIN: Barbara from the Pentagon.
Now this. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
HILLARY RODHAM CLINTON, SECRETARY OF STATE: It is not -- not always an easy relationship.
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BALDWIN: That could be an understatement here, especially when you look at the past 48 hours because now Pakistan is saying its relationship with the United States is in serious jeopardy. We will tell you how the Pakistanis are threatening the U.S. and why it could mean a major, major change in the fight against terror.
Also, we're getting new information on bin Laden's wife, the youngest wife who was found shot inside the compound. More on those details next.
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BALDWIN: We keep learning more and more information about what happened within that compound Sunday night, but also about Osama bin Laden's wife, the one who American commandos shot and wounded during that raid inside the compound. She is now in the hands of Pakistani investigators and she is under interrogation, and folks, she's talking.
CNN's senior international correspondent, Nic Robertson, is outside that compound in Abbottabad, Pakistan.
And, Nic, what is Mrs. bin Laden -- what -- what is she saying?
NIC ROBERTSON, CNN SENIOR INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: She is saying some pretty staggering things. And perhaps the most shocking for many people is she has said that she was living in the compound for five years and her husband as well, which gives the impression that he was here, Osama bin Laden, and she was here for a very long time under the noses of Pakistani authorities, under the noses of the people in the houses just a few yards away. Five long years they were living here, Brooke.
BALDWIN: What happens, then, Nic with this wife, there were also 13 children inside that compound, what happens to them now and where are they?
ROBERTSON: Well, they are in Pakistani custody and probably the sort of working analysis here is that they are in Rawalpindi the main military area, the military headquarters just outside the capital, Islamabad. It's it is perhaps 45 miles or so over the mountains as the crow flies from here, a couple hours drive. They are being held there.
Thirteen children, according to Pakistani military, taken to the compound. Eight of them, they say, belong to bin Laden and many of them, they say, of Yemeni origin, perhaps the children of bin Laden's Yemeni wife who is also being held as well. And the Pakistani authorities say they are questioning the wife and they're going to repatriate the family back to its country of origin, meaning Yemen. They haven't said when they are going do this and they're not given any clues over how long this period of interrogation with the wife is going to go on either -- Brooke.
BALDWIN: Well, Nic, as we try to get Pakistani reaction to this whole story, and now you just shared the nugget that bin Laden and his wife had been living in this compound for five years, how is Pakistan responding to that, the fact that no one reported that?
ROBERTSON: The answer you get here it is a shock, it is a surprise. The intelligence services have said, look, we made a mistake, we didn't catch it, we should have. It doesn't mean we are not trying to.
Pakistani military, today, had a top-level meeting in Rawalpindi. They said they were going to investigate this find out how it was missed in.
But frankly, there are people here in this city who will tell you that they don't believe bin Laden there. But if you push them on it and say, OK, let's just say that he did and what the United States is saying absolutely true and eventually you'll probably find that out for yourselves, but let's just take it as true, can you believe that bin Laden could have lived there without people knowing.
And I talked to a lawyer here and he told me, no, if bin Laden was there for that long, people must have known, neighbors must have known and they would have told init tell the intelligence service, which does lead to that conclusion that perhaps close to the intelligence services, former intelligence sources officers who had ties for militant Islamics in this region over the past couple of decades, because those ties do exist historically here, perhaps they were people that knew and perhaps helped facilitate and hide bin Laden in this way.
BALDWIN: Well, Pakistan may be looking into it, so is the U.S.
Nic Robertson in be Abbottabad, Pakistan, thank you.
And now this, look at those pictures. Days after those explosives blew up the levee in Missouri, engineers getting ready to do it again. This as large sections of the country brace for what people are calling epic flooding. Coming up, the rush to save lives and homes along the fast-rising Mississippi and Ohio Rivers.
Also, brand-new pictures from the deadly tornado break in Alabama. Can you believe it has been one week? I'm going to speak with a woman who hid with her children inside the family bathtub as a twister rocked town. Wait until you hear what came -- and some of those pictures perhaps foreshadowing -- what came crashing through their home.
These are live pictures. This is what her home looks like now, total loss. She is going to join me, share her story, next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
BALDWIN: A weather emergency threatens most states up and down the Mississippi River. Water is rising so fast and so high along the Mississippi that the flood threat is now being called epic.
