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Norway's Day of Terror; Amy Winehouse Dead at 27; Debt Discussions: Where Things Stand; Midwife Helps Low-Income Indonesian Mothers; Counting Your Calories; Search for Victims in Norway
Aired July 23, 2011 - 15:00 ET
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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: All right. And be sure to watch more on technology developments every Sunday, 2:00 Eastern time, with that guy right there, Mark Saltzman, joining us in our "Games and Gadgets" segment.
All right, covering the news this hour, recovery crews are still searching for several people missing since yesterday's shooting rampage on that Norwegian island. At least 85 people were killed. It happened at a summer camp attended mostly by young people.
The shooting happened shortly after a massive car bomb went off in Central Oslo, just about 20 miles away. That explosion killed at least seven people. The search continues today for more victims in the rubble of the destroyed buildings.
It's the deadliest single attack in Europe since the Madrid train bombings in 2004.
Let's go straight to Michael Holmes there. He's on that island where that summer camp tragedy happened. So, Michael, what's been happening there today?
MICHAEL HOLMES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, we're actually a -- a few miles from the -- the island, just sort of over there, about four miles away from where I was standing.
This hotel behind me, Fredricka, is being turned into pretty much a -- a crisis center, if you like. The families of -- of the victims of this tragedy have gathered here today. They've met up with their kids. Some have been reunited.
And -- and they're get some counseling as well, and, boy, do they need it after what happened on that island, wouldn't you? Eighty-five people killed on that island, most of them children, of course.
There -- what we have been hearing today, too, some of the kids actually came out and wanted to talk to us and telling absolutely horrific tales of what went on on that island. This guy was firing shots for an hour and a half and had gone quiet for a little while and just start up, the kids absolutely terrified.
Now, in terms of the -- the gunman himself, we -- we know that he's a 32-year-old man. He has -- we -- we've been hearing right wing fundamentalist views, right wing fundamentalist Christian views, anti- Muslim tendencies as well. He -- he actually wrote on the Internet that non-Muslims are in a -- in a especially precarious situation, he said, with regards to being harassed by Islamic youth. He wrote that on the Internet.
He's been interviewed all day today. It's been a difficult interview, the police say. He has been giving some information, but has yet to give his full motivations, Fredricka.
WHITFIELD: And what more are eyewitnesses even saying about what happened during that tragedy at that camp?
HOLMES: You know, one -- one of the things that's come from the police talking to witnesses is this suspicion that perhaps more than one person was involved. They don't know this for sure. They -- in fact, (INAUDIBLE) from the police, the acting police chief was we're not sure if just one person. Based on statements from witnesses, we think or fear that it may be more. Now, there's nothing really hard to go on there, but they are looking into that -- that possibility.
You know, meanwhile, the -- the nation here has just been stunned. This is a very peaceful place, a very tolerant place, and obviously this alleged shooter was not a fan of the -- the tolerant multicultural sort of society that exists here in Norway.
The prime minister spoke a little bit before about what the political dynamic in this country should be getting back to after all of this. Have a listen.
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JENS STOLTENBERG, NORWEGIAN PRIME MINISTER (through translator): (INAUDIBLE).
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HOLMES: Now, of course, Fredricka, you know, we've been talking a lot about the 85 killed on the island just a couple of miles from where I stand now, but it was all -- it all started with that huge car bomb that went off in Oslo, in the city's center. There were seven people killed there, dozens and dozens wounded.
Now, the sad fact of this is that authorities are still searching the damaged buildings and fear there may be more victims inside those buildings. They're of course having the grisly task of finding body parts and -- and trying to work out who's missing and -- and who's dead and who's alive.
WHITFIELD: Yes. Oh, so sad.
All right, thanks so much, Michael Holmes. Appreciate that report.
And now, word out of London, confirmation that multiple Grammy Award- winning singer/songwriter Amy Winehouse is dead. Police in London today responded to a call about a woman found deceased at the singer's apartment. Winehouse was declared dead at the scene.
Alan Duke is on the phone with us now. He's a CNN entertainment producer.
So, Alan, the official word coming from police, confirmation that, yes, she is dead, but we still don't know how she died, right?
ALAN DUKE, CNN ENTERTAINMENT WRITER: Exactly. They're calling it at this early stage unexplained.
What happened, about 4:00 London time today, an ambulance was called to her house after someone found a woman's body. They called the police. The police came there and confirmed it was a dead woman.
Now, police haven't officially released her name, but we've got confirmation from her publicist that she's dead. And they're saying that it was at her apartment in London, unexplained causes so far early in their investigation.
