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Michael Jackson's Security Guard Takes the Stand in Conrad Murray's Trial; Fight for Control of Libya; Live Coverage of Conrad Murray Trial; Jackson Employee Describes Death Scene
Aired September 29, 2011 - 12:00 ET
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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Top of the hour. I'm Suzanne Malveaux.
Want to get you up to speed.
Dr. Conrad Murray's manslaughter trial resumed just a couple minutes ago. That's in Los Angeles. Two paramedics who tried to revive Michael Jackson, they are expected to take the stand today. Prosecutors say that Murray gave Jackson a fatal mix of a powerful anesthetic and other drugs.
Jackson's head of security, the man who eventually called paramedics, also likely to take the stand today. He is expected to testify that Murray scrambled to get pills and vials out of Jackson's bedroom before the paramedics arrived.
Well, members of Jackson's family, they are in the courtroom. They have attended the trial each day since it began on Tuesday.
In Italy today, lawyers for American Amanda Knox gave final arguments at her appeals trial. Now, she's expected to address the jury on Saturday, with a verdict perhaps as early as Monday.
Now, Knox and her boyfriend were convicted of slitting her roommate's throat. Prosecutors describe the crime as part satanic ritual, part orgy. Knox and her boyfriend claim that no physical evidence connects them to this crime and the conviction should be overturned.
Dominique Strauss-Kahn, he's the former head of the International Monetary Fund. He went to a Paris police station today to confront an accuser. It is common in police investigations in France to do that.
A journalist says that Strauss-Kahn tried to rape her when she interviewed him back in 2003. Police will now file a report with the judge, who is going to determine whether or not that case proceeds. Now, New York prosecutors dropped sexual assault charges against Strauss-Kahn. That was in August after his accuser's credibility was put in doubt.
Federal authorities have charged a young Massachusetts physics grad in a terror plot. Agents say Rezwan Ferdaus planned to use remote-controlled model airplanes to attack targets in Washington. The models would have been filled with a plastic explosive. (BEGIN VIDEO CLIP)
BRIAN TODD, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Federal authorities say he selected two models, the F-4 Phantom -- this one right here, shown here in this picture provided with the affidavit -- and the F-86 Sabre. These models are about one-tenth the size of the actual aircraft. His targets, according to the charging document, the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol.
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MALVEAUX: The FBI says that it arrested Ferdaus, an American citizen, after a lengthy undercover operation.
Less than an hour ago, the House approved a measure to keep the government running for all of four days. That's right, four days.
The vote came by unanimous consent, meaning that the bill passed because nobody objected. Well, the chamber was practically empty. That is because House members are on break this week. Lawmakers, they will come back on Tuesday. That's when they are expected to fund the government through mid-November.
Well, the number of Americans filing their first unemployment claim is at the lowest level in six months. The Labor Department counts 391,000 applications last week. That is 37,000 fewer than the week before. New claims have been above 400,000 since April. Too high, economists say, to make a dent in the unemployment rate.
A group of Republican senators in Libya today for talks with the country's new political leadership. The delegation, led by Senator John McCain. McCain says the Libyan people have paid an enormous price for freedom. He says their actions have inspired the world.
Food inspectors are fanning out today to make sure that supermarkets have pulled bad cantaloupe. That's right, the melons from a Colorado farm are contaminated with listeria. That is a bacteria and it has killed 13 people.
Seventy-two people have gotten sick across 18 states, and experts think that more folks are going to get sick. It can take three weeks for listeria symptoms to show up.
More now on our lead story, Michael Jackson's doctor on trial for manslaughter.
The third day of Dr. Conrad Murray's trial got under way just a short time ago. Today, we're going to hear more details about the confusion, the chaos the day that Jackson died.
CNN's Ted Rowlands, he is outside the courthouse in Los Angeles.
Ted, give us a preview. Who do we expect to see on the stand to testify today?
TED ROWLANDS, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Suzanne, court started about 15 minutes ago. Roberto Alvarez is on the stand at this hour.
Right now, he's just detailing for the jury his job function and where he was at the time of Jackson's death. Alberto Alvarez is not only the chief security guard for Jackson, but he was the first person other than Murray to walk into that bedroom and see the chaos while Jackson was dying.
And he's a very important witness for the prosecution, because he will testify that when he walked in to that room, he saw Jackson laying there, Murray over him, trying to provide CPR. And Murray, according to Alvarez, told him to collect vials of Propofol and put them in a bag before he was told to call 911.
This is a very important part of the prosecution's case, trying to prove that Murray not only gave Jackson inadequate care by giving him this Propofol, but then tried to cover it up. He is a very key witness.
