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Norway Massacre Deaths at 92; Amy Winehouse Dead

Aired July 23, 2011 - 19:00   ET

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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: I'm Don Lemon.

This hour in the CNN NEWSROOM --

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It sounded like -- I couldn't understand really what happened.

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LEMON: A massacre in Norway. A homegrown terrorist kills nearly 100 people, most of them children, gathered at a youth camp. New information this hour about what the suspect is telling police.

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LEMON: And breaking news out of London: singer and long-time drug abuser Amy Winehouse is found dead in her home. This hour, reaction from Hollywood.

And movement in just the last hour on efforts to end the debt crisis. You've heard that phrase a lot in the last few weeks. But what does it mean to you and your personal finances? The answers for you this hour in the CNN NEWSROOM.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I ran around for five minutes, then I started swimming.

REPORTER: Was he shooting at you in the ocean?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, and he missed it.

REPORTER: Were people around you hit?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.

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LEMON: Final moments spent in unimaginable fear. Two attacks in Norway. At least 92 people dead, 85 of them at a youth camp. Seven dead in a bombing in the capital, Oslo.

So far, one man arrested and charged in both of the terrorist attacks. That man identified by local media as Anders Behring Breivik, 32 years old, described as a right winger, a Christian fundamentalist. But police now say they haven't ruled out the possibility that others were involved. The accounts from the youth camp in Utoya Island are chilling. Witnesses say a man showed up in a police uniform. Reportedly, he asked to address the campers and started firing.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There was about 20 to 30 of us trying to swim over. I saw a few of them being shot in the water. And there was a very powerful water -- you could se the water breaking around and could see when the water turned red.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's important that we stay together and keep strong. We can't let a coward like that stop us. Because going on to an island with only youths and killing them, and they have no way to escape -- that's a cowardly act.

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LEMON: Because the camp is run by Norway's ruling Labour Party, investigators believe this attack could have been politically motivated.

The camp attack followed a car bombing outside a government building not far away in Oslo. A witness now says she saw Breivik buy six tons of fertilizer in May. That material can be used to make bombs.

We go more now to CNN's Jim Boulden. He is standing by now for us live in Oslo.

Jim, this is a horrific story. Is the search for more bombing victims still going on there tonight?

JIM BOULDEN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, there isn't necessarily a search for more bombing victims. As you say, seven were confirmed killed in the bombing Friday afternoon. All the focus today really has been out of that island.

Many Norwegians went to bed on Friday thinking that maybe 10 to 12, maybe 15 young people had been killed. And then very early in the morning, it was announced that it was more than 80. And then you had the situation where many people woke up to find the number is beyond 90 -- it's unimaginable.

Even more unimaginable, Don, because they're now realizing, of course, that this perpetrator, alleged perpetrator, is a Norwegian. And in the beginning there was talk it might have been Islamic fundamentalism, that Oslo might have joined the capital cities around the world that had attacks from people from the outside. That they're learning, of course, today even more, that it was attacks from the inside, Don.

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BOULDEN (voice-over): As Oslo woke up on Saturday morning, the terrible truth had already been confirmed: more than 80 young people massacred on Utoya Island. A retreat for the Labour Party youth group, 600 to 700 were there for the weekend. There was nowhere to go as the shooter used his machine pistol for two hours, say witnesses.

Throughout the morning, survivors of the island massacre gave harrowing accounts of how they escaped.

ADRIAN PRACON, SURVIVOR: As he was yelling, he was going to kill you all and we all shall die. He pointed his gun at me but he didn't pull the trigger. He left and returned maybe an hour later when a few other people have found me and gathered around me. And then people started running around because they didn't know where to run. He finally showed up and he shot almost everyone.

BOULDEN: The alleged shooter arrested on the island Friday also officially linked by police to the terrible bombing in central Oslo. A 32-year-old Norwegian man, the police said they're investigating his supposed extreme right wing views.

NORWEGIAN POLICE OFFICER: He's a Freemason, this suspect. And based on licenses, police monitoring potentially dangerous group continuously, we cannot provide further details or specifics on this guy. This guy has not been on the police radar, it seems.

BOULDEN: In an early morning press conference, Prime Minister Jens Stoltenberg said he feared he would know some of the young people killed on the island he visited every year since 1974.

JENS STOLTENBERG, NORWEGIAN PRIME MINISTER (through translator): It is especially heavy when it is people I know. And I know quite a few of those who lost their lives. I know their parents or several others who lost their lives. And this happened in a place where I became politically active and I said earlier today that it was a paradise for youngsters, and yesterday, it turned into hell.

