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Remembering Andy Rooney; 'Bank Transfer Day' Seeks to Send Message to Big Banks; Herman Cain's Terrible Week

Aired November 05, 2011 - 12:00   ET

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T.J. HOLMES, CNN ANCHOR: We're at the top of the hour now, noontime on the East Coast. Let me hand it to Fredricka.

It's always sad to say bye to you, you know? We just get here, and we just get together, do our segment and it's time to go.

FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: It was a very quick hello and a very quick, brief good-bye.

HOLMES: Yes, but footing is starting.

WHITFIELD: Yes, I know, you're in a hurry, OK, LSU-Alabama, yes.

HOLMES: That's later tonight, but it's OK.

WHITFIELD: OK. OK. Have a good day.

HOLMES: See you, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: Well, you'll get that early start then. That's what it's all about. T.J., thanks so much.

All right. We begin, it is a very sad day but at the same time a life is being celebrated, a sad day for "60 Minutes" and many of us who have loved watching Andy Rooney for so many years close out that program. Rooney died last night from complications following minor surgery. He was 92.

Rooney got his start as a writer in the Army and spent nearly 60 years at CBS, half of them on the air. He always thought of himself as an ordinary guy who simply wrote about what he saw and read what he wrote.

His colleague Lesley Stahl called him "our poet laureate." Here is how Rooney signed off the news magazine just a few weeks ago.

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ANDY ROONEY, FORMER "60 MINUTES" COMMENTATOR: A writer's job is to tell the truth. I believe that if all the truth were known about everything in the world, it would be a better place to live. I know I've been terribly wrong sometimes, but I think I've been right more often than I've been wrong.

I may have given the impression that I don't care what anyone else thinks, but I do care. I care a lot. I have always hoped that people will like what I have written. Being liked is nice, but it's not my intent.

I spent my first 50 years trying to become well-known as a writer, and the next 30 trying to avoid being famous. I walk down the street now or go to a football game and people shout, hey, Andy. And I hate that.

I've done a lot of complaining here. But of all the things I've complained about, I can't complain about my life. My wife Margie and I had four good kids, now there are grandchildren. I have two great- grandchildren, although they are a little young for me to know how great they are.

And all this time, I've been paid to say what is on my mind on television. You don't get any luckier in life than that. This is a moment I've dreaded. I wish I could do this forever. I can't, though. But I'm not retiring.

Writers don't retire. And I'll always be a writer. A lot of you have sent me wonderful letters and said good things to me when you meet me in the street. I wasn't always gracious about it. It's hard to accept being liked.

I don't say this often, but, thank you. Although if you do see me in a restaurant, please, just let me eat my dinner.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

WHITFIELD: Andy Rooney. CBS correspondent Bob Simon worked alongside Andy Rooney for 16 years and later on in this hour Bob joins us to share his thoughts and memories about Andy Rooney.

Across America, growing anger at big banks and their rising fees. And some of those banks could be losing customers and their deposits today. Moveon.org is sponsoring a "move your money day." Another group (INAUDIBLE) a bank transfer day, organizers are calling on customers to pull their money out of big banks and shift it to credit unions. The bank transfer idea started with a California woman and her anger at big banks.

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KRISTEN CHRISTIAN, FOUNDER, BANK TRANSFER DAY: I started the idea myself. It began as a Facebook event that I sent to 500 of my closest friends, educating them to the powerful impact credit unions can have on our local community.

And from there they invited 500 and they invited 500. So now we are to nearly 42,000 supporters in less than two weeks.

Big banks, for far too long, have mismanaged funds and utilized unethical business practices. So it's time that we vote with our dollar and help restore our own local communities.

(END VIDEO CLIP) WHITFIELD: Overseas up to 100,000 protesters are expected to take to the streets in Rome voicing their opposition to the government of Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi amid a growing economic crisis. Many are upset, saying he is incapable of handling serious problems affecting Italy. Berlusconi could face a confidence vote next week.

And now to Greece, a country on the brink of bankruptcy. Prime Minister Papandreou met with the country's president today, just hours after barely winning a vote of confidence. He said he would do whatever possible to form a coalition government. His next objective, to push through an international bailout package.

But as CNN's Diane Magnay learned, some Greeks may not wait around much longer.

DIANA MAGNAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Break time at Athens's New York Business College, a bunch of students set on getting qualified, then quitting the country.

(on camera): Don't you feel that your country needs people like you?

DMITRIS TSIOUTSIAS, BUSINESS STUDENT: They do but there's no opportunity. People are closing -- stores are closing, strikes are making it very hard for people to even go to school and work.