After he's done, we'll hear from the personal chef. She'll detail what she saw during these chaotic moments. And then we should hear maybe today or early tomorrow from the first responders, the medical folks that arrived on scene from the ambulance and EMT, and then a firefighter.
But very dramatic testimony so far from -- not so far, but expected today from Alvarez. Again, so far, right now all he's done is really detailed his job function, but that should heat up in a matter of minutes.
MALVEAUX: And Ted, we heard emotional testimony yesterday about how Jackson's children were just breaking down as they watched people try to revive him. I imagine that that's probably pretty tough for the family, to sit through that kind of testimony.
Do we expect more of that -- more of the same today?
ROWLANDS: Yes. In fact, every day there has been mention at some point during the proceedings of the kids. And whenever the kids are mentioned, the Jackson family, you can see that, physically, it's just very difficult for them. And for the jurors, too. It just strikes a chord.
They'll show photos of the kids. And today, we're expecting to hear from the personal chef.
When she was called to the room, she made a point of trying to shield the kids from seeing their father laying in this lifeless state. Yesterday, we heard from a personal assistant who said that Paris Jackson, his younger daughter, was balled up, and it was just so heartbreaking to hear all that. The Jackson family, that's the hardest part, they say, to sit through, and you can see it in the courtroom.
MALVEAUX: Ted, Conrad Murray's demeanor, let's talk a little bit about that. What has he been like? Has he displayed any type of emotion, any type of remorse here? ROWLANDS: Well, he takes notes throughout the proceedings. Early on, in the opening statements, he actually broke down and cried a little bit while his lawyer was detailing his relationship with Jackson. But by and large, throughout the proceedings, he doesn't look too much towards the jury.
He'll look at the witness, and he seems to be taking notes. Whether he's doodling or actually taking notes is hard to tell from behind him, but he seems engaged. He, by all means, is listening to everything that each witness is saying.
MALVEAUX: All right, Ted. Well, we'll certainly come back to you and dip in as the events warrant when it heats up there. Thanks again, Ted. Appreciate it.
So here's your chance to "Talk Back" on one of the big stories of the day. Today's question: Is Herman Cain being fair when he says African-Americans were brainwashed?
Carol Costello has more from New York.
Carol, what do we know about this story?
CAROL COSTELLO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's a hot topic today, Suzanne.
Republican presidential contender Herman Cain, he certainly hit a nerve.
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WOLF BLITZER, CNN ANCHOR: Why is the Republican Party basically poison for so many African-Americans?
HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Because many African- Americans have been brainwashed into not being open-minded, not even considering a conservative point of view. I have received some of that same vitriol simply because I am running for the Republican nomination as a conservative. So it's just brainwashing and people not being open-minded, pure and simple.
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COSTELLO: Roland Martin, a CNN political analyst, called Cain's remarks "stupid." It's not that African-Americans reject Republican ideals outright. Many African-Americans are socially conservative. But martin says there hasn't been any real effort on the part of this year's Republican candidates to actually reach out to the black community.
Historically, African-Americans did not fully embrace the Democratic Party until the 1960s, when a Democratic president pushed through the Civil Rights Act. Today, according to James Peterson from Lehigh University, when Republicans talk about cutting things like entitlements and being tough on immigration, African-Americans see a subtle form of racism there. It's a complicated issue. So, the "Talk Back" question for you today: Was Herman Cain fair when he said African-American voters are brainwashed?
Facebook.com/CarolCNN. I'll read your comments later this hour.
MALVEAUX: All right. It sounds like a good discussion, Carol. Thanks.
Here's what's ahead "On the Rundown."
First, four Republican senators travel to Libya. They're meeting with the nation's new leaders.
Also, ruthless killer or innocent victim? Lawyers for American Amanda Knox make a final plea for her freedom in Italy.
Plus, a comedian takes a look at why anyone -- why would anyone want to run for president?
And finally, they've been around for almost a decade, but Apple may soon say goodbye to a pair of popular music players.
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Senator John McCain is in Libya to meet with the National Transitional Council today. He is traveling with Senators Marco Rubio, Lindsey Graham and Mark Kirk.
Meanwhile, a Libyan military spokesman says the council has reliable information that Moammar Gadhafi is hiding in a tribe -- with a tribe located between Niger, Algeria, and southern Libya.
(BEGIN VIDEO CLIP) SEN. JOHN MCCAIN (R), ARIZONA: I think that the people of Libya, the ones that I've talked to, would like to catch him alive. They would like to see him on trial for the horrendous crimes that he has committed.
