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Domestic Terror Plot Foiled; Piers Morgan to Interview Members of the West Memphis Three; Comedy Troupe of Veterans Touring U.S.; Major League Baseball Finishes Regular Season; Trial of Michael Jackson's Doctor Continues; NYC's Pepper Spraying Officer; Protesters 'Occupy' Wall Street
Aired September 29, 2011 - 16:00 ET
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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: And now, top of the hour, take a look at this.
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BALDWIN: Michael Jackson's bodyguard claims Conrad Murray didn't even know CPR, so what else happened in the moments after the king of pop passed? More testimony today from Los Angeles.
I'm Brooke Baldwin. The news is now.
(voice-over): Foiled. How an accused terrorist with a big plan and a small plane got caught.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You have to think about everything that the terrorists are capable of doing.
BALDWIN: Inside the suspect's plot to target key buildings in Washington.
Plus, they were locked up for nearly two decades, convicted of horrific crimes against children.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hadn't walked in 18-and-a-half years without chains on my feet. So I was literally having to learn to walk again.
Piers Morgan sits down with two of the recently freed West Memphis Three.
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BALDWIN: Welcome back. I'm Brooke Baldwin. Hour two.
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BALDWIN: And an early rally on Wall Street has fizzled, despite two positive reports on the economy today.
Let's go to Carter Evans at the New York Stock Exchange.
Carter, what happened?
CARTER EVANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, it fizzled, and then it bounced back.
First of all, we got some positive economic data today showing that our economy is growing a little faster than expected. That's great news. It's still growing way too slow, but at least better than expected.
The weekly unemployment claims, they also fell significantly. It was great news. It boosted the markets. Then worries about Europe pulled us back, though. In the end of the day, that good news about unemployment claims was enough to pull us higher.
Carter Evans, let's talk about this Bank of America story. We told it last hour.
EVANS: Yes.
BALDWIN: I'm already getting tweets.
So, let me get this straight. If you have a Bank of America debit card and you swipe it once, you swipe it 20 times, whatever, in a month, you're -- how much does it cost me?
EVANS: Five bucks, even if you only use it one time. And this is not a checking account fee. This is in addition to any other fees that you're already being charged. You see, banks are trying to make up for the change in the swipe fee rules. They used to get 44 cents on average for debit swipes. Now they get 21 steps -- 21 cents, so, they're basically trying to make up for those losses right now.
But here's the thing. Banks are really testing out these fees right now. They're trying to see where they can add some revenue, so if you're not happy with them, I definitely think it's a good idea to go ahead and give your bank a call and let them know you don't like paying more just to use your own money. And, by the way, by the way, this applies if you use your debit card and you hit the credit button...
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BALDWIN: I was about to ask you that question.
EVANS: You're still going to get charged a fee.
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BALDWIN: Aha. They got you.
Carter Evans, thank you.
EVANS: Yes.
BALDWIN: Now this:
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I had to learn to use a fork again. I hadn't eaten with a fork in 18-and-a-half years.
PIERS MORGAN, HOST, "PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT": Why?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They don't give you forks in there.
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BALDWIN: What a story this is. These three, they were locked up nearly two decades, convicted of a horrific crime against children. The case of the West Memphis Three grabbed attention all around the world. How are they adapting now to life after their release from prison? Two of them sat down with Piers Morgan. He's going to join me to talk to me about this sit-down interview.
Then, foiled -- how a suspected terrorist with big, big plans was caught with a very small plane.
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BALDWIN: So, for this job, fear of heights not allowed. Engineers rappelling down the Washington Monument. Live pictures. It just shows you how huge those stones are. Those are two people on both sides of this monument.
They're up there here again several days into this whole thing inspecting it because of that earthquake last month stone by stone. And their structural check has given us some pretty amazing views. Again, these are live pictures, blue skies there over Washington. But take a look at these images. This is 500 feet. In fact, I think precisely, it is 555 feet to the top there of the Washington Monument. And that's that gorgeous view. I guess it depends on your perspective, if you don't like heights.
This is the civil engineering team as they're checking every one of those stones. This is one member of the crew obviously with that harness, strapped in tight, being lowered along the structure. National Park Service officials tell us that the team did find loose mortar, grouting, some cracks when they were up there yesterday. They have now completed their exam of the tiptop of it and now they're moving to the sides.
