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Live Coverage of Casey Anthony Murder Trial; Bulger to Stand Trial; FDA Panel Votes No on Avastin
Aired June 30, 2011 - 11:00 ET
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Live from Studio 7, I'm Suzanne Malveaux. Want to get you up to speed for Thursday, June 30th.
Casey Anthony's defense team could wrap up today, potentially putting this explosive case in the jury's hands this weekend or early next week.
Now, the young Florida woman is charged with killing her 2-year-old daughter Caylee. Today, a woman the defense claims carried on an affair with Casey Anthony's father testified. George Anthony has repeatedly denied the woman was his mistress.
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KRYSTAL HOLLOWAY, ALLEGED MISTRESS OF GEORGE ANTHONY: I didn't think that he could raise somebody that was capable of harming her child, and that's when he said it was an accident that snowballed out of control.
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MALVEAUX: Security scare for French President Nicolas Sarkozy. In a flash, a man grabs Sarkozy, almost yanks him to the ground. It happened while Sarkozy was shaking hands in southern France today. Guards quickly tackled that man.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The United States honors Robert M. Gates for his extraordinary leadership and for a lifetime of service and devotion to our nation.
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MALVEAUX: This was a big surprise for Defense Secretary Robert Gates today, his last day on the job. President Obama awarded him the Medal of Freedom at a Pentagon farewell ceremony. Now, this is the highest award that the president can give a civilian.
Hundreds of thousands of teachers, air traffic controllers and other public workers are on strike in Great Britain today. Schools are shut. Airline flights, delayed.
The workers are furious over changes to their pension plan. They say they're going to work longer but get less at retirement. Greece's parliament today approved ways to implement a package of steep tax increases and deep spending cuts. European countries demanded the measures before they'd give Greece a second bailout. Athens streets have been relatively quiet today, unlike the past two days.
Two journalists and their interpreter arrived to applause, as you can see, in Paris today. The Taliban held the group hostage in Afghanistan for 18 months. France is not saying how the government got them out, except to say that they did not pay a ransom.
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STEPHANE TAPONIER, HELD HOSTAGE IN AFGHANISTAN (through translator): I'm very well. I'm good in mind and body. We had no idea how long we were going to be kept in captivity, but we could have kept going.
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MALVEAUX: Rhode Island's governor is set to sign a bill legalizing civil unions. If he does it today, the law takes effect tomorrow. Now, it grants many of the rights and benefits of marriage to same-sex couples, but organizations with religious ties can ignore parts of the law.
Tropical Storm Arlene pushed into central Mexico today, with top winds howling at 65 miles an hour. Arlene will bring as much as 12 inches of rain to Mexico's mountains, possibly triggering flashfloods and mudslides.
Want to circle back to our lead story. Final witnesses now being called in Casey Anthony's murder trial. Now, the defense says it plans to rest its case today.
Our Carol Costello, outside the courthouse in Orlando.
Carol, I know you usually do "Talk Back," but you've got double duty now. We are now hearing that this woman -- from a woman who allegedly had an affair with Casey Anthony's father took the stand.
What happened today, Carol?
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: She did take the stand, Suzanne. In fact, she was dismissed just a short time, after about an hour of sometimes testy testimony.
This woman, Krystal Holloway, claims she had an extramarital affair with George Anthony. And one night in her home while she was sitting on the floor and George Anthony was sitting on the couch, George Anthony allegedly said to her about what happened to Caylee Anthony, that it was an accident that spiraled out of control.
Simple allegation? Nothing is simple in this case, as you know.
Was the accident George allegedly talked about something he actually witnessed, or was he talking in the hypothetical? Listen as prosecutors cross-examined Krystal Holloway.
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HOLLOWAY: I just told you that what he said. I never elaborated to anything else. I never said that he said anything else other than what he said.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Other than he believed that it was an accident that snowballed out of control, and she tried to cover it up? That's all he said?
HOLLOWAY: That's not what he said. He said it was an accident that snowballed out of control.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: But he didn't claim that he actually was there or knew that.
HOLLOWAY: You're right. I agree with you. He didn't.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: He said he believed it.
HOLLOWAY: No, he did not say he believed it.
(END VIDEO CLIP)
COSTELLO: Now, George Anthony has denied ever having an affair with this woman, and he's denied ever saying anything about an accident. We wondered if he would be in court today, because everybody suspected that Krystal Holloway would take the stand, Suzanne. And indeed, George Anthony was in court.
He was sitting right beside his wife Cindy Anthony. Lee Anthony sitting beside his mother. No discernible reaction from any of the Anthonys during this testimony.
Other problems with this witness, Suzanne, in a pretrial deposition, Krystal Holloway denied having a sexual affair with George Anthony. She denied it.
And I'm just getting word that George Anthony has taken the stand again, so I've got to get back in there. But I want to finish this.