MAGNAY (voice-over): His friend Hrack Altunyan thinks it's more deep- rooted even than that.

HRACK ALTUNYAN, COMMUNICATIONS STUDENT: If you take a Greek guy, a Greek guy who lives in Greece, he would do nothing. If you take a Greek guy, move him to Australia, move him to Canada, move him anywhere we want, he will do great things.

MAGNAY: There's a special course here on Greece and the crisis, an attempt to try and buck the trend and keep the young back home.

LEONIDAS BOURITSAS, PROFESSOR, NEW YORK COLLEGE, ATHENS: It's all about finding the presence of mind to go against a lot of what has been built and declare it debunked. It's something that only younger people can do.

MAGNAY (on camera): But it seems the younger generation feel the principles of democracy broke down long ago. They say they feel cheated by their own politicians, by their own parents and grandparents for creating a mess of monumental proportions that no one seems able to fix.

(voice-over): Talk to older generations and they will freely admit much of the blame lies with Greek society.

ALEX PAPAKOSTAS, FIREFIGHTER PILOT: And I believe that we have to earn our living. It was the last 10 years we were living with loans -- not only the last 10 years, since our revolution in 1821, we have bankruptcy five times, maybe more. And we don't get the lesson out of that. MAGNAY: In 1821, Field Marshal Theodoros Kolokotronis fought for independence from the Ottomans and won. Now Greece faces the option of dependence on European paymasters or a fate that may be far worse.

Sadly for Greece, many of the young who could fight for its future say they are not prepared to stick around.

Diana Magnay, CNN, Athens.

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WHITFIELD: How might Greece's problems affect you? Come back in the 2:00 Eastern hour and we'll tell you what you need to be doing perhaps with your 401(k).

World leaders pledge support for the Greek debt deal while at the G-20 summit in France. They wrapped up the meetings by unveiling a two- page action plan. But the plan is short on specifics. And leaders admit it will be hard for some countries to follow through as they try to get their own financial houses in order.

In Pakistan, a court has indicted two police officers for covering up the crime scene in the 2007 assassination of former Prime Minister Benazir Bhutto. The two pleaded not guilty to charges of conspiracy to commit murder. Their defense attorney is saying that all of that, five others with suspected links to the Pakistani Taliban also face terrorism and attempted murder charges.

And it has been a tough week for Herman Cain. We'll check in live with our political desk in Washington for the latest on the sexual harassment allegations against the Republican presidential candidate.

And mankind travels to Mars? Well, not quite. The cosmic game of make believe straight ahead.

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WHITFIELD: On the presidential campaign trail, Iowa took the spotlight last night as five of the Republican candidates addressed the Ronald Reagan Dinner in Des Moines. It's the Iowa Republican Party's biggest annual fund-raiser. Among the no shows, however, front-runners Mitt Romney and Herman Cain.

It has been a tough week with Cain facing a barrage of questions over sexual harassment allegations. But he is still at the top of the polls along with Romney. Earlier I asked CNN senior political analyst David Gergen how he thinks the harassment scandal will affect Cain's campaign.

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DAVID GERGEN, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: As it is, he's into this drip, drip, drip process. And, yes, it hasn't shown up in the polls. Yes, he's still getting more money. But I guarantee over time, this story continues for much longer, it will be very corrosive for his campaign. That's what -- everything in politics tells veterans that's what happens over time.

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WHITFIELD: All right. Let's turn to our CNN deputy political director Paul Steinhauser, who is in Washington.

So, Paul, what about David Gergen's comments saying that that campaign shows inexperience, it just took too long for Herman Cain and his camp to respond?

PAUL STEINHAUSER, CNN DEPUTY POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Yes. And their responses at first were changing throughout Sunday into Monday. So I think he has got a very valid point. And we have heard that criticism from others as well, Fred. You and Gergen were also talking about the polls. So let's take a look at that.

This is a ABC News/Washington Post poll, brand new, came out yesterday. This is the first poll that was conducted entirely after the controversy hit. Remember, the controversy hit last Sunday night, this poll was Monday through Thursday. There's Herman Cain basically tied at the top in the battle for the Republican nomination with former Massachusetts Governor Mitt Romney.

That's where he was pretty much in the polls before this crisis started. Go to the next poll as well and you can see here nearly seven in 10, and these are Republicans and independents who lean towards the GOP, the kind of people who will be voting in those caucuses and primaries which start in around two months, look at that, nearly seven in 10 say this controversy's impact on their support for Cain makes no difference.

I guess the problem is though that 23 percent, one in four, say that they may be less likely to support Cain. And in a close contest, that could be troublesome for Cain.

