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Former Penn State Coach Charged with Abuse; Michael Jackson's Dermatologist Speaks Out; Police Chasing Exotic Animals; Supernanny Jo Frost's Take on Child Abuse; Angry Cain Refuses to Talk Allegations
Aired November 05, 2011 - 22:00 ET
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DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: Right now, on CNN, child sex and a college football coach, a well-known one at that accused.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: They all went come out and say that this charity was a point for him to get access to kids.
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LEMON: It doesn't end with Jerry Sandusky. More Penn State University big wigs are facing charges.
Plus, animals gone wild.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I've got a long rifle with me.
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LEMON: New graphic details on those exotic animals that got loose in Ohio, and why police were forced to shoot to kill.
Plus, chickenpox, lollipops?
Parents, buying candy containing the virus online for their kids. Why?
And the Supernanny, Jo Frost. She's hot over the judge caught on tape beating his daughter.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is abuse and we've got to open our eyes up to this and we have to do something about it.
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LEMON: And that's just the beginning of her rant. It's all right here, right now on CNN.
Good evening, everyone, I'm Don Lemon. On a huge Saturday for college football, shocking allegations to report of sexual child abuse against a former coach for the revered Penn State Nittany Lions. And a pair of university big wigs are accused of covering it up.
You may not know his face, but if you're a college football fan, you do know his name. His name is Jerry Sandusky. Penn State's former defensive coordinator led away in handcuffs. Sandusky retired from coaching in 1999. Back in 1977, he founded a charitable organization for at risk children called Second Mile. He's accused of committing sexual assaults or advances on eight young men he met through that program between 1994 and 2009. In all, he faces 40 counts. Sandusky's attorney says he knew the arrest was coming.
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JOSEPH AMENDOLA, JERRY SANDUSKY'S ATTORNEY: He's been aware of these allegations now for over three years. He came back to state college voluntarily last night. The other hand, I've seen counts in cases like this where there are allegations of child abuse that involved hundreds of counts. So 40 actually in terms of perspective, in terms of the nature of the case and the allegations, it doesn't surprise me.
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LEMON: Sandusky is currently out on $100,000 bail. Also involved in this case, Penn State's athletic director Timothy Curley and Gary Schultz, the university senior vice president for finance and business.
Both are charged with perjury and failing to report an investigation into the allegations. Pennsylvania's Attorney General Linda Kelly made this statement.
"This is a case about a sexual predator who used his position within the university and community to repeatedly prey on young boys. It is also a case about high ranking university officials who allegedly failed to report the sexual assault of a young boy after the information was brought to their attention and later made false statements to a grand jury that was investigating a series of assaults on young boys."
And Penn State's President Graham Spanier released a statement reading in part "The allegations about a former coach are troubling. And it is appropriate that they be investigated thoroughly. Protecting children requires the utmost vigilance. Tim Curley and Gary Schultz operate at the highest levels of honesty, integrity and compassion. I am confident the record will show that these charges are groundless and that they conducted themselves professionally and appropriately."
One thing that we want to make clear here is that Penn State's legendary head football coach Joe Paterno is not facing any charges. The attorney general says Paterno did alert athletic director Tim Curley about one of the alleged incidents involving Sandusky in 2002.
In other news tonight, the hacking group "anonymous" now says it will not name members of Mexico's notorious drug cartel known as The Zetas. Hackers in Mexico had threatened to release the cartel members' names, Saturday, in retaliation for one of its members being kidnapped by the cartel. But on Friday, the group said the kidnapping victim had been released, bruised but alive.
CNN can not independently verify whether there was a kidnapping victim or if there was, whether the person had been freed. Anonymous members who wear masks based on the 17th British anarchist Guy Fox are better known for hacking into government and banking computers. It also identifies itself with the "Occupy" movement.
Now, we go to the trial of Michael Jackson's doctor in Los Angeles. Jurors are taking the weekend off as they deliberate the fate of Dr. Conrad Murray who's accused of involuntary manslaughter in Jackson's death. At the center of the case is a powerful anesthetic Propofol.
CNN's Jean Casarez correspondent with "In Session" in TruTV recently spoke with Jackson's former dermatologist. What he had to say was shocking.
Jean joins us now by phone from Los Angeles.
Jean, you've been covering this trial since the very beginning. What did Dr. Arnold Klein tell you?