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BILL LINE, SPOKESMAN, NATIONAL PARK SERVICE: The team also did a quick survey of the rest of the monument, but that quick survey was nothing more than a quick survey. They need to continue examining all of the stones at close range.
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BALDWIN: We also did talk to one of these engineers. Keep in mind, there are four of them. Here's what she said about the job.
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EMMA CARDINI, CIVIL ENGINEER: It's incredible, not only because of the actual history of the structure, but the area and being -- the view, and just knowing what you're doing and seeing what you're seeing after the earthquake.
We have the drawings from repair from 1999, so we're noticing right now we have only seen a few -- I have only seen a few extra cracks that weren't there in 1999. But we have only done a small portion of the structure at this point. So there's still a lot to go.
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BALDWIN: Still a lot to go. In fact, we're told it will take weeks to inspect that entire monument stone by stone.
A Massachusetts physics graduate is under arrest today, charged in this terror plot targeting the Pentagon and the U.S. Capitol. And it may seem farfetched, but the FBI says Rezwan Ferdaus planned to use remote-controlled model planes stuffed with C-4 explosives to attack the Pentagon and the Capitol.
He allegedly also planned to have armed gunmen outside waiting to open fire on people who thus would be evacuating those buildings. The planes which are replicas of the F-86 Sabre and the F-4 Phantom are just about six feet long. That's about one-tenth the size of a regular airplane.
Federal agents posing as al Qaeda terrorists nabbed him in this lengthy sting operation. Ferdaus approached him -- them, I should say, last year. Agents say he had a desire to plan a jihad against America. And at one point, this physics grad was supplying the undercover agents with cell phones rigged to act as trigger devices for IEDs to kill U.S. soldiers in Iraq and Afghanistan.
Former Homeland Security Adviser to Bush Fran Townsend says this young man was skilled.
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FRANCES TOWNSEND, CNN NATIONAL SECURITY CONTRIBUTOR: This is a guy what had some technical training and understanding. Not clear -- and I think authorities will want to look at this pretty closely. What drove him? What radicalized him to this view to want to plan this attack?
We heard a lot in the Nidal Hasan case. That was the Fort Hood shooter. He was radicalized over the Internet by Anwar al-Awlaki, an American now in Yemen who is a radical preacher, but we don't know. Was it an Internet-based radicalization? Are there others involved? Had he identified the six? I suspect that the FBI will focus on all those questions now in the immediate aftermath of the arrest.
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BALDWIN: Let's bring in former FBI Assistant Director and CNN contributor Tom Fuentes there in Washington.
And, Tom, I have said it before. I'm going to say it again. You have bombs in underwear to suitcases to cargo to bombs in these model airplanes. Are you surprised by this, this attempt?
TOM FUENTES, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Not really. These kind of attacks with model aircraft have been discussed before. There was a case in 2006, Brooke, that talked about this.
But when you compare this to the underwear bomber, these planes are capable of carrying 50 pounds of cargo or explosive and flying at 100 miles an hour with GPS coordinates plugged into them.
BALDWIN: Wow.
FUENTES: So these are very -- it's a very dangerous device, especially if you flew it into a crowd.
I don't know what damage it would do to the Capitol dome or to the side of the Pentagon if it flew into that. But certainly, if you flew a weapon like that into crowded people, even without the explosive device on there, it could kill a number of people.
BALDWIN: And really, Tom, this is a story of good old-fashioned police work, is it not?
FUENTES: Yes, it is.
It was an undercover operation by the FBI posing as al Qaeda. And they were able to convince this guy that they were. But in reviewing the indictment and the materials associated with it, it's very clear that the FBI and the Department of Justice was concerned to not risk entrapment issues in this case.
So they have a number of recorded conversations for almost a year, where it's clear that this guy wanted to do these attacks. He was initiating all efforts to do it. And with his degree and technical know-how, he was capable of doing that.
And as mentioned, he already had rigged up a number of cell phones to act as IED detonators. So he certainly was capable of doing a lot of damage and killing a number of people.
BALDWIN: Well, we are all glad he was caught. Tom Fuentes in Washington, thank you very much.
FUENTES: Thank you, Brooke.
BALDWIN: And they didn't know what the internet was. Forget how to eat with the fork or walk like you and me. Now, the West Memphis three, they are free, and two of them are talking to this guy, Piers Morgan. He's going to join me next to talk about this sit down interview. Be right back.