And to help fight those floods, the Army Corps of Engineers blasted even more holes in this Missouri levee past hour. It is the third time they have done that thus far this week.
Now, the river levels, they have been dropping, but this is by no means the end of this. We are told the worst could come in the week ahead.
Today, emergency workers in Millington, Tennessee are going door to door, asking people to get out. And for many people along the Mississippi, that warning comes too late.
Listen to this.
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DALE WOOD, HOME FLOODED: It is sickening, it's real sickening. From the time we built this house from the ground up and it is tough.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Everybody in this whole area right here, the houses are gone.
REBECCA MARTIN, HOME FLOODED: I want to get the things above my closet, which is old pictures of the family and stuff, and that means a lot to me. And I feel sorry for anybody that is in this situation because I know how you feel.
BRIAN FEEZOR, FLOODED FARMER: So many emotions, it's hard to explain it. The biggest one is sick to your stomach.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No one has flood insurance because it's never done this before.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm on a hill. I thank god for hills. So we are safe so far.
KIM EDDINGTON, DISPLACED BY FLOOD: Just doing the best we can, you know? It is pretty bad, the water, I don't know what to do with it.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have never experienced it, just like everybody else hasn't. So you know, this is where we choose to live, just like the people in Bird Point. That's where they wanted to live, they knew what was going to happen.
We knew it could happen here, so you know, it's no different than New Orleans. So you just deal with it, you pick up, you move on, you rebuild and hope it don't happen anymore.
(END VIDEO CLIP) BALDWIN: Flooding one issue we are talking about. Also, those 200 tornadoes, that massive outbreak, historic outbreak last week. I'm going to seek with Lucy Sikes standing in front of what is now -- her home is pretty much gone. She is in Tuscaloosa, Alabama. Her story in 70 seconds.
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BALDWIN: With so much breaking news this week, I do not want us to forget the people trying to recover from last week's outbreak of deadly tornadoes.
Folks, keep in mind, in a single day, nearly 200 confirmed tornadoes hit several southern states. So far the death toll stands at 327, but as we know, many, many people are still missing to date, and for the survivors, there is a long recovery ahead.
One of those survivors, Lucy Sikes, she's mom of two. She is standing in front of, well, I guess, Lucy, what used to be your home. It's a total loss. Thank you for coming on and sharing your story.
Lucy, it was one week ago today that you and so many of your neighbors woke up to a new reality. How has this last week been for you and your family?
LUCY SIKES, TUSCALOOSA RESIDENT: It really has been a blur almost. It seems almost like it was just two days ago and then again, like it was a year ago. It really all still seems very surreal.
BALDWIN: Take me back to the moment when you and your little ones were inside your home and you're telling them to hop in the bathtub.
What was that like, and what did the storms sound like?
SIKES: Well, it sounded exactly like people tell you it sounds. It sounds almost like a freight train. It's kind of like a hum.
And so, we all ran into the bathroom and we were in the bathtub. And the house started to vibrate and kind of move. And I don't remember specific noises, I just remember a lot of noise. I don't know when the trees came through the house, I don't know when the windows blew out or when the front door blew open.
But it all happened so fast it seemed, maybe 30 seconds, I guess. One of my children started crying; the other one was kind of oblivious to what was going on. But it was a scary, it seemed like a few minutes for a while at least.
BALDWIN: Oh, we're looking -- here is a before picture what your beautiful home once looked like. We saw the trees on the roof, we saw the car flipped on its side. Obviously, looking at you there today, you made a little bit of progress, I guess, in cleaning up and moving that car from your home. But if you can, just describe the moment that you sort of perhaps peeked out of your bathroom saw the destruction. SIKES: Well, we didn't even have to open the front door. The front door had been blown open. And so we made it down the hall and looked out what had been our front door, and our front yard looked like a forest. There were trees everywhere. And then the next thing I noticed was my car, which was on its side. It had been parked about where I'm standing now, parallel to the curb, and it was picked up and thrown into the front yard on its side.