BOULDEN: The prime minister called a meeting of his cabinet Saturday. There were a number of government buildings badly damaged Friday. The prime minister called on all Norwegians to do what they can: to aid those affected by the biggest one day of killing in the country since the Second World War.

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BOULDEN: Now, Don, the lawyer for the accused has gone on local television to say that the man says that his actions were, quote, atrocious but necessary, and will explain all in court on Monday -- Don.

LEMON: Tim Boulden in Oslo, Norway, tonight -- thank you, Tim.

To Washington now where Saturday evening brings a new meeting and possibly new hope for a deal to raise the nation's debt ceiling. Top congressional leaders sat down for talks within the last hour or so, and our Kate Bolduan is standing by at the capital for us.

Kate, what can you tell us about this last meeting? Does it look promising?

KATE BOLDUAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It appears that coming from this meeting, there's no agreement yet. And I will say, as we've been warning all along, it's been a very a fluid situation. So, we'll just leave it at that. No agreement yet.

But, first, we should show viewers. We -- this meeting happened, the congressional leaders that are working towards the compromise since the negotiations between House Speaker John Boehner and President Obama so dramatically broke down just last night. So they came together, this meeting was called. The leaders are sitting down together. And we went in for a photo opportunity, of course, tried our best to get some questions answered.

I think we can show our viewers what we heard and then we can talk about what they worked on after. Listen to this.

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REPORTER: Is there anything you can say to reassure the American public that you will get a deal before the deadline?

REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R-OH), SPEAKER OF THE HOUSE: Nice to see you all.

REPORTER: Thank you.

BOLDUAN: Thank you.

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BOLDUAN: So maybe an uncomfortable silence, but it doesn't necessarily mean they weren't working. We're told by a Democratic congressional source that this meeting was called over a big impasse between these congressional leaders on these now fresh negotiations between them, Don. And the impasse is over, a part this proposal that we've now learned that House Speaker John Boehner is pushing, and it's kind of proposed to some of his members on a conference call earlier today.

This proposal would raise the debt ceiling but would also come with $3 trillion to $4 trillion in cuts but would require a two-step process. And that's where the big impasse is according to Democratic sources, over this two-step process. One source putting it to me pretty clearly, Don, it was rejected in the meeting. This person said neither Reid nor Pelosi nor the president will agree to any deal that does not increase the debt ceiling, the debt limit through 2012.

So, that seems to be the impasse where they are right now. But I will tell you one point, a source says that was agreed on in the room is that they want to reach some agreement before Asian markets open tomorrow.

So, they are actively working. If we take anything away from this afternoon, well, maybe one part of a proposal might be rejected. They are definitely working to try to reach a compromise this evening, Don.

LEMON: Kate Bolduan, thank you very much. Appreciate your reporting.

Coming up in about 10 minutes here on CNN. The debt ceiling debate goes far beyond Washington. How will it affect your bottom line? I'm going to talk with a personal finance expert and get his advice on how you can prepare.

And for the latest on the negotiations, watch "STATE OF THE UNION" tomorrow. Our Candy Crowley's guest will be Treasury Secretary Timothy Geithner who has been at the center of the talks from the very beginning, 9:00 a.m. Eastern, on Sunday -- "STATE OF THE UNION" with Candy Crowley.

Former Joint Chiefs of Staff chairman, General John Shalikashvili has denied of complications from a stroke. Born in Poland, Shalikashvili was the first foreign-born chairman of the Joint Chiefs. He came to the U.S. as a teenager and reportedly learned English from watching John Wayne movies. President Obama today called him a genuine soldier and statesman whose extraordinary life represented the promise of America. The general was 75.

Next, what happened to Grammy winner Amy Winehouse?

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AMY WINEHOUSE, SINGER: My management at the time kind of stepped in and thought they were being the good guys by stepping in and strong- arming me into a rehabilitation center. But I just didn't really need it.

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LEMON: The troubled singer was found dead today in her apartment in London. A live report is coming up.

And 29 people treated at a ballpark due to the intense heat. We'll tell you where and if there's any relief in sight.

A lot of you have been asking for information and sending information on social media. You can reach out to us, Twitter, Facebook, CNN.com/Don, and on Foursquare. The book is called "Transparent," available anywhere books are sold.