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BALDWIN: The West Memphis Three, these three teenagers at the time, convicted of a horrific crime, shocked the nation, really shocked the world just about two decades ago. They were sent to prison, one of them sent to death row for the murders of these three cub scouts whose naked and hogtied bodies were found in a drainage ditch in Arkansas. Prosecutors claimed the boys were killed in a satanic ritual.
But almost from the get go, there were doubts about these three teens ultimately dubbed the West Memphis Three. This case against them was almost entirely circumstantial. Even some of the victims' relatives believed they were wrongly convicted. The West Memphis Three really became a cause celeb, drawing support from a number of actors and writers. New evidence emerged over time, and then just last month came the moment the West Memphis Three had been waiting for.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: My name is Damien Echols and I was released from a crime I did not commit over 18 years ago.
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BALDWIN: Tonight, Piers Morgan has the very first ever sit down interview with two of them, Damien Echols and Jason Baldwin. Piers, I remember when this story finally broke last month. It's riveting and I remember taking notes as I was watching the conference. Damien Echols talked about how he had been in solitary confinement for over a decade. And he said in that moment, just being around people was overwhelming. Amazing.
PIERS MORGAN, HOST, CNN'S "PIERS MORGAN TONIGHT": Yes, it's one of the most powerful interviews I've been involved with and the reason is that these guys, I interviewed two of them, they were both school friends. They've always protested their innocence. The evidence against them in the end boiled down to testimony given by the third guy, Jesse Misskelley.
Now, he had an IQ of 72. He is somebody who never been interrogated the way he was. And the general belief has been that he under huge pressure from the police came up with the load of nonsense, really, which never had any backing to it in terms of evidence. So you have to see these guys are innocent people of these horrific crimes based on the lack of any real evidence at all.
And I talked to Damien at the start for about ten minutes about his life of solitary confinement. It was almost medieval. He was in a tiny eight by eight cell, I think it was concrete bed with a tiny bit of padding. He was fed food through a grill. He wasn't allowed a knife and fork. He had to use his hands for 10 years.
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BALDWIN: We have some of this. This is when he was talking about how he didn't see daylight for 10 years.
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MORGAN: When did you see daylight?
DAMIEN ECHOLS, WEST MEMPHIS THREE: Never. I hadn't seen daylight in almost a decade. I hadn't been exposed to sun light.
MORGAN: In 10 years?
ECHOLS: Yes.
MORGAN: What are you thinking throughout this period? This is for an innocent man, as many believe that you are, and you've always protested this, what are you thinking when you're stuck in there?
ECHOLS: The only thing you can do and maintain your sanity is to not think about the case and what's happening to you. You have to sort of immerse yourself into a routine and never deviate. Work out your own exercise routine, a meditation routine. Start some sort of practice, whether it be art work, writing. You have to create your own world or you'll go insane.
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BALDWIN: Just looking from both of them, how do they even seem? Do they seem they're still adjusting to life?
MORGAN: There were moments when the lights were on Damien's face and you could see him really squinting, because, as he said, no daylight in ten years.
BALDWIN: I can't imagine.
MORGAN: It got worse for both of them. The other boy, Jason Baldwin, for the first five or six years he was systemically beaten up by other prisoners, by other prison guards. They were treated as convicted triple child killers. And life inside for people convicted of those kinds of crimes is appalling. Jason talked incredibly powerfully of having his jaw broken, his nose broken, his back broken, everything.
These guys went through hell and you watch it and just are left with the impression that two guys remarkably lacking in bitterness, incredibly candid. They've always protested their innocence, and I don't think you can watch their interview tonight and not draw the same conclusion most people have, which is that this was a terrible miscarriage of justice.
BALDWIN: I remember that day when Jason was talking, he was saying he almost didn't take the legal maneuvering, what was called but he did just to make sure he could save his friend's life, Damien's life.
We have one more piece of sound I want to share this. This is when you're talking to Damien about using a fork again. Let's watch.
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MORGAN: What are the things that you've had to learn again about real life, simple things?
ECHOLS: Well, there are things that most people would expect you to have to learn. Like I said, I had never seen the internet, so I'm having to learn how to use a cell phone, a computer. But there are also things, for example, I hadn't walked in 18 and a half years without chains on my feet. I wasn't used to that, so I was literally having to learn to walk again and the first few days, I would almost keep falling over myself because I was used to walking with short strides with chains. I had to learn to use a fork again.