You know, yesterday he was right here in D.C., Fred, and he was at a conference, a tea party and grassroots fiscal conservative conference. He got some good applause there at the conference in fact. He got a more well-received applause, I think, than Mitt Romney, who was also speaking there.

And one other thing, Herman Cain's campaign says they have brought in $1.6 million since Sunday night. That's a lot of fund-raising. That's a good chunk of change. But, you know, as much as they want to move past this and get back to other issues that matter to the voters, until all these questions are answered, this story is going to stick around -- Fred.

WHITFIELD: So, Paul, Herman Cain, he wasn't in Iowa last night, it was pivotal, important for a lot of candidates. Instead he's going to be in Houston. Why is this that much more significant a move for him?

STEINHAUSER: Yes. Interesting that he wasn't in Iowa, neither was Romney, they were both right here at that tea party type summit. So that is kind of telling. And as you mentioned tonight, yes, he's going to be in Houston, Texas, for another tea party event. This is the Texas Tea Party Patriots. It's a debate between Cain and Newt Gingrich, the former House speaker who is also running for the nomination. And then later this week Herman Cain will be joining all of the other major candidates on Wednesday at a debate in Michigan, which will focus on the economy.

All of this as Herman Cain's campaign and the candidate himself tries to get past this story. We'll see if that happens -- Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right. Paul Steinhauser, thanks so much.

STEINHAUSER: Thank you.

WHITFIELD: Join us every Sunday afternoon, 4:00 Eastern time, when we dedicate an entire hour to the presidential contenders of the 2012 election.

So you're thinking of refinancing your mortgage, right? Well, we have some tips for you before you sign on that dotted line.

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WHITFIELD: A look at top stories straight ahead, including the death of legendary broadcaster Andy Rooney. His former colleague Bob Simon shares his thoughts and memories.

But first, with mortgage rates at an all-time low, you're going to hear a lot of people say now is the time to refinance. But how do you know if it's right for you? In this week's "Smart Is the New Rich," our Christine Romans chats with some experts.

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CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Bob, you have got a formula for me. What's your refinancing formula?

BOB MOULTON, PRESIDENT, AMERICANS MORTGAGE GROUP: It's very simple, Christine. You have to take a look at what it's going to cost you to refinance. If you have a $200,000 mortgage, and you're going from 6 to 4 percent, you're going to save about $200 a month. If it costs you $4,000 to close that refinance, you're going to be even in about 20 months.

So you have to ask yourself, are you going to be in the house for 20 months, if the answer is yes, you refinance. If the answer is no, don't refinance, don't waste the money, don't spend the money.

ROMANS: There you go. It also depends, right, on how long you have on the term of the loan, right?

MOULTON: Exactly.

ROMANS: So the more time you have on that loan, the longer you think you're going to be in the property, the more sense it makes to refinance. MOULTON: Right. A lot of people too are reducing their term, I mean, people who have 6 percent, 30-year fixed, are coming down to a 3.25 percent 15-year fixed rate mortgage. So they're knocking off 12, 13, 14 years off their mortgage. And there's a lot to be said for that.

ROMANS: But this doesn't magically happen overnight. You have to do some steps, Lynnette, to make yourself ready for this process.

LYNNETTE KHALFANI-COX, FOUNDER, ASKTHEMONEYCOACH.COM: That's right. You've got to get that credit together. That's one of the key points right now. Check your FICO credit score, myfico.com is a place to go for that. Get those credit reports, go to annualcredit report.com.

ROMANS: That's free.

KHALFANI-COX: That's free to do that there, obviously. Dispute any mistakes you have in the credit reports. Spruce that stuff up. Saving money, this matters, too. Banks like to see cash reserves on hand. They don't want to feel like, oh, we're going to lend to somebody who is cash-strapped, living paycheck to paycheck, or if they happen to lose their job, won't be able to make the mortgage payment and float it for three months.

So you have to do some preparation there to get yourself ready.

ROMANS: What are some of the mistakes that people commonly make?

KHALFANI-COX: The biggest mistake, by far and away, is a failure to shop around. If I had one bit of advice...

ROMANS: Really?

KHALFANI-COX: Oh, absolutely. To give to homeowners...

ROMANS: See, I was thinking of doing this. I just called up the person who has got my mortgage...

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KHALFANI-COX: And I bet you were going to go with your existing lender, right?

ROMANS: That seemed easy.

KHALFANI-COX: See, and that's the path of least resistance, and that's the path that's most expensive, frankly, as well. Get online, do some comparison shopping. Go to hsh.com. This is a great resource for your viewers. Hsh.com, it's a free resource where you can mortgage comparison shop.