Every few days they come across another grave, some of them with hundreds of bodies in it. There is no doubt that this guy was hated by the people of Libya, and I think they'd like to see him brought to justice more than they'd like to see him dead.
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MALVEAUX: Meanwhile, Libya's rebels, they're still fighting Gadhafi's troops over control of Sirte. Now, Sirte is home to a powerful tribe loyal to Gadhafi.
CNN's Phil Black, he's joining us live from just outside the town with the latest on that fighting.
Phil, what happened today?
PHIL BLACK, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Suzanne, anti-Gadhafi fighters have moved into positions all around the perimeters of this city. They say they're now surrounded entirely. But today, for a few days now, there h as been a lull in the fighting, and the reason, they say, is that they're trying to give as much of an opportunity as possible for the civilians within the city to get out. And they are leaving.
Hundreds of cars a day filled with families are fleeing this city. And those we've spoken to say they have been without food, water, electricity, all the basics for weeks now. And they would have liked to have left much earlier, but many say they have been threatened by the pro-Gadhafi forces who are still within this city, threatened with violence, and worse, if they were to leave. These people who are leaving say that they believe those pro-Gadhafi forces wanted to use them as human shields.
So, what happens now? Well, the revolutionary fighters at the outskirts of the city must now decide when they're satisfied that enough civilians have left, that as many as possible have gone out, and then they say they will advance and they will try to end this. They're talking about within the next few days, perhaps a week at the most. But it will certainly be a bloody, difficult fight -- Suzanne.
MALVEAUX: And what do we make of the National Transitional Council's comment today that they believe that Gadhafi is probably hiding either in southern Libya, Algeria, or Niger?
BLACK: Well, its certainly possible. It's one of those theories that has been thrown about ever since Tripoli fell and Gadhafi disappeared.
But the National Transitional Council hasn't said why they believe this to be the case, why they now believe that's his likely hiding place. And in the past they've made other claims about knowing where he is or closing in on his location, and none of those claims have proven to be true.
They do say, however, that they believe they also know where two of his sons are. They say that two of his sons are hiding out in each of the remaining strongholds -- Saif al-Islam in Bani Walid, and Watasin (ph) Gadhafi, not far from where we are right now, in Sirte.
And the fighters that you talk to in both of those locations say it's entirely possible they could be there because the opposition they're meeting in those cities is so well organized and so committed, that they believe there must be a senior member of the old regime there. Some of them even claim to have heard Watasin (ph) Gadhafi talking to, rallying, ordering his troops as they fight them within the city of Sirte, itself -- Suzanne.
MALVEAUX: All right. Phil, thank you so much.
And now focusing on the fight for the American presidency, my next guest asks, why would anyone want to be president?
But first, for many Americans money is tight when it comes to their travel budget these days. Right? So how can you visit five great American cities without breaking the bank?
CNN's Chad Myers found out while talking to the founding editor of "Town & Country Travel," Melissa Bradley.
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CHAD MYERS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm going to give you 20 seconds. You're going to give me what you like about the city, and do it with a budget in mind. How about that?
MELISSA BRADLEY, FOUNDING EDITOR, "TOWN & COUNTRY TRAVEL": OK. I'll do my best.
MYERS: All right. Can you do that?
BRADLEY: I can try.
(LAUGHTER)
MYERS: All right. New Orleans?
BRADLEY: New Orleans: great music, great food, after Hurricane Katrina amazing energy. You can volunteer there. It doesn't cost a thing. A memorable experience.
Don't go to Bourbon Street. Go to Frenchmen Street. Clubs there are free, drinks are much cheaper.
MYERS: How about New York City? A little bit more expensive there.
BRADLEY: It can be, but the most exciting thing in New York City right now is the 9/11 Memorial. It's free. The High Line, the new elevated park, amazingly free. There's lots more inexpensive boutiques than there have been before. Foot trucks, the chicest way to eat in New York now.
MYERS: All right. I've got two for you. They're both named Portland -- Maine and Oregon.
BRADLEY: OK. Both historic cities, beautiful harbor towns, incredible access to the outdoors.
Oregon, you've got the Willamette Valley, which is sort of the affordable version of Napa. And Maine, you've got an incredible bay. Both of them focus on local markets, seafood. You can actually go out on the ferry in Casco Bay and see the islands for $7.50.
MYERS: Santa Barbara, California?
BRADLEY: Great outdoors: hiking, surfing, access to amazing beaches, amazing mountains. Easy to find. Bikes to rent for free.
The food is fantastic. There's farmer's markets. There are beach stands with probably the best milkshakes and hot dogs in the country.
