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Police Reenact Possible Kidnapping; Dozens Killed in Cairo Clashes; "Felony Stupid"; Minors Banned from Fake & Bake

Aired October 10, 2011 - 14:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: And hello to you. I'm Brooke Baldwin.

Let's get you caught up on everything making news this hour, "Rapid Fire."

Let's begin with Egypt. At least 25 people are dead in Cairo. That's just over this past weekend.

Egyptian security forces are fighting Christian protesters there in the city streets. The situation still unfolding right now. We're going to take you live to Cairo with Ben Wedeman in just a matter of minutes.

Meantime, stocks are on a roll right now. Let's take a quick look.

The Dow -- take a look at that -- in the plus 272, very positive territory, on this Monday afternoon. One reason things are looking up? Investors are glad to see that European leaders now have a plan to solve the eurozone debt crisis by the end of the month.

And a new poll reveals what many Americans think about all these Occupy Wall Street protests. According to the ORC/International CARAVAN poll,, take a look. Fifty-one percent of those polled say they have heard of the Occupy Wall Street movement, while 49 percent said they haven't. Twenty-seven percent of those who have heard of Occupy Wall Street say they agree with their positions, while 19 percent say no, they do not.

Gas prices down just 25 cents in just the past month. That's according to the Lundberg Survey. A gallon now averaging about $3.42. That is still higher than last year, when gas was below 3 bucks.

Heads up for all you subscribers of Netflix. They say it is not going to split its DVD rentals away from its streaming movies business, and it won't be renaming its movies by mail business Qwikster. Customers will keep one user name and password combo, still get all the movies they want each month for that one membership fee. The CEO said Netflix was moving too fast when they announced all those changes last month.

And the iPhone 4S is selling like hotcakes. Apple said in just the first 24 hours, they sold a million phones, which tops the previous record of 600,000. Maybe that has a little something to do with the fact that more U.S. carriers are supporting this iPhone. Nowadays, you have Sprint, Verizon and AT&T, now all providing iPhone service plans.

And many of you know this already first hand. You are now taking home less than you were during the recession.

According to "The New York Times," a study of Census data shows median household income fell 6.7 percent a year between June of '09 and June of this year. That compares to just a 3.2 percent differential between December of '07 and June of '09.

A rescue off the Florida Keys. This group of people, including one young child, in the water for hours. Take a look at the image of one of seven people who survived.

The Coast Guard rescued Sunday near Marathon, Florida. That is where they say that boat capsized Saturday. A commercial boat picked up three other people, but an 80-year-old woman drowned before she could be reached.

And file this under "What Will Kids Think of Next?" Teens are now using gummy bears to get drunk. Yes, they're soaking the candy in vodka and they're eating it.

Some apparently have been doing this for years in videos like this one on YouTube. But this Halloween, one drug counselor is warning all you parents to watch out for your kids. Little ones may not know the difference, so make sure they don't get their hands on any special gummy worms or gummy bears.

Two Americans winning the Nobel Prize for economics. Thomas Sargent is a professor at New York University, and Christopher Sims is a professor at Princeton. They won for their work that sorts out cause from effect in the economy and policy.

And we here are just getting started. Coming up, blood spills as violence erupts in the streets of Cairo. Christians battling police. And now Egypt's prime minister says a hidden group is behind all this chaos.

I'm Brooke Baldwin. The news is now.

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BALDWIN (voice-over): Clubs, stones and swords. Witnesses say thugs are taking protesters on and taking them out.

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: It's a very volatile situation.

BALDWIN: In just minutes, we'll go live to Ben Wedeman in Cairo.

The desperate hunt for a missing 10-month-old takes a huge turn. Why investigators are looking at the family's home to get inside the mind of a possible kidnapper.

Plus, hundreds of American guns in the hands of drug cartels. How? The U.S. government essentially gave them. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Who authorized it and why?

BALDWIN: New warnings of subpoenas in the Fast & Furious scandal.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The baby at that time was profusely sweating.

BALDWIN: Police say a dad leaves his 5-month-old inside a hot car while he goes on a date at McDonald's. Find out who finally saved this little girl.

We can do better.

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BALDWIN: Police in Missouri are testing out the story of the parents of this missing baby girl. Authorities tried to reenact a possible abduction at her Kansas City home.

Keep if mind it's just been just about a week since the parents of 10- month-old Lisa Irwin say they last saw her sleeping in her crib. They told police she was kidnapped. Police went back to the home over this past weekend.

And I want to bring in Ed Lavandera, live for us from Kansas City.

Ed, talk me through this sort of recreation of I guess what the parents are calling this abduction. How did it go?