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RAJ KOHLI, LONDON POLICE SUPERINTENDENT: I'm aware of reports suggesting that the death is a result of suspected drug overdose. But I would like to re-emphasize that no postmortem examination has yet taken place, and it would be inappropriate to speculate on the cause of death.

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LEMON: Police talking about the death of Amy Winehouse, a gifted singer cursed by addiction problems. He's dead at the age of 27. Police found her inside her apartment in London.

And as you heard, investigators at this point don't know how she died. Winehouse was as well-known for her substance abuse as for her talent.

"SHOWBIZ TONIGHT's" Kareen Wynter joins us now live from Los Angeles.

Kareen, good evening to you. You have been hearing Hollywood express its condolences all afternoon, haven't you?

KAREEN WYNTER, CNN ENTERTAINMENT CORRESPONDENT: Yes. And, Don, as you can imagine, especially with a young singer like this, the entertainment world and really beyond is just stunned over Amy Winehouse's death.

At the popular comic book convention, Comic-Con, it's in San Diego, where a lot of the stars go to promote their movies, we've gotten reaction from many celebs, like actress Vivica A. Fox who -- get this, Don, believe it or not -- we broke the sad news to her in this emotional interview you're about to hear now.

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VIVICA A. FOX, ACTRESS: To kids out there -- you guys, please learn that drugs are not the way out. They may glamorize it, and you may think that is the life of a rock star. But, wow, what an incredible talent lose of Amy Winehouse. Please, please, you guys, say no to drugs. And live, be healthy, happy, and prosperous. And may Amy rest in peace.

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LEMON: And, Don, I can't emphasize enough right now. You heard from the London official off the top. We don't know how the singer died, if drugs played a part.

Sure, she had her very public struggles with alcohol, with addiction, with rehab. But police are cautioning reports floating out there inferring that she could have possibly died from a drug overdose. They say, in fact, they won't know until the autopsy is performed -- Don.

LEMON: Yes, but the realty is, is that she had problems, and that was part of her life. We don't know what happened, but it would be disingenuous not to mention that, especially considering Belgrade just in June, she had to leave the stage because people were booing her.

What are police saying about how she was found? Any information on that?

WYNTER: We do have some information. Her body, again, found earlier today in her London apartment.

And, Don, the circumstances were just absolutely bizarre. We saw video of -- of a covered body being taken out on a stretcher, being placed in a private ambulance. London police say they were called to a home which matched Winehouse's address Saturday afternoon in response to a woman found deceased. That was a call they got.

She was pronounced dead on the scene. And, Don, today, there were reportedly hundreds of people outside the singer's home from fans paying their respects. The police trying to contain the area, you can just imagine the commotion there.

Winehouse, we all know, such a talented singer who became the darling of the U.K. with her 2003 debut album. She really blew up big and became an international star four years later with her second album, "Back to Black." She cleaned up at the 2008 Grammy Awards winning five trophies. There was just so much drama at that time, though, about whether or not Winehouse would show up because of her public problems with drugs and alcohol. She even sang famously about her personal demons in that 2007 hit song. You know what I'm talking about, "Rehab."

Don, I just got of the phone with Neil Portnow. He's the head of the Recording Academy, which produces the Grammys. And he said it's a tremendously sad time for everyone now, also adding Winehouse was a ray of sunshine and rocket that bolted upon the scene from the U.K., and that he hopes she'll be remembered for her music and trials instead of her trials and tribulations.

I don't know. I know you've been playing the video of Winehouse just weeks ago being booed off of that Belgrade stage while she was performing her European tour. She was staggering, stumbling, just a mess on stage. But -- so, that's why so many people, they can't help but associate it perhaps with something else. But we just won't know until that autopsy is done.

And also, her family, we're told, will be issuing a statement sometime tomorrow -- Don.

LEMON: Very sad. One of the talented ones -- so much, you know, with the young pop stars who really can't sing, and it's backed up by computers. She had an amazing, amazing voice and was very talented. It's so sad.

Thank you so much, Kareen Wynter, we appreciate it.

WYNTER: Thanks, Don.

LEMON: So, what do you do to beat the heat? How about standing outside with your hands on an air conditioner instead of inside enjoying it? We'll explain what's going on.

And, Jacqui Jeras has a forecast in just two minutes. Don't go anywhere.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I blame both parties for the stalemate.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: All of the people who are responsible for this are elected to do a job. See, if I did my job like that, I'd be fired.