The other thing prosecution brought up as to Krystal Holloway is she sold her story to "The National Enquirer" for $4,000. And he alleges she did that, she made up this affair, to make that money for telling her story.
Now I've got to go and listen to George Anthony. He's taking the stand for a sixth time.
MALVEAUX: All right, Carol. Thank you so much.
I want to bring our viewers inside the courtroom to listen once again to George Anthony, who has taken the stand.
Let's take a listen. (JOINED IN PROGRESS)
JOSE BAEZ, DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Did anyone during the time at the command center bring Duct tape to the command center?
GEORGE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY'S FATHER: Which command center? Which location, sir, are you talking about?
BAEZ: The location that was shown in the video.
ANTHONY: Which location is that, sir?
BAEZ: If I could have a moment?
Sir, you didn't recognize that location in the video as being close to your home?
ANTHONY: Sir, I'm asking the location. We had numerous command centers that were moved around.
BAEZ: 4466 North John Young Parkway in Orlando.
ANTHONY: No, sir, we never had one there.
BAEZ: OK. So where was that video taken, then?
ANTHONY: Sir, I'm just commenting about the video you're talking about. I have no idea where it was taken, but it wasn't on John Young Parkway.
BAEZ: OK. So was that a Publix where you were at in that video?
ANTHONY: Yes, sir, that was a Publix.
BAEZ: Do you know which Publix that was?
ANTHONY: That particular one, no, sir. We had different locations we went to.
BAEZ: How many different Publix did you go to, sir?
ANTHONY: At least two that I can remember.
BAEZ: OK. So there's two. There's not 50.
ANTHONY: I just answered you two.
BAEZ: OK. Where are these two locations?
ANTHONY: There's one on Chickasaw, North Chickasaw, by Lake Underhill. There's also one on Chickasaw that we had by Curry Ford (ph) Road.
BAEZ: Do you know which one of those two that video was taken at?
ANTHONY: Not at this time. No, sir, I don't. BAEZ: And at that location, at that time, in the first week of August, 2008, where was your command center?
ANTHONY: We had one at the corner of Lake Underhill and Chickasaw, North Chickasaw.
BAEZ: OK. At that location, did anybody else bring Henkel brand Duct tape to your command center?
ANTHONY: I have no idea, sir.
BAEZ: You have no idea?
ANTHONY: I have no idea.
BAEZ: And you have no idea if that's your Duct tape?
ANTHONY: I have no idea, sir. I just answered that.
BAEZ: OK. Sir, I'd like to ask you if when you -- you came from Ohio, right?
ANTHONY: Yes.
BAEZ: That's the same place Henkel brand Duct tape is made, right?
ANTHONY: I have no idea where it was made at, sir.
BAEZ: OK. And when you lived in Ohio, sir, did you have a dog named Mandy (ph)?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection to the relevance of having a dog in Ohio.
BAEZ: I will be tying it in.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'd like to approach.
JUDGE BELVIN PERRY, ORANGE COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT: Approach.
MALVEAUX: You're watching live pictures of the Casey Anthony trial. As you see, they are approaching the bench right now. We're taking a look at Casey Anthony as well to just get her feelings and reaction as this goes on. Her father, George Anthony, has taken the stand again.
Want to bring in our legal expert, Holly Hughes, just to tell us very briefly, what is the significance of having him on once again on the defense side?
HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: What they're trying to do is bring the jury back to the alleged murder weapon, the Duct tape. Jose Baez, lead counsel for Casey, said in his opening, follow the Duct tape. And so what he's trying to do -- because I think this last witness, this River Cruz lady, I think it fell flat.
It was sort of a fizzle out, not the big blockbuster. You know, she's saying, well, I had an affair. He's saying no, we didn't.
I want to see something that proves it if you're going to put her on the stand. I don't want he said/she said. So me the pictures. Show me somebody that saw you hugging and kissing. Show me something. But right now we've got a he said/she said, and I think the defense realizes that.
So they called George back up. Let's make him the villain again. Now we just put in the jury's mind that he's a liar.
MALVEAUX: And why is the Duct tape significant, to put that into George's hands?
HUGHES: Because the prosecution alleges that the Duct tape was the murder weapon that the defendant, Casey Anthony, wrapped around her little baby's skull and covered up her nose, her nasal passages, and the mouth so she couldn't breathe. They're saying that's how the baby died, she was suffocated, smothered with that Duct tape.
What the defense wants to do is take that Duct tape out of Casey's hand and show that George is the one who had care, custody and control over that Duct tape. Well, George kept it in the shed, and he put it on gas cans, and he used it to tape up "Missing" posters, which is where we see them headed right now in their questioning. That's what the videotape is about that they took outside of Publix, because someone shows the "Missing" poster on a video, and it's got the Henkel Duct tape holding up that poster.
So they're saying, Casey is in jail right then. You're the one who has the Duct tape. Therefore, you must be the one who put it on the baby's mouth.