You can find out the best rates and what's out there and available for you. You have got to make these banks compete for your business. Your existing lender, frankly, doesn't have much motivation to lower your interest rate from, say, X to X minus 1 percent. They already have got you in a contract for 30 years or whatever, right?

So make them compete. A mortgage broker is another option, somebody who can help you to shop around.

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WHITFIELD: A Texas judge beats his teenager daughter and the video is posted on the Internet. But he will not face any charges. Is this the end of the case? We'll hear from our legal guys.

And there they are, right after this.

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WHITFIELD: After 23 days of testimony, the fate of Michael Jackson's doctor is now in the hands of the jury. Let's bring our legal guys, Avery Friedman, a civil rights attorney and law professor in Cleveland, good to see you. And Richard Herman...

AVERY FRIEDMAN, CIVIL RIGHTS ATTORNEY: Hi, Fredricka.

WHITFIELD: ... a New York criminal defense attorney and law professor joining us from our Miami bureau. Good to see you as well.

RICHARD HERMAN, CRIMINAL DEFENSE ATTORNEY: Good morning, Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right, gentlemen. So one would think that jurors may have one decision to make, involuntary manslaughter, that they may have already come to a decision. But now we're going to be heading into day two of deliberations come Monday.

So, Avery, you first. They don't have to make a determination as to whether Conrad Murray caused the death of Michael Jackson, but contributed instead to it at least.

FRIEDMAN: Yes. You nailed the issue. The question is, do we have criminal negligence, extreme negligence? And, indeed, I think this is a very smart jury. They listen to Judge Michael Pastor, Fredricka. They have paid attention. They are asking questions already. They have deliberated almost eight hours. And the bottom line is I think they understand the instruction. If they do, there should be a conviction.

WHITFIELD: So, Richard, you have a problem with what Avery just said, what?

HERMAN: Well, they have to prove gross negligence, not just medical malpractice, but they have to prove gross negligence.

FRIEDMAN: Right.

HERMAN: And they have to prove that that gross negligence caused the death or substantially contributed to the death of Michael Jackson. Now, Fred, it comes down to this. No propofol drip, you must acquit.

If the propofol drip -- if they believe the drip was not there and the propofol injection that Murray gave was in his body for seven minutes, Murray had no reason to sit there. He could have walked out of the room. WHITFIELD: Is that the issue?

HERMAN: If Michael Jackson...

WHITFIELD: Is it not just that...

HERMAN: Yes, that's the issue.

(CROSSTALK)

WHITFIELD: Well, wait a minute, is it...

FRIEDMAN: ... Michael Jackson ingested it?

WHITFIELD: Or is it just at...

HERMAN: Yes, that's the issue.

WHITFIELD: ... the minimum -- at the minimum that this doctor had this propofol or any other litany of medications within reach at the disposal for Michael Jackson, whether he were to inject it himself or whether it were to be administered by this doctor?

FRIEDMAN: That's right.

HERMAN: Well, the issue, look, if Michael Jackson downed eight lorazepam pills and gave himself an injection when Conrad Murray was out of the room, this jury is not going to convict him. We don't know what happened in that room. But we don't know.

WHITFIELD: But, Avery, it's involuntary manslaughter. Involuntary manslaughter.

FRIEDMAN: Yes, I mean, he had a catheter in him. This whole idea of the defense argument that he somehow injected himself and then ingested all these things strikes me, based on the state of the totality of the record, as ridiculous. And I think the jury is going to be able to understand that. I don't think it's a close call.

HERMAN: The prosecutor stood up in his rebuttal at the end and said, you know, we'll never know what happened in to room. That's great for the defense, because the jury is going to be back there. The prosecutor doesn't know and they didn't prove their case, they must acquit him. I'm looking for a hung jury or an acquittal here. I've been saying that all along.

WHITFIELD: Interesting. All right. We're going to be talking about this again, I'm sure, next week.

Let's talk about Herman Cain, the accuser coming out now by way of her attorney saying, I don't really want to reveal who I am, nor do I want to elaborate on the complaint.

There was an agreement, we now know for sure, between the National Restaurant Association and this accuser, or maybe even the two accusers, Avery. Given that and given that Herman Cain was not a party to the settlement, so he in no way has breached an agreement because he has at least responded in different ways to the various questions that have come his way.

FRIEDMAN: Yes, but you know what, Fredricka, he has handled this in a Kardashian matter. I mean, he waited 10 days for Politico to -- basically ignored them, and then it turned into a monstrosity.