You know it was just less than two months ago that she was in rehab, preparing for a European tour, which she canceled about a month ago after a -- a disastrous performance in Serbia.
WHITFIELD: You know -- and so, Alan, you know, the spokesperson released this statement, Chris Goodman, saying, "Everyone who is involved with Amy is shocked and devastated. Our thoughts are with her family and friends. The family will issue a statement when ready."
They're shocked and devastated, yet publicly -- and we still don't know the exact cause of death -- but, publicly, we have known about her drug and alcohol problems. You mentioned the rehab, just a -- a couple of months ago. Talk to me how people around her, how concerned they were about her addiction, about her experience, about her trying to handle that and her performance.
DUKE: Well, you know, in 2009, her parents went public with their efforts to try to help save their daughter, predicting that she was on the road to destruction if she didn't get any help, if she didn't take the road to recovery. She went into rehab several times. She had, of course, a much publicized arrest and a -- and a broken marriage.
And -- and, again, preparing for her European tour, they put -- she voluntarily went into rehab. We don't know which rehab. It was at a -- it was a British rehabilitation program. She got out in early June and immediately began her tour in Europe, which was supposed to be for 12 cities, but only lasted through Belgrade, Serbia, where she was booed of the stage, obviously slurring and forgetting lyrics and just stumbling around, very, very disastrous performance, and it was the last one that we'll ever see from Amy Winehouse.
WHITFIELD: Alan Duke, thanks so much, CNN's entertainment writer. Appreciate that.
HLN'S Dr. Drew Pinsky is an expert on celebrities and substance abuse and all the problems that go along with it. He's on the phone with us now from Los Angeles.
So, Dr. Drew, again, we don't know the exact cause of death, but immediately people start thinking about her drug and alcohol addiction and all that she's been through, and Alan underscoring there she was in rehab just a couple of months ago. But this death and her journey underscores what message to you about the difficulties that come with having some kind of substance abuse problem?
DR. DREW PINSKY, HLN HOST: Well, it's very simple, that addiction is fatal. I don't care what the specific cause of death was, she has a fatal condition, and if it was secondary or primary, it's all really the natural history of opiate addiction.
And, as Alan told that story, when an opiate addict goes into treatment, opiate addiction takes months to years to treat, and one of the most serious risks in my experience to that recovery for celebrities, and particularly musicians, is they return to their career, they return to the road far to prematurely, and it's absolutely predictable what will happen.
The fact is, you know, a funny thing, people look at these -- these stories and go, oh, addiction treatment doesn't work. The crazy thing about addiction is part of the disease is a disturbance of thinking where the addict themselves convinces themselves they don't need to listen to or do what they're being told to do. And if they simply do the recovery process on a daily basis, just simply do it, they will be fine just the way an -- a diabetic is fine if they take their insulin three times a day.
But, just as with a diabetic, if they don't take their insulin, at addict doesn't do their recovery program, they inevitably, in all cases, will relapse, and when it's opiate addiction, it's a progression to fatality. The prognosis for an opiate addict is worse than the vast majority of cancers.
WHITFIELD: So, Dr. Drew, you say this real disturbance of thinking for the addict, but what about for the people around that addict? She was surrounded by a whole lot of people because of her industry, because of her fame. How much do they play a role in getting that help or helping to enable that problem?
PINSKY: Well, it's a huge problem, and -- and the fact is that these celebrities make a lot of money for a lot of people, and so those folks are very invested in getting them back out into their career as quickly as possible. And they really, just like the general public, don't understand that this something isn't, quote, "fixed" after treatment in 30 days, or 60 days, or even 90 days.
Just like Robert -- Robert Downey is sort of the model for what should happen. You have to go away for a couple of years or you will die. He got that message, he did it, and he returned and now he has a flourishing life and career. That's the way it has to go, and there are unfortunately no short cuts with opiate addiction.
WHITFIELD: Dr. Drew Pinsky, thanks so much for your time.
Again, news, if you're just now joining us, confirmation Amy Winehouse, singer, songwriter, is dead. Her body found in her London apartment, but still unclear, the cause of death. Thanks so much.
All right, turning now to politics in this country, President Barack Obama held a special meeting with Congressional leaders this morning after debt ceiling talks with House Speaker John Boehner derailed yesterday.
Today's meeting lasted just about an hour. Boehner was there, but afterward the White House released a statement calling out Congress, saying it, quote, "should refrain from playing reckless political games with our economy," end quote.
It was a quick meeting. Was anything meaningful actually accomplished? Congressional correspondent Kate Bolduan is with us now, more on this.
