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Protesting Greek Austerity Plan; Casey Anthony's Parents Grilled by Defense; The End of Privacy
Aired June 29, 2011 - 13:59 ET
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RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR: It is 9:00 p.m. in Greece where lawmakers today bought the debt-ridden nation just a little more time and a lot more trouble. Riot police and thick clouds of teargas kept protesters away from the parliament building in Athens where a "do or die" package of spending cuts, tax hikes and sell-offs of government assets narrowly passed.
Had it not, the 16 other Euro states would likely stop bailing Greece out and the country likely would default on loan payments due in mere weeks and that could send shock waves all over this map and beyond.
Take a look here. All these countries share the euro, which means all pay the price when one, even a small one like Greece, gets itself into trouble.
Today's vote clears the way for $17 billion in emergency loans from the E.U. and the IMF. The final installment of the $156 billion package approved last year.
Athens hopes for a second bailout in the new austerity measures make that much more likely.
CNN's Becky Anderson is in the thick of things.
And, Becky, we heard last hour from Richard Quest that police have run the protesters out. Are you seeing the same thing there? What's happening in the square below you now?
BECKY ANDERSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. As Richard said last hour, it's really ebbing and flowing.
You see the protesters being sort of corralled either into the square or down the side street. And things become much calmer. And then, all of the sudden, 20, 25 minutes later, things get very hectic.
Again, it's been a day of real drama here at Constitution Square in Athens as the parliamentarians in the Greek government building to my right have been voting on what are the most austere measures ever attempted by a European country since the Second World War. You see these pitch battles being run between protesters and police.
Richard may have said last hour, and it has to be said again, there are some 200, 300, maybe, what would be described as anarchists who are really creating most of the trouble for the police. And when you talk to other protesters -- and there are thousands of them here in and around the square -- they'll say that they don't want to see those anarchists here, that they are really protesting about what happens next for Greece.
They are so angry about the fact that Greece has broken the rules, that so much has been hidden by the government in the past, and that now they face such an austere four years going forward, it is no joke, Randi, to say that what the Greek parliamentarians were voting on today is not just the future of Greece and Greece within the euro, it really is the future of the single European currency, of what is a nascent European economic recovery at the moment. And also, the entire economic project which has been in play now for about 20 years here in Europe.
So a really big day of drama. Things fairly quiet behind me as we speak. You can smell the tear gas in the air. We've had pepper spray out there.
I have been down there already. It was almost impossible to do any work today. It's quite a frightening and very volatile situation still.
KAYE: Becky, I'm curious, is this a fair fight? I mean in terms of the number of protesters versus the number of police that are trying to control the situation?
I mean, how many on each side are we talking about here? Because we have been watching the crowd there. It seems to be growing. We're watching the fires there in the streets and some of the video we have coming in.
ANDERSON: Yes. I mean, when you can say it's a fair fight?
I mean, as I say, there are maybe 200, 300 guys, mainly men in sort of black shirts with balaclavas (ph) on many of them. You described them as anarchists.
There may be around the square, I would say about 1,000, 1,500 police. But there are thousands and thousands of other demonstrators.
At one stage, they got very mixed up. The police are trying to really keep the regular protesters at bay and away from what is a very violent and volatile situation in the middle of the square.
Is it fair? What's fair in love and war, I guess is the answer to that. There are probably more police out here than there are protesters, but the protesters have got a lot of arms.
They've got a lot of rocks. They've got weapons. They've got chairs and plastic tables, restaurants around.
I've got to say, Randi, if you go half a mile down the road from this Constitution Square, you will find people still having coffee outside. Not all of Athens is up in arms today. It is very much just this area. But here, it is extremely violent. KAYE: And when you look at these pictures, and the video and the violence there that you're showing us, you have to wonder about this follow-up vote that's due out tomorrow, right, and how that might be received?
ANDERSON: Yes. Let's think about this.
Already, 10 percent of civil servants or the public sector have been cut here. We are looking at 20 percent cuts in jobs in the public sector alone.
The vote that happens tomorrow is about passing the bills that will allow this austerity program to actually be put in place. They've only voted on a plan today. And the reason for that is that they face a cash crunch at the moment.
By the middle of July, Greece will have run out of money. It won't be able to pay its debt. And everybody down here knows that.
So the point is this -- they need to implement these $40 billion worth of savage cuts in order to get the money from the EU and the IMF to even get themselves started once again. And these protesters here know that.
They know that whatever happens today is going to get worse tomorrow for them and worse the next day, and for their kids. If you're a mom and dad at the moment, your kids are going to really suffer in the years to come.
