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Casey Anthony Gets Maximum Sentence for Lying to Police; President Obama Meets With Lawmakers on Debt; Final Mission of NASA's Space Shuttle Program; June Employment Shows Gains; Casey Anthony Goes Back To Jail; Proper Summer Tipping Etiquette; News Corp to Shut Down 'News of the World'

Aired July 07, 2011 - 11:00   ET

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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Live from Studio 7, I'm Suzanne Malveaux.

Want to get you up to speed for this Thursday, July 7th.

Casey Anthony stays in jail, at least for now. A Florida judge gave her the maximum sentence today for lying to police: four years.

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JUDGE BELVIN PERRY, ORANGE COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT: I will sentence you to one year in the Orange County Jail, imposing a $1,000 fine on each count. All four counts to run consecutive to each other, giving you credit for the time that you have previously served.

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MALVEAUX: Analysts say that means that Casey Anthony could go free as early as August.

On Tuesday, jurors found Anthony not guilty of killing her daughter Caylee, but they convicted her on four counts of lying to police.

Now, one of the jurors says she and others on the panel were "sick to our stomachs" over the not guilty jury. Jennifer Ford, a nursing student, told ABC News that the evidence didn't add up to murder conviction.

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JENNIFER FORD, JUROR, CASEY ANTHONY TRIAL: How did she die? If you're going to charge someone with murder, don't you have to know how they killed someone or why they might have killed someone? Or have something -- where, when, why, how?

Those were important questions that were not answered. I'm still confused. I have no idea what happened to that child.

If you put even just the 12 jurors in one room with a piece of paper, write down how Caylee died, nobody knows. We'd all be guessing. We have no idea. (END VIDEO CLIP)

MALVEAUX: President Obama and congressional leaders are starting debt ceiling crisis talks. That's happening at the White House right now.

The president is dramatically upping the ante. Democratic officials say he's going to go for perhaps $4 trillion instead of $2 trillion in debt reduction over a decade or so. Now, to get there, he could consider cuts in Social Security and Medicare. In exchange, the president wants Republicans to agree to tax increases, something they said they will not do.

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REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), HOUSE SPEAKER: I've also made clear that we are not going to raise taxes on the American people. We're not going to raise taxes on the very people that we expect to reinvest in our economy and to help grow jobs.

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MALVEAUX: An attorney says Dominique Strauss-Kahn will never plead guilty to anything. A hotel housekeeper accuses Strauss-Kahn of sexual assault. The former IMF chief's lawyers sat down with Manhattan prosecutors on Wednesday to discuss the next steps in the case. Prosecutors have questioned the housekeeper's credibility.

A federal appeals court is ordering the Pentagon to stop enforcing "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" immediately. Congress repealed the policy last winter, but the Obama administration favors a slow transition to open service by gays and lesbians in the military. Now, if that's to continue, the administration will have to get the U.S. Supreme Court to block the appeals court order.

Federal regulators are ordering ExxonMobil to make safety upgrades to its Montana pipeline. It ruptured last week, spilling thousands of gallons of oil into the Yellowstone River. For starters, ExxonMobil will have to rebury the pipeline under the riverbed to protect the river from future accidents.

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PATRICK OPPMANN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: The water's going out into farmlands, into places here. And you can see where animals graze, where people use this land for livestock purposes.

So, it's going to have a wide-ranging impact here. And you don't even have to go very far.

We're on a road not far at all from the city. And you just walk a few feet down into the grasslands. All you have to do is really just yank some of this grass off, and you see how almost every blade of grass is coated with this thick, just disgusting oil.

(END VIDEO CLIP) MALVEAUX: This next story, the very definition of gumption. Police are looking for a man who walked out of a San Francisco art gallery with a Picasso under his arm.

Police say he went straight to the Picasso, picked it up, walked out, got into a cab that was waiting for him. The Picasso pencil drawing titled "Head of a Woman" is valued at $200,000.

Back to Casey Anthony now, as she goes back to jail. The judge threw the book at her this morning, giving her the maximum possible sentence for lying to police during the search for her daughter.

Want to get straight to our CNN's Martin Savidge. He was in the courtroom during the sentencing, and he's now outside with demonstrators.

Martin, first of all, paint a picture for us, what that was like inside that courtroom as everybody waited for the sentencing.

MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it was a very different feel, Suzanne, than it was, say, a couple of days ago, when we were all there to hear of courses what the verdict was. This time it was a much more relaxed Casey Anthony we saw. In fact, to say she let her hair down is both literal and figurative.