ED LAVANDERA, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, just to kind of get everybody up to speed first, if you haven't been following this story over the course of the last week, essentially when the father of 10- month-old Lisa Irwin came home late Monday night, early Tuesday morning, about 4:00 in the morning after working an overnight shift, he discovered that his 10-month-old baby daughter was not in the crib where her mother had put her to sleep just hours before. The initial story that came out from police and what they've been told is -- and you can see the house over here -- that that window there on the right edge of the house was found to be perhaps open and the lights were on in the house. So the initial kind of response and the initial wording and information from police was that perhaps someone had gone in through that window and made their way in to abduct the 10-month-old baby girl.

Now, yesterday, authorities were out here, investigators, and we saw them kind of recreating that scene, what it would have taken for someone to climb through that. And as you were watching them, it wasn't an easy task.

At some point, one officer was helping another officer climb through the window, the window slammed down. So it was definitely loud, it was tedious. You take from that what you will.

Authorities are clear they have not pointed to the parents as suspects, but they do say that every option, every possible scenario is on the table that they're looking at. And they're saying that because, Brooke, at this point, they don't have any leads, they have no idea where this baby girl might be, and they have no idea what might have happened to her. So everything is on the table. And obviously, that includes taking a very hard, close look at the parents as well.

BALDWIN: Well, speaking of the parents, though, and given, as you sort of detailed, the difficulty, I guess, in some of these police officers trying to recreate what could have been this abduction through this window, have police at all reacted to that level of difficulty, A? And, B, what about the parents cooperating? Because according to reports, they weren't exactly cooperating over the weekend.

LAVANDERA: You know, it's interesting, Brooke, because a lot of this kind of takes place right here on this very public street as the officers were doing that. But when you press them to kind of get details of what exactly they're doing that for, what they're taking away from it, it's really hard to get the investigators to kind of explain what their ideas and what their motivations are behind what they're doing.

They were out here over the weekend with metal detectors, looking through the yard, and in a creek area behind the house as well. And, of course, all of this has been overshadowed by what you mentioned, these parents who, last Thursday, according to police, stopped talking to the investigators in this case in these crucial days after the disappearance of their baby daughter.

All of that has seemed to be put aside for the time being. Saturday night, we were told by police officers that the parents resumed talking to investigators. They met Saturday night and Sunday as well. And so we presume that they're cooperating.

The level to what they're cooperating, they're not really being specific. We asked if they had lawyers present when they were doing these conversations. Police won't say. But all of that continues.

And you can hear and sense the frustration and the fear in a lot of the investigators that are working on this case. We are now approaching a week that this baby girl has been missing. And obviously the more time passes, the more desperate the situation becomes.

BALDWIN: You know, Ed, I watched that video of this sort of recreation of this abduction, and we saw that -- or we understand that the window actually fell on to the officer's legs. He was being hoisted up through the window at some point.

Does that at all make police a little bit more suspicious of I guess the veracity of the parents' story?

LAVANDERA: Yes, I don't want to get in the officer's head because I haven't had a chance to talk to them and exactly what they took away from that.

BALDWIN: So they have not said?

LAVANDERA: You obviously saw them struggling. No, they haven't said, but you obviously saw them struggling getting in through that window.

So, obviously, if you're playing arm chair detective, you can take away from that what you will as you think, could one person have done that all by themselves? Those are probably the very same questions and the very same thoughts that these investigators are asking and putting to themselves as they try to figure out what happened here.

BALDWIN: Well, let's ask an expert. Ed Lavandera, thank you, by the way.

For more on this case of 10-month-old missing Lisa, let's go to FBI assistant director -- former FBI assistant director and CNN contributor, Tom Fuentes.

And Tom, let's just -- I want to begin where we Ed sort of left off with regard to this reenactment, this video, and these officers. You know, you see this one guy sort of trying to shove another up to the level of this window, and then at one point the window slams down. And according to mom and dad at the time, dad was at work, working an overnight shift, mom was asleep.

Does that raise eyebrows for you with regard to their story?

TOM FUENTES, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: Hi, Brooke.

I think in a way the reenactment doesn't help one way or the other. It shows that it's not impossible that they could have gone out the window and taken the baby out the window. But as long as it's possible, especially if two people were doing it and one person could hand the baby to the other one, it could happen.

All they're doing in terms of that aspect of the investigation is trying to see if they can rule it out. You know, the parents are saying that the front door was left unlocked, the window was left unlocked. The people could have taken the baby out the door or out the window.

They just wanted to explore, is it possible? Could it have been done? Even though difficult, it looks like it could have been done.