So it's interesting because, you know, John Boehner, he had a statement after walking out of the meeting with the president last night, and then he had a conference call following the meeting with the president earlier today. What's going on?
KATE BOLDUAN, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hey there, Fredricka.
We are get some information -- I need to pull this out of my ear. Sorry, Fredricka.
We are getting some information just about what -- what was discussed on that conference call. This is a conference call that Speaker Boehner held with House -- other House Republican leaders, as well as House members this afternoon at 2:00. And, according to an aide familiar with that call, on that call, Speaker Boehner said that right now they are working toward a package that -- working to put together a deal, a package that would cut $3 trillion to $4 trillion, and do that in two steps.
So that is what they're working on at this time, and this really goes along with what we're hearing from my colleague, Brianna Keilar at the White House. She had heard from her sources that Republican leadership there were looking at many scenarios, but most of them involved voting twice to raise the debt ceiling.
We know that President Obama just today reiterated his opposition to voting on any kind of short-term extension, but we're hearing that that from Speaker Boehner on this conference call, according to this aide, is what they're targeting right now.
And also important to note that on the call Speaker Boehner also said that they should -- they -- their goal is to have in the next 24 hours something to show their members. So they obviously are working very diligently on this and they say it's something new and not something based on the McConnell/Reid framework, that fallback plan that we've been talking about so much.
So they are working towards a news -- a new way forward and -- but, of course, we have to wait because we're not sure that Democratic leaders have signed on to this per se, and that would be, of course, an important part of this equation -- Fredricka.
WHITFIELD: All right, we'll check back with you on more details of that. Thanks so much, Kate Bolduan on Capitol Hill.
All right, for the latest on the negotiations, watch "STATE OF THE UNION" tomorrow. Candy Crowley's guest will be U.S. Treasury Secretary Tim Geithner, who has been at the epicenter of the talks from the beginning, 9:00 A.M. Eastern, Sunday morning.
All right, perhaps you're traveling this summer. Well, depending on where you go, you could end up paying some hefty tourism taxes. Taxes on your hotel, your meals, your rental car. The Global Business Travel Association says those taxes can vary by more than 50 percent from city to city.
Here are the three cities with the lowest tourist taxes. Interestingly enough, they're all in Florida. Fort Lauderdale, Fort Myers, West Palm Beach.
Stay tuned after the break for the three states with the highest tourist taxes.
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WHITFIELD: Tourism taxes can make travel expensive, adding to the cost of hotel stays, meals, rental cars, you name it.
Before the break we mentioned the three cities with the lowest tourism taxes. Now we have the three cities with the highest taxes -- Chicago, New York and Seattle.
And in other news we're following, NFL players are spending the weekend looking over proposed labor and revenue sharing plan that would end the four-month lockout. League owners have already approved the deal. They have set a Tuesday deadline for players to do the same in order to preserve the full regular season.
And in Central Oklahoma, several grass fires are burning near the town of Carney. Fire has already consumed hundreds of acres. There are several small farms in the area. Our CNN affiliate KFOR reports the fire threatened several homes and barns as well.
And in New York City, utility crews are dealing with power outages brought on by this extreme heat. With air conditioners cranked to the max, New York's electrical grid is feeling the pressure. New York had 1,700 power outages yesterday, and power has been restored in several areas, but Con Edison is asking customers to try to conserve.
And that is so hard to do, given it is so incredibly and unbearably hot. Jacqui Jeras in the Weather Center. But everyone's got to figure out a way.
JACQUI JERAS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: But there's other things you can do, you know?
WHITFIELD: Yes. JERAS: Like unplug stuff that you're not using and, you know, do your laundry tomorrow or next week.
WHITFIELD: That's true. Hey, I love putting off the laundry. That's not a problem.
JERAS: That's what I'm thinking, right? Don't use the dishwasher. Just let those dishes pile up a little bit.
WHITFIELD: Oh, my goodness.
JERAS: But it is the serious topic, because it is very dangerous. In fact, we've had a number of heat-related fatalities as well as illnesses. Emergency rooms are reporting that the number of patients that they're seeing are up because people are becoming very ill due to this heat, and unfortunately we're not talking about breaks at all for people down here across parts of the south, though it is feeling better near the Upper Midwest and the Northeast, as well as the mid- Atlantic states really feeling the brunt of this.
You mentioned New York City, feeling like, you know, about 105 at this hour, even 107 into Washington, D.C. There's a better grid of it to kind of give you an idea, city by city of just how bad it is. You can't even go to the beach, almost, and cool off this time of the year. You really do need to stay in the air conditioning, if you can all do that.