MORGAN: Why?
ECHOLS: They don't give you forks.
MORGAN: How do you eat?
ECHOLS: With your hands.
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BALDWIN: With your hand. And to remind everyone, they're not exonerated.
MORGAN: Under this ridiculous, perverse part of American law that relates to people in their position, in the end they had to continue to plead guilt -- they had to plead guilty, but continue to maintain their innocence, so they walk free, but as far as the state law is concerned down there, they are not proclaimed innocent. That was the only way they could get out.
As you said there, Jason made a big sacrifice because he could have got out earlier I think, but he always refused to do that if it meant his other friend Damien would go to the chair. It brings in the whole debate about a death penalty. It could have been that Damien Echols would be executed. He had an execution date and it came and went, but he could have died that day for a crime he almost certainly didn't commit.
It is harrowing but also inspiring about power of the human spirit. These guys through went stuff in our worst nightmares, and yet they come across at eloquent, they're intelligent. It's moving stuff.
BALDWIN: It's an incredible story and I cannot wait to watch it. They're going to recount some of the life, 18-and-a-half years behind bars. Watch Piers Morgan tonight 9:00 eastern. Piers, thank you very much.
MORGAN: Brooke, thanks, as always.
BALDWIN: Thank you.
Now, this.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Comedy saved my life quite literally.
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BALDWIN: These GIs had been to war. They had been shot at, lost close buddies, yet they're still laughing and they want you to laugh right along with them.
And these people keep protesting. Demonstrations against cronyism on Wall Street expanding now. We're going to go live to New York with the protests now in day 13. Be right back.
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BALDWIN: They have served their country in the military. Now they say they're serving up one laugh at a time. Barbara Starr had a wonderful time outside the walls of her normal post of the Pentagon and on the road with the GIs of comedy.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I got in trouble so much I thought (EXPLETIVE) private was a rank. Anytime I heard my name it was (EXPLETIVE) private.
BARBARA STARR, PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: These are the GIs of Comedy, all veterans, and, as they like to say, still serving the country, one joke at a time. We sat down the talk at the famed Hollywood improve club where they have performed. Former staff sergeant Thom Tran started the group.
STAFF SGT. THOM TRAN, U.S. ARMY (RET.): I wanted to get a group of guys together, all professional comedians who served in the military.
STARR: Meet the man named G.
G. REILLY, FORMER NAVY SIGNALMAN, FIRST CLASS: G, no period, last name Reilly, signalmen, second class.
STARR: Now, full time comedians, sharing the laughter borne of observations of military life.
TOM IRWIN, FORMER PFC., U.S. ARMY: My staff sergeant pulled me out and sent me for psychiatric evaluation because he said you never stop laughing. He said you don't take anything seriously and there's something wrong with you, boy.
STARR: Air force major Jose Sarduy saw some oddities in Iraq.
MAJ. JOSE SARDUY, U.S. AIR FORCE RESERVES: We would land and I'm a cargo guy, wow, it sucks here. All right, we'll see you guys.
STARR: All the guys say they saw the world somewhat differently even as children.
SARDUY: I came from a very funny family. We were deported from Cuba as a kid.
TRAN: Deported from Cuba.
SARDUY: That's right.
TRAN: From Cuba. SARDUY: My dad was a political prisoner. He protested communism and he went to jail.
TRAN: I know what you're thinking to yourself. You're thinking there is six billion Chinese people on the planet who have never seen one with a guitar.
STARR: Tom's family were refugees from Vietnam. His father was a political prisoner. But one day in Iraq the laughter stopped.
TRAN: I got shot in the back of the head. I remember thinking damn it, this morning, this uniform was clean. I haven't taken a shower in three weeks. This is going to suck.
STARR: Thom stayed in Iraq and suppressed it all.
TRAN: And all that fear and anxiety built up until I came home and I snapped. And PTSD set in like -- my roommate got killed before I came home. So comedy saved by life quite literally. Kevlar, helmet, whatever. Comedy saved my life.
STARR: And now, a brotherhood off tears and laughter.
TRAN: We're beyond friends, we're brothers.
Barbara Starr, CNN, Los Angeles.
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BALDWIN: Barbara Starr, thank you for that.