JEAN CASAREZ, CORRESPONDENT, "IN SESSION" (via telephone): Hi, Don.
You know, I went over to Dr. Klein's house this afternoon. I just spoke with him several hours ago. And he definitely admits to some of the Demerol injections. He says that he was in the midst of rebuilding Michael Jackson's face, that Michael wanted to be the best he could be. He was a perfectionist. He knew this tour was coming up. So step by step he was rebuilding it.
It took time and it was very, very painful. But he says the evidence that was brought before the court and before the jury of the records of all the Demerol shots were not his in entirety because he was out of the country the entire month of May.
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CASAREZ: There were some records that three days in a row he would get upwards of 900 milligrams in 3 days.
DR. ARNOLD KLEIN, JACKSON'S FORMER DERMATOLOGIST: No, that's not true. It was not 900 milligrams in 3 days. Not that I gave him that I may know.
CASAREZ: Right. Right. And I'm not saying you. I'm saying the records.
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KLEIN: One day in may, I gave him medicine. The rest of the times in May, he got medicine from different doctors.
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CASAREZ: So he's saying that during the month of May when at one point three days in a row, he got 300 milligrams which would be 900 milligrams of Demerol. Dr. Klein said that he was in Paris, that the other doctors that were independent but they worked inside his office must have given Michael that Demerol, and then when he got back in the office in June, you saw it go back down to 100 milligrams.
So, Don, what he is saying is he believes that the defense is trying to target him because those were not all of these injections. They believe -- he believes that he's been a target of this entire trial. And why?
He says, Don, because he's different. And he says when people are different, they become targets. And he aligns himself with Galileo and also Michael Jackson, himself, saying look at the child molestation trial. Jackson was targeted just because he's a little different.
And, Don, I've reached out to Ed Chernoff, lead counsel for the defense to get their take on all of this and I have not heard back from them yet.
LEMON: So, Jean, I have to ask you, this was -- that was Michael Jackson was addicted to Demerol and other drugs, and also that he administered that fatal dose of Propofol, himself. That was at the crux of the defense's case.
What is this interview? It's interesting that he says this to you exclusively. Do you think this will have any effect on the defense?
CASAREZ: You know, I think, the point is probably not who administered the Demerol. The defense was trying to make the point that the Demerol was administered to Michael Jackson which produced side effects, which although were not part of the cause of death built up in his system.
But Dr. Klein believes, this is in prior trial, has tried to make him a target, a scapegoat. So that Dr. Conrad Murray will not take the brunt of what is due to him. He thinks it's horrendous that he was given Propofol in a bedroom such as that.
He told me that three different times, he tried to intervene because he said Michael Jackson was totally addicted to Propofol. And he said that he chartered a jet to Las Vegas when he knew that Michael Jackson was having Propofol. He went to The Mirage Hotel, kicked the doctor out who was in the midst of administering Propofol to Michael Jackson. He said he flew to Hawaii and slept on the floor of the hotel room with his own nurse because he didn't want Michael to have Propofol and kicked the plastic surgeon out that was giving him Propofol and then another time in New York.
And it was fascinating to listen to him, to get to know him a little bit. He's a very down to earth doctor and very kind person.
LEMON: And I should note, this is all your interview. This has not been presented into evidence during the trial. Of course, they rested now and that the deliberations are going on. So it should not affect the jury. The jury is not supposed to be watching the news coverage and all of that.
Jean Casarez, great interview. Thank you very much for joining us tonight.
CASAREZ: Thank you, Don.
Let's go now to "Occupy Wall Street" and those in the "Occupy Wall Street" movement will tell you it is no true leaders. But former New York Mayor Rudy Giuliani says he knows who's responsible. President Barack Obama. That's what he says. Giuliani says the president is inspiring the movement by fostering class warfare. The former mayor also described Mr. Obama's economic philosophy as redistribute the wealth which he sees as a key message of the "Occupy" movement. Giuliani's comments came at a summit sponsored by the conservative group "Americans for Prosperity."
Coming up later on on CNN. CNN goes in-depth and follows the "Occupy" movement. We'll hear from a reporter who spent 24 hours in its birthplace, New York's Zuccotti Park.
Imagine coming face to face with lions and tigers.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: A male called in that advised approximately 25 minutes ago, about a hundred yards from 70 headed toward south, he saw a large black bear.