It's not just happening here, of course, in Greece. Things are tough across Europe. But it's much, much worse here. And everybody on this square knows it.
KAYE: Becky Anderson, live for us in Athens, Greece.
Becky, thank you.
Our "Sound Effect" today is from the epicenter of the economic issues at home. As you may have seen live right here on CNN, President Obama held a full-on news conference at the White House earlier today, and debt ceiling talks with Republicans were on his mind.
Republicans don't want tax increases to go along with spending cuts that seem to be a condition for raising the nation's borrowing limit. But the president says that's not a sustainable argument. He also says that reaching a balanced solution takes priority over summer vacation.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If by the end of this week we have not seen substantial progress, then I think members of Congress need to understand, we are going to start having to cancel things and stay here until we get it done. You know, they're in one week, they're out one week. And then they are saying, Obama's got to step in.
You need to be here. I've been here. I've been doing Afghanistan and Bin Laden and the Greek crisis.
You stay here. Let's get it done.
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KAYE: Mr. Obama says nobody wants to see the United States default, and so he's confident the two sides can bridge their differences.
The Los Alamos National Laboratory will not be directly affected by the wildfires raging nearby in New Mexico. This, according to the Los Alamos fire chief, Doug Tucker. Initially, there was concern that the wildfire could pose a risk to waste and other toxic materials that are stored at the nuclear lab. Chief Tucker tells CNN that the waste stored in drums is kept on blacktop with no vegetation around, and if the fire did get close, firefighters would use foam to ensure nothing would get into the environment.
We'll have a live report from the area coming up for you in just a couple of minutes.
In Massachusetts, nine people, ages 12 to 19 are facing hate crime charges in the beating of an openly gay man. According to police, the 30-year-old man was walking down a street in Springfield at 3:00 a.m. Tuesday when he was attacked. The victim was said to have been knocked to the ground and punched in the face with closed fists.
Sergeant John Delaney (ph) of the Springfield Police Department went on to say that there were females nearby encouraging the males involved to beat the victim up. Police say the victim's MP-3 player was stolen and was later found on one of the suspects.
The push to overturn American student Amanda Knox's murder conviction may have gotten a boost from forensic specialists. According to Italian media reports, experts told the court of Perugia, Italy, that DNA evidence which linked Knox to the murder weapon was unsound.
Knox was convicted, along with her ex-boyfriend, of killing her then roommate Meredith Kercher. The defense team argues the DNA evidence was contaminated during a police investigation in 2009.
We spoke with Amanda's father. He told CNN it's good news, but not unexpected, saying, "We now have a confirmation of what the DNA defense expert said all along."
An emergency hearing is set for a few hours from now in San Diego to determine if prison officials can forcibly administer anti- psychotic medications to Jared Lee Loughner. A court filing last Friday from Loughner's defense argued that the federal prison where he's being housed violated his rights by deciding to treat him with drugs against his will. The government has argued that it was necessary because Loughner is "dangerous to others." Loughner is accused of shooting 19 people, including Congresswoman Gabrielle Giffords, at a Tucson-area supermarket back in January.
Casey Anthony's dad breaks down. What brought him to tears and what he says about his suicide attempt and Casey's alleged sexual abuse, the latest from the Casey Anthony, trial coming up.
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KAYE: Casey Anthony's father George delivered what could be the most damning and emotional testimony in his daughter's trial today. The memory of little Caylee, bringing him to a near breaking point on the stand.
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GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY'S FATHER: No, sir. I need to get through this. I need to have something inside of me get through this.
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KAYE: Casey's dad and mom were brought back to answer some blunt questions by the defense about George Anthony's suicide attempt, Casey's alleged sexual abuse, the rotting smell from Casey's car.
Right here, this is a live look inside the courtroom in Orlando at this hour.
I want to bring in Holly Hughes right now. She's a criminal defense attorney and former prosecutor who has been following this trial very closely, along with us.
I want to ask you -- you saw George Anthony right there breaking down. I mean, clearly so emotional. He was talking about the moment that he learned about the fact that they had found his granddaughter Caylee's remains.
If the jury wasn't sure how they felt about George Anthony by now, do you think this convinced them? I mean, how credible do you think he comes across?
HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Yes. This is it. I mean, this is the homerun, because this is the real, true emotion that we expect to see from someone when you lose a loved one.