Nationwide, you can see where that big focus is. We're actually doing a little bit better in places across the Southwest. I mean, Albuquerque is looking at 88; 91 in Denver, but that's even hot if you're exerting yourself in the peak of the heat of the day.
And the other thing to mention, especially in the peak of the heat of the day, is that the air quality in many of these cities is very poor too. So you don't want to go outside for that reason either.
All right, we've been calling this a heat dome. Well, what really is that? Well, basically we've got this dome of high pressure that's stacked way up, thousands of feet, even miles up into the atmosphere, where we have high pressure. And what happens when you have a high pressure system, you think high and dry, sunny and beautiful, right? But high pressure has descending air in it, and when the air descends, it compresses and it heats up.
So when you're near that center of that dome or the center of that high, it stays very, very warm, and you're seeing the worst of it. And that's why we've been seeing hotter temperatures, say, in New York City, than what you've been seeing in Atlanta, Georgia.
A cold front's going to be moving through for tomorrow, so Boston, New York, even Philly is going to feel better, but the mid-Atlantic, southward, still is going to be in the thick of it.
WHITFIELD: Oh, boy.
JERAS: So we've got a long way to go for some folks across parts of the South.
WHITFIELD: And we're not even in August, and August always seems to be the really hot month.
JERAS: I know. Weeks away, the dog days of summer.
WHITFIELD: I know.
All right, Jacqui. Thank you.
JERAS: Sure.
WHITFIELD: All right, an Arizona woman is known to thousands of Indonesians as Mother Robin. Meet her, next.
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WHITFIELD: All right, living through tragedy to make other lives better. that's what our CNN Hero of the Week is doing. Meet Robin Lim.
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ROBIN LIM, COMMUNITY CRUSADER: The moment that a woman falls pregnant in Indonesia, she is 300 times more likely to die in the next 12 months than if she was not pregnant. If you have money, you can get excellent medical services, but the poorest people don't always get the services they need.
In the hospital here, you cannot take your baby home until you paid your bill. Sometimes the mothers wait outside the hospital all day, waiting to get in to feed their baby and to change their baby's diaper.
My name is Robin Lim. I'm a midwife. Most people call me Ebu Robin, because "ebu" means mother.
I've learned about the dangers of motherhood when my own sister, she died as a complication of her third pregnancy. I was just really crushed.
I came to Bali to reinvent my life.
Hi, baby. Hi.
We started a clinic run by Indonesian midwives. We offered prenatal care, birth services.
No matter how poor they are, no matter their race or religion, we teach new graduating classes of midwives how do to a more natural, gentle birth.
The women can stay as long as they want.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE (through translator): Robin helps poor people. She cares about me very much, like my own mother. I'm extremely grateful.
LIM: Each baby, each adult deserves a clean, healthy, loving environment. Those are a human right.
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WHITFIELD: And remember, all of this year's CNN Heroes were chosen from you, the people in your neighborhood who you want recognized. If you want to nominate your hero, just go to CNNHeroes.com.
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WHITFIELD: All right, lots of meetings today in Washington. No weekend for the weary Congressional leaders who must come to a decision -- a decision, rather, on the nation's debt ceiling.
Earlier, they met with President Obama at White House, and we understand House Speaker John Boehner is back on Capitol Hill, holding a conference call with other Republican members.
More on that in just a minute, but let's get you caught up on other top stories.
The death toll rises in Norway, 92 people now dead from yesterday's car bombing in Oslo and shooting rampage that followed. Recovery crews are still searching the waters around an island where a gunman opened fire on young people attending summer camp.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It is important that we stay together and keep strong. We can't let a coward like that stop us. Because going onto an island with only youth and killing them, and they have no way to escape, that's a cowardless (ph) act.
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WHITFIELD: From Britain, word that singer Amy Winehouse was found dead today in her apartment in London. No word yet on the cause of death.
Her struggles with drug and alcohol abuse and mental health issues often made headlines and were the premise of her hit song "Rehab." The Grammy Award-winning singer was just 27.
An Ohio jury has found Anthony Sowell guilty in connection with kidnapping, abuse of corpses and murder of 11 women around Cleveland. The crimes took place between 2007 and 2009. The verdict makes him eligible for the death penalty.
And records are being broken by this latest heat wave. The mid- Atlantic states are bearing the brunt of this searing heat right now where it's killed more than two dozen people across the country.
Temperatures are hitting triple digits again today. It's especially dangerous for people who work outside. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The guys were sweating. It was hitting the beams and just evaporating immediately. So it's -- it's hot.