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LEMON: Coming face to face with lions and tigers, that is exactly what happened when those 50 exotic animals got loose in Ohio. We have brand new video and new details from authorities about what exactly happened when they had to shoot to kill.
Plus, the star of the hit show "Super Nanny" is heated tonight all over this Texas judge who was caught on tape beating his daughter with a leather belt.
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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're living in the 21st century, Don. This is not the 16th century. We are fully aware of what the damages are. How it breaks down relationships.
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LEMON: And have you seen this crazy video? That's a helicopter. That's right. That crashed into a home in Florida. That story is next. (COMMERCIAL BREAK)
LEMON: Tonight, we have newly released audio recordings of police in Ohio coming face to face with wild animals.
Dozens of lions, tigers and grizzly bears were let out of their cages last month by the owner who then killed himself. The deputies' conversations were captured on their dashcams as they tracked the animals.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: One wolf, dispatch on the east side of the interstate.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I've got a long rifle with me, unless you need me to go somewhere else.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: There are still three lions running loose.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hear you shooting down there. You need to be careful towards the house.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: A male called in, advising me 25 minutes ago, 100 yards from 70 headed toward -- he saw a large black bear.
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LEMON: An official report on the incident says at times the animals were just a few feet away from police officers. One sergeant reported spotting a white tiger apparently eating the body of its deceased owner. All the animals were killed.
A viral video has set off a nationwide debate this week. When does a parent's discipline turn into child abuse? The footage that triggered it all shows a Texas family court judge beating his 16-year- old daughter with a leather strap. A warning, the clip is graphic and it's disturbing.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Bend over the bed. Bend over the bed.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Stop. Stop. Stop.
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LEMON: Parenting experts are in an uproar. Among them, the former star of the "Supernanny" Jo Frost has dedicated her life to helping to raise other people's kids. And she says the judge's methods in the video constitute child abuse.
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Jo frost, former star of "Supernanny." Let's not justify this behavior. There are alternatives of discipline in a child that allows you to have a healthy relationship with your children. Trust for you to be able to build your family dynamic in a way that's healthy and functional. And this is not functional.
This is people calling in, going on Twitter and actually justifying what we know is abuse. We're living in the 21st century, Don. This is not the 16th century.
LEMON: Is there any instance, any instance, where corporal punishment is acceptable?
FROST: I don't think so at all. I have clearly shown certainly in America for the last eight years where families who have been raised to think that corporal punishment is fine and have asked me to come into their homes. And I've recognized that parents have a choice in choosing alternative discipline that allows them to grow with their family and to bond. And it's not acceptable by any means at all.
LEMON: OK. People know you as the problem solver who has entered the homes of hundreds of families and turned things around, possibly thousands of families. If you were in this home, what would you have done?
FROST: I think the most important thing to do here is to understand that families need to be very clear in their communication with their rules and their expectations, and to understand that when we're dealing with 16-year-olds, it's about meeting those expectations and understanding that we can take away their privileges when they've broken those rules.
LEMON: When you see the full seven minutes of the video, the father is definitely very stern, scary to a lot of people. He is cursing. And he puts his teenage daughter down -- as he puts her down.
FROST: Yes.
LEMON: I want you to look at the clip, how he views what he did seven years ago when the footage was shot.
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JUDGE WILLIAM ADAMS, ACCUSED OF BEATING DAUGHTER: In my mind, I haven't done anything wrong other than discipline my child after she was caught stealing and I did lose my temper but I've since apologized.
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LEMON: OK. So he doesn't really have remorse. He has apologized.
So, how do children especially teens respond to this type of parenting, this severe scolding and here how he downplays it?
FROST: Don, he didn't apologize. He didn't apologize. He justified what he did. That's what he did. And he knows -- he knows now that there are certainly other ways in how he could have done things better. That's the point here -- that America needs to recognize that.
As a spokesperson for the American Society for Prevention of Cruelty to Children where we know that addiction and bullying comes from family who do not break this mold. This is what we're going to see. It's not just about laying down rules and expectations. It's about how you nurture a relationship. It's about how you build trust with your children. It's about validating their opinions.
LEMON: Well, Jo Frost is a spokeswoman for the American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Children. Which reports last year more than 1,700 kids died from abuse.
And Just Friday, police in Indiana arrested this father on murder charges. Investigators say Terry Sturgess bound his 10-year-old son with duct tape and beat him to death.