Look, here is the law. Under the federal law, Herman Cain could never be a defendant. Never. So all he had to say is, look at, I vigorously deny it, the employer, not me, the employer decided to pay off because it's less money than the cost of defense, I didn't agree with that. Case over.

But that isn't what he did. He flip-flopped and he created a monster that frankly was unnecessary.

WHITFIELD: OK. So we know that there's an agreement between this alleged accuser and National Restaurant Association, but there's another allegation, Richard, and we don't know if that agreement means that that accuser won't speak or elaborate, et cetera, do we?

HERMAN: Oops, he did it again. And I think, again, I think there are four separate complaints that we're hearing transacted back then. Look, Avery discussed it. He was president of the restaurant association. Complaints were made against him years ago. A settlement was reached. A one-year severance was given to this woman. He to approve that, Fred, please.

All he had to do was say, yes, I made a mistake several years ago. It's the past. And we move on. But when you deny it, you invite the scrutiny.

WHITFIELD: Yes, except the attorney yesterday, who was speaking on behalf of that one accuser, said that that case and that settlement came after Herman Cain had already left the National Restaurant Association.

FRIEDMAN: Right.

WHITFIELD: So perhaps we'll never really know.

(CROSSTALK)

HERMAN: But it was due to his actions.

FRIEDMAN: It was handled wrong, that's all, real simple.

WHITFIELD: Let's move on to this other case involving the Texas Judge William Adams, daughter posting this beating or disciplinary action on YouTube.

FRIEDMAN: No, beating.

WHITFIELD: Yes, well, I guess it's up to various people's interpretation of what it is.

FRIEDMAN: OK.

WHITFIELD: There is not going to be any kind of prosecution because there's -- a statute of limitations is out. But he is a judge for family court, Avery. So might the Bar Association step in and say, wait a minute, he either has to recuse himself from certain cases or might we even need to review cases that he has been involved in because now this videotape may show that there could have been some bias in some other cases that may have involved disciplinary action, beating, whatever the terminology you want to use?

FRIEDMAN: Yes, the civil and criminal statute of limitations have run. The Bar Association should investigate. My opinion, it's sadistic behavior. This is the Taliban, and they're letting him serve on the bench. Actually, I think the Bar Association should not only examine whether he should remain on the bench, but whether or not he has fitness to actually have a law license.

The other issue is the Civil Rights Division of the Department of Justice should really examine this, Fredricka, to determine if there are federal civil rights violations. This is a fellow that should not be on the bench, I don't think should have a law license. And we'll see what the Texas Bar Association does. That's the next step. That's what should happen here.

WHITFIELD: Interesting. All right. Richard -- and will there be a review of previous cases he may have overseen?

HERMAN: I don't think so, Fred. But this is a psychotic animal, this guy. He sits in the family court, his daughter had cerebral palsy. She was 16 years old and downloaded a music video so he took the belt to her and his wife stood there with another belt screaming at her.

Fred, please, you saw the video. This guy is insane. He was beating her. I mean, beating her. I don't care what state you're in. I don't care where you are. This guy has to be thrown out of the Bar. He is not fit to sit as a judge. He makes it a mockery sitting as a judge. I would spit on him if I saw him in person. And he has got to resign. They have got to grab his license. It's outrageous, Fred. It's outrageous.

WHITFIELD: If he doesn't resign, you say that it's up to the Texas Bar Association in which to take action.

HERMAN: Yes, he's not fit to sit.

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WHITFIELD: His words were...

FRIEDMAN: There's another angle.

WHITFIELD: His words were he admits to disciplining his child. That's the language that he used. So I can't imagine why he would want to resign now when he's standing firm in his actions.

HERMAN: Yes, he's not going to. FRIEDMAN: The local media, Fredricka, the main newspaper in Corpus Christi has called for his resignation. That's exactly right. He has taken leave. This guy should not return to the bench. This is Taliban, this is sadistic behavior. He does not belong on the bench. There is no doubt about it.

WHITFIELD: All right. Richard, Avery, thanks so much. We're not done with you guys. We're going to see you again in about 20 minutes and we're going to talk about some other cases involving your favorite, Richard, Lindsay Lohan.

HERMAN: Oh, no.

WHITFIELD: Yes, but we're also going to talk about one of America's favorite people, Andy Rooney. He has died. Bob Simon, correspondent with CBS News, is going to be joining us and he is going to be reflecting on the life and the career and the friendship of Andy Rooney.

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WHITFIELD: More memories and stories now about Andy Rooney, the legendary CBS journalist and commentator died last night at the age of 92. He considered himself an average Joe who wrote for a living. His "60 Minutes" colleague Morley Safer remembers him this way.