And then all of our neighbors started coming out and we started yelling for each other. And then I noticed there were no trees left. We live in a very old neighborhood. 50-year-old pine trees are what fell on my house. And so all of our wonderful, old trees were gone. We were more concerned about our neighbors here and climbing over trees get to people to help. So, that is what I thought of immediately. And then it was, oh my gosh, what do we do next?
BALDWIN: What do you do next?
SIKES: And that's when my head kind of started spinning.
BALDWIN: What do you do next, Lucy? What's next for you and your three-year-old and your six-year-old? What's next?
SIKES: Well, we have moved into a garden home, a friend's parents here in town had an open garden home, so we are living there now. We are trying to decide what exactly happens here at 60 and (INAUDIBLE) and trying to put some normalcy back into our lives. I sent my children to be with my parents. Hi, Harper and Everest, if you are watching to give them some stability. And they will be back this weekend and we will start school again, will go become to the office again. I guess now it is just trying to decide exactly what does our future hold for us.
BALDWIN: Lucy, I know you work -- Tuscaloosa is a college town. We all know University of Alabama, I know you work at Alabama. Are all -- are the classes out? I mean, how are all those students doing?
SIKES: There were about 30,000 students here and because of the tornado, classes were canceled the last two days of last week and then the rest of this week. Exams were also canceled and so was graduation. So, the seniors that would have graduated this weekend will be graduating in August.
But what I have been amazed at, as many of the students have stayed here and they have used fraternity houses and sorority house as collection points for food, for supplies, for clothing, for baby items. And they've also started cooking from these homes as well and delivering hot meals across the community. The last figure I heard was that 8,000 meals delivered by our Greek system.
BALDWIN: How about that? Quickly, Lucy, since I have you here on national TV, your folks are watching. And I just wanted to make sure we get your story on, that we don't forget there are so many people who need help across the Southeast. How can people help you in Tuscaloosa? SIKES: Well, certainly, there is a fund set up through the University of Alabama. You can access it at www.ua.edu. That would be one of the greatest places to go. But then also our Red Cross and our United Way locally are also accepting donation. And even if it is a donation of something material or monetary, we really would like for you all to keep us in your thoughts and prayers. I know there's been a lot of news lately but please, keep us in your thoughts and prayers.
BALDWIN: We are.
Lucy Sikes, my best to you. Thank you for coming on.
SIKES: Thank you.
BALDWIN: Thank you.
And if you would like to find out more ways you can help -- Lucy just mentioned a couple of ways, but we here at CNN work on ways to help you help. Just go to CNN.com/impact. That's the Impact Your World Web site. You will find organizations and ways you can had help those in need. Again, CNN.com/impact.
And back to the other big story. He is considered one of America's top terrorist hunters. Vice Admiral William McCraven leading the Navy SEAL team who tracked bin Laden. Wait until you hear how long he prepared for this and what he considered the six things necessary to win this mission.
Plus, when the SEALs left behind that helicopter, just a piece of it, they left behind a huge secret. Now, there are concerns the technology has ended up in the wrong hands. We are back in 70 seconds.
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BALDWIN: You know, we just learned this afternoon that President Obama has now personally thanked the man behind the Navy SEALs unit who took out Osama bin Laden. He is -- here is a name you need to know, Commander of Joint Special Forces Command and Vice Admiral William McCraven.
McCraven has been busy briefing not just the president about this particular mission but members of Congress, congressional leaders as well. He is one of the most experienced terrorist hunters in the U.S. military. He is a former SEAL himself. McCraven supervised the weeks of intense training for this covert operation. Actually wrote the textbook, it is called "Spec Ops." And Admiral McCraven has six requirements for any successful mission. Here they are. Surprise, speed, security, simplicity, purpose and repetition.
But for this bin Laden mission, he also insisted on precision. Supervised manhunts for Taliban and al Qaeda militants all over the world. McCraven graduated from the University of Texas at Austin back in 1977. And how about this? He as a journalism major. And that is just a couple of pixels of what is emerging of the much bigger picture here. Coming up tomorrow, CNN's Barbara Starr will take a closer look at the man behind the mission.
Now the Navy SEALs left behind something when they took down bin Laden, and today we are getting a closer look at it. Take a look at these pictures here, these are pictures from Reuters. They were taken at bin Laden's compound just hours after Sunday's raid.