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WHITFIELD: The temperature at this work site in D.C. registered a mind boggling 133 degrees.
All right, let's get back to one of our big stories of the day, the debt talks in the nation's capital. President Obama met with Congressional leaders at the White House this morning to try to solve the debt ceiling crisis, and the big question is why did the meeting last less than an hour?
Let's bring in Congressional correspondent Kate Bolduan. Kate, what more can you tell us about even the conference calls taking place today?
BOLDUAN: Well, so the -- so the meeting was this morning. It was about 50 minutes, and the readouts that we heard from the meeting at the White House this morning was that it was really a discussion of the urgency to find a path forward.
I will tell you now that speaker -- House Speaker John Boehner, he held a conference call a little while ago with many -- with many of his House Republican members, and on that conference call, Speaker Boehner laid out what he says is the package that they're working towards at this very minute. A package, according to an aide familiar with this call, Speaker Boehner said that he's working on putting together a package of $3 trillion to $4 trillion in cuts, and this would happen in two steps, if you will.
And this really -- this -- this coordinates with what my colleague, Brianna Keilar, is hearing from her sources, that she heard that they were laying out many scenarios, working on many scenarios, but most of them would involve voting on the debt ceiling twice. And, I'll tell you, President Obama, that might be a hard sell because he reiterated his opposition again today, according to a statement from the Press Secretary at the White House, of any short-term. So, we'll have to see how that goes over.
And, of course, if Democratic leaders here in -- on the Hill are also on board with this package that Speaker Boehner says they're working towards.
Interestingly enough, Fredricka, they are clearly feeling the pressure. Speaker Boehner in this call said that they were hoping the goal is to have something to show members by tomorrow and that, of course, then, would try to get the legislative ball rolling then come Monday. So, they're working diligently to try to figure out where they're going to go next.
WHITFIELD: All right. It sounds like they have to work around the clock before tomorrow gets here. All right. Thanks so much, Kate Bolduan, on Capitol Hill. Appreciate that.
And for the latest on the negotiations, watch "STATE OF THE UNION" tomorrow. Candy Crowley's guest will be U.S. Secretary of Treasury Tim Geithner, who has been at the center of the talks from the beginning. That's at 9:00 a.m. Eastern Sunday morning.
Amanda Knox heads back to an Italian court Monday for a critical phase of her appeal. She is the American convicted of killing her college roommate and sentenced to 26 years in prison. I talked with our legal guys earlier today about what's at stake during next week's proceedings.
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RICHARD HERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Her defense experts are claiming that the DNA relied upon for her convictions was either contaminated or unreliable. They're claiming that based on that, her conviction should be overturned, because that was the essence of the evidence against her, and therefore, she should be set free. The problem with that argument is, is that the prosecution's case did not solely rely on DNA. There was other evidence that was presented, which led to her conviction.
So, even if, even if the DNA is struck from the record, she still has a mountain of evidence which convicted her. I don't know if this is going anywhere, it looks like they're bending over backwards to try to give her a break. But I just don't see it happening right now.
WHITFIELD: So, Richard, you're disagreeing with everything that -- I mean, I'm sorry, Avery, you disagree with Richard on everything?
AVERY FRIEDMAN, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Everything. Everything. No, no. Not really.
Look, look, this is a forensic free-for-all going on in a so-called appeal. It's really a second trial. And there is nothing in the trial court that quantifies what part of the evidence resulted in this conviction. So, I'm actually convinced. And I've held this position since the get-go, Fredricka, this case is either going to be radically ratified in terms of a sentence of 26 years, or she may even be acquitted. I mean, we may even see Werner Spitz who we saw in Casey Anthony pop up on this.
WHITFIELD: Really?
FRIEDMAN: It's a free for all in Italy. And I think we're -- not really, but I think we're going to see a substantial reduction or acquittal.
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WHITFIELD: All right, Avery, Richard, you catch our legal guys every Saturday noon Eastern. You never know what they're going to say or how they see it. All right. Straight ahead, the big fat truth about your favorite guilty pleasures and restaurant calorie counts.
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WHITFIELD: All right. Planning on going out to dinner tonight? Well, if you are counting calories, you need to listen up. Researchers at Tufts University say they were shocked at how inaccurate the calorie count information was on a restaurant Web site.
The story from senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen.
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ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Lorien Urban is on a secret mission, and it has to do with what's in this bag. She's a nutrition researcher, and restaurants don't know she's checking up on them.