BALDWIN: What about just the process in and of itself of reenacting a possible crime? Is that fairly typical for law enforcement?

FUENTES: It could be in most cases if you want to rule out something. If you want to say, no, it's not possible, or the person would have to be so small or so agile that it's not likely, but that's a fairly regular size window, it's not three stories off the ground or something where it would be a tremendous act to go out that window. So I think they just want to see, is it possible? And in this case, it appears that it is possible, so it doesn't help them rule it in or out.

BALDWIN: Also, according to reports, some folks who have seen the inside of the house, apparently the intruder would have had to have come through the window, go through the kitchen, through a doorway, and then into the nursery to grab little Lisa. Can you read anything into that?

FUENTES: No. It could happen. And the claim that the doors were left unlocked means that someone could go into the house that way.

If you'll recall the Polly Klaas case in California, almost 20 years ago now, a complete stranger came along, found a door unlocked, went in and abducted Polly Klaas. So it's not impossible.

Unfortunately, the police can't rule in or out the suspects at this point. So everybody who knew that child or knew the house or familiar is already going to have to be looked at. So that includes the parents, relatives, friends, co-workers, handymen that may work in the neighborhood. But it also could have been a stranger if the door is unlocked.

So it's just a very difficult circumstance. We know in the past week they've searched a landfill in the area twice and followed hundreds of tips all over the country. So it's just something they're going to have to keep pursuing until they can find something that's a more solid lead in this case.

BALDWIN: You mentioned strangers versus talking to people who are familiar with the home, perhaps familiar with Lisa. I guess, according to history or statistics, what is more likely in child abduction cases? Is it a known person, or could it be, more times than not, a total stranger?

FUENTES: Unfortunately, it's usually someone that is known or knows of the child, not necessarily a friend or family, but somebody that knows. Obviously, this is not your typical burglary where somebody is going in to remove property or money and taking a baby with them.

Another unusual aspect is the reporting that the family's three cell phones were also removed. So there are parts of this story that may not seem plausible, and they just have to look at everything.

BALDWIN: If you are an investigator, Tom Fuentes, on the ground, what are you looking at? What questions are you asking here?

FUENTES: All the questions I'm sure they're asking -- every possible circumstance of the parents, the relationship to the baby. Was it a wanted or unwanted child? Has there ever been a history of abuse of the child? Do neighbors know of anything unusual concerning their parenting habits with the child?

Just anybody that knew the family, other workers, what they've said about their family publicly, or how they're raising their children. There's just so many question that's have to be asked. And unfortunately, it's difficult because the police may appear to be mean and abusive, but these are questions they have to ask of the family, of the relatives, of everyone that may have known that child.

BALDWIN: They want to find that little girl safely. FUENTES: Right.

BALDWIN: Tom Fuentes, we'll be following it with you. Thank you, sir.

FUENTES: Thank you, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Still ahead, witnesses say police tanks are running over protesters in the streets of Egypt -- Christian protesters. The situation, unfolding right now.

CNN's Ben Wedeman, in the middle of this chaos. He's standing by for us live.

Plus, back home, Republicans now threatening to subpoena members of the Obama administration over that Fast & Furious scandal, the operation that sent American guns straight to drug gangs in Mexico. So, who knew what and when?

Also, talk about a celebrity sighting. Prince Harry at a bar in the U.S. Find out who he was out and about mingling with and what he watched on television. That is coming up.

But first, in today's "Impact Your World," NASCAR champion Tony Stewart gathers the best drivers every year to get dirty for a cause. Check it out.

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TONY STEWART, NASCAR DRIVER: Hi. I'm Tony Stewart. And we can make an impact on children in need.

The Prelude basically started seven years ago. It was just wanting to come up with a fun night of racing for everybody. And then we thought, well, while we're here, we can raise some money for charity.

Last year we introduced the team concept. We took the entire field and split them up in four teams so they each represent one of the children's hospitals. The winning team gets 30 percent of the proceeds. So the higher the team finishes, the bigger their percentage is of the proceeds.

It doesn't just stop because the checkered flag is dropped here. So there's still ways to go and be a part of these charities and help out and donate time.

Join the movement. "Impact Your World." Go to CNN.com/impact.

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BALDWIN: All right. One of our other top stories we're following for you today, fighting and bloodshed in the streets of Cairo, Egypt. This weekend saw the deadliest clashes since the revolution that pushed out President Hosni Mubarak out of office.

I want to go now live -- we understand it's quite noisy -- to CNN Senior International Correspondent Ben Wedeman.

And Ben, I may ask you to pause through our Q&A just to be able to hear what's happening behind you. But first, set up the story for us. Who is fighting whom and why?