And this picture, this is what is left of what could be a stealth helicopter that was a secret until now. So, none of the pictures, the story is out there -- we are all talking about it. But is the Pentagon actually acknowledging that this thing exists? That is the exact question I asked Pentagon correspondent Chris Lawrence. Watch what he told me.
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CHRIS LAWRENCE, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: No, short answer, Brooke.
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LAWRENCE: They're not saying anything about it. In fact, you know, it's -- they -- the SEALs who were on the ground there tried to blow this helicopter up.
What happened was, when they clipped that compound wall, part of it fell in the compound. Part of it fell outside the compound. The SEALs blew up the part in the compound, but, again, they had Osama bin Laden's body. They're rushing to get out of there. You have to make the call, is it worth going back to try to set a second explosion?
They hustled the body out of there. And that tail section is what was left behind.
BALDWIN: So, are they worried at all, Chris, that because that tail section was left behind, that that could fall into the wrong hands?
LAWRENCE: There's obviously some worry. I have been told that it's right now in the hands of the Pakistani government, that perhaps it could be handed back over to the U.S. But with the relationship right now between the U.S. and Pakistan, it could just as easily be passed on to some third party, like Russia or China.
And the thing about this is, you know, we have been talking to folks who fly Black Hawks and aviation experts. They have never seen a Black Hawk like this one. When they look at it and see, you know, an Army Black Hawk that's not painted olive green, but radar- suppressant gray, when they look and see that it's got an extra rotor that would suppress the sound, they say some of the angles on it are more like an F-22, which would help it defeat radar.
And they say it's got this hubcap-looking thing on the end of it which they have never seen on any other Black Hawk, all of these modifications -- what they say are modifications to what the normal Black Hawk would be.
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BALDWIN: Chris Lawrence at the Pentagon.
Now, some lawmakers suggest it is not Afghanistan where the U.S. needs to be hunting down terrorists. Coming up next, a look at how extremists live and what they want in the nuclear nation of Pakistan.
Also this, a driver opens fire on police during this traffic stop. Find out what happened after he got back into his car. That's ahead.
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BALDWIN: I don't need to tell you this. You know since 9/11, Osama bin Laden has been public enemy number one, and he was really the poster child for extremism. But he is gone now. But the problems that helped create bin Laden's brand of terror persist. And as part of CNN's in-depth reporting on both Afghanistan and Pakistan, CNN's Reza Sayah reports bin Laden did not create the problems, he was merely a symptom.
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CROWD: USA! USA! USA!
REZA SAYAH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Many Americans cheered when they heard U.S. forces had killed Osama bin Laden, the man who, for nearly a decade, was the face of terrorism and Islamic extremism.
But here in Pakistan and neighboring Afghanistan, what many see as the root causes of extremism are still largely ignored.
TAHIRA ABDULLAH, HUMAN RIGHTS ACTIVIST: Bin Laden was a symbol, an illustration of a mindset and an ideology, which lives on.
SAYAH: Human rights activists Tahira Abdullah says that extremist ideology is fueled by crushing poverty in Pakistan and Afghanistan, where governments have failed to provide the most basic human needs. U.N. studies show in Pakistan half of the adult population is illiterate and earns less than $2 a day.
ABDULLAH: It is the lack of democracy. It is the lack of economic development. It is the lack of basic minimum needs, food, clothing, shelter, livelihoods. It is the lack of opportunities.
SAYAH: But there are many Muslim countries in the world where poverty and corruption haven't led to extremism, so why has it happened here?
AAYSIA RIAZ, POLITICAL ANALYST: Today, of course, U.S. presence is acting as a rallying point for these people.
SAYAH : Political analysts Aaysia Riaz says what is different in this region is the powerful perception that America is waging war with Islam. The perception intensified by an almost decades-long U.S.-led military occupation of Afghanistan, where thousands of innocent civilians who had little to do with al Qaeda or the Taliban, have been killed.
RIAZ: You talk to many people here who say things will not change in this region until the United States actually packs up and leaves.
SAYAH: Analysts say for decades, violent jihad has also been part of this region's culture, viewed as an effective strategy against oppression. Ironically, it was the U.S. that paid for and support extremist militants during the 1980s Afghan jihad against the Soviet invasion.