Back at her lab at Tufts University, Urban grinds up the food, turns it into a powder and analyzes it to find out how many calories there are.
LORIEN URBAN, RESEARCHER, TUFTS UNIVERSITY: The sample we're going to take to actually put in the bomb calorimeter needs to be a representative sample of the entire dish.
COHEN: She found that one in five restaurant dishes has at least 100 calories more than what the restaurant says it does. That means when you look on the restaurant's Web site, you can't always believe what you read.
SUSAN ROBERTS, RESEARCHER, TUFTS UNIVERSITY: One food had more than a thousand calories more than it was supposed to-- more than a thousand more! It was just shocking.
COHEN: Urban and her colleague, Susan Roberts, wrote up their findings in this week's "Journal of the American Medical Association."
ROBERTS: It's enormous. It's enormous. It shouldn't happen.
COHEN: Several restaurants had dishes with a calorie count in the lab higher than what was on the restaurant's Web site, including Chipotle Mexican Grill, where a burrito bowl had 249 more calories. The chicken and gnocchi soup from Olive Garden had 246 more calories. And a chicken dish from Boston Market, 215 more calories.
ROBERTS: I think restaurants have got a lot to answer for here.
COHEN: The National Restaurant Association points out that on average, the calorie counts given by the restaurants are accurate. Chipotle and Olive Garden told us their dishes are hand-prepared and cooked from scratch, which means calories may vary.
Roberts says those extra calories add up. ROBERTS: If you have 100 calories more than you think every day, just 100 calories, that's something like 10 or 15 pounds of extra weight you gain over the course of a year.
COHEN: Ten to fifteen pounds -- and unless you have a lab, you'd never know why.
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WHITFIELD: Our senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen adds when you go out, remember three words: on the side. That way you're in control of what you put on your salad or your baked potato, not the chef.
All right. Terror in Norway. Two separate attacks, dozens dead, how it happened, next.
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WHITFIELD: Breaking news just in right now. Former chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, Army General John Shalikashvili, has died. He was the top military adviser to President Bill Clinton, from 1993 until 1997. He died today at an Army hospital in Tacoma, Washington, from complications following a stroke. Shalikashvili was 75.
In Norway, 92 people are dead in two separate attacks. Some people are still missing.
CNN's Jim Boulden has been talking to survivors and witnesses to the massacre on Utoya Island.
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JIM BOULDEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): As Oslo woke up on Saturday morning, the terrible truth had already been confirmed: more than 80 young people massacred on Utoya Island. A retreat for the Labour Party youth group, 600 to 700 were there for the weekend. There was nowhere to go as the shooter used his machine pistol for two hours, say witnesses.
Throughout the morning, survivors of the island massacre gave harrowing accounts of how they escaped.
ADRIAN PRACON, SURVIVOR: As he was yelling, he was going to kill us all and we all shall die. He pointed his gun at me but didn't pull the trigger. He left and returned maybe an hour later when a few other people have found me and gathered around me. Then people started running around because they didn't know where to run. He finally showed up and shot almost everyone.
BOULDEN: The alleged shooter arrested on the island on Friday also officially linked by police to the terrible bombing in central Oslo. A 32-year-old Norwegian man, the police said they're investigating had his supposed extreme right wing views.
NORWEGIAN POLICE OFFICER: He's a Freemason, this suspect. And based on licenses, police monitoring potentially dangerous group continuously, we cannot provide further details or specifics on this guy. This guy has not been on the police radar, it seems.
BOULDEN: In an early morning press conference, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said he feared he would know some of the young people killed on the island. He visited every year since 1974.
JENS STOLTENBERG, NORWEGIAN PRIME MINISTER (through translator): It is especially heavy when it is people I know. And I know quite a few of those who lost their lives. I know their parents or several others who lost their lives. And this happened in a place where I became politically active and I said earlier today that it was a paradise for youngsters, and yesterday, it turned into hell.
BOULDEN: The prime minister called a meeting of his cabinet Saturday. There were a number of government buildings badly damaged Friday. The prime minister called on all Norwegians to do what they can: to aid those affected by the biggest one day of killing in the country since the Second World War.
Jim Boulden, CNN, Oslo.
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WHITFIELD: A generation defined by technology -- also known as millennials. And there are a few cool things that they are really missing out on. Find out next.
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WHITFIELD: Vinyl records, typewriters and the milk man. Just a few of the things current tech savvy generations or millennials are missing out on. But as it turns out, some millennials are turning back the clock.
Casey Wian takes a look.
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CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Amoeba Records in Hollywood is sort of the anti-iTunes. Rows and rows of CDs, cassettes, 8-tracks and vinyl records, LPs, 45s, even 78s.