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LEMON: Tell it. Tell it. Those are some people we talked with this week about the impasse and the debt ceiling negotiations. It seems no one is happy with the lack of progress. You heard them.

The debt clock is ticking away as the debt ceiling crisis continues to be unresolved. We've been hearing how all of this may affect the nation's budget.

But what about your budget? What about your budget? What should you be doing with your personal finances as the uncertainty continues?

So, joining us to talk about you -- what you should be doing, not the lawmakers -- is our personal finance expert, Jordan Goodman.

Jordan, thank you so much for joining us.

JORDAN GOODMAN, PERSONAL FINANCE EXPERT: Great to be with you, Don.

LEMON: You say people should buy gold and silver? Why?

GOODMAN: Well, that's a place that people are going to as a place of safety. If the treasuries aren't going to be really useful for them, gold is the place to go. So you're seeing gold already up to $1,600 an ounce. Silver up to about $40 an ounce. So, that's just telling you how nervous people are with holding treasuries these days.

Yes. And people are really nervous, and they don't have a lot of confidence that lawmakers are going to get things done by the deadline.

So, let's talk about it. It used to be your biggest investment. Now it's a burden for a lot of people -- your home. What about your mortgage? In the days left until the deadline, people should refinance and get a mortgage with a lower rate, can they do it? Do they have enough time?

GOODMAN: Yes. There is time. I mean, we have incredibly low mortgage rates now, about 4.5 percent, something like that. And so, these are not going to last. If we, in fact, do default or get close to it, you're going to see interest rates go up a lot on mortgages.

So you should definitely refinance if you can. There's a Web site that can help people do that -- youcanrefi.com -- that can help get much lower rate. If they're at 5 percent or higher, it will make sense to do.

Another strategy they can use, Don, is what's called equity optimization where they actually refinance into what's called a home equity line of credit, a HELOC, which is at 3.5 percent, something like that. You can pay your mortgage off typically in about five years instead of 30 years on the same level of income you've got today. There's a Web site people can find out about that, truthinequity.com. So, in fact, that is a good thing to take advantage of it right now. The low rates aren't going to last forever.

LEMON: That is amazing if you can, you know, to be able to do that.

I want to ask you another big investment for most people -- 401(k). What should we be doing with your 401(k) if anything right now?

GOODMAN: I wouldn't panic. You know, what happens is people panic at the low -- we're going to go through something similar to what we did three years ago with the Lehman Brothers crisis. And remember the stock market fell very sharply at that time? The people who sold and panicked didn't feel too good about it later because they sold at the low.

So I really wouldn't change the allocations of the 401(k) because of this. But it's going to be a scary time, the next two weeks or so, as we go through this.

LEMON: Hey, I have to ask you, would you invest in real estate or would you put money in the markets?

GOODMAN: I wouldn't put too much in the stock market right now. But I would go into hard assets -- gold, silver. Oil is up to about $100 a barrel. So I would go into those kinds of things. That's what's going to do well as a flight to safety.

But people are going to be worried about what's happening to treasury securities. One place to go are high-quality corporate bonds.

LEMON: OK. I've got to run --

GOODMAN: Exxon and AT&T, and IBM become the new Uncle Sam.

LEMON: Jordan, I have to run, but good advice. We'll put this on our blog, CNN.com/Don. Thanks again to Jordan. Appreciate it.

GOODMAN: Thanks, Don.

LEMON: A new addition at the site of the World Trade Center Memorial and Museum. You may remember this iconic cross which was recovered from the rubble after 9/11. It now has a permanent place at the memorial.

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LEMON: Let's check your headlines right now:

Police in Norway are not ruling out the possibility that more than one person carried out a pair of deadly terror attacks today that killed at least 92 people. Local media are identifying this man as the lone suspect in custody now. His name is Anders Behring Breivik, described as a right wing Christian fundamentalist. Eighty-five people died at a mass shooting in at a youth camp run by the ruling Labour Party. At least seven others died in an earlier car bombing in the capital, Oslo. We're tracking developments this hour from Washington on the debt ceiling talks. Congressional leaders from both parties held a late afternoon meeting trying to forge some sort of a deal. They also met for less than an hour this morning at the White House with President Obama. No deal yet, but they have agreed to reach a compromise in the next 24 hours or so, to avoid disruptions to the world's financial market.

A cross made of steel beams from New York's fallen World Trade Center is now in its permanent new home. It was moved from a church in lower Manhattan to a nearby site where the National September 11th Memorial and Museum will stand. A construction worker discovered the perfectly cross standing upright in the rubble at Ground Zero. It was blessed by a priest before it was moved.