MYERS: Washington, D.C.?
BRADLEY: Amazing memorials, monuments. The Smithsonian is free. The Kennedy Center has free performances every single night at 6:00 at the Millennium Stage.
You should be smart about it. Plan in advance, because you can tour the White House or the Capitol if you book in advance. No cost at all, but you've got to pay your taxes.
MYERS: Stop. Your time is up and so is mine. Thank you so much.
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MALVEAUX: Want to dip into the Michael Jackson/Dr. Conrad Murray trial.
This is Alberto Alvarez, who's on the stand. He's taken the stand. He's director of logistics, and he is testifying about the day and the moment that Jackson was discovered dead.
Let's listen in.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: -- people's 19 in the lower left corner.
Is this the stairs as they meet the landing, as you just previously identified in people's 20?
ALBERTO ALVAREZ, MICHAEL JACKON'S DIRECTOR OF LOGISTICS: Yes, sir. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So when you came up on -- let me ask you this. In people's 19, then, would this also be the railing area on the lower left corner where you'd seen Conrad Murray looking down on to the first floor?
ALVAREZ: That is correct, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
I think we can resume with the lights, please, Your Honor, unless --
Can you still see it clearly enough?
ALVAREZ: Yes, I can.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
As you came up then on to this landing area, as you've described, where was Conrad Murray when you first saw him?
ALVAREZ: When I saw him, he was walking in this direction from this area here, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So you've indicated as you look at people's 19, then, looking at the diagram, you would be coming from the right side of the diagram toward the left-side area which is indicated on the diagram as landing?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And let me just ask you about this diagram briefly.
These other areas that are identified to the right, this area identified as "retreat," do you see that?
ALVAREZ: I do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. If one was to proceed from the landing through what is marked "retreat," do they reach a spiral staircase as indicated here on the diagram?
ALVAREZ: That is correct, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And if you were to proceed down through that spiral staircase, would you come out into the kitchen?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
Now, as you come up this diagram -- excuse me, come up these stairs and come to the landing, to the left-most portion of this diagram where these doors are indicated, do you know what room that was? ALVAREZ: I believe that was Mr. Jackson's room.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And you say you believe. You didn't go upstairs very often, did you?
ALVAREZ: No, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. How many times would you say you'd been upstairs prior to June 25, 2009?
ALVAREZ: I would say about two. Two times. And that was to let his hairdresser up.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So that's about two times in approximately six months?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. But it was your understanding that to the left here was Michael Jackson's own personal bedroom?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
MALVEAUX: I want to bring in our legal contributor, Holly Hughes, who joins us, has been watching this.
What do we make of the importance of this witness here? He's the director of logistics, head of logistics.
HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, the really important thing he brings is he is describing the death scene for us, Suzanne. He's talking about, hey, I got this call to just come on up here in a hurry, kind of step it up. He says, initially, they say, "Where are you?" "I'm around the back of the house."
He starts to proceed, and they're like, OK, but hurry up, come around the front quick, which is unusual. I mean, we just heard him say, in all the time I worked there, I had only actually been up to that bedroom twice to let other people in.
So he knows something unusual is going on. What he's able to tell this jury is exactly what all the players are doing.
I mean, Michael Jackson is dead on the floor. And when he gets there, Conrad Murray is standing out in the balcony area, kind of just looking over the balcony.
Now, even if the paramedics are there giving resuscitative aid at this point, wouldn't you, as the private doctor, want to be hovering right there to see what's happening? So this is fantastic. This puts the jury right inside the death scene, and he can tell them where all the players were.
MALVEAUX: Now, I understand in discovery he talks a little bit about the fact that Murray, Conrad Murray, is seen collecting vials or pills or things like that. I imagine that that's probably the kind of thing that he's going to discuss again here on the stand.
HUGHES: Oh, absolutely. You better believe it.
As his testimony progresses, what he's doing is he is giving the jury a walkthrough. He's taking them by the hand and literally saying, not only did I just tell you where everybody was, now I'm going to tell you what everybody was doing. And most importantly, what the defendant in this case was doing.
Instead of being at his patient's side, trying to render aid, he's cleaning up the crime scene, arguably, if he's picking up vials and hiding things. And the jury is going to want to know why.
MALVEAUX: Let's listen in.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did you then terminate your phone call with Michael Amir?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir, I did.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
Where about do you think you were when you actually hung up the phone from Michael Amir, if you know?
ALVAREZ: Well, I was already on the landing, so I must have been in this general area, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And were you walking toward the entrance here that goes into the foyer?
ALVAREZ: That's correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Who proceeded in to the foyer first, Conrad Murray or yourself?