A Florida woman says she is grateful to be alive after a helicopter crashed into her house. The chopper went down today in West Palm Beach, Florida, hitting the woman's roof and car. A second home was also damaged. Amazingly the pilot and the passenger only suffered minor injuries. An investigation is now under way.
And Herman Cain wraps up a week he'd probably like to forget.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I don't know who's in charge of his rapid response team. It might be the same people who ran Charlie Sheen's career management seminar. It might be Lindsay Lohan's people.
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LEMON: More from my conversation with political satirist Bill Durst, next.
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LEMON: Tonight, the debate fireworks were limited to just two Republican presidential hopefuls down in Texas.
Newt Gingrich who is enjoying a recent upswing in the polls and Herman Cain, the virtual front runner who is coming off a very tough week with past allegations of sexual misconduct coming back to haunt him.
But it wasn't what happened during the debate that's got people talking, it's what happened immediately after.
CNN's political reporter Shannon Travis was there for the whole thing.
All right, Shannon, update us. What happened? SHANNON TRAVIS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, Don, it's clear that after a week of questions and claims surrounding Herman Cain, details and denials that he and his campaign are determined to move on.
As you just mentioned, the debate itself was much about entitlement spending but it's what happened after the debate at a press conference featuring Mr. Cain. Things got a little bit testy.
Mr. Cain was asked a few questions about the substance of the debate. But when it turned to the nature of the allegations against him, the allegation that he's denied, he got really testy. Take a listen and look at what just happened moments ago.
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HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: OK, if you all listen, if you all just listen for 30 seconds, I will explain this one time.
Could you sit --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's time for us to trade places, everybody, so Mr. Cain -- it's time for us to change places.
CAIN: You see what I mean? I was going to do something that my staff told me not to do and try to respond, OK? What I'm saying is this -- we are -- we are getting back on message --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Mr. Cain.
CAIN: -- end of story. Back on message. Read all of the other accounts. Read all of the other accounts. Everything has been answered. End of story. We're getting back on message, OK?
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TRAVIS: And, Don, there was more.
Herman Cain was asked by reporters, Mr. Cain, you're the presidential frontrunner in many polls, are you simply not going to answer anymore questions from reporters or specifically on this topic?
Take a listen at another thing that happened at that press conference when he basically scolded journalists, scolded journalists essentially saying, you know what, you're not doing your jobs.
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CAIN: Coming up within the next several weeks.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Excuse me, ladies and gentlemen, last question, please.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mr. Cain, one of the women who filed a sexual harassment --
CAIN: Don't even go there. UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can I ask my question?
CAIN: No --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Guys, no gossip.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Can I ask you a good question?
CAIN: Where's my chief of staff?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm right here.
CAIN: Please send him the Journalistic Code of Ethics.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Will do.
CAIN: All right? Who has -- you want to ask another good question?
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TRAVIS: A Journalistic Code of Ethics, basically saying that journalists are not following the code of their craft. It was something that he echoed in the debate, itself, where at the end of it, Don, he basically said that one of the biggest surprises he learned in running for president, was that journalists essentially make things up out of whole cloth. Don?
LEMON: Shannon, you'd think if someone gets to this position, they would understand how the media works. Does he really think -- does Herman Cain really think that he's going to get reporters to stop asking him questions because he simply says so? It just -- it doesn't work that way.
TRAVIS: Well, the Herman Cain campaign, they feel that the questions have been unfairly focused on the allegations and not on their claims to beat them back.
The Herman Cain campaign also is seeing a lot of conservative support. They've raised a lot of money in the past few days since the allegations have come to light. A lot of conservatives that I've spoken with have said, you know what, this is all just gossip. The organizers of the event, one of the reasons why they didn't want this brought up was because the organizers, themselves, felt that this was all too much about nothing. So the Herman Cain campaign on one hand feels that they've gotten a bad rap but on the other hand, they know that this plays well with their conservative supporters, Don?
LEMON: Yes. All right. Shannon, thank you very much. Appreciate it. Good report. Good reporting tonight. And it's going to continue to go on and on and on.
You know, Cain may not have wanted to talk about those allegations of sexual misconduct. But it was clearly the biggest political story of the past week.
I want you to listen to how Cain story evolved in the days after the allegations resurfaced.
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HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If the restaurant association did a settlement, I am not -- I wasn't even aware of it.