If you looked at her in that video, you saw one of the striking things about the change of her feature was that she has no longer had the hair up in a bun, or she didn't have it up in a ponytail. She had it hanging around her shoulders. So she felt much more comfortable in the courtroom today.

The sentencing aspect though is a very complicated equation here. The judge did throw the book, but he didn't have much of a book to throw.

You're really talking about four misdemeanors here. He gave her the max time, one year for each of those four, to be served consecutively.

In other words, one after the other, not concurrently, which was one of the big questions here. But she's already served about three years. She gets good time. She gets something which in Florida they call "gain time."

So, right now, the attorneys for both the prosecution and the defense are still in the courtroom, sort of putting their heads together to figure out, well, what will be the exact release date? They know one thing, it is not going to be today. And the judge had indicated, while in the proceedings, that it could be around the end of July or August.

In the meantime, a small gathering really of protesters. Not the kind we had anticipated to see, really, given the nature of just how high emotions have been running.

Security is very high. You've got sheriff's deputies that are on horseback here. You've got helicopters hovering overhead. And you've got deputies that are walking all around the grounds here.

But for the most part, it has remained calm as they continue to try to figure out exactly when will Casey Anthony go free.

MALVEAUX: And Martin, there are demonstrators out there. What are they saying to you? Are they upset? Do they think this is justice done? Are they waiting?

SAVIDGE: You get two groups out here. They've divided the specific protest areas.

In fact, this one here is basically what you would say is the group that is opposed to the way the verdict came down. They've been basically saying there's been no justice for Caylee, which of course is the little girl whose life was lost in all of this.

And then you come over to the other direction -- well, now there's hardly anybody there. But if you look just off in the distance, you can see that there is another small gathering -- there was.

Those are the pro-Casey folks. And as we say, the two sides have been kept apart as a result of law enforcement. But these are very small crowds, actually, considering how much and how angry people were when that verdict came down.

MALVEAUX: Sure. All right.

Martin Savidge, outside the courtroom.

Thank you very much.

Now, most legal experts predicted that Casey Anthony would walk out of jail a free woman today, but Judge Belvin Perry, he sided squarely with the prosecution during the sentencing.

Want to bring in our senior legal analyst, Jeffrey Toobin.

And Jeffrey, the defense has some time to appeal. Would it make any sense for them to do that, or is she going to be in jail for such a short period of time, there's really nothing for them to do?

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: I think it would be crazy for them to appeal.

Casey Anthony won this case. A week ago she was looking at the death penalty, at the possibility of getting a lethal injection.

Today, we are trying to figure out whether she's going to get out the end of July or in August. I mean, the difference is so stark between those two options that, it is so clear she won this case.

And she's not even, as a result of this case, a convicted felon. The four crimes that she was convicted of are misdemeanors.

Now, it is unusual to get consecutive year-long sentences for four misdemeanors, but because she served so much time already, this really amounts to a trivial addition. She should take her winnings, go home, stay away from children, leave Florida, and disappear into obscurity.

MALVEAUX: Jeff, I don't know if she's going to do any of those thing you mentioned, but why do you suppose that the judge gave her the maximum here? Do you think he was sending a message to the public, to the jurors, to her?

TOOBIN: Well, you know, what he did, which I thought was very smart, is we've all been talking about the four misdemeanors. What Judge Perry did is he summarized the false statements that Casey Anthony made. And they were so appalling, they were so disgraceful.

Here, this 2-year-old child is dead in the ground, and she's telling police all sorts of fantastical, awful lies. And just to be reminded of what she did, I think the judge, very appropriately, was appalled at her behavior and wanted to give her the maximum that he could.

It was not much given the fact that these were just misdemeanors. But by summarizing the actual lies that she told and, you know, reminding us of the horror of what this woman did, you know, putting the world through this painful, ridiculous, in retrospect, search and, you know, when she knew where her daughter's body was, was just appalling. And I thought the judge was right to remind everybody about it.

MALVEAUX: Right.

Jeff, is this case over? We know that there are other people who have come forward, the one who had the identical name of the made up, the fictitious nanny, who is suing now. And also, we have the parents, Cindy, as well as George. Cindy at least, it was shown during the proceeding, had lied at some point during the testimony. That could possibly bring a perjury charge.

What's next?

TOOBIN: I think the criminal case is over. There is nothing further to do as a criminal matter.