ALVAREZ: Mr. Conrad Murray, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you directly behind him?
ALVAREZ: Yes, I was.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Alvarez, I'm showing you people's 21.
Can we resume with the lights, Your Honor? I have a series of photographs.
Thank you.
Mr. Alvarez, do you see people's 21?
ALVAREZ: Yes, I do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And from this vantage point, then, is this the view from the foyer area looking in to what the diagram reflected as bedroom number two, where Michael Jackson was located? ALVAREZ: That is correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And people's 22, is this essentially the same view, but basically with the photographer having taken now taking steps into the actual bedroom?
ALVAREZ: That is correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And is that the path you took as reflected in people's 21 and 22, that you went in to the foyer and immediately turned into the bedroom?
ALVAREZ: Yes, I did.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what happened when you first walked into the room?
ALVAREZ: When I walked into the room, and I turned towards my right, I observed Mr. Conrad Murray giving chest compressions to Mr. Jackson.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So he had proceeded into the room in front of you?
ALVAREZ: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And evidently, had gone over to where Michael Jackson was located.
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And was giving compressions?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where was Mr. Jackson at this time?
ALVAREZ: He was in the bed, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: As reflected in people's 22, was he on a particular side of the bed?
ALVAREZ: He was. He was further -- to the furthest part of the bed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, so as you look at the bed in people's 22 he was on this far side of the bed?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And was he laying as one normally would with his head in the pillow headboard area and his feet at the feet of the bed?
ALVAREZ: That is correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Describe for us what you personally observed during this time in the bedroom of Michael Jackson's condition.
ALVAREZ: I remember seeing him and he was laying on his back. His head was -
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm sorry, can we get the lights again, your honor? I apologize.
Thank you.
He was laying on the bed which you described as the far side of the bed?
ALVAREZ: Correct. He was laying on his back with his hands extended out. And -
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You indicated extended out to his side with the palms up?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir. And I observed that his eyes were slightly open or open and his mouth was open.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And was he looking straight up At the ceiling? Was he looking in one particular Direction or the other?
ALVAREZ: His face was slightly toward the left.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK and you say the left. That would be toward the foyer area, essentially.
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Now as you came in and saw Conrad Murray giving compressions, or what you describe as compressions, was he using one hand or two hands?
ALVAREZ: He was using one hand, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can you describe for the jury exactly what you saw with that one hand on the bed?
ALVAREZ: He had his hand with his palm open and he was giving chest compressions in this manner.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And you've indicated -- you used your left hand. Is it your recollection it was Conrad Murray's left hand?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, so you have indicated for the record he-- while Michael was on the bed, Conrad Murray used his left hand and pushed down on his chest.
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At some point in time did Conrad Murray indicate that he needed to get him to a hospital or words to that effect?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When was that?
ALVAREZ: When I came in to the room, he said, "Alberto, hurry. We have to take -- get him to a hospital. We have to get an ambulance."
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And after he said that, did Paris and Prince enter the room?
ALVAREZ: Yes. When he said that, I was walking towards the bed and I was reaching for my phone in my pocket. And as I was doing that, Prince and Paris came in behind me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, and did they actually enter the room as reflected in People's 22 or were they still in the foyer area or where were they exactly? If you recall?
ALVAREZ: What I recall is that I was closer -- well, coming in to that location -- that specific area and they were right behind me. And Paris screamed out "Daddy!"
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you heard Paris scream Out "Daddy!" Was she crying?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And was Michael laying on the bed, palms up, looking slightly to the left at that time?
ALVAREZ: Yes, he was.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Would he have been actually looking slightly toward Paris' location?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you at that time escort the children out or indicate to them to go out of the room?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir. Dr. Conrad Murray said, "Hurry! Don't let them see their dad like this. Don't let them se their dad like this." And I proceed to turn around to the children and kind of ushered them out, and said, kids, don't worry, we'll take care of it. Everything is going to be OK. So I walked them out towards the landing area, towards the front door of the suite.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And at that point did you ask Conrad Murray what had happened?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir. When I returned back to the situation, I was approaching the room -- or the bed and I asked Dr. Conrad Murray what happened. And he said he had a reaction. He had a bad reaction. And I was standing at that time, at the foot of the bed. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At some point during this episode, is it fair to say this was all happening very quickly?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At some point during this time period in the room, did you notice something that struck you as unusual regarding a medical device on Michael Jackson's Penis?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir. I recall seeing what appeared to be a plastic bag or some sort of medical device like that and it was on his penis.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And this plastic device on his penis, was tubing attached to that?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did that tubing go to a urine receptacle or urine bag?