And Randi, what's really interesting to me, when he was talking to Jose Baez, just, like, two minutes ago, there's a redirect examination going on, and Jose Baez is trying to say, oh, but you stopped cooperating with law enforcement once the body was found. And George Anthony said to him, sir, that was the most traumatic time in our lives. When we found out the baby was dead, it was traumatic for myself, my wife and my son.
He did not say "and my daughter." He left her out of it. When he talks about being broken and emotional and devastated that this baby's remains were found in trash bags in the woods, he doesn't say Casey.
KAYE: He doesn't include her. Interesting.
I want to talk about this alleged sexual abuse, which is something that the defense has brought up many times. They questioned both George and Cindy Anthony about this.
Cindy was questioned actually about Casey's brother Lee groping Casey. She was actually not allowed to answer that question. But here's what George said when he was asked about molesting his daughter --
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JOSE BAEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: You, of course, would never admit to molesting your child, would you, sir?
JEFF ASHTON, PROSECUTOR: Objection. Argumentative.
JUDGE BELVIN PERRY, ORANGE COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT: Overruled.
You can answer the question if you can.
ANTHONY: Sir, I would never do anything like that to my daughter.
BAEZ: My question is you would never admit to it, would you, sir?
ANTHONY: Sir, I would never do anything to harm my daughter in that way.
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KAYE: I mean, the point of bringing this up, we should point out just for viewers in case they haven't been following this as closely as we have been, is that they want to show that maybe she was pretty messed up after something like this and she is pretty well trained to lie, which is why she may have lied as a result of her daughter going missing and not helping and being honest with police.
But is the defense, do you think, proving their case here? Are they getting anywhere on this?
HUGHES: No, I don't think so. I think they are butting their heads against a brick wall, because George Anthony has been so real and so true and vulnerable on the stand today that, when he testifies and he says, I didn't do it, I wouldn't hurt her, here is the man, I mean, he originally hired to help save his daughter's life and represent his daughter. And this man is now attacking him.
And he's shown great restraint in not really losing it on him, but I think that he's credible. I think he's sincere when he says, I didn't do this. I don't think they have got evidence of it yet, Randi, and I don't think that they can argue it in closing argument unless and until their client takes the stand and says it happened, because nobody else can.
KAYE: This was a really powerful day for George Anthony. He also spoke honestly from the stand about thinking about committing suicide. He left a note saying he wanted to be with Caylee.
Why would the defense put this out there? Because isn't this just going to create more sympathy for a man who lost his granddaughter?
HUGHES: What they are trying to infer -- and this is something a lot of folks don't realize. You don't have to have somebody give you the exact words on the stand as an attorney to be able to argue it in your closing argument. You are allowed to argue reasonable inferences from the evidence.
What they want to argue to the jury -- "they" being the defense team -- they want the jury to infer that the reason George Anthony attempted suicide is because he felt so guilty about hiding Caylee's body, putting his daughter through this, molesting Casey. They want to argue that's why he was guilty, that's why he's trying to kill himself.
But prosecution is not going to let that happen. They're going to bring the note back up in rebuttal, they're going to introduce it, and they're going to read every word of it for that jury. That jury is going to hear the truth. And it's not that he felt guilty about molesting his daughter.
KAYE: All right. Holly Hughes, great to have you here on set with us breaking it down.
HUGHES: Thank you.
KAYE: Thank you.
Two simple pieces of data, your name and your e-mail address, can unlock a shocking number of details about you. Up next, our Poppy Harlow shows you just how much of your private information is on the Web readily available for anyone who wants to see it.
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KAYE: Take a look at the Dow here with us. It's actually up today about 59 points or so right there, positive territory. Nice to see.
All this week we are taking a look at an important issue, online security. In a special segment for CNN Money, reputation defender CEO Michael Fertik paired with CNN's Poppy Harlow to explore just how much of her personal information can be found online.
And let me tell you, she was shocked.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Every day, millions of Americans are getting their backgrounds checked and their private information collected. If you're online, and especially if you're on social networking sites, your privacy is at risk.
Yes, I'm a public person. I report on television and I report online. But personally, I'm a very private person.
So I did something I've never done before. I put myself right in this story to try to find out just how much information is out there about me.
HARLOW (voice-over): We gave Michael Fertik, the founder of ReputationDefender, my name and e-mail address. His company dug around to see what they could find.
MICHAEL FERTIK, CEO, REPUTATIONDEFENDER: You're a very private person. And the average person, the average viewer (ph) is going to be much less private than you especially in social media. They don't know that they have been opted in by the machine. Even someone as private as you are, has been opted into in such a way that a system can find out very deeply personal and private information about you, some of which you're not even willing to share on the air.