MALVEAUX: And what is the significance of the mistress? Does it really matter whether or not he was having an affair with this volunteer who was looking for the little child?
HUGHES: No, it doesn't, not in the grand scheme of things. I mean, let's face it, Suzanne, we are a forgiving people. We forgave President Clinton, OK, for having affairs.
It's not germane to anything unless you're married to him. You know, I mean, Cindy might have an issue with it, but the rest of us, does it go to whether or not this defendant, Casey Anthony, is guilty of murder? No.
But what the defense wants to do is dirty up George Anthony by making him seem like a liar and deceptive.
MALVEAUX: OK. Let's listen in.
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BAEZ: And how was that dog buried?
ANTHONY: In our yard where we used to live at.
BAEZ: Did you pick the dog up at the vet?
ANTHONY: Yes.
BAEZ: OK. And was the dog wrapped in a blanket?
ANTHONY: To the best of my recollection, probably, yes.
BAEZ: Was the dog then placed in a plastic bag?
ANTHONY: I don't remember that exactly, but the dog was deceased, and the dog was taken to our home and placed there, yes.
BAEZ: Was it also wrapped in Duct tape?
ANTHONY: Sir, I have no idea. You're going back almost 30 years here, sir -- 25 to 30 years.
BAEZ: And was that before Casey was born?
ANTHONY: Yes.
BAEZ: OK. When you moved here, did you have a dog named Beau (ph)?
ANTHONY: Yes.
BAEZ: And how was he buried?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. Can we have a point in time?
BAEZ: Sure, I'll --
PERRY: Sustained.
Rephrase the question.
BAEZ: When did Beau (ph) pass away?
ANTHONY: I can't remember the exact year, sir.
BAEZ: OK. Was it 15 years ago, 10 years ago?
ANTHONY: It could have been 15 or more years ago.
BAEZ: OK. How old was Casey at that time?
ANTHONY: Somewhere in the neighborhood probably of about 4 or 5 years old. I'm just roughly guessing here.
BAEZ: OK. And was Beau buried in a blanket, in a plastic bag wrapped with Duct tape?
ANTHONY: I do not remember him exactly -- what he was exactly buried in since we took him to a veterinarian because he was in distress. He was dying.
BAEZ: OK. Did you have a cat named Penny? ANTHONY: Yes.
BAEZ: Was Penny buried in a plastic bag with Duct tape wrapped around it?
ANTHONY: No.
BAEZ: What about Ginger?
ANTHONY: No.
BAEZ: Is that a dog or a cat?
ANTHONY: That's a dog.
BAEZ: Was Ginger wrapped in a bag with Duct tape wrapped around it?
ANTHONY: I don't remember exactly how the -- our animals were finally put to rest. I can't answer that exactly, precisely, to you.
BAEZ: What about Cinnamon?
ANTHONY: Again, that would be the same answer.
BAEZ: And Misty?
ANTHONY: Never had a dog Misty.
BAEZ: OK. When you found out that your granddaughter was found, and with a blanket and with a plastic bag and with Duct tape, did you tell law enforcement at any time over the last three years that that is the way you used to bury your pets?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Objection. (INAUDIBLE)
PERRY: Yes.
MALVEAUX: They're now taking a quick sidebar.
Holly, explain to us, what is the significance of the line of questioning here, how all of the pets had been buried by George Anthony in the past, some as late as 25 years ago.
HUGHES: Well, remember, Suzanne, the way the body was recovered, the body of little Caylee, who is our victim in this case -- she was 2- and-a-half years old, little child -- her body was found wrapped in a blanket, wrapped in plastic bags, and Duct tape inside of that bag on her skull.
What the defense is trying to do is show that George Anthony is the one who got rid of that body. He's the one that put little Caylee in the woods because she's buried in the same fashion that he used to bury the family pets in.
MALVEAUX: The plastic bag, the blankets, and the Duct tape. HUGHES: Correct. That's where they're going with this. They're trying to draw that parallel, but it's going to backfire because the prosecution is going to get up and say, was your daughter Casey aware that that's how you buried the family pets?
In fact, was she present? Did she see you do this? Did you engage in this practice in front of her?
So, again, the defense is sloppy. And these are questions, Suzanne, that could have been asked the first three times they called him to the stand.
This defense is like a fart in a blizzard. I mean, excuse me, but it's all over the place. Who can follow this nonsense?
The state had to call them out of order because they needed to chronologically progress through telling the story. First, the child goes missing, then she's discovered, then the search.
He doesn't have to do this. He can ask all of these questions at one time. This is crazy. It's distracting.
MALVEAUX: All right. We're actually going to be monitoring this as it continues.
Holly, thank you. Stay with us, of course, as we get some more -- if we see bombshells, we'll certainly bring you back into it.
HUGHES: Great.
MALVEAUX: There are some other stories on our rundown for the next two hours we're following.