ALVAREZ: There was a bag, on it yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know what a condom catheter is?
ALVAREZ: I do now, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You do now? Is that what you said?
ALVAREZ: Yes sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A medical device used so someone can essentially urinate into a bag without moving from a location?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you know what a condom catheter was at that time?
ALVAREZ: No, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At any time -- eventually you called 911 per Conrad Murray's instructions correct?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: At any time prior to calling 911 or after calling 911 did you observe any heart monitor or any type of equipment, monitoring equipment, in that room?
ALVAREZ: No, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you ever see -- do you know what a blood pressure cuff Is?
ALVAREZ: No, sir. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you see anything attached to Michael's arm, like a black band that would be used to monitor someone's blood Pressure?
ALVAREZ: Oh. No, sir, I did not.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you didn't see any type of heart monitor, any type of that equipment anywhere?
ALVAREZ: No, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Double negative.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm sorry. Is it true did you not see any type of heart monitor?
ALVAREZ: That's correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No equipment with lights on it or any type of ventilation equipment?
ALVAREZ: No, sir. The only -- no, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You started to say "The only --"
ALVAREZ: The only thing I do recall seeing was oxygen tubing attached to Mr. Jackson.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And when you said that, you said attached to Mr. Jackson. I think you put your fingers to your nose.
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, so there was some type of tubing -- was that a clear plastic tubing connected to Michael Jackson's nose?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Indicating the nasal area.
ALVAREZ: That's correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, your honor.
(4): Did you see an IV stand?
ALVAREZ: I sure did.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And where was that when you first saw it, if you can remember?
ALVAREZ: Can I use the pointer?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please.
ALVAREZ: It was in this general area, sir, right on the far side of the bed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE OK in People's 22 then you've indicated the far side of the bed in the general area between the bed and the chairs and nightstand. Is that accurate?
ALVAREZ: That is accurate. Showing you people's 23 for identification. Does this people's 23 reflect the general area where you saw the IV stand?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And where was it, as it's reflected in people's 23?
ALVAREZ: It was in this direction, sir, right around here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, in the lower portion of people's 23 near the chair?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And do you see to the side of that what appears to be an oxygen tank?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Did you see that at that time?
ALVAREZ: No, sir. All I saw was the tubing connected.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're not saying it wasn't there. You just don't recall seeing it?
ALVAREZ: I don't recall seeing it, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And do you know what an Ambu bag is?
ALVAREZ: No, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK do you see this device on the floor of people's 23?
ALVAREZ: Oh, yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you see that at that time, or at least did you notice it at that time?
ALVAREZ: I recall seeing it while -- you know, after everything was happening. I do recall seeing the bag.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Was that later on or -
ALVAREZ: I'm not quite sure but I do remember seeing the bag.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Now, these observations you've described as far as what was in the room and the condom catheter on Michael Jackson, these are taking place throughout the episode simultaneously to what's happening?
ALVAREZ: Correct, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So going back to what was physically what happened -- so you kind of indicated to the children to leave the room. Is that accurate?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Conrad Murray then as you're coming back to approach him tells you Michael had a bad reaction.
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he then instruct you to take some vials or do something with some vials?
ALVAREZ: Yes. Well, I was standing at the foot of the bed. He reached over and grabbed a handful of vials and then he reached out to me and said, "Here, put these in a bag".
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Where was Conrad Murray when he did that?
ALVAREZ: He was kneeling down here in this area here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And you've indicated the area to the side of what we've described as the far side of the bed in front of the nightstand. And you said he was kneeling down?
ALVAREZ: Correct. With one knee. He was kneeling with I believe his left knee and then he had his other leg like kind of -
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Whoa. He had his other leg?
ALVAREZ: Well, he didn't have his knee on the floor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Neither knee was on the floor?
ALVAREZ: The left knee was on the floor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And the other knee was not?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And from where did he pick up these vials that he was -
ALVAREZ: He picked them up from this nightstand here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And just to be clear, people's 23, there's this -- there's a wood nightstand directly adjacent to the bed. Correct?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And there's some other type of table to the left side of that nightstand. Correct?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So the location from which Conrad Murray grabbed the vials was the wood nightstand directly next to the bed.
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And did you -- when he -- I'm sorry, what were the exact words he said when he had these vials in his hand and he was reaching them out to you?
ALVAREZ: He said, "Put these in a bag".
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you grab a bag?
ALVAREZ: I did. I looked towards my right and there was a plastic bag sitting on top of a chair. And so I proceeded to get the bag and I opened it and he placed the vials in the bag.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So you held the bag open and he what? Just dropped the vials in there?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir. He reached into the bag and dropped the vials.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And did you then put that bag somewhere?