(on camera): Why is there a market for this stuff?
RICK FRYSTAK, AMOEBA MUSIC: Because it's a deep, soulful experience. I have seen teenagers that have never see a record before, see one and be absolutely entranced, enthralled, and they want to go and get a collection.
You put a needle on the record, it's mechanical and you don't get that when you're pressing a button on a little digital device. And remember the smell of the cover when you took the cellophane off of the record? Just the smell of the record cover alone was a sensual experience.
WIAN: That's a similar feeling that sold millennial Travis Newton on this typewriter.
TRAVIS NEWTON, WRITER: I bought it to write short stories, poetry. I don't know. There's just something about a typewriter that you can't get like a laptop or an iPad or whatever. It's got -- it's more -- it's a mechanical typewriter. It's got a very physical presence, like you're connected to it.
RUBEN FLORES, U.S. OFFICE MACHINE: What is the best thing about a typewriter? The bell.
WIAN: Repairing typewriters has saved Ruben Flores' 50-year-old office machine business.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Actually, the type writers are keeping us alive.
WIAN: Last Christmas, normally, it's about two a week, at $200 to $600 a piece.
FLORES: We're not going to get wealthy off of this, but we can make a living.
WIAN: Believe it or not, so can Jeff Levicke, a payphone repairman.
JEFF LEVICKE, PAYPHONE REPAIRMAN: The one question that I get probably on a weekly basis is: they still have payphones?
WIAN: More than 1 million pay phones have been retired since 1997, are now mostly in places where people can't afford or don't have access to a cell phone.
LEVICKE: We have no crystal ball, obviously. But amongst our technicians, we estimate four or five years of pretty good coin revenue. But who knows?
JIM PASTO, ROCKVIEW FARMS DISTRIBUTOR: Come on. Let's go. Let's go sell some milk.
WIAN: It's 30 years and counting for milkman Jim Pastor.
PASTOR: People are shocked when they look to the door and they found we still do the old-fashioned milk service.
WIAN: No bottles these days --
PASTOR: That's from the old days. They have up there for decoration.
WIAN: -- but plenty of customers, including millennials, preferring to buy locally produced food.
PASTOR: They want to give the little guy a shot, you know? They want to keep it in the community.
People who order eggs and butter, cheese, yogurt, anything right on the truck and we'll have it right there for him.
WIAN: Pastor delivers the kind of service that he says just might solve some of the millennial generation's challenges.
PASTOR: It's a human touch when people talk to people. And I think with all of the politics in the world -- I'm not a political kind of guy, but I think this country is so divided right now, I think we need -- all need -- everybody needs a milk man.
WIAN: Could it be that simple?
Casey Wian, CNN, Los Angeles.
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WHITFIELD: Interesting.
All right, straight ahead, we're going to show you one of the best videos of the week. Involves a huge burst of water and a car and then later, he was one of the last soldiers drafted in the United States Army, and now, he's preparing for civilian life.
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WHITFIELD: All right, we're back.
Jacqui and I with some strange, wild, funny videos.
JACQUI JERAS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes, viral video. This one is crazy. A lot of heavy rain, this happened in Montreal. And -- I mean, you have seen it 100 times before where the rain floods the street and sewer backs up a little bit.
WHITFIELD: Oh, my goodness. Can you imagine if that was your vehicle? Yes, that's a lot of water, that much backup.
JERAS: I have never seen that much force coming out of a sewer drain before. They had like a foot of rain. This was on Tuesday in Montreal in the downtown area. So, I mean, this affected a whole lot of people.
But can you imagine, one car? Out of all the cars, that one happens to be yours, right?
WHITFIELD: Can you imagine somebody were at that car, you know, putting the key in the door, or hitting the remote, trying to open it up and then, bam, getting hit with that. That is unbelievable. Thankfully, no one was hurt in that.
JERAS: And they said it was the owner that was shooting that. Yes, you're right --
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WHITFIELD: Maybe that was the second or third time that it happened, because you're right, just to be rolling and that just happens to happen.
JERAS: It happened over and over. I mean, this went on and off for quite a while. You actually kind of see little blurbs and all of a sudden, you see that whole -- yes, there it goes, that full back in.
WHITFIELD: So, some folks just want to se that over and over and over again, that is an image that has gone viral and it is unbelievable. A different kind of geyser is happening there. Montreal.
JERAS: Not the one you like.
WHITFIELD: No. All right, Jacqui, we'll see you again. We're going to talk more heat? Heading your way.