Next, tens of thousands hit the streets over plans to cut their pensions. We are live from the protests in London.
And the government lists high-cost schools as the cost of college tuition is skyrocketing.
Then, why this picture of a rifle means a Seattle police officer has a lot of explaining to do.
And later, why an FDA panel said no to the anti-cancer drug Avastin.
And a U.S. outpost in Afghanistan comes under fire by the Taliban. Our embedded reporter, Nick Paton Walsh, sees it all.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): The last attack was long enough ago, there's panic. They're worried the Taliban have been preparing a big one.
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(COMMERCIAL BREAK) MALVEAUX: Want to go back inside the courtroom. They have now called Cindy Anthony, the grandmother in this case. She's back on the stand.
Let's take a listen.
(JOINED IN PROGRESS)
BAEZ: And how was she wrapped? Or do you know the circumstances surrounding that, how she was buried?
CINDY ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY'S MOTHER: Yes. I made an appointment to take her. She had been very ill, and I knew she was going to be placed down, because that was a conversation before I took her to the vet.
And they told me to bring something that I might want to put her with, like a stuffed animal or a blanket or whatever. So I brought a blanket that we actually had.
She was my first baby, actually, before I had the kids. And so you know how pets become your babies.
And I had bought a baby blanket for her, so that blanket I took with her to the vet. And I was holding Mandy when they gave her the injection. And then they took her from me and the blanket.
And I don't know how they put her, but I received her back. She was already wrapped in black plastic with, like, packing tape over it.
BAEZ: OK. Was it Duct tape?
C. ANTHONY: No, sir.
BAEZ: OK.
And did you have a dog named Beau (ph)?
C. ANTHONY: Yes.
BAEZ: And that was when you moved here to Florida?
C. ANTHONY: Yes.
BAEZ: And when did Beau (ph) pass away?
C. ANTHONY: The summer of 1990.
BAEZ: OK. And how was Beau (ph) buried?
C. ANTHONY: We buried him in the back yard.
BAEZ: Was it also with a black plastic bag and Duct tape?
C. ANTHONY: Again, Beau (ph) was taken to the vet, and I was at work. George and Casey took Beau (ph) to the vet when he was in distress, and the vet -- he actually died on the table while the vet was looking at him.
And the vet secured him. And then later that evening, when I got home from work, he was already ready to be buried. So George and I and the kids had a little ceremony in the back.
BAEZ: OK. And how old were the kids?
C. ANTHONY: Lee was in first grade and Casey was -- it was our first summer there, so I think she had just had her 4th birthday.
BAEZ: And was the pet buried in a plastic bag with tape wrapped around it?
C. ANTHONY: I believe it was in black plastic. I'm not sure if it was a bag, but it was black plastic, and again with tape.
BAEZ: OK. And did you have any other pets that were buried that way?
C. ANTHONY: Well, there was no other pets that the vet had secured for us. The rest of the ones we did on our own.
BAEZ: OK. And how would you do those?
C. ANTHONY: Pretty much the same way. If we didn't have a blanket or something, we had like a towel or something that we would use, like if we gave them a bath or whatever, a special towel that we had set aside for them.
Ginger, Cinnamon were buried with a towel. And then I think we may have put one of the -- a toy, a favorite toy with one of the Cocker Spaniels. And then we put them in a couple of layers of plastic garbage bags and wrapped them with clear packing tape.
BAEZ: Did you ever tell me that they were wrapped in Duct tape?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Your Honor, objection.
BAEZ: I'll withdraw the question.
PERRY: Sustained.
BAEZ: I'll withdraw the question.
Are there any other -- would that be the rest of the pets that you had, were all buried the same way?
C. ANTHONY: Penny, my cat, in 2009, he passed. And I put him in actually one of Caylee's hooded bath towels. It was very special to me, and I placed him in that, and then put him in the plastic bags and then wrapped him with packing tape.
BAEZ: No further questions.
PERRY: Cross-examination?
LINDA DRANE BURDICK, PROSECUTOR: Thank you. Good morning, Mrs. Anthony.
C. ANTHONY: Good morning.
BURDICK: I take it that you did not euthanize your own pets with chloroform?
C. ANTHONY: No, ma'am, we did not.
BAEZ: Objection, Your Honor. Move to strike. This is beyond the scope.
BURDICK: We're talking about how the animals became deceased.
PERRY: Sustained.
BURDICK: Did you put Duct tape on any of the animal faces prior to their burial?
C. ANTHONY: No, ma'am.
BURDICK: Cinnamon and Ginger were two Cocker Spaniels?
C. ANTHONY: Yes, ma'am.
BURDICK: Mom and baby?
C. ANTHONY: Yes, ma'am.
BURDICK: And they passed away within six months of each other, correct?
C. ANTHONY: Approximately.
BURDICK: OK. The first in the fall of 2003. Is that accurate?