The U.S. now rejects extremism, but many suspect Pakistan's spy agency still maintain links to Islamic militants. Pakistan denies this, but skeptics say Islamabad's deed does not match its words.
RIAZ: Where is the commitment to the oust Taliban and al Qaeda on the part of the government of Pakistan.
SAYAH (on camera): The Pakistani military establishments complete break with all militant groups, U.S. withdrawal from Afghanistan and better governance.
Getting all that done is going to be complicated and it's going to take time. But if they're not done many of you say, the death of Bin Laden won't mean much in the broader fight against extremism.
Reza Sayah, CNN, Islamabad.
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BALDWIN: Well, next story in Afghanistan, hundreds of inmates are on the loose. Many of them Taliban fighters who made that dramatic prison break.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The narrow tunnel has support beams, a tube to feed in oxygen, light fittings and the dirt was wheeled out on trolleys.
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BALDWIN: Coming up, a fascinating look on how they pulled this thing off. We're going to take you inside and how there is no way they did it on their own. That's next.
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BALDWIN: Nearly 500 Taliban prisoners jailbreak from prison through this underground tunnel. It happened last week. We told about it in Kandahar, Afghanistan, the birthplace of the Taliban. So how did they get hundreds of people out in just a matter of hours? CNN's Nick Paton Walsh actually crawled through that same tunnel.
Watch this CNN exclusive.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The concrete on the floor of the cell is two or three inches thick and it would have been literally impossible for somebody digging upwards to have broken through it. So investigators believe the people inside the cell must have finished off the tunnel.
The narrow tunnel doesn't travel straight, but has support beams, a tube to feed in oxygen, light fittings and the dirt was wheeled out on trolleys. It must have been a mammoth operation.
Inside this tunnel, you get an idea of how cramped and difficult it must have been to move through and really how long it would have taken for hundreds of people to crawl hundreds of feet out.
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BALDWIN: Some, some of those 500 prisoners have been recaptured now. Now, I want to you watch and listen to this.
That man shoots at police. This is a traffic stop. So he fires on these officers this is Wisconsin, late last month. Police there just released video are of this incident.
The man was found ultimately dead in his car. One officer was injured. State investigators say officers were justified in returning fire, adding it is clear the man in that red truck intended to shoot and kill the officers.
Now, more video for you. A gold heist caught on cam.
A thief, watch it with me. Here it goes, drives, smashes into this jewelry store, then we see him running inside, kind of walking, running, running inside, steals jewelry, but alas, his face, not at all wearing a mask.
Gets caught on surveillance camera, so, this is Virginia Beach, Virginia. Apparently, they have not caught him. Take a good long look. They are still looking for this guy.
And we are 10 minutes away from "THE SITUATION ROOM" with Wolf Blitzer. And I'm sure, Wolf, you are continuing, of course, the coverage of the death of Osama Bin Laden.
What I find fascinating today, all these details that are eking out from Pentagon correspondent Barbara Starr about what happened that evening.
About the fact that one of these Navy SEALs actually had to lay down to -- next to Bin Laden's body just as further identification because they didn't have a tape measure.
Did you hear about that?
WOLF BLITZER, HOST, "THE SITUATION ROOM": He was 6'4", yes, they want to make sure it was the right individual. They are convinced they've got a lot of evidence that it was in fact Bin Laden no doubt about that. We're going to go through some of these major points.
Mike Rogers is the chairman of the House Intelligence Committee. He is one of the few members of Congress who have actually seen the picture of the dead Bin Laden. He is going to share with us what he saw.
Plus, some other developments, I think you will be interested in that. We have also got the Pakistani ambassador to the United States Hussein Akani who's going to be joining us. As you know, this U.S. Pakistani relationship right now in deep, deep trouble, even though the stakes are so enormous.
And Rudy Giuliani, the former mayor of New York, who was invited by President Obama to spend the day at Ground Zero, at that fire house, the precinct, spent all day with the president.
He is going to be joining us in our 6 p.m. Eastern hour to discuss what went down. Rudy Giuliani here in "THE SITUATION ROOM." So we got a lot had of news. We have got some good guests. I think our viewers should stand by.