ALVAREZ: Yes. He proceeded to instruct me -- he said now place that bag in a brown bag and there was a brown bag that was on the side of a chair on the floor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Did he then ask you or tell you to grab another item?
ALVAREZ: Yes, he did.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: What did he tell you?
ALVAREZ: He pointed towards the IV stand -
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK an IV stand, again, was in this general area right there in people's 23 near this chair?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what did he tell you to do?
ALVAREZ: He pointed to a bag and he said, "Now grab that bag and put that in the blue bag".
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And when you say he pointed to a bag, where was this bag and what did it look like?
ALVAREZ: It was on the IV stand and if I'm looking towards -- if I'm Looking at the IV stand, the bag was on the right side of the IV stand.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was it hanging from the IV stand?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir, it was.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you take it off the IV stand?
ALVAREZ: I did.>>
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And what did you do with it?
ALVAREZ: When I took it off, like I said, he instructed me to put it in a blue bag. And so I grabbed the bag and I went and I put it in the blue bag, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Was that all in this general area you've identified in people's 23 to the side of the bed?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir. The chair was more further down to the foot area of the bed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Looking at people's 22, you see the bed. Correct?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The wood nightstand to the side of the bed.
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The other table you identified in the white chair.
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And the oxygen tank
ALVAREZ: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then you indicated the TV stand was in this general area near the white chair. Is that accurate?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And you said there was another chair more toward the foot of the bed. Was that this -- what appears in this picture to be kind of this reddish chair?
ALVAREZ: Um, I believe it was this chair, sir. This one looks more familiar to be there.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Is that -- is that where it was located?
ALVAREZ: No, it was closer to the bed, sir. It was right around this area, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. And show me again where it was when you retrieved the bag from it.
ALVAREZ: Well, the chair was in this general area here, sir. Like right in front of where this red chair is at.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, in front of the red chair.
ALVAREZ: Facing the bed.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm sorry. In front of the red chair. Would it be on the wood floor or on the rug?
ALVAREZ: I don't recall if it was on --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. But it was in this general area at the foot of the bed, generally in front of this red chair.
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think they need to identify the particular chair at issue, which is in a different location. This is a smaller, wooden chair that's in the far left-hand portion of the photograph?
ALVAREZ: That is correct, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And in the photograph, people's 22, as you look at people's 22, it would be this chair directly to the left of the television monitor on this table. Is that accurate?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
And were you able to take a step or so and reach over and grab that bag?
ALVAREZ: I'm sorry, what do you mean, grab that bag?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You said you grabbed a bag from the wood chair, right?
ALVAREZ: No, no, sir -- oh, yes, sir. The bag that I grabbed where he placed the vials?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
ALVAREZ: That was toward -- if I'm looking at the bed, the bag was to my right. So it was -- it was on the far -- on this side, over here, down here. The wooden chair, or the chair was on this side here. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Oh, OK. Let me zoom out. So the wooden chair -- you indicated it was in -- kind of at the foot of the bed in front of the red chair that we've identified. And on this -- on this photograph, where was it? (INAUDIBLE)
ALVAREZ: If I may clarify, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sure.
ALVAREZ: I think I'm a little confused. We're talking about when he placed the -- when I grabbed the bag and he placed the vials.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
ALVAREZ: OK. That chair was on this side down here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. OK.
ALVAREZ: OK? And that's when I turned to my right and I saw the chair. And the plastic bag was sitting on top of that.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So -- because now I'm confused. You were on the far side of the bed over here?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. So --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Just a moment. We need to clarify these terms, "far side" and "down here," et cetera. Go ahead.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You previously said the far side of the bed is the vantage point from looking at the foyer -- if the vantage point is --
SUSANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: You've been listening to Alberto Alvarez, the director of logistics, talking about the immediate scene that he discovered when Michael Jackson was dead and his interaction with the doctor, Conrad Murray.
We're going to take a quick break and after that break we'll get back to our legal analyst, Holly Hughes, to talk a little bit about what this of this means.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK)
MALVEAUX: I want to bring in Holly Hughes to describe for us -- what stood out in your mind here when you listened to this guy talk about the -- actually discovering Michael Jackson and the scene in the bedroom.
HOLLY HUGHES, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Well, what we're doing, again, like we talked about before, is painting a picture for the jury. One of the big things that strikes me is, the prosecution asked a lot of questions about this condom catheter, which is kind of all making us all a little, you know, squeamish. We're thinking to ourselves --
MALVEAUX: Sure.