C. ANTHONY: I think so.
BURDICK: And the other either in the winter or spring of 2004?
C. ANTHONY: Yes, ma'am.
BURDICK: Your daughter Casey would have been a senior in high school at that time, correct?
C. ANTHONY: Yes.
BURDICK: OK. And Casey assisted you in wrapping either Cinnamon or Ginger or both, correct?
C. ANTHONY: I believe she was present. I think it was George and I who actually wrapped the dogs.
BURDICK: Well, the reason for putting the tape around the bag was so that the bag would be compact for burial, correct?
C. ANTHONY: Yes.
BURDICK: And you said this was a family tradition? Correct?
C. ANTHONY: Pretty much, to have them -- I mean, we started -- I buried Mandy in our back yard in Ohio, and if we would have stayed there and had more animals, we would have probably had one spot. And when we moved to Florida, we designated a spot at our home that if any of the animals passed, we would put them there, if possible.
BURDICK: But this is something that your family did for a period of years that your children were aware of, correct?
C. ANTHONY: Yes. We even had a dog -- not really a headstone, but George had found a dog made of stone that we kind of marked the spots.
BURDICK: A little memorial marker in the yard for the dog?
C. ANTHONY: Yes, ma'am.
BURDICK: All right. And was Casey present when the dogs were buried?
C. ANTHONY: I'm not sure if she was present for Cinnamon and Ginger, both of them. But I believe she was present at one of them. And I know she was present with Beau (ph). She was not present with Mandy.
BURDICK: OK. That was 2009? That was the late '80s?
C. ANTHONY: Yes. That was in the '80s because she was little.
I had her with neighbors. George was working, and I came home and buried her by myself because I didn't want the kids -- they didn't even know she was put down. I wanted to wait and tell them.
BURDICK: All right. But definitely by the time she's a senior in high school, she was aware of the burial and the methods of burial in the yard?
C. ANTHONY: Yes, ma'am.
BURDICK: That's all I have, Your Honor.
PERRY: Redirect?
BAEZ: The tape was used to secure the top of the bag so it wouldn't open?
C. ANTHONY: The tape was placed around the bags in two locations, the top and the bottom, so that the -- when we rolled it to keep the air out so that -- you know, we were trying to keep things from getting into the bag, so we placed tape like at thirds, one third and two- thirds.
BAEZ: No further questions.
PERRY: May the witness be excused?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes.
PERRY: Thank you, ma'am. You may be excused.
C. ANTHONY: Thank you.
MALVEAUX: Holly, I want to ask you, how successful were these two witnesses, particularly Cindy Anthony, in describing how the pets were buried? Clearly, it looked like they were trying to draw a parallel between how the little girl Caylee was found and buried and how all of these previous pets were found and buried.
HUGHES: Right. This is another example of the defense shooting themselves in the foot, in my opinion, because they want to make a big deal that, clearly, George must have done this to Caylee's body because this is how the pets were buried.
But the first thing they get up and do on cross-examination is say, OK, but Casey was aware of all of this. Casey was present for these. She saw how the bodies were wrapped.
And, you know, Linda Drane Burdick, the prosecutor, I've got to tell you, she went for the jugular. Her first question is, but you didn't euthanize your own pets with chloroform, did you? Of course not. So, you know, proving the point once again, this was an intentional killing.
MALVEAUX: All right. And now we have the brother, Lee Anthony, taking the stand again. Let's listen in.
(JOINED IN PROGRESS)
BAEZ: How old were you when Mandy passed away in Ohio?
LEE ANTHONY, CASEY ANTHONY'S BROTHER: Very young -- 3, 4.
BAEZ: OK. Do you even remember that happening?
L. ANTHONY: Not in particular, no.
BAEZ: OK. When was the first time that you remember your family having to bury a pet?
L. ANTHONY: I don't remember being present for Beau (ph). I remember that we had to bury him, but I don't remember being present for him. The same goes for Ginger. I wasn't here. But I was here when Cinnamon was buried.
BAEZ: And how was Cinnamon buried?
L. ANTHONY: I buried her in our back yard.
BAEZ: OK. And was she in a plastic bag with Duct tape?
L. ANTHONY: She was in a black plastic bag. And I do recall there being Duct tape used to secure the bag.
BAEZ: Duct tape wasn't used -- I'll withdraw that. Were there any other pets that you were present for the burial?
L. ANTHONY: The only other pet that I was present for the burial was one that my grandmother had, similar circumstances, but that was given to us by the vet. No other family pet that I can recall being present for the burial or if I was, I was too young to remember.
BAEZ: And how was that pet given to you, from your grandmother?
L. ANTHONY: My grandmother's. It was also in a black plastic like garbage bag. It was taped. I believe it was more of a clear tape, and it was very cold. She was kind of on ice until we picked her up.
BAEZ: Who was in charge of burying your family pets?
L. ANTHONY: Typically would have been any parents.
BAEZ: OK. I have no further questions.