BALDWIN: Wolf Blitzer, we will. I look forward to that interview with Rudy Giuliani. Thank you so much.
Coming up here, we will get your fast forward. We'll take a look at some of the news events happening tomorrow and also justice for this young woman, Phoebe Prince, the classmates accused of bullying the Massachusetts teen until she committed suicide are punished, but did they get off easy?
That's one of the questions I'm going to ask Sunny Hostin who is back with us, back on the case. For the first time, we're actually going to hear from Phoebe's mother. It was compelling, I watched it. That is next.
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BALDWIN: Now let's take a look at tomorrow's news today. President Obama heading to Kentucky where he will address service members returning home from deployment. Among them, several combat teams from Afghanistan.
Also, we learned just this afternoon the Navy SEALs involved in that Bin Laden operation Sunday, perhaps some of the most mysterious men on the planet right now. Tomorrow, we will speak with a former member of the elite Team Six about how they train and how they live. He will join me live on this show, excited about that.
Also, Senator Dick Durbin is one of President Obama's biggest allies, but even the senator from Illinois has some doubts about what is happening in Afghanistan. He will join me live in the studio tomorrow.
And now to this, they were accused of bullying her so much and to such a degree that she finally took her own life, we all remember 15- year-old Phoebe Prince's story. Prosecutors say her classmates did things like call her names, throw empty cans at her. She walked home until finally she hanged herself in her Massachusetts home just last year.
Well, today, and yesterday, five of those classmates were in the court to face the consequences and for the very first time, we heard from Phoebe's very emotional and devastated mother.
Sunny Hostin is on the case and Sunny, before we get to the sound from the mother, tell me what has happened to those teens?
SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR: Well, they all pled guilty, five out of the six that were charged, and they pled guilty to criminal harassment. But I will say this, apparently under the plea deal, if they do what they are supposed to do some of them got 100 hours of community service, they will then -- the charges will then be dropped.
So many people are saying this punishment was not enough. I actually beg to differ because the family here has made it clear that this was about Phoebe, this was about raising the awareness of bullying as a crime.
And these kids admitted to criminal acts. And let's face it Brooke, I mean, do we know about bullying, really, before this case? This has changed the face of bullying. The reign of the mean girl is over and just for that, I think her death wasn't in vain and in this sense, these punishments were appropriate.
BALDWIN: Well, obviously we heard this morning from, as you would imagine, a devastated mother, she was in court today. Let's play just a piece of that sound.
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ANNE O'BRIEN, PHOEBE'S MOTHER: There will be no more shopping excursions were she will convince me to try on a dress she thought will suit me. I will no longer take a novel from the bookshelves that I think she would enjoy reading and give it to her because -- no more will she be able to try to derail my English class, if in which she was a student by getting her good friend -
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BALDWIN: And she read the statement, there was another girl apparently -- one of the girls being charged in that courtroom just sobbing. Here she is. I think you touched on this Sunny, but in terms of this punishment being appropriate, you say -- you say yes?
HOSTIN: Yes. I mean, these are juveniles. This was in juvenile court and oftentimes, you know, a prosecutor will meet with the family and say if this plea appropriate for you? Does this give you closure? Does this give you justice?
And in this sense this family said yes. This was about Phoebe. I want them to admit to criminal acts, which they did and I want this to change the world of bullying, and it really did.
Anti-bullying laws have been passed in Massachusetts because of Phoebe Prince. We are all talking about this because of Phoebe Prince. This has set precedent. Again, bullying will never be seen the same way again.
BALDWIN: Less than a minute. I do want to get this had in because I know a couple of minutes ago, a student, the sixth student, the charges were dropped. What do you know about that?
HOSTIN: That's right. He was charged -- he was 19 years old, charged with statutory rape and that charge was dropped. He was never charged in conjunction with bullying.
And so again, they are saying, the prosecutor is saying we are dropping these charges. This is closing this case for this family and the family is pleased with what we've done here and they are moving forward.
BALDWIN: Phoebe Prince, we all remember the story very well.
Sunny Hostin, thank you so much.
Thank you for watching. That is it for me. I'm Brooke Baldwin.
Now to Wolf Blitzer in Washington with "THE SITUATION ROOM" -- Wolf.