I am unaware of any sort of settlement.
I was aware that an agreement was reached. The word settlement versus the word agreement, you know, I'm not sure what they called it.
And yes, there was some sort of settlement or termination and I don't even know what the contents of that was.
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LEMON: Well, I was talking about Cain's slow recall earlier with comedian Will Durst. Take a listen to this now.
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LEMON: So Will, I mean, I think most people were scratching their heads. It seems like his memory is slowly being revived, doesn't it?
WILL DURST, POLITICAL SATIRIST: Well, it harkens back to actually Bill Clinton. It depends what the definition of "is" is. It depends what the definition of "agreement" or "settlement" is. And his story, I mean, let's face it, his story has changed more often than Mitt Romney's policies.
LEMON: All right, Will. Listen to Cain explaining the incident with the first accuser that he acknowledged. Listen to this.
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CAIN: Once I referenced this lady's height and I was standing near her and I did this saying, you're the same height as my wife because my wife is 5 feet tall. And she comes up to my chin. This lady is 5 feet tall and she comes up to my chin. So obviously she thought that that was too close for comfort.
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DURST: I don't know what the coming up to the chin has to do with anything. It's kind of -- the whole thing is, you know, what it boils down to, Mr. Lemon, is he said/she said, he said/she said /she said -- did I say cheese head? No. Go pack. But it's a classic case. It's hard. We can't pin it down.
LEMON: OK. So he held a news conference. And when I saw this and I said, did he really think that this was going to work? He had a press conference at a medical center last week and he said -- well, I'll let him say it and we'll talk about it.
(BEGIN VIDEOCLIP) CAIN: Let me say one thing, I'm here with these doctors and that's what I'm going to talk about. So don't even bother asking me all of these other questions that you all are curious about, OK? Don't even bother.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's a good question, though.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you concerned about the fact that these women do want --
CAIN: What did I say?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Are you concerned about --
CAIN: Excuse me. Excuse me.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Step aside, please.
CAIN: What part of no don't these people understand?
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LEMON: All right, Will, come on, did he really think he was going to face a bunch of reporters and not get some answers -- some questions about that?
DURST: I totally agree. I don't know who's in charge of his rapid response team. It might be the same people who ran Charlie Sheen's career management seminar. It might be Lindsay Lohan's people.
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LEMON: Political satirist Will Durst. Funny guy. Hopefully, he will be back with us here soon on CNN.
Former Olympian and boxing champ smoking Joe Frazier is in for the battle of his life. He's in hospice right now with liver cancer. The details are straight ahead.
The tooth of Beatles legend John Lennon is up for auction. Yes, I said the tooth is for sale. That story two minutes away. Stay with us.
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LEMON: Checking the headlines now.
Boxing legend Joe Frazier is said to be in a Philadelphia hospice seriously ill with liver cancer. The 67-year-old former heavyweight champion was diagnosed with the disease several weeks ago. Nicknamed Smokin' Joe, Frazier took on the biggest names in boxing including Muhammad Ali and George Foreman.
NBA players and owners are trying to salvage at least part of the pro basketball season. They are meeting right now with the federal mediator. The two sides are reportedly $100 million apart over how to split league revenues. Hall of Famer, now team owner, Michael Jordan, has joined the talks.
How much is a single rotten tooth worth? Depends on who the tooth belonged to. One of John Lennon's molars with a bonus cavity was sold at an auction today for more than $31,000. The buyer, Canadian dentist, who has written a book on celebrity teeth.
Oh, boy. Well, it may seem the "Occupy Wall Street" demonstrators are getting more attention for their confrontations with police than their anger against corporations. About 50 more people were arrested today in New York City. And if you check out this Twitter page, which protesters say keeps a tally, 3,200 occupiers have been taken in. But when officers aren't around, what is "Occupy" life like?
Well, CNN's Jarrett Bellini went in-depth, embedding himself at the site where "Occupy" originated, Zuccotti Park.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, I'm going to be here until I die. I don't know how long some other people are going to be here.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mike check.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mike check.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Mike check.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's falling apart. See the apple floating over there?