BEN WEDEMAN, CNN SR. INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, what happened was on Sunday evening, on this road just behind me, several hundred protesters, Coptic Christians, as well as some Muslims, came to protest against the burning in southern Egypt last week of a Christian church. Now, what happened afterwards is not altogether clear.

Some of the protesters said that they were -- they had stones thrown at them, that they were attacked by people in civilian clothing using sticks and machetes. The army, the government, is saying that, in fact, some of the protesters fired using weapon on the army itself.

But what we do know is that at least 25 people were killed, the vast majority of them Coptic Christians. It has raised a lot of tension here in Cairo. The government in this area has imposed a curfew from 2:00 a.m. to 7:00 a.m.

What I have behind my is a crowd of people who are chanting "Islamia (ph)! Islamia (ph)!" So these people obviously are unhappy with the assertiveness of the Christian community and Egypt, and this is reflective of the tensions. In fact, just a few minutes ago, a rock came flying through this window, into our office.

BALDWIN: Goodness. Having flashbacks of talking to you many months ago, but for a very different reason.

I do want to ask about though about the army excusing what they're calling a hidden hand, Ben, guiding those protests. A hidden hand. What are they implying there?

WEDEMAN: Well, what they're implying is that there's some sort of foreign agenda at work. And this is very reminiscent of what we heard during the final days of the Mubarak regime, when they accused a foreign hand, foreign agents of fomenting the uprising against the president. And that was very worrying, because that was what essentially sparked the series of attacks against foreign journalists during the revolution -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: Is this wave of violence at all connected then to the political upheaval that I know you covered so much many months ago?

WEDEMAN: Well, it's very much connected to it. What we have here is, following the fall of the old regime, the military took over. And what's clear is that the military has not satisfied many of the demands of the people behind the revolution.

They want free elections. They want an end to the emergency law. They want civilians to no longer be put on trial in military courts. And they feel that the military government simply is incapable of maintaining law and order in this country -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: Ben Wedeman for us in Cairo. Ben, my thanks to you.

Still ahead, did Attorney General Eric Holder lie to Congress? Some lawmakers are looking into that over this whole secret gun-running operation.

Plus, Paul McCartney -- Sir Paul McCartney, I should say -- tying the knot over the weekend. We are now hearing all about who was invited.

Plus, one famous American icon who's related to Paul McCartney's new wife. The answer, after this break.

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BALDWIN: Ex-Beatle Sir Paul McCartney tied the knot yesterday for the first time to American trucking heiress Nancy Shevell. The private London ceremony was held where McCartney married his first wife and was attended by close friends, family members.

So here's what we know.

In attendance, the only other living Beatle, Mr. Ringo Starr, and his wife. Also McCartney's daughter and fashion designer Stella McCartney, who, by the way, designed the bride and groom's outfits for the big day.

Yet another well-known guest in attendance, Shevell's second cousin, Barbara Walters.

The wedding date fell on what would have been John Lennon's 71st birthday. Sir Paul McCartney told reporters, "I feel absolutely wonderful."

And Prince Harry spotted in San Diego. People say they saw him at a pub with some friends, you know, ordering up a little beer and burgers. He said no to any pictures. Others reportedly spotted the prince watching a rugby game at a hotel rooftop. The prince is in California for military training.

And it's called Fast & Furious. It's the secret operation that put hundreds of American weapons in the hands of drug cartels. And somehow someone in the Obama administration signed off on it.

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REP. DARRELL ISSA (R), CALIFORNIA: He was overseeing an organization that let 2,000 weapons walk.

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BALDWIN: So, when did Attorney General Eric Holder know about this? And now he could soon face big, big legal trouble. How Holder is defending himself against all these accusations that his team is an accessory to murder.

Stay right there. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)

BALDWIN: This was the plan: federal firearms agents would turn a blind eye, let hundreds of guns be smuggled from Arizona into Mexico. Then they'd follow the smuggled weapons up the chain to the deadliest Mexican drug thugs. That was the plan, and these are some of the weapons. These have been recovered, but the feds lost track of many, many others. Guns by the hundreds and two were found at the scene of this man's murder, this was federal border agent Brian Terry killed on duty in Arizona.

So, that, in a nutshell, is Operation Fast and Furious.

And here's what's happening right now: Attorney General Eric Holder stands accused of trying to cover up this big-time federal blunder, accused by a powerful House Republican who says he's about to issue subpoenas. I want you to listen to him.

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REP. DARRELL ISSA (R-CA), OVERSIGHT AND REFORM CHAIRMAN: He was overseeing an organization that let 2,000 weapons walk, knew they were letting it walk and concealed that not just from Congress but also from the ambassador in Mexico, the Mexican people and so on. And that's what we're asking questions about.