BELVIN PERRY, JUDGE: Cross-examination?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: None.
PERRY: May the witness be excused? Thank you, sir. You may be excused.
(INAUDIBLE)
PERRY: You may.
MALVEAUX: We are still waiting to see if the defense is going to call any additional witnesses. Until they say that they have concluded or wrapped up, there is still the possibility or potential that they will call additional folks to the stand.
And, clearly, Holly, the question we've been asking from day one is whether or not Casey Anthony would take the stand, whether or not that's a good idea.
We heard this theory about how the pet was buried. And they were trying to draw a parallel between how the pets were buried and how Caylee was found and buried.
Is there anything left for the defense now? Are there any other possible links or theories they could throw out at this point?
HUGHES: I can't see anything left, Suzanne. And I think that's why they've approached the bench.
I think what's going on here is they are telling the judge, we have no more witnesses. Now is the time for you to advise the defendant on the record of her rights. There have to be certain things told to the defendant.
She has to be told outside the presence of the jury she has the right to testify, but she also has the right to remain silent. She does not have to get up and testify. It's completely her right. Nobody can force her but the decision is hers and hers alone.
And I think they're probably saying, let's do that now, Judge.
MALVEAUX: OK. We're going to return to this after the break. We've got some other news.
Whitey Bulger says that while in hiding he traveled back to Boston, armed to the teeth, to take care of unfinished business. I'm going to talk to a man who says this infamous Boston mob boss wanted him dead.
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MALVEAUX: He was on the run for 16 years. But, now, Boston's infamous mob boss, James "Whitey" Bulger, will finally stand trial on 19 counts of murder. A hearing is set to continue just minutes from now.
Bulger is demanding the judge put a clamp down on federal agents talking about his case to the media. Now, he argues that he can't get a fair trial with all of this information being leaked.
So, what leaks is he talking about? Well, it is now public knowledge that Bulger took trips to Las Vegas, Boston and Mexico while in hiding. He also told the feds he went to Boston, quote, "armed to the teeth" to take care of some unfinished business. We now know that Bulger hid more than $100,000 in the walls of his Santa Monica hideout, and that he even stashed more cash away with people that he trusted.
Well, Bulger is asking for a public defender. But prosecutors say he should be able to pay for his own lawyer.
My next guest believes that Whitey Bulger wants him dead.
Howie Carr is a radio host and columnist of "The Boston Herald." And he has written exclusively about Bulger and extensively about Bulger.
First, Howie, thanks for being here. Your reaction when you heard this guy is finally caught.
HOWIE CARR, COLUMNIST, BOSTON HERALD: Well, I was very happy. I thought they'd get him eventually. They had a $2 million reward on him. Usually that turns up someone who will inform on another fugitive.
But I didn't expect him to be in the U.S. I thought he'd been gone from the U.S. since 1996. So, that surprised me greatly that he was hiding in plain sight as it were.
MALVEAUX: And, Howie, why did he want you dead?
CARR: I was writing a lot about his brother -- his brother Billy Bulger, who was the president of the Massachusetts state Senate. A lot of Billy's power seemed to emanate from the fact that he had this murderous, blood-thirsty gangster behind him. As the mayor of Boston once said, if my brother threatened to kill you, you'd be nothing but nice to me. And I put quotes like that into the paper and Whitey took offense and decided that he was going to kill me and put out a contract on me. But it was never fulfilled, thankfully.
MALVEAUX: How come? How do you -- why do you suppose he never acted on that? Why do you think you're still alive today?
CARR: Well, I think I was not at the p top of the hit list, so to speak. If I had made a mistake, if I ended up drunk, say, in South Boston at closing time where he lived, they might have taken me out. Or if I had taken the same route home every night, they would have been able to figure out where to pick me up.
But, you know, you learn -- you learn little tricks, you know, when somebody is looking to kill you, you know? People want to meet with you. You don't -- you say, no, I'm not going to meet with you. I'll just -- I'll run into you sometime.
You always got to just keep moving. You don't want that these people ever catch you flat-footed.
And I was lucky. I was pretty lucky, I admit it.
MALVEAUX: Howie, so, you actually -- what did you do? You actually evaded this guy for years and years, you were moving around and --
CARR: Yes. Well, I had to drive by him to get from one of my jobs to another one of my jobs. I had to go by his liquor store and he'd often be standing out in front of the liquor store. And he knew who he was. And he'd stare at me and stare at my car.
They told my friends who went into the liquor store that the gangsters owned that if I ever went in there, they'd chop me p up and put me in a dumpster.
But, you know, the problem was, in those days in Boston, the FBI was pretty are much controlled by Whitey Bulger, the gangster, and the Boston police were somewhat controlled. They weren't totally corrupt, but Bulger had some guys there are. And the state police had to worry about their funding from Billy Bulger, the Senate president who was Whitey's brother.