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Do you guys need towels?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All right.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So I'm charging this deep cycle marine battery by peddling this stationary bike. Then we're taking the deep cycle marine batteries all around the park wherever we need power.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I hate capitalism, as I eat a Burger King burger. They criticize the Cuban revolution, said the revolution eats its own children. If the revolution can eat its own children, I can eat Burger King.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Help people. Everybody's, why are we here? Why are we here? Why are we here? What are we going to do? Why are we here? I don't know. Maybe it's to help people out.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's all volunteer here. See a need, fill it. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're going to eat right now. It's dinner time. I would like everything.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mike check.
UNIDENTIFIED PROTESTORS: Mike check.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hi, everybody.
UNIDENTIFIED PROTESTORS: Hi, everybody.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Welcome to general assembly.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The NYC general assembly has been going on since 7:00 and it's currently 10:40 now. It will probably continue until about midnight as usual.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Good morning. It's about 8:30, Zuccotti Park. Lower Manhattan. And I just woke up out of my bed roll, had a little breakfast and I'm ready to occupy.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If they shut it down today, what would I do? I'd pack up my stuff and we'd both to my girl's parents' house for a minute and then just look for work and live life all over again, you know? It's going to be a good day today. It's always a good day. Got to make the best out of it.
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LEMON: So Jarrett Bellini is here. You survived.
I survived.
LEMON: Survivor, Zuccotti Park island. And you're back. 49 days into this Zuccotti Park.
What does it smell like? Don't answer that. Answer that after the break.
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LEMON: Back now to CNN in-depth. 24 hours of the "Occupy Wall Street" life. Jarrett Bellini joins us now.
So, Jarrett, we saw the story that you did. We saw that there were three toilets installed in the building near Zuccotti Park. We kid because we love -- we're joking when I said what does it smell like? But seriously, that's what people want to know.
What is the hygiene like there for people who have been there for 40 some days now?
JARRETT BELLINI, CNN PRODUCER: It's good and bad. When you walk around, there are people cleaning up and they are doing their best to keep it clean, at least the general area. I did go into a couple of tents, and I'll be honest, they smelled awful. I mean, yes, the one tent, there was probably 10 or 12 people living in. And it smelled terrible. I mean, there's no way around it. It was terrible.
LEMON: This is really weird. This is the longest time I've been outside New York in a while. And usually I would be in New York and I would go down to see it. You can't, when you're walking up, it's not like -- the odor.
BELLINI: I didn't feel like, oh, I'm getting close, I can smell it. It's not like that. But, you know, peek inside a tent and you'll wish you hadn't.
LEMON: OK. All right.
Do you have some new video of your experience? This one gives a look at -- gives you some idea of how people are earning money.
Let's take a look at that one.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You can't spoil my plan, not Batman, Superman, Spiderman, any man, you man, race can't slow my pace, I'm a Pacman. I'm eating all I can. This is how I'm supporting myself. I sell a politically motivated collection of books.
I'm here for $5 if you'd like to support the cause today, or if you really like to read, I have a collection of short stories that I sell for $10.
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LEMON: All right. So asking occupiers for donations probably not the most lucrative option. How are people getting by? How are they making money? How are they getting food?
BELLINI: There's a couple different ways. There's one gentleman I saw who literally walked around with this giant cauldron and would ask for donations. Another guy I spoke to, he said that during the daytime he pan handles on the subway. And I said, well, how much money can you make doing this? He said, oh, you know, 40 or 50 bucks. I just tell people I have diabetes. And I said, do you? And he said, no, but my mom does.
And I have to be cautious saying that, because you don't want to paint with a broad brush that this is everybody that's there, but he is there.
LEMON: OK. All right. Another interview of this man you found living in a tent with ten others for the last 40 some days. Here it is.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: How much longer do you think you can keep this up?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Don't worry. We're staying here.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You're not going anywhere?
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Nope.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There's no plans to go anywhere --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: If this ever ends, then I guess that's when we leave.
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LEMON: They're going to stay through the harsh winter weather in New York City. It gets cold in New York.
BELLINI: Yes. Some of them said, well, we made it through this storm and it's inspired us so we can make it. It was one storm and one night. And it's hard to say. Those living conditions were not good. They were cold. I mean, there's one -- I don't know if you saw it in the first video. There was a pool of water in this guy's tent and an apple was just sort of bobbing around in it. And I saw people sleeping outside that were soaking wet. It's going to be a tough winter.
LEMON: What do you think? You were there. Come on.
BELLINI: What do I think? I think it was -- it was fun. Kind of. It was sort of interesting. It's like bunging in a fraternity, you just never want to do it again. You know?