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BALDWIN: So we're all going to start hearing a lot about this, this week. And I want to start this conversation this Monday here with Jim Cavanaugh, former agent in charge of the federal Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco and Firearms. Jim is in Nashville for us.

Jim, Congressman Issa, who we just heard from, said this whole idea, quoting him, "was felony stupid" -- his words. Does that sound about right to you?

JIM CAVANAUGH, RETIRED ATF SPECIAL AGENT IN CHARGE: Right. Well, the failure of this case, Brooke, is really the scale of it, it just went too big. Fast and Furious, it went too fast and it was too furious. It's too big. The scale of the gun trafficking case cannot reach that far. It needed to be stopped I think in the chairman's letter that he issued today, even says so. I mean, he talks about a few hundred guns were known to the agents, yet they let it continue.

I think the chairman and even Senator Grassley realize there has to be some level of proof for the agent and the prosecutors to do something. So they have good teams of investigators that rooted that out.

BALDWIN: Yes.

CAVANAUGH: But you can't keep letting it go.

BALDWIN: But, Jim, what could have been gained that would equal the risk of letting all these guns, as they say, walk? Let them go and then be traced back, what's the gain? CAVANAUGH: Yes, there really was no logical gain. I think they were trying to catch the king of the cartel, and that's a mistake. You know, cartels' main business is narcotics trafficking. Everything else they do is a sideline, murder, corruption of public officials, gun traffic -- all of those things are sideline to their main business, distribution of drugs for the purpose of money.

So who is going to take down the kind of the cartel is going to be the DEA and the Mexican police. And it's not going to be ATF.

So, they reached too high -- tried to reach too high in the chain. They should have cut it off. And, of course, what --

BALDWIN: What do you mean by that? Let me just jump in. What do you mean by "cut it off"?

CAVANAUGH: Well, when they had a certain level of probable cause, when they knew some of these traffickers had purchased a certain number of guns, they should have stopped it, got warrants, and arrested them. They should have also -- a big failure in the case is to not work from the beginning from the nation stages with the ATF agents assigned in Mexico City.

Whenever you run an international case, you're going to work with the ATF agents assigned in Mexico City or another foreign country, and the authorities in that country. So, that wasn't done. That was a failure.

If they had done that earlier on -- and the chairman said this himself -- you know, and cut it off earlier, I think they could have had a gun traffic case that was viable. But they let it go too long. They cut out ATF agents in Mexico and the Mexican police trying to reach ever higher to catch the king of the cartel. A bad goal, really.

BALDWIN: But, Jim, if you're hatching an operation as huge as this one, Operation Fast and Furious, certainly, you would cover your bases, right?

CAVANAUGH: That's right. That's right. There's a lot of failures there. I think the attorney general --

BALDWIN: But what about -- what about tracking the weapons? How did they not track the weapons all the way through? How did that fall apart?

CAVANAUGH: Yes, it's going to be -- yes, it's going to fall apart because if you don't clue in the ATF agents on the Mexican side and you don't clue in the Mexican authorities that can do some border checks and stops and surveillances, you're not going to be able to track all these weapons. So, you know, it's just not possible to stop all the weapons going to Mexico, and it's not possible to track 2,500 guns in a case like this.

So that's why it shouldn't have happened from the get-go.

BALDWIN: One other question I had is Attorney General Holder told Congress he didn't know about Fast and Furious until as late as last May. Congressman Issa questions that, he questions the when. How high up for such an operation would authorization of something like this have to go, come from?

CAVANAUGH: Well, I can tell you that a case like this would be known at the level of the deputy attorney general, which is the number two in the department, who's basically the chief operating officer. He would know about the case, the highlights of the case. He wouldn't be directing the tactics necessarily, but he would have pretty knowledge of a case of this magnitude that's crossing the border.

So, it would get it that high. I think the Congress knows that already. It's going to be that high in the levels of the department. What the fight is going to be now is, you know, what did Attorney General Eric Holder know? It's going to be the Watergate question, you know, what did he know and when did he know it?

And that's where the chairman is fighting with them. And, of course, the chairman and senator -- they want to take it out on the White House as well.

BALDWIN: Jim Cavanaugh, I have a feeling you and I are going to be talking about this again, sir. Thank you so much. Good to see you.

CAVANAUGH: Thanks, Brooke.

BALDWIN: Still ahead -- he worked for President Obama as a diplomat. Now, as Jon Huntsman looks to take the president's job, the former governor is laying out his own foreign policy plans. Find out what is issue he says is most important.