HARLOW: He's exactly right. They pulled information about my family's health history, that my father passed away at 49 from cancer and other issues just too personal to share, and --
FERTIK: Your religion, we believe and seem to be right that you're Episcopalian --
HARLOW (on camera): That's right.
FERTIK: -- which is not something you advertise.
HARLOW (voice-over): They also got my parent's names, college education, and whether I'm married or not. But on other facts, they were wrong, like my salary, current address and phone number.
And here's what really shocked me. ReputationDefender came back with words on the Internet that are associated with me. They say it's just because these are things I've reported on as a journalist. But the bottom line, whether the information out there is correct or incorrect, it's being used to make decisions about you.
FERTIK: Whether they want to hire you, fire you, date you, market to you, sells you, insure you or not. The important lesson to take away is that it would be very easy for a machine to make a mistake about who Poppy Harlow is.
HARLOW: We should know, ReputationDefender did this report for us as just an experiment. The company actually operates solely to protect people's information on the Web.
FERTIK: Anything you share in any kind of social media, can and will find its way to a database and ultimately into a score that is going to be the basis of major life decisions about you.
HARLOW (on camera): It's going to define you?
FERTIK: It's going to define you forever.
HARLOW (voice-over): In the end, this turned out to be much more personal than I expected. In some ways, it was invasive. But what it showed me is just how much personal information is out there -- true and untrue. And many of us have no idea.
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KAYE: And Poppy Harlow joins me now from New York.
Poppy, boy, that would make anyone a little concerned about what's out there online about them.
HARLOW: Right.
KAYE: So I'm sure you have done the research now. Tell us what people can do to protect themselves and their identity online. I'm sure you have done it already.
HARLOW: Yes. I mean, it was terrifying, because I think of myself as so private. I'm so careful.
I only have a work Facebook page, a work Twitter account, nothing personal. And they found all this stuff. And as I said in the piece, Randi, some of it that we couldn't even share because it was just too private.
You can do a few things, but I think the bottom line is, you're going to have to have an online life. That's part of the new reality.
You want to use social media. It's good for business in many ways. But you have to be careful.
The company is now called reputation.com. You can go to reputation.com/free. That's going to show you a lot of what is online about you.
What they have also come up with that I think is pretty interesting is something called You Protect It. It's YouProtect.it. And that basically encrypts all your posts and your photos on Facebook. That's one thing.
But he also told me, the man that heads this company, you have to be careful what apps you use, because a lot of the apps out there, Randi, are mining data that have nothing to do with the application. And then they are selling that data or using it for other things. So, be very, very careful what apps you use.
I think bottom line, if you don't want it published on the front page of a newspaper or a Web site, just don't say it -- Randi.
KAYE: Yes. Don't put it out there. That's all you need to say. All right, Poppy. Thank you.
HARLOW: You got it.
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KAYE: Wildfires still raging in Los Alamos. How close are the flames to those stored radioactive waste? We will take you there live, next.
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KAYE: In New Mexico, the Los Alamos National Laboratory holds thousands of barrels of radioactive material, and the area has been evacuated due to a massive wildfire. The lab itself has been shut down, but what threat, if any, remains?
CNN's Reynolds Wolf joins me now on the telephone.
Reynolds, where do things stand now with the radioactive material stored at the lab? A lot of people asking about that.
REYNOLDS WOLF, CNN METEOROLOGIST: Absolutely. And understandably, that's going to raise a lot of concerns. And we're talking 20,000 to 30,000 barrels of radioactive material, radioactive waste.
The fires came within allegedly about five miles of that site. However, lab director Charles McMillan has been telling us that the materials are indeed secure.
And one of the reasons why he says they are secure is because they are on a kind of a -- almost like a raised -- sort of -- almost like a parking lot, a platform, if you will, away from all the vegetation. So, should the fire spread, there really isn't anything to bring the fire to the location of the radioactive waste. That's the good news.
Another thing is they've got crews on standby that are watching the material, keeping a close eye on it. They also have fire retardant. So, should flames get anywhere close by, they would be put out very quickly. So they feel very confident that they're going to avoid any potential problems with that radioactive waste.
KAYE: And what are the firefighters most concerned about at this point?
WOLF: Well, at this point they really have three major concerns. One is the topography.