LEMON: All right. Jarrett Bellini, interesting stuff. Thank you very much. We appreciate it.
A giant Lego man, mysteriously washes ashore.
And incredible pictures of a python eating a deer. Those stories are coming up.
And tuck this away in the not so bright parent file. There's apparently a group of moms and dads that are giving their kids candy covered in strangers' saliva. I'm not kidding. It has to do with chickenpox.
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LEMON: OK. Remember this bizarre image, the Lego man figure, recently appeared on a Florida beach, but where it came from has been a mystery until now.
Jacqui Jeras has a possible break in the identity of the Lego man.
JACQUI JERAS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Oh my gosh.
LEMON: In tonight's Saturday night mysteries.
JERAS: We got to work on some theme music this weekend. I know. Lego man. How cool is that? It's like the dream of every 7-year-old boy. Right?
LEMON: All right.
JERAS: Walking down the beach and there's this giant Lego guy standing right there, right? Oh, come on. Who doesn't love Legos? Did you not love Legos?
LEMON: I love Legos.
JERAS: Well, we will start from the beginning real quick then for those of you that are just catching up. This was like a week ago on Tuesday. Siesta Key, Florida, that's right in Sarasota. All of a sudden there's an 8-foot tall, 100 pound Lego guy just happens to show up. And everybody is like, where did it come from? Who put it there? And the theory at the time was, well, guess what, Lego Land was opening up in Orlando. So, they're like, oh, a big publicity stunt, that must be what happened. Not so much.
LEMON: I was in Sarasota two weekends ago. I didn't get to meet Lego man, on the beach, too.
JERAS: Well, he's at the sheriffs department now. But you can see, OK, on the front of his shirt it says, "No Real Than You Are." But on the back, there you can see it, Ego Leonard.
So if you Google Ego Leonard, you will get to a Web site that's all in Dutch so you can't really translate most of it. But apparently somebody figured out that the URL for this thing is registered to the e-mail of a Dutch artist. And his name is Leon Curr.
So he was then asked, did you do this? He didn't say no. But he didn't say yes. Either. And apparently he was there. Sarasota has an annual, the Chalk Festival.
LEMON: So it just washed up ashore across the ocean?
JERAS: I didn't think -- there's the Web site. I don't think it quite made the trip all the way from the Netherlands all the way over here, Don.
LEMON: Yes. That would be quite some trip.
JERAS: Kind of fun, hey. But until somebody claims it, it stays in police custody by the way for 90 days. And if nobody claims it, the guy who found it first gets to keep it. He says he's going to put it on eBay.
LEMON: So, listen, what is that?
JERAS: OK this is story number two. Be patient.
LEMON: Oh, yes, ma'am. I'm sorry. JERAS: OK. For story number three, be patient.
Story number two, we'll get to next. Do you like oysters? Are you a fan of oysters?
LEMON: Yes, of course.
JERAS: You eat them?
LEMON: Yes.
JERAS: And you know, they are really like, all (INAUDIBLE) that's when you eat. Well, there's a big shortage. There's been a big die off of the East Bay oysters. Have you heard of this?
Escambia Bay, East Bay over there in Pensacola, Florida.
Well, apparently, it's been such a bad situation that they've brought in some state experts to research and find out. There's been a lot of speculation. People are saying, you know, could this have something to do with the oil spill that happened there? What's going on that all these oyster -- they're seeing just a fraction once they started harvesting these in October that normally they would get somewhere between 500 and 1,000 pounds every time they go and grab them. Guess how much they're getting a day?
LEMON: How many.
JERAS: Like 100. Not even 100. That's what they're lucky to get. So researchers have gone in there. They've done some testing. And unfortunately, the results are inconclusive.
Now they've been able to rule out things like environmental problems. So that means it's not the oil spill. They've been able to rule out disease. But they don't know for sure. So they're hoping to have some more answers in the next week.
A lot of the suppliers here, they're kind of telling us that they think it's going to be bad for maybe four to five years before they're able to restore some of these oysters beds.
LEMON: I hope it's much better. I hope it gets better since I love oysters. And I'm from the Gulf Coast. But we got to find out.
Do we have time for story number three?
JERAS: I think we do.
LEMON: Do we? Let's do it.
JERAS: We have to say that this story is not for the squeamish.
LEMON: OK, real quick, though. Let's do it.