Also this --

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BALDWIN: The familiar sound from Bieber to Pink, no music star seems to be off limits. Pop-up video is back along with its snarky way of showing off those videos. CNN is taking you inside, next.

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BALDWIN: OK. Do you remember pop-up video? VH1 bringing back its -- there we go, thank you, guys -- bringing back its hit show from the '90s after going on hiatus for just about a decade. Pop up is making its debut again, taking on today's music videos with sass.

Here's Christine Romans.

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(MUSIC)

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Bieber's love life.

(MUSIC) ROMANS: Pink's middle school smoking spot. And a rejuvenated theme song.

After a 10-year hiatus, pop up video is back.

Debuting in 1996, pop up video offers nuggets of trivia and behind- the-scenes information on top of music videos. It was an instant hit, now with 10 years' worth of videos to pop, its creators have a lot to work with.

WOODY THOMPSON, "POP UP VIDEO" CO-CREATOR: There is plenty to mine. We haven't hit O-town, haven't hit every "American Idol" contestant, winner, loser. So, the time is now.

ROMANS: Slotted for 60 new episodes, pop up video had has mined fresh new videos from Amy Winehouse to Coldplay.

When word got out, music industry types were lining up.

THOMPSON: Everybody wants to be on this show, even though they may take a few hits, I think everybody knows it's like being on "Saturday Night Live" or a guest on "South Park" or "The Simpsons."

ROMANS: The landscape has changed a lot since pop up video went off the air. Facebook, Twitter -- we almost live in a pop-up world. With information on demand, audiences' attention span is not the same, and pop up plans to play to that.

THOMAPSON: I think we're in a age where hopefully this is more of a jumping off point where we tell a story on top of a popular video and then we throw it out to the community and the community pops it themselves.

ROMANS: Christine Romans, CNN, New York.

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BALDWIN: Also, viewers are now able to pop their own videos on VH1's Web site. And so, apparently, if your versions are good enough, we're told they may even make it on air.

Someone who I'm sure is overjoyed by pop-up video being back and look forward to the Shakira pop-up video, is Mr. Blitzer.

Good to see you. How are you?

WOLF BLITZER, HOST, "THE SITUATION ROOM": Not just Shakira, but I like them all.

BALDWIN: Of course you do. Gaga, you're hip --

BLITZER: I like Shakira a lot. I like Shakira.

BALDWIN: I know you do.

BLITZER: Yes. BALDWIN: Shall we talk politics? What do you have?

BLITZER: Yes. Let's talk a little bit about what's happening in New Hampshire right now. There's a new poll out in New Hampshire, that's the second battle ground state, as all of our viewers know. Jon Huntsman who I'm going to be speaking to live in "THE SITUATION ROOM" later, let's go through a little bit of what he's doing first. He's speaking out on national security foreign policy.

There you see the poll numbers. Mitt Romney still ahead, 38 percent. But look at Herman Cain, he's now at 20 percent according to this new Harvard Institute of Politics poll, the Saint Anselm poll in New Hampshire as well. Ron Paul with 13 percent, Newt Gingrich at 5 percent, Jon Huntsman 4 percent, Rick Perry 4 percent -- that's pretty pitiful for Rick Perry in New Hampshire right now, only 4 percent among these Republican voters in New Hampshire.

Mitt Romney basically set up shop in New Hampshire. He's almost living there. He's from Massachusetts right next door.

But the big story here is Herman Cain in another poll doing really, really well.

Let me play a clip now of what Jon Huntsman had to say today on national security foreign policy, attacking President Obama's record.

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JON HUNTSMAN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: The world needs American leadership now more than ever. Yet, we are struggling to provide it. President Obama's policies have weakened America, and thus diminished America's presence on the global stage. We must correct our course.

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BLITZER: I was a little surprised to hear those tough words attacking President Obama's foreign policy, given the fact that Jon Huntsman was one of the -- was America's top diplomat in China, asked to be America's top diplomat in China by President Obama, served for the first couple years of the Obama administration in China, now going on the attack against President Obama's national security record.

We're going to have a chance to go through all of that and a lot more, including what he thinks about this uproar that's developed over the past few days about some evangelical Christians not believing that Mormons are really Christians. As you know, Jon Huntsman himself, like Mitt Romney, is a Mormon.

So, we got a lot coming up at 4:00 p.m. Eastern right after you here on CNN.

BALDWIN: That's right. Because when you move -- when I move, you move, according to you, Wolf.

BLITZER: When with you move, I move. Wasn't there a song along those lines? BALDWIN: I think there was. I believe it was Ludicrous. You're pretty hip, sir. People don't realize.