Casey Anthony could confess on the steps of the courthouse. She's protected by the double jeopardy clause. This case is over.

Civilly, there's a lot going on. Most importantly, the IRS is after Casey Anthony. And the IRS is always first in line for money that she owes.

She received money from ABC. She didn't pay taxes on it. The IRS is after her. There are various civil cases.

There is the Florida authorities' attempt to try to get Casey Anthony to pay for some of the investigation that went forward. All of that will be resolved in the usual way that civil litigation is resolved, which is very, very slowly. I anticipate these things will kick around in the courts for years. I would be surprised, other than the IRS, if Casey Anthony ever winds up paying anybody any money in connection.

MALVEAUX: All right. Jeffrey Toobin, thank you so much.

Want to go directly to the White House. Our White House correspondent, Brianna Keilar, she is just out of the meeting that the president is having, a small group of Democrats and Republicans sitting down, trying to negotiate a number of things. Obviously, how to tackle the federal deficit and the budget.

Want to go to Brianna.

Brianna, what do you have for us? Any progress here?

BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Well, Suzanne, I think obviously there's been a lot of movement here in the last day. We learned yesterday that President Obama was considering a deficit reduction package of $3 trillion to $4 trillion over the next 10 years, much bigger than he'd been considering before. And we've learned some new details.

Actually, I think we also have -- I want to show you this, Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Want to go directly to the president speaking, if I may, Brianna.

BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I was reading about that sand storm. That's incredible.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The EPA has already called them.

(LAUGHTER)

OBAMA: Yes? I can imagine.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Too much dust in there.

OBAMA: All right, guys. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Thank you.

MALVEAUX: Sorry to interrupt you there. I just wanted to give our viewers kind of an inside peek.

You were inside of that room. Obviously, the president and the Republican Democratic leadership refused to answer any questions that you were throwing at them.

What took place? What kind of progress was made out of that meeting?

KEILAR: Well, this is the very beginning of the meeting, so we're still waiting to figure out if anything happens. We've been told from -- a Republican source I spoke to said, don't expect any deal to be coming out of this meeting. But, Suzanne, this is pretty intriguing, because even I know that just looks like a bunch of leaders sitting around the cabinet table, this is the first time that we have really seen this video of these discussions. So much of it has been behind closed doors. And this is the first time that the president really has these top eight members of Congress here in these debt discussions.

And there's a whole lot to tackle. After what was seemingly kind of a stalemate, an impasse here for the last couple of weeks, as this August 2nd deadline ticks closer and closer for raising the debt ceiling, we know that yesterday we learned from Democratic sources the president is considering a much larger, much more ambitious package than he talked about before -- $3 trillion to $4 trillion in deficit savings, it appears, according to sources, over the next 10 years.

That's almost double, perhaps even more than he was considering before. And it's so ambitious, Suzanne, that it's something that would have to require putting Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, the big three entitlements, on the table, as well as tax reform.

Very comprehensive idea here, although one Republican source that I spoke with stressed this is just a proposal being discussed between President Obama and Speaker Boehner. But, Suzanne, that's pretty significant --

MALVEAUX: Sure, absolutely.

KEILAR: -- because these are really seen as the two big players in this.

MALVEAUX: Absolutely, very significant.

And Brianna, if you would, tell us a little bit about on the Republican side -- I know there are some ideas the Republicans about they are willing to give up or negotiate in these talks.

KEILAR: That's right. And we're also learning something about the timeline that I find particularly interesting, Suzanne, I learned from a Republican source.

I said, "How is it even possible that you could tackle all of this in all this time?" And the answer is, perhaps they can't.

One Republican source said something that Republicans are amenable to and is being discussed is dealing with entitlements sort of up front here, ahead of the August 2nd deadline, and then pushing the tax reform negotiations beyond August 2nd, because it would be a large overhaul of the tax system. What Republicans would like to see is a reduced tax rate for corporations and for individuals. And then they'd like to see a simplification of the tax code deductions, obviously, that a lot of Americans and corporations take so they can vastly reduce what they pay in taxes.

It sounds simple, right, Suzanne? But we know that this is so complicated.

MALVEAUX: Sure.

KEILAR: I mean, this really -- this is really why so many people here in Washington are employed, because of tax loopholes. This is something that a lot of people on both sides of the aisle, it would be -- obviously, the devil will be in the details, but I think the devil is also in sort of the large, broad strokes as well.

MALVEAUX: And Brianna, play this out for us, if you will. What happens if they don't reach a deal? What would be the consequence if they don't come up with something?