Much of the nation is dealing with this brutal heat wave. And I mean brutal heat wave. Temperatures reached triple digits again today up and down the east coast. And there is little respite from the heat even at the ballpark. At the Philadelphia Phillies' home game against the Chicago Cubs Friday, at least 29 people had to be treated for heat-related problems. Temperatures there had climbed past 100 degrees before 10:00 a.m.

Jacqui Jeras, our meteorologist, joining us from the CNN severe weather center.

Can you imagine?

JACQUI JERAS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: I can't imagine what it would be like to be in a stadium when it's that hot. I will tell you, I know a lot of them across the country have started setting up free water stations to help prevent problems.

My husband and kids were going to the Atlanta Beat-Magicjack Game tonight, world's professional soccer, some of the professional players from the World Cup, are going to be there. I told them to bring the water, you better dress cool, you better make sure you wear a hat to protect you in case you're not in the shade. So, all kinds of things that you can do to try and protect yourself --

LEMON: You're such a mom.

JERAS: Well, you know, I got kids. You got do it. You got to stay safe because people are dying.

More than 30 people have died in this heat. Emergency rooms reporting the number of people they've been seeing is up because people are getting sick. So, we're, you know, starting to get to the point where temperatures are going down and the records are starting to trickle in.

Take a look at some them from today already. Atlantic City, New Jersey, 105. Norfolk, Virginia, 103; 102 in Baltimore. Philly at 101 and 100 in New York City at Central Park.

And that's just the temperature on the thermometer, not to mention the temperature your body is feeling, which is well above that -- and still feeling like plenty of triple digits across the east and central part of the U.S.

We've had some heat relief across the upper Midwest. When is everybody else going to get it? Well, unfortunately, folks in the Southern Plains, not really going to get it so much. In fact, today is the 22nd consecutive day in Dallas that you've had 100 degrees or more. That's the fifth longest stretch of triple digits that you've ever seen.

We've had this big dome of high pressure, this heat dome that's been sitting, and it's finally going to start sink slowly to the South just for the northern tier. So, places like New York City on northward will get a break for tomorrow. At least some people are going to be feeling a little better.

LEMON: Any break, any break.

JERAS: Anything.

LEMON: And, Jacqui, what about this -- what better way to cool off from the heat than with a free air conditioner worth 4,000 bucks?

JERAS: Oh, yes.

LEMON: Contestants at Wisconsin's Lincoln County fair want to take it home. They have to keep at least one hand on the AC unit at all times in order to win it. The contest started Friday morning and will go until the final person is standing. At last word, just four out of the 15 contestants remain. They cannot sit, but they do get a five- minute break every four hours, and if the contest lasts until Monday, organizers may decide on a tiebreaker.

JERAS: They're going to need to use that when they're done.

LEMON: I know. Right? I wonder if they get two smaller ones for $2,000 each. I don't know. All right.

A tragic day in the world of music to tell you about. Singer Amy Winehouse dead at the age of 27. And while it may sound cynical to say that the world saw it coming, there were so many warning signs along the way.

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LEMON: Amy Winehouse in what turned out to be one of her last public performances, stumbling, slurring, that was supposed to be the start of her big European comeback tour in Serbia. Instead she canceled all the shows after that. And now we're left with that as a final image of great but profoundly troubled talent.

Now I want to bring in Maureen O'Connor. She's a staff writer for Gawker.com, a site that's followed Winehouse's ups and downs for years now. And Maureen, we don't know the exact cause of her death, but there were so many warning signs about this issue, at least about the issue of abuse, weren't there? MAUREEN O'CONNOR, STAFF WRITER, GAWKER.COM: Sure. Amy had been hospitalized many times for both drug overdoses and for other - for falling down, for fainting, for things that signaled that even in her 20s she was very medically compromised. She had two - at least two confirmed stints in rehab. Multiple times she said that she was in forms of addiction treatment. Ever since after "Back to Black," her last album in 2006, she pretty much couldn't really hold a job. She had to cancel concerts all the time. She was supposed to be working on music and albums, and it never quite happened.

And for anyone that's known an addict, it felt very almost uncomfortably familiar. This person who is talented and good at things, and yet she just couldn't hold it together. She was arrested five times over the course of the last five years of her life for drug-related charges, for getting into fights and assaults, and it's really sort of the portrait of somebody who bounces back and forth between rehab, between police stations, between toxic relationships in the last few years of her life.