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MORLEY SAFER, "60 MINUTES": The person you saw on television was the real person. Nothing that Andy ever did was an act. He absolutely -- he, as you know, never tempered his thoughts. He said what he believed.

And the other thing I think that people should remember is that he was really a great writer and he was extremely proud of that talent, never boastful, never boastful for a minute about anything, but very proud of his talent. And I think that pride really came through.

WHITFIELD: Joining me now from New York, CBS News correspondent Bob Simon. Bob, you worked with Andy Rooney for some 16 years or so. So he was a very dear friend, not just a colleague, right?

BOB SIMON, CBS CORRESPONDENT: Yes, and there's one thing that Morley said that I don't quite agree with. Morley said that he's exactly the same on camera and off camera, and he was except in one way. I think people looking at him on camera might not realize what a nice guy he was.

He really was. When I joined "60 Minutes," and "60 Minutes" is not the easiest club in the world to join, he was awfully, awfully nice. He invited me to lunch. He would call now and then to see how I was doing. He was a sweetheart of a human being which didn't always come across in his commentaries.

WHITFIELD: Oh wow. So now that he went into minor surgery, were you and people who were close to him kind of blind-sided that he was not recovering well?

SIMON: Frankly, I wasn't blind-sided. And the reason is I've know a lot of guys who die quickly after they retire. It's just something that happens. I don't understand it. I don't know if any doctor understands it. But I've seen it happen before.

So when Andy left, I was thinking, I hope he has some good years ahead of him but I wasn't sure that he did.

WHITFIELD: Wow. At 92. He was a writer. And during his farewell that so many of us watched on "60 Minutes" a few weeks ago, he stressed that, I'm a writer. But he also talked about kind of one of the things that got under his skin that he wasn't that comfortable with is that he didn't like being recognized on the streets. Did you ever get to see that that was something...

SIMON: That's right.

WHITFIELD: ... that aggravated him?

SIMON: Oh, absolutely, whenever we went out to dinner together. Most correspondents love it when somebody comes up and says, I think you're great, can I have your autograph? Andy hated it. He just wanted to have his dinner.

The really -- I think one of the most unique things about Andy professionally is that every other correspondent in television news fills a slot. There is a White House correspondent, a foreign correspondent, and an anchor. And when they leave, they will be replaced.

Andy didn't fill a slot, he was Andy. And he can't be replaced. So his slot will be retired the way Joe DiMaggio's number 5 was retired. There is nobody else who can do it. I have no inside information but I'm confident that CBS has no intention of trying to do it.

The only guys I can think of who might be able to do it are Mark Twain and Will Rogers, but I'm not sure.

WHITFIELD: They are not available. So Andy Rooney, he had this very unique position, as you just described. Pictures did not tell his stories like most television correspondents would rely on pictures to help tell that story. Did he kind of craft this position to be that final punctuation of "60 Minutes" every Sunday? Was that kind of his own enterprise? Was it something that kind of evolved because of the character that was Andy Rooney?

SIMON: I think he just was most into it. As he said in his final statement, his final piece, which I thought was his finest moment, he said, writers don't retire, I'm a writer, therefore I won't retire. That's how he always thought of himself.

And he wrote for other correspondents because he was such a good writer. And then at some point he just started doing his own pieces. And being who he is, he became who he is. But he never thought of himself as a television personality, even though he was certainly one of the most recognizable people on television in the United States.

WHITFIELD: Bob Simon, thanks so much, and thanks for your reflections. And our hearts go out to Andy Rooney's family and the CBS family.

And we'll be right back.

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WHITFIELD: Uh-oh, now when you hear that song, perhaps your mind goes elsewhere. Teen star pop star Justin Bieber has been slapped with a paternity suit now. He is 17, the woman is 20. She says Bieber is the father of her 3-month-old boy. He says, nuh-uh. Let's check back in with our legal guys, Avery Friedman in Cleveland and Richard Herman in our Miami bureau today.

Oh, my goodness. You guys, how did this come to be?

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HERMAN: What did you say, nuh-uh?

WHITFIELD: Nuh-uh.

(LAUGHTER)

HERMAN: Unbelievable.

WHITFIELD: That was kind of rhythmic, I figured, you know.

HERMAN: Baby, baby, baby.

(LAUGHTER)

WHITFIELD: And who knew that the song that brought him this kind of fame would now be the subject matter of a potential paternity suit.

So, Richard, you first. She was 19 at the time, allegedly -- at the time. And he was allegedly 16 at the time. So she says, and her camp says -- her name is Mariah Yeater, by the way. Her camp wants a paternity test. But apparently L.A. is investigating whether there would be -- if this encounter would lead to a statutory rape case. So which one you want to tackle first, Richard?