KEILAR: You know, if you listen to experts, if they don't come to a deal, if the U.S. were to default on their loan obligations, it would be, at least in the words of White House Press Secretary Jay Carney, calamitous. And I think a lot of experts agree the ramifications would be serious if the U.S. cannot pay their loans.

Very real for Americans would be interest rates, your 401(k). I mean, we're talking about very real, everyday stuff.

At this point, though, you have both sides saying they're still working towards doing that. But as I mentioned, Suzanne, this current proposal under consideration could stretch negotiations beyond August 2nd. So, obviously, there would have to be some sort of raising the debt ceiling before that and sort of staggering the different parts of this negotiation.

MALVEAUX: All right.

Brianna Keilar, just out of that meeting.

Thank you very much, Brianna.

Here's a rundown of some of the other stories that we're covering in the next two hours.

First, we're counting down to NASA's last shuttle mission. Hear the final crew's reflections.

Also, new job numbers. The markets, moving now.

Plus, Casey Anthony goes back to jail. Our attorneys discuss her sentence.

And later, al Qaeda tries to make a comeback in Afghanistan.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right past there, usually our patrols don't push too far past that. Because if you push up any farther past that, you're going to take enemy contact. That's pretty certain.

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MALVEAUX: CNN's "In-Depth" focus this week: the final mission of NASA's space shuttle program.

Atlantis is scheduled to lift off in a little more than 24 hours. That is 11:26 a.m. Eastern on Friday. But, big question about the weather, whether or not that's going to cooperate.

Our John Zarrella, he's covering the launch at the Kennedy Space Center, and he talked with the crew that will be aboard Atlantis for this historic liftoff.

Reynolds Wolf is tracking the weather near Kennedy Space Center.

We're going to start with you, John, first.

Tell us about the crew. Are they ready? Are they excited?

JOHN ZARRELLA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Oh, yes. I mean, this crew -- you know, Suzanne, at one point didn't even think they were going to be the last crew. The Discovery crew was supposed to be the final shuttle, then the Endeavour crew. And along the way, NASA added this flight.

This was supposed to be a launch-on-need flight, a rescue shuttle, if one of the others got in trouble. But now, NASA decided, you know what? We have all these extra parts left, we've got a vehicle that can fly. Why not fly it?

So, that's what the determination was made. And then, suddenly, this crew found themselves not being a backup, on-need crew, but the prime crew, and now they are flying the final shuttle. And they have become known as "The Final Four."

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Thanks for coming out.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A beautiful shuttle, beautiful day.

ZARRELLA: You guys are going to be the last shuttle flight. What's going through your mind? Are you going, oh, man, you know, why me? Or is it like this --

REX WALHEIM, SHUTTLE MISSION SPECIALIST: Kind of like being at Disneyland late at night and thinking, OK, am I going to get to the front of the line before the ride closes, or am I going get to actually get to -- get cut off there at the very end? So, when we finally got assigned to the flight, it's like, wow, you know, you kind of squeaked by. And then to realize that this, you know, probably will be the last space shuttle mission ever, it really felt like an honor to be a part of it.

CAPT. CHRIS FERGUSON, SHUTTLE COMMANDER: We want to make sure we get the job done. And when the job is done, we can look back and reflect and think about where the place in history lied for this final shuttle flight.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The crew, getting their last looks at the space station complex.

SANDRA MAGNUS, SHUTTLE MISSION SPECIALIST: We've got more transfer and logistic supplies to send the station than we ever had on any other mission. We are very, very busy in training. It's a very challenging mission.

ZARRELLA: You represent thousands of workers for 30 years who have poured their, you know, heart and soul into these vehicles.

DOUG HURLEY, SHUTTLE PILOT: That's exactly right.

ZARRELLA: And you guys are representing them on the final flight.

HURLEY: It is -- and I think that's where I feel the most pressure to be able to represent them the way they deserve to be represented. And finish out the program on a high note with a successful mission. And then be able to thank them all afterwards, ideally.

ZARRELLA: Would you stay the shuttle program has been a success?

HURLEY: I think at times it is the -- hate to use a cliche, but it sometimes has been the Rodney Dangerfield of the space program over the years. But it's just the amount of payload it can take to orbit, the amount of payload it can bring back. Seven people on top of that, you know?

You know, where else have we seen that in the space program?

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MALVEAUX: I like that, John, Rodney Dangerfield of the space program.