Coming up, space nerd alert -- images taken by the International Space Station. Check them out. How did these gorgeous colors from? The answer, Reporter Roulette, next.
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BALDWIN: A government shutdown averted and an amazing scene in space. Time to play Reporter Roulette with Athena Jones. Let's begin with you on Capitol Hill. What's the news today?
ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: This morning, the House met in a special pro-forma session and took just a few minutes to approve a measure that will keep the government from shutting down. This will fund the government until Tuesday, October 4th.
BALDWIN: So, for how long dare I ask?
JONES: Exactly. The House is not in session, which is why they held this session. It only requires a few members to be present. There were three on the floor today. Less than five minutes a session. The House is back in session next week and they'll have to then approve a longer short-term resolution funding the government through November 18th. So what they're really doing is just putting a stamp of approval, but it's still just a Band-aid that gets us through so that people can then debate the longer measure. BALDWIN: OK, a longer short-term measure. Got it.
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JONES: Exactly.
BALDWIN: Athena Jones, thank you very much, live for us on the Hill.
Next on Reporter Roulette, some spectacular images of the aurora Australia, or the southern lights, as seen from the International Space Station. Alexandria Steele with us today. Nice to have you on. Beautiful pictures. What is this? And how does it happen?
ALEXANDRA STEELE, METEOROLOGIST: There's the sun and on the sun, there are sun spots. And emanating from these sun spots are something called solar flares. Think of the power of these solar flares. If you were holding like a slippery watermelon seed and you were to squeeze it, it shoots. Those flares shoot out incredibly fast. Now, charged particles from these collide are atoms from our atmosphere. They are moving forward on what's called a solar wind. Notice there are two colors, yellow and green and red.
BALDWIN: How come?
STEELE: I'm about to get to that. These charged particles come into our atmosphere and then atoms in our atmosphere, be it hydrogen, nitrogen or oxygen, when they collide, they create different colors, so as they come in and move into our atmosphere with oxygen, they charge and you see a green band. That's really the most common, but if they come and collide with nitrogen, there becomes this red band. So you can kind of see both here. Now, this is the southern atmosphere. So essentially, it's the same game in different parts of the world.
BALDWIN: These are the pictures. There it is. Very cool. I like a woman who can talk hydrogen and oxygen.
And that is Reporter Roulette here for this Thursday.
Coming up, court is back in session in Los Angeles. We're going to go to the trial of Dr. Conrad Murray after they get going again after lunch recess and the questioning of Michael Jackson's bodyguard.
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JAY CARNEY, WHITE HOUSE PRESS SECRETARY: It's a sad day.
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STEELE: Oh, why so glum, Mr. Jay Carney? Does it have a little to do with the funding bill? No. Libya? We know why Jay Carney is so upset. Three words for you -- Boston Red Sox.
But first, all about some girl power. The top five most powerful women in business according to "Fortune" magazine, coming in at number five, Angela Braly, CEO of insurance giant WellPoint, number four, Ellen Kullman, CEO of DuPont, three, Patricia Woertz, CEO of Archer Daniels Midland, a company that processes seeds, corn, wheat. Who are the top two ladies? After the break.
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BALDWIN: Who are the most powerful women in business? "Fortune" magazine says the second most powerful, Indra Nooyi CEO of Pepsi company. And the most powerful businesswoman Irene Rosenfeld, CEO of Kraft Foods.
The agony of defeat, nothing is worse for a sports fan, especially an outspoken one like White House press secretary Jay Carney, whose team, the Boston Red Sox, out and did not at all make the playoffs. He had to face the press today.
Joe Johns is out, but my friend Brianna Keilar is in for Political Pop and she was there in the room. But before we talk Carney and what he did, just take me through what happened last night.
BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN CONGRESSIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Let me preface this by telling you the last time I reported on baseball was in high school. So, here goes. Here's what happened last night. Late last night, bottom of the ninth, two outs, two strikes, Boston was up 3-2. And then what happens? Boston blows it. The Red Sox blow it. The Orioles win the game. This was the end of the season for the Red Sox.
And this was really kind of an epic collapse because they had a nine- game lead in the playoff race at the beginning of the month then managed to lose 20 games in September. So this was completely heartbreaking for Red Sox fans. And like I said, it happened late at night, Brooke. So you've got this great combo of people not only being grumpy, but tired of the Red Sox fans, and Jay Carney is one of them.