HERMAN: Well, it's definitely statutory rape, he was 16, the age of consent is 18 in California. So she has admitted to a crime of statutory rape. Do they prosecute those? Usually they do not prosecute those in California, Fred. It's not going to be prosecuted. And it's a simple cotton Q-Tip swab of the inside of the mouth. There's his DNA.

Unfortunately he's probably going to have to end up giving a DNA sample.

WHITFIELD: Really?

HERMAN: Yes. I think down the road...

WHITFIELD: Should he be forced to do so?

HERMAN: Well...

WHITFIELD: Even if he and his camp, and they are already vehemently denying the claim, saying that the teen star never is alone backstage at a concert. And he also tweeted that he's going to ignore the rumors and focus on his music. So if there's this denial, then would he be forced to take a paternity test?

HERMAN: He's going to family court.

FRIEDMAN: Yes, I mean...

HERMAN: Yes, he's going to go and...

FRIEDMAN: Sure.

HERMAN: Go ahead, Avery.

FRIEDMAN: Yes, I mean, the hearing is coming up on the 15th of December, a simple swab. That will resolve it. You know, call me romantic, but she claims that she had this passionate tryst with Justin in the restroom, in the bathroom. How romantic, what a lovely story.

HERMAN: Thirty seconds.

FRIEDMAN: Look, I think this is a typical fan, bottom line, it probably didn't happen. But you've got to go through the process. And that will end on the 15th of December.

HERMAN: And by the way, Fred, we hear allegedly she accused a former boyfriend also of fathering this child. So in the end he may have defamation claims against her.

FRIEDMAN: It's all in the science.

WHITFIELD: Oh gosh, so this is messy.

FRIEDMAN: It's all in the science.

WHITFIELD: Terribly messy. All right. Let's move on to Lindsay Lohan. And she's going to need to start serving that 30-day jail term possibly next week. But, Richard, something tells me you still don't think it's going to be 30 days.

HERMAN: You know, Fred, the courts have struggled over the years to define obscenity. And it's an easy definition, Kardashian and Lohan, that's obscenity.

FRIEDMAN: Uh-oh.

HERMAN: Anyway, with Lindsey, she got 30 days, it's going to be reduced immediately to six days. She is probably going to do one or two days and be out. It's just -- abomination is not enough.

WHITFIELD: And, Avery...

HERMAN: We need a stronger word.

WHITFIELD: And, Avery, this is all over a probation violation, again, this going back to this $2,500 necklace. There is an incredible shelf life for this case.

FRIEDMAN: Well, she missed nine days during her community service. You know, look, I don't want Richard running around spitting on people. So I'm hoping that she does at least a day because he's pretty upset about this thing.

HERMAN: Yes.

FRIEDMAN: But actually there's going to be a hearing in March of 2012 to see how she does in the county morgue. I have to tell you, I want her it to be OK. I want her to get help. We disagree on the talent. I think she's terrific. I want her to get help. I don't want to see her in jail. But this is part of Stephanie Sautner, the judge, she is keeping a tight leash on Lindsay. Let's see if we can turn this around and rehabilitate this young woman.

WHITFIELD: I think everyone does agree, though, this is pretty remarkable. This is more than nine lives.

FRIEDMAN: It is.

WHITFIELD: She has had a lot of...

FRIEDMAN: It's celebrity justice is what it is.

WHITFIELD: A lot of second chances.

HERMAN: It's celebrity justice. If I have one of my clients in court like this, she gets the luxury to report next week for 30 days? If I'm in court with my client, they are taking my client to jail immediately.

WHITFIELD: Like right away.

FRIEDMAN: There's overcrowding in California, that's why.

WHITFIELD: Interesting.

HERMAN: Yes, but it's ridiculous, the treatment she's getting is not the same as a normal defendant gets. It's outrageous.

FRIEDMAN: Celebrity justice.

HERMAN: And she's just going to violate again. She'll violate her morgue stuff. You know she is going to violate it, that's the only way she stays in the news.

WHITFIELD: Oh my goodness. OK. Well, we're going to keep hope alive. Avery, do you want to sing us off to break?

FRIEDMAN: OK. Oh, good, good, I like that.

WHITFIELD: Yes.

FRIEDMAN: All right.

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FRIEDMAN: You dance, Fred, you dance.

WHITFIELD: No, I think not. All right, Richard -- nuh-uh, all right, Avery and Richard, thanks so much, good to see you again. All right.

HERMAN: Baby, baby, baby.

WHITFIELD: There we go. All right. Go, go, go. Thanks so much.