Tell us, are there any kind of commemorative things that are being brought on the shuttle to celebrate the last historic flight?

ZARRELLA: Oh, yes, absolutely. They are, in fact, bringing up commemorative pins, and they are bringing up some bookmarks and commemorative patches. And all of these space-flown items are going to be distributed to schools across the country.

So, that's pretty neat. That's a pretty cool thing -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Pretty cool stuff. All right. Thanks. Hopefully we'll see you there.

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MALVEAUX: CNN plans special coverage of tomorrow morning's launch of Atlantis from the Kennedy Space Center. Our coverage of the last shuttle flight, it begins at 10:00 a.m. Eastern. The launch is scheduled for 11:26.

Well, a new jobs report has the markets buzzing. We're going to break it down from the New York Stock Exchange. That, up next.

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MALVEAUX: We've got three great stories. Only one of them is going to air in the next hour. "Choose the News" you would like to see. Here are your choices.

First, a disabled veteran in the Iraq War encourages other wounded vets to become active and physically fit. One of their first challenges, skydiving.

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And third, Japan's aggressive young women are driving a new fad in sushi. We're not talking about raw fish. It's sushi made with raw meat. And the women are called "Carnivore Girls."

You can vote by texting 22360. Vote "1" for "Injured Vets Skydive"; "2" for "Russian Radio in D.C.'; or "3," "Japan's Carnivore Girls."

The winning story is going to air in the next hour.

Well, there's a new jobs report that has some good news for the economy and for the Obama administration. Figures show 157,000 private sector jobs were added in June. That is doubling the projections.

So I want to go to our Alison Kosik. She is at New York Stock Exchange.

Alison, a lot of people, they want good news, they hear good news. How significant is this report?

ALISON KOSIK, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: You know, this report comes in as really encouraging, Suzanne. And we are seeing an immediate reaction right here on Wall Street.

If you look at the Dow, it's up 80 points. The Nasdaq, higher by 32.

And Wall Street is really looking at this report because it's an important one, because we were really thrown a curveball in May, when the private sector only added 36,000 jobs. It was a huge disappointment after looking at how the earlier part of the year did.

If you take a look, businesses had added 200,000, a little more than 200,000, for a few consistent months there for a while. So, then it was a big disappointment in May to see that only 36,000 -- that only 36,000 private sector jobs were added.

So, another encouraging part of this report, Suzanne, is that small businesses are doing most of the hiring. You really want to see hiring there, because small business accounts for two-thirds of all the jobs here in the U.S. -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: You know, the most important jobs report is out tomorrow. That comes out tomorrow. So does this raise the bar for tomorrow's report?

KOSIK: I'm seeing a lot of optimism here on Wall Street. You know, before this report came out, the expectations were anywhere from 80,000 to 120,000 jobs would be added to the economy. That is, of course, referring to the government jobs report.

Now I'm seeing that go up just a little bit. There's just more optimism after this ADP report. You know, I think what it's doing is it's calming nerves and raising expectations for the big government jobs report coming out tomorrow -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: All right, we're going to be watching for that tomorrow. Thanks, Alison.

Casey Anthony does not get her walking papers today. She is ordered back to jail by the judge. I'm going to talk to two defense attorneys about the latest twist in this ever-surprising case.

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MALVEAUX: Here's a rundown on some of the stories that we are working on.

Next, Casey Anthony gets the maximum for lying to police, but she won't be in jail for long.

Then, al Qaeda attempts a comeback as the U.S. pulls troops from Afghanistan.

And in 20 minute, a woman watches as her husband is mauled to death by a grizzly in Yellowstone National Park.

It's not exactly clear how much longer Casey Anthony will remain behind bars, but one thing is clear, Judge Belvin Perry gave the Florida woman the maximum sentence possible for four counts of lying to police in connection with the death of her daughter.

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JUDGE BELVIN PERRY, ORANGE COUNTY CIRCUIT COURT: I will sentence you to one year in the Orange County Jail, imposing a $1,000 fine on each count. All four counts to run consecutive to each other, giving you credit for the time that you have previously served.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

MALVEAUX: So that sentencing surprised a lot of people. We are joined by two legal experts, defense attorney and former prosecutor Holly Hughes. She's here with me in Atlanta. And criminal defense attorney Richard Herman joins us from Las Vegas.

So, what happened today? Richard, I'll start with you. Is it what you expected?