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BALDWIN: OK, so you're in this White House briefing. He's taking this a little hard, isn't he?
KEILAR: He's taking it hard. In fact, he actually started off the briefing talking about this and with the assistance of a line graph. Check it out.
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CARNEY: Good afternoon, ladies and gentlemen. It's a sad day. I stayed up a little late last night watching baseball. And I was reminded by the travesty that occurred after midnight for red sox fans, that there's a reason you play the game. There's a reason you play the game, right? Because when statistical probabilities say you cannot lose, Red Sox, Rays. You have to go to the playoffs.
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KEILAR: Perhaps a lesson, Brooke, that can also be applied to politics.
BALDWIN: I suppose so. I guess it's not that bad of a day if you're a Ray fan or a Cardinal fan, but not at all the case for Mr. Carney.
KEILAR: That's right.
BALDWIN: Brianna Keilar, excellent job talking baseball.
KEILAR: I try.
BALDWIN: Thank you very much with Political Pop. We'll see you back here tomorrow.
Meantime, we do want to dip back into that involuntary manslaughter trail underway in Los Angeles. Let's listen.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: After that, you put that in a different bag.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you said that was a blue bag.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And then you called 911?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir, then Dr. Murray instructed me to call 911, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you think you might have gotten some of this mis -- mistaken?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No. No chance of that?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No chance. All right, let's talk about this 911 call you made. OK? During the 911 call, you said that you placed Michael Jackson on the floor, correct?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that your testimony today?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. You sure it wasn't after your 911 call?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: No, sir, if I can remember correctly, it was when the operator was instructing me to put him on the floor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Well, your testimony today was that when you before you put him on the floor, you -- you grabbed Michael Jackson's ankles.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir, that's correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And he was limp.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you before you could ever lift him, there was a catheter that was removed from his leg, right?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From his --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: From his leg, a catheter? You said an IV was pulled out of him.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: In fact, you didn't know where to grab at first because of the IVs, is what you said, right?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is correct, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK, and you were gentle with him, weren't you?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I was, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You didn't just throw him on the ground, right?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Of course not.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You want to be careful.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And you're saying that Dr. Murray, before he actually grabbed -- this is your testimony, before he grabbed the shoulders, he put this device on Michael Jackson's finger.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That is correct, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All that happened before Michael Jackson was gently laid to the floor.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Correct.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right. Now, do you still have the transcript of the 911 call?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, I do.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do we have it here? Will you go to that transcript and tell us what line at what line you put Michael Jackson on the floor. Knows exactly at what point --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Indicated, fine. If not, just indicate that.
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BALDWIN: So, you've been listening to Alberto Alvarez, he is one of the bodyguards for Michael Jackson. We saw there at the top, just a couple of minutes ago this list.
So what they're having him do is list out essentially the chronologically, the timeline of what he did once he went to the room to see Michael Jackson.
Dr. Conrad Murray was there. Earlier, he had described how Dr. Murray asked him to put a bunch of vials in a bag before dialing 911. We're going to keep following this trial. Again, up Los Angeles, the Conrad Murray involuntary manslaughter trail.
Meantime, we will move on watch this.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Corporations should not run the government, so we're here to kind of get that out there.
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BALDWIN: For nearly two weeks, actually today, day 13, they have been rallying on Wall Street demonstrating against corporate corruption. A look at the movement and what they hope to accomplish there, plus, more from the Michael Jackson death trial.
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BALDWIN: The pepper spraying of Wall Street protesters by a police officer just this past weekend is now officially under investigation. You have New York police also the Manhattan prosecutors' office. They've announced separate investigations into this.
This whole pepper spraying incident was caught on this video here. It was posted online generating all kinds of criticism. Large crowds meantime back on the streets here today, day 13, in New York's financial district.
Last hour, I talked with Princeton professor, Cornel West, who supports the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrators.
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BALDWIN: Why protest now, why not three years ago, the collapse?
CORNEL WEST, AUTHOR/PROFESSOR, AFRICAN-AMERICAN STUDIES, PRINCETON: That's a wonderful question. You never when the spirit is going to hit. You never know when a movement arises and it's not a movement with one leadership, but two leaders or three leaders.