BLITZER: I think you're right.

BALDWIN: Thank you, sir.

BLITZER: OK.

BALDWIN: You know, it's got a lot of you talking on Twitter. California will soon ban minors from tanning salon. This new "fake bake" rule is actually sparking quite the debate. Elizabeth Cohen with what you need to know, next.

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BALDWIN: Eight years, do you believe it, eight years -- that's how long since rock band Jane's Addiction released an album? But the wait is over. Next week, the band releases "The Great Escape Artist."

And CNN was on set as they filmed the music video for the first single off of that album. We found out how that time away from one another is actually the fuel for their music and their sound. Once they actually get together, they make music no one will stop.

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DAVE NAVARRO, GUITARIST: Hey, I'm Dave Navarro. And I'm on set here in Los Angeles, California, doing the video for Jane's Addiction new single "Irresistible Force."

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NAVARRO: If you want to pan over, you can see there's the stage right there where they're shooting. Right now, Mr. Perkins, our illustrious drummer, is inside pretending to play drums with magic.

STEVEN PERKINS, DRUMMER: I'm Steven Perkins. I brought a clear drum set which is kind of exciting, so you can see this gorgeous body and outfit through the drum set.

PERRY FARRELL, LEAD SINGER: This is actually a bracelet, I bet. I'm Perry Farrell, I'm the lead singer. We haven't had an official record out in eight years, since 2003. I'm pulling out the old woman's trick, making them want and need and desire.

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PERKINS: If we're not getting along, don't stay together just because we're getting paid for it. When we like each other, the music sounds better and it feels better to cash those checks, when you're doing it with friends, you know?

FARRELL: One guy is just a ball of sunshine. That's Steven. Then, Dave is just a black hole sometimes, you know, like places where he goes. And me, I'm just kind of like a ping-pong ball out in the cosmos, man.

REPORTER: Awesome fist fights?

NAVARRO: No, no. People keep asking about that. That was done in like '91. You know what I'm saying? That was a long time ago. I don't even have any recollection of that.

REPORTER: Maybe that was the problem.

NAVARRO: Contributed to the problem.

FARRELL: Socially, we've never really hung out, although these days I'm inviting guys to things that I do just because I love them and I kind of feel like, why shouldn't I invite them? You know what I mean?

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PERKINS: To me, the irresistible force is what pulls me, Dave and Perry together. Ever since I was 13, I've been playing with Navarro. I met Perry when I was 17. No matter how much we stop playing with each other and try to get away from each other, it's the magnet that pulls us closer.

FARRELL: Davie, I love you.

NAVARRO: I love you, too. Thanks for the invite. Is that for Sunday night?

FARRELL: I don't know.

NAVARRO: Because I'm going to get in later than you.

We've gotten back together so many times over the years that we don't break up anymore. We just go on five-year hiatuses.

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BALDWIN: Jane's Addiction, they're back. (INAUDIBLE) in '91. I know some of you remember that. Remember we love music here. We feature a band each and every Monday.

You can watch all my music Monday interviews, just go to my Brooke blog, CNN.com/Brooke. Tell me what you love, who you're listening to and who you think should appear each and every Monday on music Monday.

He is one of America's most notorious mobsters. In fact, Jack Nicholson once played him in prison. Now that Whitey Bulger is in prison, we are finally learning who lead police to the fugitive and there is a bit of a connection between that tipster and CNN. That is coming up.

Also, as promised, the debate over tanning beds and whether minors should be allowed to fake-bake. One state just banned them for kids. Elizabeth Cohen with what you need to know, next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) BALDWIN: Young people under the age of 18 from January on will be legally banned from going to indoor tanning salons or using any type of ultraviolet UV tanning device in the state of California. This is the first time any state has cracked down that hard on the fake tan industry.

Senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen is here. I tell you what, earlier today, our whole pod, this got us into quite a little discussion and also on Twitter as well. Explain.

So the governor of California says he's doing this for a very good reason.

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Right. He says because he knows that science shows that if you start using tanning beds at a young age, it's far worse than if you start off as an adult. I mean, this number, Brooke, I think says it all.

What they found is that if you start using a tanning bed before age 30, you increase your cancer risk by 75 percent.

BALDWIN: Wow!

COHEN: Yes, so that is quite a bit.

BALDWIN: So how is this enforced? If you are, say, 17 and want to go tan, you have to show an I.D. and they just say, thanks but no thanks?

COHEN: They're supposed to say, sorry, we can't take you.