RICHARD HERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: It pretty much, I don't know, kind of what I expected. I'm sure the judge is taking vengeance out on her right now. But I think what you left out of that clip was, now we're going to speak to the Bureau of Prisons to calculate her time. And since I was so stellar in my prediction of the outcome of the verdict, and I'm in Las Vegas, I'm going to double down and say this -- I think she's going to be released today when they get those results in.

When you are arrested for seven crimes and you go to prison, you begin to get credit for each day you're in prison. She's getting credit now for 900 days in prison. Those misdemeanor counts are one year maximum sentences. She's already maxed out on all four of those. It's irrelevant today that the judge stacked the sentence. I really believe, when Bureau of Prisons gets together with them today, she is going to be released this afternoon.

MALVEAUX: Holly, what do you -- do you think that's true? And why do you suppose the judge actually made that decision to throw four years at her? The maximum.

HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY/FORMER PROSECUTOR: Well, I think what he did was, he looked at what she lied about. Let's look at the basis of the statements that she was charged for lying. This is -- you know, we have false info to a police officer. Basically that's when you get pulled over and you know you've got warrants out on you, so you give them a fake name. That's pretty much what we see the charge for.

But in this particular instance, this is a whopper of a lie. And the judge said in the sentencing, OK, when you told this lie, did the police have to go out and investigate? And then when you told this lie, did they then have to expand more resources and go out and investigate?

So when she lied to the police, what she was doing was obstructing the investigation. They all thought they were looking for a live child. And based on that, he gave her the max.

And this is a tough judge. You remember birdman, the guy they caught in the courtroom flipping off Jeff Ashton the other day, he gave him six days for that stunt. So, you know, we know he's a harsh sentencer and we know he's going to give them what he feels is appropriate. And here, given the severity of what actually underlies those counts, it doesn't surprise me.

MALVEAUX: OK, Holly, Richard, I want you guys to stay with me. I understand that Karen Levy (ph) is coming out. She is going to deliver the news about just how much time Casey Anthony will be in jail behind bars out of that four-year sentence that was -- let's go to it.

KAREN LEVY: The defendant was given credit for 1,043 days and her release date is July 13, 2011. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you explain how it was calculated, Karen, because 1,043 and the four year sentence doesn't add up to just being release next week? Is there a (INAUDIBLE)?

LEVY: Yes. I can tell you that -- let me hesitate by saying, I will release additional information. I did not receive any paperwork at this time. This was a verbal issue. So once I have an explanation of that, I will be happy to provide that to you. But I knew you were all in here waiting, so I went ahead and gave you the date. So as soon as I have any additional information, I'll be happy to e-mail it to you. But the date is July 13, 2011.

Thank you.

MALVEAUX: So, Richard, I want to ask you, so she's not going free today. Next Wednesday, six days from today, July 13th. What was the calculation behind that?

HERMAN: I really think she got credit for each individual perjury count from the date she was first incarcerated. So, roughly speaking, she gets credit for 10.2 months per year. She's already been in three years. And those counts are only one year per.

I'd like to ask Holly, in her entire legal career, has she ever seen a judge stack a misdemeanor sentences like this? Because I never have. I mean the judge went out of his way to slam her with this. But I have never seen misdemeanor convictions stacked four years consecutive. Unbelievable.

HUGHES: I actually have. I've represented an armed robber and, believe it or not, despite his written confession, we actually got it reduced to four misdemeanors. And in that instance, she stacked them. So, yes, I've seen it happen once before. And, again, very serious case. I mean I'm not making light of that. But, by the way, Richard, you did hear me accept your bet, right, so you now owe me money. You heard that, right?

HERMAN: Come on, I was close enough. I was only six days off. Come on.

HUGHES: Oh, no, I took that bet. So, you know, pony up.

MALVEAUX: Richard has not been right on any of this. Why are we even listening --

HERMAN: Six days. So close. And other --

HUGHES: That's why I took the bet, Suzanne, he can't get it right.

HERMAN: Other stations are predicting February.

MALVEAUX: OK, I've got a serious question for you, though.

HUGHES: Yes. MALVEAUX: So what's next for her? Does she owe money to the investigators? Are they going to go after her for money, for time, for all of the wasted effort in trying to find that child?

HERMAN: Yes.

HUGHES: Absolutely. You've got three different agencies pursuing her. Tim Miller, who runs Texas EquuSearch, he's indicated he spent $112,000 looking for the child. They want to recoup that.

HERMAN: No privity (ph).