So, there wasn't really any cops you could go to in Boston in the 1980s. If you had this problem, you just had to ride it out by yourself.
MALVEAUX: And, Howie, you must be breathing a sigh of relief or not? Yes? Or not so much?
CARR: I am. I was -- I was -- I was extremely happy when he went on the lam back in 1995. But I always wondered where he was. It was somewhat disconcerting this week when they said he had come back to Boston armed to the teeth. Although that they may have just been brave talk from a man who's shackled now and looking to spend the rest of his life in prison.
MALVEAUX: All right. Howie Carr, thanks for joining us. I'm sure you'll be following that trial very closely. Appreciate it.
Well, there have been some emotional cars to keep a drug available for breast cancer patients.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I believe the lives of thousands of women would be compromised; they would actually die, if you withdraw Avastin from the market.
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MALVEAUX: But an advisory committee recommends doing just that -- to take Avastin off the market for breast cancer treatment. We're going to tell you what that means for patients.
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PATRICIA HOWARD, CANCER PATIENT: I'm not just a piece of anecdotal information. I'm a wife, mother, sister, aunt and granny, and a friend and a vibrant human being worthy of the dignity of being treated as such.
I never thought in the United States I would have to beg for a drug keeping me and many others alive. Please approve Avastin of a treatment for my disease. What if I was your wife, your mother, your sister, your friend? And what if I was your granny?
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MALVEAUX: After two days of often emotional testimony, an FDA panel recommends that the drug Avastin lose its approval for treatment of women with advanced breast cancer. And some women with broadcast cancer swear by this drug.
Well, senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen joins us.
Elizabeth, first of all, what does this mean for women who have breast cancer now?
ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Right. What the FDA did yesterday will likely mean that women who want to keep taking Avastin or want to start Avastin will have to pay for it out of their own pockets, because insurers will say, well, geez, the FDA, you know, didn't approve it, if that's what ends up happening. The FDA didn't -- you know, doesn't put it on their list of approved drugs for metastatic breast cancer. We don't want to pay for it.
It's $90,000 a year.
MALVEAUX: That's so tough. That's so tough to so many people.
COHEN: Right. Most people can't afford that.
MALVEAUX: What, there are some breast cancer survivors who are not big fans of this. What are they saying?
COHEN: Right. We heard from the woman who said, hey, this saved my life. Keep it on the market.
Other breast cancer patients say, well, the data is clear that this drug does not prolong life. And why are you having it out there? It just raises false hopes.
So, let's hear from one of them.
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CHRISTINE BRUNSWICK, V.P., NATL. BREAST CANCER COALITION: It does not significantly keep the disease at bay. It surely is not a cure and it does not extend life. The drug does raise false expectations and does detract from focusing on other research that may produce effective lifesaving drugs.
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MALVEAUX: So, this woman does not believe that this is a bad idea. And you met a woman last year who says that this drug did work for her, but her story did not end in a good way.
COHEN: No, it didn't. I met a woman named Ronni Villaruel (ph), just a lovely woman, mother with a young child. She said that Avastin was responsible for giving her an approximately extra year and a half of life. And you can see her with her daughter.
And she said, look, it it's a year and a half, but that's what I want with my kid. That gives me time with my beautiful daughter.
And, sadly, she died six months after I saw her. So, did she get an extra year and a half from Avastin? Maybe. Maybe it was the other drugs that she was taking.
But she thinks that Avastin played a role and she thinks that her insurance was write to pay for it.
MALVEAUX: And what does the drug maker saying about? How do they responded?
COHEN: Well, the drug maker is pointing point out that this is just an FDA panel. It's not the actual FDA commissioner. So, they're hoping the commissioner will disagree with the panel.
I got to say that's unlikely. The panel was unanimous. That doesn't happen all that often. My guess is, is that the commissioner will agree and will say, no, Avastin should not be approved for metastatic breast cancer.
MALVEAUX: OK. Clearly, a very emotional debate. There are a lot of people who are invested in this.
COHEN: That's right.
MALVEAUX: All right. Thank you, Elizabeth. Appreciate it.
COHEN: Thanks.
MALVEAUX: We're going to take a quick break.
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MALVEAUX: After taking a ribbing from the president about their work ethic, Congress is now postponing a vacation to work on the national debt.
Our Kate Bolduan, she's part of "The Best Political Team on Television." She is live from Capitol Hill.
And, Kate, this was -- you know, Jessica Yellin's question to the president yesterday, are they going to stick to the August 2nd deadline, you know, with the debt ceiling, what are they going to do? And the president shot back and said, hey, guys, I'm working. You've got to work, too. What's going on?
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Yes. Well, it seems that more than just announcing that they're canceling the break, it seems that they may be feeling the pressure a bit. But as you said, Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid did announce this morning that they will be canceling their planned July 4th break, which is next week, in order to be in session to continue working on the negotiations on the debt talks and the negotiations to raise the debt ceiling.