HUGHES: Is this necessary testimony? Here's the really important point that he's making with that testimony. When you are just going to sleep for 10 minutes, Dr. Murray has, through his attorney, said, well, I only gave him enough to knock him out for 10 minutes, you don't need a catheter, Suzanne because you're -- Suzanne. I'm so sorry. Who am I talking to?
MALVEAUX: That's OK.
HUGHES: You wake yourself up, right? When the body has to go to the bathroom, we all experience this at night, we wake ourselves up, we go and use the bathroom, we come back to bed. The point is, if Dr. Murray thought that Michael Jackson was only going to be knocked out for 10 minutes, he would not have actually put a catheter on this man. A catheter is what we get when we undergo surgery. When we're under this general anesthetic, Propofol, which is the culprit here.
MALVEAUX: Right.
HUGHES: Then we need to have the catheter because we're going to be out for a long time and we're going to be so sedated and so far under that our body will not naturally wake itself up. So that's one of the big things that jumped out at me.
I know folks have been a little squeamish about that --
MALVEAUX: Sure.
HUGHES: But it's necessary because it drives home the point, if this doctor thought that he just gave a little bit of Propofol, why in heaven's name have you attached a catheter to your patient? That's huge.
MALVEAUX: And explain that he talks about the bags and that he's putting these vials and these pills and this TV bag into these separate bags. What is the significance?
HUGHES: The significance of that is, he is sanitizing a crime scene. He's cleaning it up. If there is no wrongdoing on his part, if he is completely innocent in this and he doesn't think he did anything wrong, what he's going to be doing is either attending to his patient, or if his patient has been taken away -- remember this. He first cared for the children.
MALVEAUX: Right.
HUGHES: He first nursed the children. Why not go to them?
MALVEAUX: I want to interrupt here. Let's go back inside. I understand that the testimony is heating up here.
ALVAREZ: Dr. Conrad Murray had the best intentions for Mr. Jackson. So I didn't question his authority at the time. I knew it was a medical emergency, so I proceed to follow Mr. Conrad Murray's instructions.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. What did you think you were -- there were being -- what did you think these items were being packed up for, if anything?
ALVAREZ: I thought we were packing to get him ready to go to the hospital.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: When you removed the saline bag from the IV stand, did you notice anything unusual about that saline bag?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir. I recall that while I was detaching it from the IV stand, the bag was at my eye level, so I was able to notice that there was a bottle inside this -- the bag, this bag.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
And when you removed the saline bag from the IV stand, was this the type of -- well, let me show you people's 25. Zooming in on people's 25 depicting the IV stand in the room. Do you see that this particular IV stand has the hook device on one side with no bag on it, and then a saline bag on the other side?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. When you removed the particular saline bag that you removed, was the other saline bag still hanging from the IV stand?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Were you ever asked to remove that other saline bag?
ALVAREZ: No, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And the one you were asked to remove had a bottle inside of it?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And can you describe what you observed about that bottle or that saline bag that you removed?
ALVAREZ: Well, what I recall is, like I said, it was at my eye level and I was able to notice that at the bottom of the bag there was what appeared to me like a milky white substance, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Was that in the bottle or the bag or could you tell with certainty?
ALVAREZ: I recall seeing it at the bottom of the bag, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
And at an earlier date, earlier than today, did you attempt to draw a picture of the -- kind of the general shape and structure of that bag?
ALVAREZ: Yes, I did.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Can I have a diagram that's previously been shown to the defense counsel? May this be marked people's 27 for identification?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, your honor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're welcome.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, turn on the (INAUDIBLE).
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could we dim the lights, please, your honor?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Sir, showing you what's been marked people's 27, is that your drawing?
ALVAREZ: I'm embarrassed to say, but, yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The top most part of that diagram, this basically a large rectangle, does that represent the actual saline bag itself?
ALVAREZ: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
And then it comes down to the bottom here where the saline bag terminates and you drew this apparatus or this device on the bottom of that saline bag. Is that -- does this drawing accurately depict what you saw?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK.
And when you saw some white substance, does this diagram show where that white substance was?
ALVAREZ: Yes, sir. Can I use my pointer to show?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Please.
ALVAREZ: What I recall is seeing the milky white substance --
MALVEAUX: CNN NEWSROOM will continue after the break with Randi Kaye, live in Los Angeles, outside the Jackson trial.
(COMMERCIAL BREAK) RANDI KAYE, CNN ANCHOR: Hello, everyone. I'm Randi Kaye, reporting live from Los Angeles today. We'd like to return you now to the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray.