HUGHES: The state filed a motion this morning seeing to recoup for the cost of all their investigators. And the IRS has already filed a $70,000 lien against her for money she made from selling Caylee's pictures.

MALVEAUX: And, Richard, what about that woman who had the same name as the fictitious nanny? Do you think she's going to get anything?

HERMAN: She's going to get nothing. What's going to happen now that Casey doesn't have to veil herself under her fifth amendment rights, she's going to say, I didn't mean this Zanaida Gonzalez. I was referring to some other fictitious one. But I never met you. I don't know who you are. And I never met to defame you. I never had the intent to do that because I've never met you before in my life. You're not the person I was talking about. And based on that, the civil judge should dismiss that case.

Tim Miller at EquuSearch has no privity with Casey. He never signed any contracts with her. He never made any deals with her. The state, though, they're going to have a hearing in about a month and figure out how much they're going to seek to recoup.

MALVEAUX: OK. All right. Richard, Holly, thank you both for your time. Appreciate it. We'll be watching as all of this unfolds, of course, in six days. That is when she's going to be getting out of jail.

And the question is, what is next for her? Most people agree it's not going to be easy street. Dr. Drew Pinsky of our sister network, HLN, says a healing isn't likely for the Anthony family.

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DR. DREW PINSKY, HOST, HLN'S "DR. DREW": I don't see her going home maybe ever. I mean, I don't see how this family reconciles. There's just so much blood that's been drained out of the system. It's almost impossible to heal something like this.

The other issue is that I think she's physically in harm's way. I've seen -- if you checked YouTube today and look at people's outrage and the kind of incredible fury and frenzy that people are worked up into now, I actually think she's going to have to probably go into hiding for a while. (END VIDEO CLIP)

MALVEAUX: We're going to talk about that with our legal experts Richard Herman and Holly Hughes. They're going to be back with us the next hour to talk about Casey Anthony's future, including all the other lawsuits that she could be facing.

But today's top tips, it's all about tipping -- cab drivers, pet sitters, furniture movers, everybody who deserves a little extra something. Well, how much? Alison Kosik, she's going to break it down for you.

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MALVEAUX: It's time now to cross country for stories our affiliates are covering. First stop, Yellowstone National Park. A grizzly bear attacked a woman, killed -- sorry, killed a man earlier today. He apparently surprised the bear and her cubs and she acted to protect them. It is the first fatal bear attack at Yellowstone in 25 years.

Two Blackhawk helicopters are flying to the aid of people threatened by flooding in Missouri. They are dropping 150 sandbags, each weighing a tons, to support the Sugar Creek Levee outside Waverly.

And talk about outrageous crimes. A group of neighborhood children in Strongsville, Ohio, had their lemonade stand robbed by angry teens wearing hoodies. The take, $13.50.

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DECKLIN WALSH, 11 YEARS OLD: The teenager's car pulls up and so it looks like they're getting money to get out so they can get some. So, we pour some. And then they come out of the car and they threaten to beat us up if we don't give them money.

MAITI WALSH, 4 YEARS OLD: When they said the words, I got scared and I ran and hid behind the tree.

APRIL WALSH, MOTHER: We're not quite sure yet who it is. We're trying to find that out. Donated $20 to pay the kids back and wanted them to let them know that there were good people out there.

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MALVEAUX: Got some breaking news we want share with you.

The British tabloid, "News of the World," we are getting word now that Sunday is going to be the last day that that tabloid is actually published. The last paper is going to be out on Sunday.

This is significant because News Corp, which is the owner of that British tabloid, Rupert Murdoch's media group owning this, has been under investigation for a number of things, but one of them that really has drawn a lot of fire and a lot of questions is over alleged hacking of cell phones, of celebrities, even of a missing teenager who was found dead later.

This is something that the British tabloid has come under fire for weeks and months, but particularly over the last week because of the case of this dead teenager whose cell phone was allegedly hacked.

But again, we are getting worked from the News Corp, that is the owner, Rupert Murdoch's media group which also owns FOX News as well as "The Wall Street Journal," announcing that Sunday will be the last day of publication for the British tabloid "News of the World."

That just in.

We're also covering all thing money. Tipping -- not just for the holiday season, but there are a few folks that you should be giving money to this summer. Alison Kosik, she's here with today's top tips with tipping etiquette.

Alison, that was kind of tough to say.

KOSIK: Yes, well, tipping etiquette is tough anyway, because it's so confusing who to tip and how much. So "Real Simple" magazine has some great advice so you can avoid those -- hmm -- awkward moments.