If you're a college football fan, you'll likely be glued to your television screen tonight, (INAUDIBLE) college football and game day weather when we come right back.

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WHITFIELD: A look at top stories straight ahead. Also this, mankind finally makes the trip to Mars. Not exactly. But stick around for an explanation on that.

So for college football fans, it doesn't get any better than this. Number one LSU versus number two Alabama. Reynolds Wolf, huge college football fan. You can't wait. And you have a forecast for all of these various games, but this is the big one.

REYNOLDS WOLF, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, as a kid, Christmas Day is a very big deal. For me this is kind of like Christmas Day. This is a huge college football weekend, no question about it. And two biggest games -- the biggest game that some people consider, is going to take place tonight at 8:00 Eastern time. The Crimson Tide of Alabama and the LSU Tigers. Two incredible coaches, they've each won national championships, Nick Saban and, of course, Les Miles.

Let me tell you, you brought up a really good point, Fredricka. You were talking about how a lot of these guys will be playing in pro football at some point. To tell you the truth, both starting lineups, they are so talented, there's a chance that all 22 starters could play pro football. They really could.

But there's also a handful of those guys who never will make it to the big game but still they're playing and that's exciting, too.

WHITFIELD: Yes. It's a big limelight nonetheless, I mean, this is the upper echelon of college football players.

WOLF: Absolutely. And some of these tickets are selling for thousands of dollars. I can tell you that they want perfect weather for today's game. (WEATHER REPORT)

WHITFIELD: The holidays are the busiest time to fly, and unfortunately the best time to get bumped as well. So how do you avoid that? Next.

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WHITFIELD: Checking some other stories now, mankind's journey to Mars simulated, six volunteer astronauts emerge from a trip to Earth's neighbor on Friday. They spent 520 days in isolation to simulate a mission to the red planet. The male crew lived in a tight space the size of six buses in a row. It's part of the European Space Agency's experiment to determine the challenges facing future space travelers.

A surfer and a couple of kayakers almost became lunch for a pair of humpback whales. Extraordinary images, it looks so placid and calm, and then all of a sudden out of nowhere, wow, going after krill or something, amazing video that was caught as it all unfolded. And the Coast Guard underscoring this notation thing, you know what, here is proof now that swimming where whales are eating just isn't safe, although it was pretty safe for them because they got to watch it safely.

All right. The holiday travel season is fast approaching. And Reynolds Wolf has some tips on how to make sure you actually make that flight to grandma's house in this edition of "On the Go."

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WOLF (voice-over): More passengers are finding that having a ticket may not be enough to catch a flight.

SARAH SPAGNOLO, TRAVEL & LEISURE MAGAZINE: Last year approximately 760,000 passengers were bumped from flights, that's a 10 percent increase over the year before.

WOLF: And as airlines continue to reduce capacity, expect even fewer seats for travelers.

SPAGNOLO: To avoid being bumped, get a seat assignment as soon as possible and arrive early or utilize the online check-in.

WOLF: Airlines are supposed to first ask for volunteers to give up their seats. So be ready to do some negotiating.

SPAGNOLO: You should make sure that the incentive sounds good to you and also be aware that money is often a better deal than a voucher.

WOLF: If you are involuntarily bumped from a flight, new regulations require airlines to give you to give 200 percent of your one-way fare if you arrive to your destination one to two hours late. More than two hours late, the compensation doubles to 400 percent.

Make the delay is worth it the next time you're "On the Go."

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WHITFIELD: Big banks could be losing big bucks today. We'll tell you what two groups are calling on bank customers to do.

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WHITFIELD: A look at our top stories, legendary CBS news commentator Andy Rooney has died. Known for his witty essays on mundane topics, Rooney said farewell to his regular gig on "60 Minutes" just a few weeks ago. He had minor surgery after that but suffered complications. Andy Rooney was 92.

Across America growing anger at big banks and their rising fees. Some of those banks could be losing customers and their deposits today. Moveon.org is sponsoring a "move your money day." Another group is backing a "bank transfer day." Organizers are calling on customers to pull money out of big banks and shift it to credit unions.

Don't forget to turn your clocks back an hour. Fall back. Daylight Savings Time starts at 2:00 a.m. Reset that clock before you go to bed. You don't want to wake up late for our "CNN SUNDAY MORNING" newscast.

All right, coming up later on today at 2:00 Eastern Time, we'll tell you how to dodge those high bank fees. At 3:00 Eastern, terror in Amish country. Gary Tuchman reports on bizarre attacks in the community. I'm fredricka whitfield, "YOUR MONEY" starts now.