This community is a beautiful one. It's up on three-and-a-half big mesas, and in between each one of these mesas or plateaus you have got these ravines. The ravines, again, the topography is such that battling the blaze on these cliff sides just is really an impossible endeavor. But inside these ravines themselves is another concern, and that is the vegetation. What's interesting, Randi, is about a decade ago, they had a tremendous fire in the region, but it bypassed many of these ravines. These ravines, now full with just incredible vegetation, which would be perfect fuel. So, any sparks, any flames get into those ravines, the big fear is that they would get that vegetation and then threaten the town.
The third thing they're most concerned with, the weather forecast. Humidity has been incredibly low. At the same time, winds have been really ramping up into the afternoons. And the winds, of course, can be kind of a conveyer belt, if you will, pushing those flames, pushing those sparks, moving those embers, and of course moving the fire itself.
And unfortunately, no sign of rain until possibly the middle of next week.
KAYE: All right. Reynolds Wolf there watching it for us.
Reynolds, thank you.
Kate Middletown is on the cover of "Newsweek" with -- who? We will tell you about the controversial photograph that has some critics up in arms right after this.
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KAYE: It's half past the hour. Here's a look at the headlines and stories you may have missed.
Judges for the 6th Circuit Court of Appeals have ruled that the mandate that all individuals have health care under the new health reform law is, quote, "a valid exercise of Congress's authority under the Commerce Clause." This is the first time a federal appeals court has ruled on the constitutionality of President Obama's health reform law. The decision came as a result of a lawsuit filed against the act by the Thomas Moore Law Center.
Want to show you some live pictures now here from Athens, Greece. Protesters not happy with Greek lawmakers' decision to approve a package of austerity measures today. And as you can see here, well, they are certainly not afraid to show the disapproval. Riot police have been using teargas to keep the stone throwing crowds away from parliament and have sent dozens to the hospital. Today's vote clears the way for more bailouts, which will allow Greece to avoid defaulting on debt repayments. But unions are angry about tax hikes and job cuts.
President Obama held a news conference at the White House earlier today, using much of the time to address the economy and deficit. He stressed the importance of creating jobs and used the U.S. trade deal with Korea as an example of one potential solution. He also said any agreement on raising the debt ceiling will include, quote, "tough decisions and balanced solutions," but said it must be done. He even went so far as to say lawmakers should cancel their vacations if they can't reach a deal. The emotional roller coaster that is the Casey Anthony trial continues today. Things go really heated this morning when defense attorney Jose Baez questioned George Anthony about comments he made to law enforcement. As you can see here, Casey' Anthony father reacted angrily, accusing the defense of spinning his at the same times.
The defense also questioned George Anthony about his 2009 suicide attempt, suggesting he left a note that expressed some guilt.
Have you seen this? Take a good look here. "Newsweek" magazine dedicating to dedicate their July 1 cover to the late Princess Diana's 50th birthday. Did they go too far? The magazine is drawing criticism for its front cover that features a computer-generated photograph of the late princess walking next to Kate Middleton, the current Duchess of Cambridge. "Newsweek" mocked up the photo in an effort to show what Princess Diana would have looked like today. But some critics call it disrespectful.
And just ahead on "Globe Trekking," what is life like for U.S. troops at one Afghanistan outpost? Just watch this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fire!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on. Hustle up.
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KAYE: We'll show you what they go through as the Taliban -- fighting season heats up.
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KAYE: On today's "Globe Trekking" let's start in of Afghanistan. Taliban militants killed at least nine people in the attack on the Intercontinental Hotel in Kabul overnight. All nine militants were killed as well. Two police officers are among the dead.
A Spanish news agency is also reporting that a 48-year-old Spanish pilot died in the attack. As many as three of the attackers were shot before they were able to detonate their explosives.
Elsewhere in Afghanistan, the fighting season with the Taliban has been heating up. CNN's Nick Paton Walsh is embedded with U.S. troops there and he reports on life at a military outpost that's actually in Taliban territory.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Everywhere you look here in Kuna (ph) on Afghanistan's eastern border, the choices aren't good. Outpost Pertel King (ph) is caught between hills full of Taliban. If the Americans leave, militants from Pakistan will flow through the valley. And if they stay, then every few days this happens. (SOUNDS OF GUNFIRE)
WALSH: The mortars hit the base.
The last attack was long enough ago there is panic. They are worried the Taliban have been preparing a big one.
(on camera): After days of nothing, the insurgents have finally amassed around the compound and they are being attacked from all sides.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on, hustle up. Grab it, get ready.
WALSH (voice-over): They use mortars first, aiming for Taliban dark (ph) into the hills. But the incoming fire is very accurate here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fire!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go, go, go!
WALSH: They arrange cover from heavy machine guns.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Grab the round and shoot if they go (INAUDIBLE). Oh!