It is spontaneous and instantaneous coming from the hearts and minds and souls of people of all colors. And it's hard to know. World apart who knew? You just don't know. What has taken place now is the U.S. fall in response to the Arab spring here, L.A., Boston, on to Atlanta, on to Dallas, on to Chicago and other places.
BALDWIN: Cornel, you had mentioned a number of concerns among these different demonstrators and that's maybe part of the issue and criticism I read about is it lacks a coherent message. It's lacks a leader. You see anti-Wall Street signs, anti-death penalty signs. A lot of people say they need one message.
WEST: You know, the system, Brooke, my dear brother Howard Zen used to say decent is the highest form of patriotism. When you're bearing witness to truth, justice, you're doing it in the name of something bigger than you, country as well as humanity.
That's what kept this country free and democratic. That's the only thing that will keep this country free and democratic. This kind of witness bearing, bringing all kind of people together realizing justice is what love looks like in public. That's what you're seeing here today.
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BALDWIN: Dr. Cornel West, Princeton University. The last moments of Michael Jackson's life. How did his personal bodyguard react? He is on standstill right now describing his moves step by step. Sunny Hostin is on the case. She's going to walk us through today's developments, next.
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BALDWIN: Quick note about this newscast. I'm moving just a little bit. I need you to move with me. So the show moves up just one hour in the CNN line up starting Monday. So you'll still get two hour from us, just have to watch from 2:00 to 4:00 Eastern Time or 11 to 1 Pacific in the CNN NEWSROOM. Again, that starts on Monday.
Michael Jackson's bodyguard testifying that Paris Jackson screamed, daddy, and that Dr. Conrad Murray stopped CPR on the singer just to gather and hide drug vials. Alberto Alvarez, he's actually still on the stand there speaking, has spent most of the day on the stand.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Going back to what was physically, what happened, so you kind of indicated the children to leave the room, is that accurate?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. Conrad Murray as you were coming back tells you Michael had a bad reaction.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, sir.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did he then instruct you the take some vials or do something with some vials? UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes, well, I was standing at the foot of the bed, he reached over and grabbed handful of vials and then reached out to me and said, here, put these in a bag.
BALDWIN: Sunny Hostin is on the case and Sunny, let's just talk about how Dr. Murray looks now in light of Alberto Alvarez's testimony. How do you think?
SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR: Well, Alberto Alvarez is a very strong witness for the prosecution. We just saw him describing what appears to be a very chaotic scene in Michael Jackson's bedroom when he was clearly on his death bed.
He described not really an alive Michael Jackson. He described seeing Michael Jackson laying on his back, eyes open, mouth open, palms up to the ceiling and rather than having him call 911, Dr. Conrad Murray asked him to hide some vials.
Throw away some medications, so that very much looks like a cover up. Looks like consciousness of guilt. That can't bode well for Conrad Murray, Brooke.
BALDWIN: So if he's a strong witness for the prosecution, on the flipside, Sunny, how can the defense successfully chip away at his testimony?
HOSTIN: Well, certainly, we're seeing that now because he is on cross-examination right now. They are trying to chip away his memory. They're trying to chip away at that timeline because that is very important to this defense.
The 911 wasn't called until about 12:20 p.m. It is apparent that Michael Jackson was in trouble around 11:55, 11:56, 11:57. That's a long period of time not to call 911 and it sounds like the defense is really trying to hammer him on his memory, perhaps on the timeline.
But again, very, very effective witness for this prosecution. I think it's going to be difficult to combat his testimony.
BALDWIN: Also interesting, Sunny, is just the impact that Jackson's death had on so many people close to him. Leaving people like Alberto Alvarez on the brink financially. Why did the prosecution bring his financial troubles into all of this though?
HOSTIN: Well, because I think it bolsters his credibility. I mean, let's face it he said he was offered $500,000 by one news outlet or media to tell his story, $200,000 by the "National Enquirer." Guess what, Brooke?
He didn't take the money. So I think that makes him so much more credible to this jury because his story wasn't for sale. His story was for this jury, for this courtroom. That makes a very, very credible witness.
BALDWIN: We're going to keep watching this trial unfold in Los Angeles right along with you, Sunny Hostin. Thank you very much. Again, thanks to all you for watching. I'm Brooke Baldwin here in Atlanta.
Now, sitting in for Wolf Blitzer, my friend, Joe Johns. "THE SITUATION ROOM" starts right now.