The criticism it seems that came from the president was really it seemed aimed at House Republicans who are out this week but back much of next. And it seems that the Senate is feeling the first consequences of this.
But let's listen to the remark by the president. A very strong critique of Congress for going out of town while these issues remain unresolved, this being a response from him to a question from our Jessica Yellin. Listen here.
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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: They're in one week, they're out one week. And then they're saying, Obama's got to step in. You need to be here. I've been here. I have been doing Afghanistan and bin Laden, and the Greek crisis. You stay here. Let's get it done.
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BOLDUAN: It seems cranking up the political jockeying even more, the Republican political leader in the Senate, Mitch McConnell, took the Senate floor just a few minutes ago, just moments, asking -- inviting the president, if you will, to come to the Capitol, to come to the other side of Pennsylvania Avenue this afternoon to continue these talks to get the work done, if you will, and saying in part, "that the president says he wants to get working, I can't think of a better way than to have him come over and hear directly from us about the legislative realities." Those realities that McConnell says he's dealing with is that anything that amounts to a tax increase, in whatever package will come out, will not pass the House. And he says that's what they're dealing with and that's why they're sticking firm and that's why this debate continues.
MALVEAUX: Kate, there's definitely some brinkmanship that's going on here. Both -- tough talk on both sides, here, I guess -- trying to shame the other into getting more involved.
Mark Halperin, I know him. He's a great political pundit, very smart guy, had some tough choice words -- some tough talk about what the president said this morning. And it created a little buzz and a little controversy, huh, Kate?
BOLDUAN: And quite a bit of fallout, if you will, Suzanne. Mark Halperin, he's the editor-at-large of "TIME" magazine. He was on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" this morning. And in trying to characterize how the president did at the press conference yesterday, he had a really crude characterization for the president, calling the president a word starting with a "D," and we won't repeat it here, as it's a crude characterization of anyone, especially the president.
Halperin very quickly later apologized to the show, to the president, and to the viewers. But MSNBC has come out today to say that they have suspended Halperin indefinitely from his role of being an analyst for MSNBC, calling the comment completely inappropriate and unacceptable. Very difficult situation there.
And we should ad that "TIME" magazine, his employer, is owned by Time Warner, which is also a parent company of CNN -- Suzanne.
MALVEAUX: All right. Kate, thank you very much.
For the latest political news, you know where to go -- CNNPolitics.com.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If you don't take your responsibility to the fullest, you know, one of our friends might die. I love y'all, take care, and take care of each other. I'll be home soon.
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MALVEAUX: This is just heartbreaking. That was the marine's last words, 20-year-old John Farias. He sent this video home to his family in Texas. It came two weeks before he was killed in Afghanistan.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I have run out of tears right now. That was my one and only son, and I loved him so much.
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MALVEAUX: Farias was to have come home in October.
Well, it's another painful reminder of the dangers American troops face at war. CNN's Nick Paton Walsh takes us deep into Taliban territory for an exclusive look of the fighting that's happening on the frontlines.
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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Everywhere you look here in Kunar, on Afghanistan's eastern border, the choices aren't good. Outpost Pertel King (ph) is caught between hills full of Taliban. If the Americans leave, militants from Pakistan will flow through the valley. And if they stay, then every few days this happens.
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WALSH: The mortars hit the base.
The last attack was long enough ago there is panic. They are worried the Taliban have been preparing a big one.
(on camera): After days of nothing, the insurgents have finally amassed around the compound and they are being attacked from all sides.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Come on, hustle up. Grab it, get ready.
WALSH (voice-over): They use mortars first, aiming for Taliban dug into the hills. But the incoming fire is very accurate here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Fire!
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Go, go, go!
WALSH: They arrange cover from heavy machine guns.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Grab the round and shoot if they go cyclic, drop it!
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh!
WALSH: But the bullets are too close.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Never mind!
WALSH: Locals scatter. Just before huge American firepower has the last word.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh!
(SOUNDS OF EXPLOSION) MALE: Whoo hoo!
WALSH: Four massive air strikes across the hills and then the Taliban fall silent.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Say hi to Osama for me.
WALSH: Americans knew why it came here, but isn't sure why it's staying.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can we get, like, a police call for like brass and cigarette butts --
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WALSH: Ten minutes later, jets swoop in to strafe the hills.
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WALSH: A show of force, but the Taliban are now either gone or dead. At least five killed by a soldier's count.
The next morning, it starts again. Mortars and rocket-filled grenades pound the base.
(on camera): For the second time in just 15 hours under attack, much heavier this time. And it appears they have taken casualties.
(voice-over): More air strikes. This valley is vital strategically but doesn't want to be conquered. The medics fly in to collect one soldier. His injuries are not life-threatening.
There's no real victory to be had here though. Just the question of how long they will stay growing louder.
Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, Kunar, Afghanistan.
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