WALSH: But the bullets are too close.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Never mind!
WALSH: Locals scatter. Just before huge American firepower has the last word.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh!
(SOUNDS OF EXPLOSION)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoo hoo!
WALSH: Four massive air strikes across the hills and then the Taliban fall silent.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Say hi to Osama for me.
WALSH: Americans knew why it came here, but isn't sure why it's staying.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can we get, like, a police call for like brass and cigarette butts --
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Cigarette butts first WALSH: Ten minutes later, jets swoop in to strafe the hills.
(SOUNDS OF EXPLOSION)
WALSH: A show of force, but the Taliban are now either gone or dead. At least five killed by a soldier's count.
The next morning, it starts again. Mortars and rocket-filled grenades pound the base.
(on camera): For the second time in just 15 hours (INAUDIBLE) under attack. Much heavier this time. And it appears they have taken casualties.
(voice-over): More air strikes. This valley is vital strategically but doesn't want to be conquered. The medics fly in to collect one soldier. His injuries are not life-threatening.
There is no real victory to be had here though. Just the question of how long they will stay growing louder.
Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Kuna, Afghanistan.
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KAYE: In Egypt, there was a little deja vu as anti-government protests raged into Tahrir square. The protests began late Tuesday as a memorial for those killed in Egypt's revolution earlier this year, but it quickly turned into an angry protest against the interim military government. Troops then poured into the streets, taking over from police in the square. Hundreds of people were treated at the scene and dozens were taken to the hospital. Many Egyptians are angry about the slow pace of change since president Hosni Mubarak resigned in February.
And finally in Paris, a few unusual tourists have arrived. Take a look here! These dinosaurs are in town and will be on display for most of the summer before being auctioned off at Sotheby's. The fossils themselves are rare enough and even include a dinosaur mummy.
But the chance to buy something like this - oh yeah -- is even more rare. Maybe that is why the price is so high. The most expensive of these fossils could go for as much as $2 million. Yes, imagine putting that on display in your living room at home.
Having an affair isn't the only kind of cheating that can ruin a marriage. Up next, how to catch your spouse lying about money. You'll be shocked to hear how many are doing just that.
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KAYE: Having an affair isn't the only kind of cheating that can ruin a marriage. Whether it's hiding the extra money you earn, keeping a secret bank account or hiding purchases from your spouse, what has been called financial infidelity can take a harsh toll on a marriage. In fact, according to a National Endowment for Financial Education survey, 16 percent of respondents said their financial infidelity eventually resulted in divorce.
Had me thinking, just don't tell my husband that these are new earrings. OK, I hope he's not watching today.
Meanwhile, for much more on this, CNNmoney's Jessica Dickler joins me now from New York. Jessica, all right, I'm guilty. I admit it, I keep a lot of my purchases in the trunk of the car, wait for my husband to go out, then I bring them quietly inside.
I'm curious, though, how many people like me are, I guess, financially cheating on their spouses?
JESSICA DICKLER, CNNMONEY.COM: Well, according to the research from the National Endowment of Financial Education, 31 percent of people share finances with a partner say they have been deceptive about money. Most hide cash or little purchases, but some admit to flat-out lying about debt or income.
I also went out and asked some people on the street about his. And nearly everyone had a story about spending money on the sly. So, I think it's even more common than data shows. One woman I talked to admitted she had bought a pony for her daughter and didn't even tell her husband about it.
KAYE: A pony? How do you hide that? How do you hide a pony?
DICKLER: I know. She had a separate account and she put it on her credit card and she never told her husband. But she wanted to stay anonymous. Some of the men were a little more forthcoming.
KAYE: So, what are some of the biggest lies? Is that the key one?
DICKLER: Yes. I mean, people lie about little purchases, hiding - they stash money on the sly. Some people even lie about having debt or opening up a new line of credit, that kind of thing.
KAYE: So these are things certainly to look out for. Or even if you are doing some gardening and you find receipts buried maybe in the backyard, that's not a good sign, right? Probably means financial infidelity at your house?
DICKLER: Yes. And one of the most common things people say is, oh, I have had this for ages when they have on a new shirt or blouse on. I talked to one woman would stash her purchases for a while so when she wore something new she could be like, oh, yes, this isn't new. And it wasn't technically a lie.
KAYE: Yes. Well, they never know, right? They ask, but you just say, yes, I have had it forever!
No. I have never done that. Have you ever done this? Have you ever done anything like this? Do you find more women than men are doing it?