So let's start with, let's say you're going on vacation. You're at the airport, the advice is always tip the airport skycap $1 to $3 a bag. But if these are larger, bulky items, throw in an extra dollar or two. Same rules for the bellhop who is at the hotel.

And if you use the shuttle bus to get to the long-term parking lot or if you drop off your rental car, give that driver a tip of about $2, but feel free to chip in a bit extra if the driver waits for you or even helps you with your bag.

Also, before you leave the hotel, the advice is gives the housekeeper up to $2 a night if you're at a budget hotel, and $3 to $5 a night if you're staying at a higher-end hotel. But if you're staying for more than a week or you've got a big family, a bigger tip may also be nice.

Also, leave a tip every day instead of at the end of your trip, since the housekeeper may change from day to day -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: All right, what about if somebody is watching your house or dog? Do you tip? Not tip?

KOSIK: OK, so if you've got someone watching Fido while you're away or at work, give the dog walker up to 20 percent of the final bill.

But if it's someone is watching your house for you, "Real Simple" says, you know what? Don't tip. Instead, bring a gift back from the place you visited or offer to watch their place for them. Also, if you have a gardener or a pool cleaner, a good rule of thumb there is about $20 to $50 or the cost of one visit at the end of the summer -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: A lot of people to tip there. All right, good for them.

We have a question for you if whether or not summer camp counselors should get tips, too. So we're going to have that answer right after this quick break.

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MALVEAUX: We're back with Alison Kosik.

Alison, what about when you come to your kids? Do you tip the camp counselors, the sports instructors?

KOSIK: You do. So if your kids are at summer camp, I'm talking day camp or sleep-away camp, the experts at "Real Simple" say, if you can, give up to $10 a week in gratuity. But, you know, some camps have rules against tipping, so check before you hand over the money. And if nothing else, a nice thank-you note will do.

As far as those swimming instructors, those tennis instructors, you're not expected to pay a tip. You're OK, you're already paying them to teach your kids those sports, right, Suzanne?

MALVEAUX: All right. I'm going to pick up my niece from drama camp soon, in a couple weeks, so good advice.

Thank you, Alison.

KOSIK: Tip those counselors.

MALVEAUX: I will. OK.

We're going to take a quick break.

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Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann's first campaign ads hitting the air waves.

Our Jim Acosta, he's part of "The Best Political Team on Television," he joins us live from the Political Desk in Washington.

Jim, tell us about these ads and where they're airing.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Suzanne, this is a pretty important ad buy for the Michele Bachmann campaign. You might think it's a little early to be running ads in Iowa, but they Iowa caucuses are only seven months away, so figure why not?

The Bachmann team is running an ad right now, and I was watching it just a few moments ago on my iPhone. And basically, it talks about her Iowa roots. She was born in Waterloo, Iowa. It is her hometown. Even though she's the congresswoman from Minnesota, she likes to talk about her Iowa roots.

But more importantly, in this ad, Suanne, she talks about the debt ceiling vote that apparently is coming up in Congress, we're going to have to wait and see if it ever does, but Bachmann says she will vote no on raising the debt ceiling. So laying a markers there for the rest of the Republican field, Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: And real quick, Mitt Romney may top most of the polls for Republican presidential candidates, but Tea Party activists say he's not their top choice?

ACOSTA: That's right. I talk to a prominent Tea Party organizer yesterday, Matt Kibbe from Freedomworks, also talked to Tony Perkins over at the Family Research Council. And these are two pillars of the modern-day Republican Party, saying there are still concerns out there among conservative activists about Mitt Romney, despite the fact that he's the frontrunner.

Here's a bit of my interview with Matt Kibbe that I did, he's the president of Freedomworks.

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MATT KIBBE, FREEDOMWORKS: My prediction would be that somebody emerges to fill this vacuum, this hunger for a true fiscal conservative in the race.

ACOSTA: And he doesn't fit that bill.

KIBBE: I don't think he's there.

ACOSTA: You're waiting for a Tea Party savior?

KIBBE: We're not waiting. We're shopping.

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ACOSTA: So, Suzanne, they're not just looking for a Tea Party savior, they say they are shopping for one. And when I asked him yesterday, well, who do you have in mind, the first name that came out of his mouth was Rick Perry. A lot of conservatives out there would like to see the Texas governor jump into this race.

MALVEAUX: All right, Jim Acosta. Thank you, Jim.

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