LEMON: And we're showing this video from "The Sun," which supposedly shows her smoking and heating up a pipe there. We can imagine what she would only be smoking if this is indeed true. And just weeks later, days later she ended up in rehab after this video surfaced. Is this how she's going to be remembered? I hope not.

O'CONNOR: You know, I hope not, too, but this, sadly, it was the last five years of her life that she spent more time in the public eye doing things like this than she actually did in the public eye producing music, which I think is a great tragedy. And I guess that's the toll that addiction takes on people. After this incident with the video, actually she was questioned by police under suspicion of using crack cocaine, but actually they ended up not charging her for this because they couldn't - the evidence wasn't just strong enough. But it's sort of that life on the cusp of completely falling apart for a really long time.

LEMON: Yes. Is this a lesson for young people and famous people?

O'CONNOR: You know, I think - we've seen a lot of people sort of - and over the years, all kinds of people from you know, years ago, Kurt Cobain, Jimmy Hendrix and today now we see, for instance, Lindsay Lohan, just back in court this week. She was reprimanded by the judge out of her progress report for her probation. And I think that these examples, it's hard to know whether it's the name that feeds that enables these people or whether we're just seeing what regular, old addiction is but on a global scale, instead of just a handful of family members and loved ones seeing an addict falling apart, whether it's the entire world seeing them all of a sudden.

LEMON: You know what, Maureen, I appreciate your honesty and your candor about this. And I think a lot of people will hopefully - hopefully a lot of people will learn a lesson. Thank you for that. Maureen O'Connor from Gawker.com.

O'CONNOR: Sure. Thanks, Don. LEMON: All right. How does this keep happening? Another group has hacked its way into a sensitive computer network. Our tech expert will tell us about it coming up next.

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LEMON: An international group of computer hackers with the flair for the dramatic. They call themselves Anonymous. This week the group claims it hacked NATO and now is sitting on about a gigabyte of restricted information. Another group affiliated with Anonymous also hacked "The Sun." The paper owned by Rupert Murdoch, who's got plenty of other hacking headaches on his own right now.

Here's what the group did to the front page. Faking a story about Murdoch dying. Anonymous and like-minded groups rely on the faceless, the nameless nature of the internet to get away with their trespasses. But authorities say they know who at least some of them are. This week the FBI arrested 16 alleged members of Anonymous here in the U.S. and another five in Europe. Most of them are charged in the cyber-attack on Paypal in December. Hackers at Paypal, Mastercard and Visa, after those companies cut ties with the whistleblower site WikiLeaks. And of course, Anonymous have become infamous for web videos like these -

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As a wise man once said, an era doesn't became a mistake until you refuse to correct it.

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LEMON: All right. I want to bring in our tech expert now. Daniel Sieberg. Daniel, what do we know about who Anonymous really is?

DANIEL SIEBERG, TECH EXPERT: Well, as you might imagine with a group that calls itself Anonymous, they do not want you to know who they are. In fact, when you look into them a little bit online, there is some information about them. They like to portray themselves as sort of everywhere and nowhere. They're your neighbor. They're a kid down the street. They're a business person. They don't even like to think of themselves as an organization, more of just kind of an idea.

So it's very hard to pin down where these people are and who they are. We do know that they're scattered around the world. They're across the country. But it's hard to know how many people are involved. You know, they even say you can't become part of Anonymous, you just sort of are part of Anonymous. So obviously a very shady, shadowy group that's existing out there in a sort of virtual world.

LEMON: What do they want?

SIEBERG: That's a great question, Don. They want a number of things. I think, first of all, you could certainly say they want openness. They don't like the idea of secrets. You talked about what they did with regards to Wikileaks. They wanted to sort of punish some of the companies that cut off the funding to Wikileaks. So Paypal, a number of credit card companies. They really sort of have this idea of pushing the boundaries with information, getting it out there with people. That's why this NATO attack. They're not happy with what NATO's been doing with certain countries.

And so they've - they've tried to have that sort of approach to what they do. That said, there's a fine line between this sort of civil disobedience and, say, cyber-terrorism. If you're the victim of something like this, you would say it's more of a cyber-terrorism. On the other hand, they like to think that they've got this - what they call hacktivism. So hacking combined with activism. You know, sometimes, they were going against scientology, for example, for a while and that actually got some people on their side because it's a fairly controversial organization. So again, very, very sort of gray area when you talk about what their mission is.