You know, what they can do is they can offer to give you a spray-tan instead. So, you go into a room and they'll spray you with a tan. So those places will -- can still make money off of you. And so -- but if they break the law and they do give you -- they do let that child in there, that teenager, they can have a financial penalty. The kid wouldn't be arrested.

BALDWIN: So, it is financial.

COHEN: Yes, it's a financial penalty. I mean, I guess eventually, it could become something more than that. But, you know, in the beginning, it would be a financial penalty.

BALDWIN: So, it's the tanning salon who's ultimately liable and not the kid.

COHEN: Not the kid, correct. But what's interesting is that in other places where they've done this, for example, in Howard County in Maryland, what they found is that, actually, salons were pretty compliant because there is something else they can offer the tanner. They can offer to spray the tanner so they will still make money off the customer.

BALDWIN: And I know -- you know, look, I've told my skin cancer story. I mean, total transparency, like I've never, you know, fake and baked in my life. But, I mean, I'm sure, there are some who can say, look, at 18, I can go to war, I can vote, can't I give a tan?

Just giving that side of the -- you can smoke.

COHEN: Well, you know, it is -- the government has a public health obligation to protect people. And so, in the same way that you're not supposed to smoke or whatever, you're not supposed to go out there and bake yourself. I mean, it's not just that person who's increasing their risk of cancer, we all end up paying for it because we all pay premiums into our insurance. So, we all end up paying for these people who put themselves into these machines and toast themselves.

BALDWIN: And so, this is California being the first state. And who knows what could happen.

COHEN: You know, historically, what California does, everyone else often tends to fall in line. If not everyone, many other states tend to fall in line.

BALDWIN: Interesting. And just because this is sort of near and dear to my heart -- I think just because we wanted to, guys, let me's throw up the picture. My team was amazing when I had a little bit of thing here, hopefully you can't see it anymore. But my whole team sported Band-Aids when I was rocking a Band-Aid all week after getting the procedure.

So, you can read my blog. And it's just -- you know, a lot of us have different stories with the sun. I have a bit of a love/hate relationship. And the idea of getting into a UV tanning bed just doesn't float my boat.

COHEN: Right. Doing it on purpose to yourself like that, I have to say, I don't get. But 30 million Americans use these.

BALDWIN: Wow.

COHEN: They're doing something we don't, right?

BALDWIN: All right. Elizabeth Cohen, thank you very much.

COHEN: Thanks.

BALDWIN: Still to come up, actually coming up right now, this one might surprise you. If you think of the typical school yard bully as sort of a bumbling boorish outcast, well, you may need to think of that again.

A study commissioned by CNN has found that the bullies are often the cool kids, are kids caught up in that cut throat race for cool-dom.

Here is Anderson Cooper today "in depth."

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They are calling me like gay, faggot, dumb ass.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I will get comments like you're a slut. You're fat. You're a whore. You're disgusting.

ANDERSON COOPER, CNN HOST, "AC360" (voice-over): Like a lot of schools in America, the Wheatley School has a bullying problems.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: They physically abused me, they mentally abused me, emotionally abused me and I've -- I'll admit it, I had thought of suicide in ninth grade.

COOPER: More than 700 students at Wheatley were asked very specific questions about aggression in their school like -- did a student at your school pick on you or do something mean to you? Did you pick on or do something mean to another student at your school?

The results were eye-opening. A key finding: bullies, what researchers called aggressors, are often also victims.

(on camera): Do you think somebody is an aggressor and somebody is a victim or do you think it crosses over?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Everyone is a bully and everyone is a victim.

COOPER: Everyone is a bully?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Every -- like you bullied, I bullied, whether you know it or not, you have bullied someone.

COOPER (voice-over): The study also shows why kid's bully. Sociologist Robert Farris calls it social combat, using aggressive bullying behavior to climb the social ladder.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's pretty much a race to the top. By getting to the top, you view yourself as one of the important people of your school, and that is -- that's the reason why bullying occurs.

COOPER: And the study found the higher they get the more aggressive and victimized they become.

Fifty-six percent of Wheatley students surveyed said they were loved in either aggression, victimization, or both. More than 80 percent of incidents were never reported to adults, and this is in a school district that takes the issue seriously. They have anti-bullying programs from kindergarten through 12th grade and awareness assemblies throughout the year. Principal Sean Feeney --

SEAN FEENEY, PRINCIPAL, WHEATLEY SCHOOL: It breaks my heart when they keep that all inside and we're not aware of it. So, you know, our goal, of course, is to try to reach all of our students.

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BALDWIN: Anderson Cooper, thank you very much.

I just want to let you all know each and every night this week, "Bullying: It Stops Here." It is an Anderson Cooper special report 8:00 Eastern Time, only on CNN.

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