JERAS: Yes.
WHITFIELD: All right. See you then.
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WHITFIELD: More than 10,000 people will be out of a job when Borders shuts the doors on its bookstores. Liquidation is expected to start as soon as Friday, pending bankruptcy court approval.
The president of Borders group blames the tough economy and the invention of the e-reader.
CNN's Martin Savidge takes a look at the winds of change in the book industry.
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MARTIN SAVIDGE, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Once upon a time, all books had pages, and were only bought in stores. What a fairy tale.\
Today, we read things called Kindles or Nooks and books are downloaded anywhere, any time.
To see how much things have changed, just peer into John McClure's front window as he runs his publishing company from a spare bedroom.
JOHN MCCLURE, SIGNALMAN PUBLISHING: This is actually a book we published, "Get the Job You Want in IT."
SAVIDGE: He used to go to Borders, then saw the writing on the wall and gave up his IT job to begin a Signalman Publishing. So far, he's published 200 electronic books and seen his business double each year.
MCCLURE: I think publishing is undergoing a huge change not unlike the whole record industry with downloadable music.
SAVIDGE: So, is it the end of paper books? McClure says no. Not even close.
MCCLURE: Just in the last three years, it's literally come to about -- about this point where e-book sales are about on par with the paperback sales.
SAVIDGE (on camera): But you don't think paperbacks are going to go away? MCCLURE: No. I think it's going to level off somewhere in the middle.\
SAVIDGE (voice-over): Marketing research expert Britt Beemer agrees. He points out only 11 percent of readers say they would buy an e- reader.
BRITT BEEMER, MARKETING RESEARCH EXPERT: So, you still have -- 90 percent of Americans are still going to buy a book.
SAVIDGE: Beemer says it would be wrong to think Borders went bust because bookstores are obsolete.
BEEMER: You can't look at Borders to me as a failure of the book industry. You have to look at Borders as a failure of a retail concept.\
SAVIDGE: So if Borders got it wrong, then B&L Books could seem to have got it right.
JAN PACKWOOD, B&L BOOKS: This is romance. This is just regular romance.
SAVIDGE: Jan Packwood has 38,000 books and 4,000 loyal customers. Daughter, Dina (ph), manages the place.
DINA PACKWOOD, B&L BOOKS: We're here! We're here to stay!
SAVIDGE: So far, they've been around 24 years. And despite all the changes in the book business, their readers keep coming back.
Packwood says their secret is something you just can't download.
J. PACKWOOD: Customer service.
SAVIDGE (on camera): Knowing your customers?
J. PACKWOOD: Yes. Being able to build rapport with them, knowing what they read. And also, our customers go way back as far as -- they've grown up in the store. When they were children their mother brought them in. And then they come back and bring their children. It's sort of family like.
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WHITFIELD: And that was Martin Savidge reporting. All right. One of the last men to be drafted into the U.S. Army is getting ready to retire. Command Sergeant Major Jeff Mellinger had worn the uniform for nearly four decades.
Kristin Fisher reports from our affiliate WUSA.
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CSM JEFF MELLINGER, U.S. ARMY: Just because you sign up, doesn't mean you're going to be a good soldier. KRISTIN FISHER, WUSA REPORTER (voice-over): Command Sergeant Major Jeff Mellinger was drafted into the Army back in 1972, during the Vietnam War.
MELLINGER: When I got drafted and went to basic training, it didn't matter how well you performed. You got put in the end of the line because drill sergeant, well, you got drafted, you must be, you know, less than a good soldier.
FISHER: But 39 years later, he's retiring a legend.
LT. COL. JON RICKEY, U.S. ARMY: I call him the greatest warrior to ever live.
CSM MCHPHEARSON, U.S. ARMY: He's a warrior. He's one of my heroes.
FISHER: His hallmark has been helping the Army adapt do change.
RICKEY: He's seen the Army evolve to change. He's able to mentor guys like me and also officers in how we adapt to these changes.
FISHER: Mellinger said he stayed for almost four decades for one reason.
MELLINGER: It's all about the soldiers.
MCPHEARSON: When you die you take two things with you, one is your reputation and his reputation is incredible.
RICKEY: Straight up. It's because of his efforts that we have a lot of soldiers that are living today being returned back to their loved ones.
FISHER: When I asked Mellinger if he was going to miss military life. He said --
MELLINGER: I don't want to say. There's no dumb question, but that was real close. Yes, I'm going to miss terribly. But it's time to go.
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WHITFIELD: The Army says there are at least two other soldiers who were drafted around the same time as Mellinger.