LEMON: Hactivism. It's the first time I've heard that. Hey, listen, so you said they've been going against groups. Do they only go against groups, or do they go against individuals?

SIEBERG: Primarily they go against groups. However, they do occasionally go against certain individuals within these groups. You talked about (INAUDIBLE) going after Sony, occasionally they've gone certain employees within Sony. You've talked about going after credit card companies. You know, but what ends up happening is the way that they sometimes try to shut down these web sites is through something called a denial of service attack.

What that means is they harness the power of thousands if not millions of computers to overwhelm a particular web site with data and with traffic. And they do that by getting control of, say, your computer or my computer, and they've harnessed the power of all of these all at once. And that's not always how they do this. But you could be inadvertently part of one of these attacks. That said, again, they primarily go after these sort of big targets.

LEMON: I remember the malware service attack against Twitter a while back. I've got to ask you this before we're out of time, but what's the book again? Is it the - "The Digital Diet"?

SIEBERG: The book is called "The Digital Diet: The Four-Step Plan to Break your Tech Addiction and Regain Balance in your Life." It's all about trying to manage your technology overload. Something that I've had to deal with over the years. Hopefully, it's sort of a self-help book for people.

LEMON: It's appropriate and you were kind enough to come in. So we want to promote the book for you. Thank you, Daniel Sieberg, we appreciate it.

Steve Harvey has many roles - comedian, radio host, actor, author. But one of his proudest is being a mentor. And in tonight's "Perry's Principles," Harvey tells CNN education contributor Steve Perry that we are in danger of losing an entire generation if we don't turn things around.

(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) STEVE PERRY, CNN EDUCATION CONTRIBUTOR (voice-over): Comedian Steve Harvey believes being a man is no joke.

STEVE HARVEY, STEVE AND MARJORIE HARVEY: Real men respect women. Real men go to work every day. That's what real men do.

PERRY: Since 2009, Harvey's mentoring weekend has welcomed teen boys from single-mom households. It's an all-male event with a heavy dose of tough love.

STEVE HARVEY: We have a program that works. And we give them a snapshot of what manhood is.

PERRY: Harvey's wife, Marjorie, hosts "Girls who Rule the World" to promote self-esteem and leadership.

STEVE HARVEY: Mentoring gives a child what to shoot for. It's a new target. Instead of what they see in their neighborhoods.

MARJORIE HARVEY: And it's also giving the kids to understand about making the right decisions. You have to be accountable.

PERRY: Lessons both Steve and Marjorie learned from their dads.

MARJORIE HARVEY: My father taught me so many lessons. The way a man should treat a woman. The way a father is supposed to be.

STEVE HARVEY: My father was the greatest influence in my life. You got to find somebody to be like, and that's why I - I'm messed up for kids that don't have fathers, man.

PERRY (on camera): What's something that you think people should know about how they can be impactful?

MARJORIE HARVEY: We all have stuff that we deal with, but we can learn from each other.

STEVE HARVEY: We've got to turn these boys around. We're losing a generation here, man. We're spiraling out of control unless we stop it.

PERRY: Steve Perry, Atlanta.

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LEMON: Next on CNN -

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LEMON: It is our breaking news tonight, Grammy winner Amy Winehouse found dead. Reaction from Hollywood, next.

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(MUSIC PLAYING) LEMON: Wow, that's Amy Winehouse singing her hit, "Rehab." Its lyrics carry a sorrowful significance right now. As we reported, London police found the Grammy award winner dead today in her apartment. They don't know how she died at this point, but Winehouse became as well known for her addiction problems as her talent. And CNN entertainment correspondent Shannon Cook joins us now. You know, she was only around for a short time, but I'm wondering how much of an impact did Winehouse have on her industry, Shanon?

SHANON COOK, CNN ENTERTAINMENT REPORTER: Well, you're right, Don, her time in the spotlight was somewhat brief, but it was profound. People were very struck by Winehouse's quirky sense of style. She had the cat eyes, the big beehive, the tattoos, but it was her voice that was really, really captivating. It was a really refreshing voice that harkened back to '60s soul. Really refreshing given how stale the pop scene was at the time. And her high point was most likely the Grammys in 2008, Don, when she took home five awards for her very critically acclaimed album "Back to Black." But sadly, to appear at those Grammys, she actually had to be let out of rehab. So her antics and self-destructive behavior plagued her career every step of the way.