DICKLER: It seems like more women than men do this. And I have to admit I have rounded down.
KAYE: Meaning?
DICKLER: Something costs $130 and you say it cost $100.
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DICKLER: Or got it on sale?
KAYE: Yes. That's a sale. Tell me, what people can do to get on the same page? I mean, what can couples do financially speaking to get on the same page?
DICKLER: Well, most experts suggest having an open and honest conversation for starters. You know, talking about your financial goals, where you want to go on vacation, plans for retirement or starting a family or retirement. That helps people get on the same page in terms of where they are in spending and saving.
Also, throughout the relationship, getting regular credit cards can also help couples see where they are in terms of how much money they have on hand and how much debt they have.
KAYE: All right. That's very good advice. We appreciate it. Thank you, and we'll check out your article as well at CNN.com. Thank you.
While Democrats, Republicans and the president are fighting over raising the debt ceiling, some are asking is it unconstitutional? We'll ask our Stream Team that question, next.
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KAYE: President Obama called on lawmakers today to do their job in order to strike a deal on raising the federal government's current debt ceiling by the start of August.
However, Democratic senators are growing increasingly pessimistic about the prospects for a deal and are revisiting a solution to the crisis that rests on this simple proposition: the debt ceiling itself is unconstitutional. If this is, indeed, true, Congress would not have the power to cause a default on the national debt or even put a cap on expenditures that they authorize.
So, the question for the Stream team today: is defaulting on the national debt unconstitutional? On the team with us today, Mark Skoda is the founder of the Memphis Tea Party. Jonathan Turley is a professor at George Washington University. And Garrett Epps is a former reporter with "The Washington Post."
Garrett, I want start with you. What's your take on this? Is the debt limit unconstitutional?
GARRETT EPPS, FORMER REPORTER, "THE WASHINGTON POST": Well, in constitutional law, they are rarely yes or no answers. But I will say that Section 4 of the 14th Amendment clearly commands that the validity of the public debt of the United States shall not be questioned.
And the Supreme Court in the only case where it looked at this interpreted that to mean that Congress really doesn't have the power to change repayment or change the way in which repayment of the debt takes place. The debt is a sacred pledge of the entire country and Congress doesn't have control over it.
KAYE: Jonathan -
EPPS: So -
KAYE: I'm sorry, you can finish there.
EPPS: No, go ahead, go ahead.
KAYE: I was just going to ask Jonathan, does the Constitution forbid default?
JONATHAN TURLEY, PROFESSOR, GEORGE WASHINGTON UNIVERSITY (on the phone): Well, it's very hard to say. This has not been something that's been litigated in the past. And the language of the 14th Amendment is extremely general. It refers to the validity of public debt not being, quote, "questioned."
And what I think the Republican members can argue is that they are not questioning the debt or its validity. This is a disagreement of how and when the debt will be paid, to priority given to the debt. I think a court will find that argument more compelling. But just looking at other cases they have handled.
But I have to say that the language is absolute. And on its face, it certainly suggests that these debts must be paid. It's just that I think a court would have something of sticker shock in adopting this argument. It would mean that if it's unconstitutional, Congress could effectively be carved out of very important debt decisions in the future.
KAYE: And what about -- I'm just curious, Mark. The Republican strategy behind even hinting at letting the debt default. What do you make of it?
MARK SKODA, FOUNDER, MEMPHIS TEA PARTY: First of all, they are not suggesting default. As long as you pay your interest and as you know, we have $300 billion of current requirements of interest payment. And that can be paid out of current receipts that are about $2.8 trillion a year. So, it's not a question of default. It's a question of the debt ceiling.
And by the way, both Garrett and Jonathan have suggested the 14th Amendment, Article 4. But there is a key clause that even Democrat senators have now talking about, which is authorized by law. The Congress in Article One, by the way, also have the authorization to essentially establish what moneys can be dispersed from the Treasury.
And this context, while this has not been litigated, certainly, I believe the argument is a stretch. The Republicans, indeed, are suggesting that the debt ceiling not be raised, which has been authorized by law, a debt ceiling agreed by both houses and subsequently signed into law. Therefore, they are saying, look, we'll pay our bills just as you have a credit card thing, you pay your bill, you're not in default though you reach your credit limit.
I think this is, frankly, a stretch in the argument.
KAYE: I'm curious. Garrett, don't you believe that the president, if this was going to be unconstitutional, wouldn't he have known that?