LEMON: Yes. It was interesting, because some people need that extra push of publicity, and so they do things that are outrageous. She didn't need that because she was so talented. It was just a part of her life that she was dealing with, obviously. She was 27 years old, Shanon, and now people are noticing an eerie trend with that age. Is it really a trend or is it lore?

COOK: It's really hard to say, but there's this unofficial thing called the 27 club, which in order to be in this club, you have to die at the age of 27, as a famous musician. You know, Kurt Cobain was 27 when he died. Jimi Hendrix, Janis Joplin, Jim Morrison, and now Amy Winehouse. Of course, some people think there's some cultish connection here. But it's important to realize that many, many musicians have died and they weren't 27 at the time. But you know, perhaps there's something to it. You know, perhaps by the time these young stars reach this age, they're burnt out from all the touring, from the hard living, from the drain of the spotlight. But I think more than likely, it's just coincidence, Don.

LEMON: Yes because there were a number of singers who die at 21, yet there's not a 21 club. I think as some people would like it there to be some significance said that these people died at that age, but I'm not really sure that it is a trend or a curse, as they say.

Twitter is blowing up with celebrities mourning the death of Amy Winehouse, Shanon.

COOK: Absolutely. One of the most heart-felt tweets I would like to share with you came from Kelly Osbourne, who was really good friends with Amy Winehouse. In fact, she actually helped Winehouse enter rehab at one point. She said, "I can't even breathe right now. I'm crying so hard. I just lost one of my best friends. I love you forever, Amy and will never forget the real you." Also, Moby tweeted something quite interesting. The artist Moby - he was actually at the concert in Serbia that Amy Winehouse attended, very recently and she was really drunk on stage. It was quite a disaster. And Moby tweeted that he was sorry that he didn't help her.

Also, Mark Ronsen, who was the producer of Winehouse's "Back to Black" album, he said in a statement, "She was my musical soul mate and like a sister to me. This is one of the saddest days of my life." Don?

LEMON: Yes, Moby saying, "I was there and I wish I had been able to help her. And Mark Ronsen, a very famous producer, and people say, "Oh, well, he made her famous, and he says, "No, I think that I'm in this position because of Amy Winehouse." Shanon Cook, thank you.

COOK: Right.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We don't want to be silenced. We're going to continue to struggle and we're going to continue doing what we do. We want to continue to make the world a better place and we want to continue with our politics. We want to show them that they're not going to shoot us to silence.

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LEMON: We'll have the very latest on those horrific terror attacks in Norway.

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LEMON: Time now for your headlines. One man is in custody for the pair of deadly terrorist attacks today in Norway. Police aren't ruling out the possibility that others are involved. Local media are identifying this man as the lone suspect in custody now. His name is Anders Behring Breivik. Described as a right-wing Christian fundamentalist. 85 people died when a gunman opened fire on a youth camp run by the ruling labor party.

We're tracking developments this hour from Washington on the debt ceiling talks. Congressional leaders from both parties held a late- afternoon meeting, trying to forge some sort of deal. Republicans still want spending cuts, but no tax increases. Democrats still insist higher tax revenues must be part of any deal. Both sides are hoping for a compromise in the next 24 hours.

Police in London are still trying to determine how singer Amy Winehouse died. Her body was found in her London apartment today. The Grammy winner was known for her troubles with drugs and alcohol addiction. She recently cut short her European tour after being incoherent on stage. She reentered rehab only to leave a week later. Winehouse was 27 years old.

CNN founder Ted Turner is being honored for his commitment to philanthropy. He received the Service Legacy Award here in Atlanta from singer Usher's New Look Foundation, which mentors young people. In recent years, Turner has devoted himself to environmental conservation, youth empowerment, and other causes.

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TED TURNER, SERVICE LEGACY AWARD RECIPIENT: I want to thank you from the bottom of my heart for this wonderful, wonderful honor. And I believe service is extremely important and giving back is important and I try and do it in my daily life and to be recognized by this wonderful organization means a lot to me.

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LEMON: congratulations to CNN founder, Ted Turner. We want to tell you that Usher started his New Look Foundation 12 years ago. 500 young people from around the world came to Atlanta this past weekend to attend the conference and awards event.

Good stuff happening and we're glad to report it.

I'm Don Lemon at the CNN world headquarters in Atlanta. I'm going to the see you back here at 10:00 p.m. Eastern with more on the developing news out of Oslo and also more on the death of singer Amy Winehouse and the debt talks that are going on in Washington.

"CNN Presents" is next.