EPPS: I don't know what the president knows and what he doesn't know. He's keeping his cards very close to the vest. I will say in response to something Mark said, the validity of the public debt authorized by law doesn't really have any -- do any work in this situation because the debts of the United States that we are talking about are authorized by law. They have already been authorized by acts of Congress. So, there is no sort way to loop that language and make it mean something it doesn't mean.
I would also say that the argument about the debt ceiling is that once Congress appropriates money, one Congress appropriates debt -- approves debt instruments or appropriates money, its function under the Constitution is done. And that it can't -- this is the argument -- it then can't pass a second statute saying, oh, but don't really pay that. We weren't serious.
And so that is the argument for suggesting the debt limit which, as you know, is not in the Constitution. It is simply a statute. That's the argument for suggesting that it is unconstitutional.
KAYE: All right.
EPPS: And to John, I do think it's worth thinking about whether this case would ever get to court. And I think that's a question we might contemplate. I'm not sure how it would.
KAYE: All right. All of you, thank you very much. It's certainly an interesting discussion. We appreciate it. Mark Skoda, Jonathan Turley, Garrett Epps. Appreciate your time.
It's time now for a CNN Political Update. CNN political correspondent Jim Acosta joins me from the political desk in Washington. Jim, I know you're looking at the ticker. What's on the ticker right now?
JIM ACOSTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, you know, there is a lot of talk about the president and his news conference earlier this morning. You were just talking about it there with your panel on the debt ceiling and these debt talk. It sounds like, if you listen to what the president is saying, at least in political terms, he's not running against the Republican field right now. He's running against Congress, basically saying they are going to have to abide by his demand that taxes be raised in some way on the wealthy in order for there to be some kind of agreement reached on these debt talks. He compared Congress to his daughters, saying they can finish their homework on time. And he asked, why can't the Congress? And here's what he had to say.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: If you are a wealthy CEO or a hedge fund manager in America right now, your taxes are lower than they have ever been. They're lower than they have been since the 1950s. And you can afford it. You'll still be able to ride on your corporate jet. You're just going to have to pay a little more.
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ACOSTA: And the president did get some other good political news for the White House today. In the court battle over his health care law, there is an appellate court ruling that just came down in Cincinnati this afternoon essentially saying, Randi, that the health care mandate, the individual mandate in the health care law that requires all Americans to obtain health insurance is constitutional.
Now, there have been a variety of rulings in a variety of different federal courts on this. And there will be others along the way as this battle heads toward the Supreme Court. And this has obviously been a big issue on the campaign trail. All of the Republicans running right now say they would repeal the health care law if they're elected president.
So just one of many shots that are going to be fired in the health care battle as it winds its way toward the Supreme Court, Randi.
KAYE: All right, Jim Acosta for us. Thank you, Jim.
And we'll be right back.
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KAYE: We want to take you live now. You're looking at Constitution Square in Athens, Greece. You can see there plenty of smoke; the protesters are gathering once again. We have been talking to our Richard Quest and Becky Anderson, both with CNN who are there in Athens watching this for us.
You can see that they've gathered once again. There are about several hundred or so from what we are getting from our people on the ground. Several hundred protesters clashing with police over these austerity measures and the package that's just passed today. People are very concerned about what this will mean for them. And there will be a second vote tomorrow on this. So, these violent protests, as you can see there, with all that smoke. The violence does continue on the streets of Greece.
Emotions are certainly running high. At an important FDA hearing today, a vote came down on the continued use of Avastin to fight breast cancer. Senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen is joining us now.
This certainly has been so controversial. Now we know the fate of this drug. What have you been able to find out?
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, it seems is that -- first of all, excuse me my voice. I'm recovering from laryngitis. But it seems like the committee is saying they don't think that Avastin is safe and effective for women with advanced breast cancer.
And the reason why this is important is that, if the full -- if the FDA commissioner agrees and says this doesn't work and isn't safe for women with advanced breast cancer, insurance may not pay for it. And, Randi, this drug costs about $90,000. So, clearly, very -- hardly can afford to pay for it on their own.
KAYE: And -- but there are those -- just very quickly -- some breast cancer survivors are aren't -- aren't very sad to hear this news.
COHEN: Right. Some breast cancer survivors say, look, this drug doesn't work, and it was put out as false hope, and so it's not a bad thing that it's been -- that insurance might not pay for it.
KAYE: Right.
COHEN: But there are a lot of women who are going to be very upset about this.
KAYE: All right, Elizabeth Cohen, appreciate the quick update. Thank you.
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KAYE: That will do it for me.
Fredricka Whitfield takes over here now on CNN NEWSROOM.
Hi, Fred.