JERAS: Because the reason why we come to it, it has to do with a python. Did you hear about the python that was found in the Florida Everglades that ate a deer? Yes.
This thing weighed like 139 pounds. It's 16 feet long. And I just kind of -- you look at the size of the head and you think how does this thing get in there? And I just wanted to use my little skull to explain that a snake's jaw is different than a human jaw. You know how we're connected here?
LEMON: Yes.
JERAS: OK. Well, a snake's is open and there's just a very elastic ligament in there.
LEMON: OK.
JERAS: So it allows it to move independently, and they're able to just kind of jimmy their jaw then around the side of this --
LEMON: I am changing the story. This head was found in a python.
JERAS: But it could.
LEMON: This very head.
JERAS: If it can swallow a 76 pound deer -- Don.
LEMON: Oh my gosh. It wasn't. I'm kidding.
JERAS: It could swallow an adult. And they've been known to swallow alligators, too. It's creepy.
LEMON: I'm sorry. I made that up.
JERAS: Scary.
LEMON: Thank you, Jacqui.
JERAS: You're welcome.
LEMON: Strange mysteries.
JERAS: It could happen to you.
LEMON: All right. Coming up, Vermont's governor says look the other way when it comes to illegal immigrants. We'll show you why.
And parents are given saliva covered candy to their kids all in the name of chickenpox. Those stories in two minutes.
Don't laugh at me, Jacqui.
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LEMON: Democrat Johnny Dupree is the first African-American to win a major party nomination for governor of Mississippi. If he wins, he would be the first black candidate to win state-wide office since reconstruction. But Mississippi is a deep red Republican state. Can he pull it off? I traveled to Hattiesburg to find out.
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LEMON: If you thought the Johnny Dupree for governor campaign would be celebrating, except for Johnny Dupree.
JOHNNY DUPREE (D), MISSISSIPPI GOVERNOR CANDIDATE: I got all the nation's duty calls.
LEMON: Couldn't win the Mississippi primary because he's a black man in a state stigmatized by racism. Because he didn't have as much money to spend as his white Republican opponent, Lieutenant governor, Bill Brian.
DUPREE: And you can fill in the blanks.
LEMON: But primary voters made history by making Johnny Dupree the first African-American ever to have a real chance of becoming the governor of Mississippi.
DUPREE: That's awesome, isn't it? Isn't it awesome that we live in a place called America that allows things like that to happen that have never happened before. Isn't it awesome?
LEMON: But is it realistic in a race where not much distinguishes one candidate from another. They disagree mostly over how to pay for universal health care and whether voters should show id at the polls. And those two ideas aren't enough to motivate voters according to retired political professor, Joseph Parker.
EMERITUS JOSEPH PARKER, PROFESSOR, UNIVERSITY OF SOUTHERN MISSISSIPPI: Most white voters in Mississippi vote for the white candidate and most black voters vote for the black candidate.
LEMON: Parker says to win as governor; Johnny Dupree would have to get all the black votes and at least a third of the white. He did it in 2001 when he became the first black mayor of Hattiesburg. But can he do it state-wide?
PARKER: If he does, it will be like Moses rolling back the red sea.
DUPREE: I'm going to talk to you about color -- green.
LEMON: The only color Dupree wants to address is money, something his state, the nation's poorest, desperately needs. Something his opponent has a lot of, outspending Dupree 7 to 1.
But Dupree is confident.
DUPREE: I have 100 percent chance of not winning if I wasn't in the race. But I have a 50 percent chance of winning because I'm in the race.
LEMON: Dupree has proven the polls, the pundits and the naysayers wrong before . But with this much at stake, can he do it again?
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LEMON: Election day is this coming Tuesday. November 8th. And we will be watching.
A big issue in some elections, illegal immigration. At several states, as several states impose tough crack downs on illegal immigrant, Vermont is taking the opposite approach. Governor Peter Shumlin has issued a new policy for state police barring them from arresting people simply for not having proper papers.
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GOVERNOR PETER SHUMLIN (D), VERMONT: Vermont farmers can't survive without workers from outside of America. That's just the way it is. We've got to keep our dairy farms strong. So we have always had a policy in Vermont where we kind of looked the other way as much as we can. And I just want to make sure that that's what we're doing.
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LEMON: The governor says immigration issues should be handled by federal agents.
A group of parents are reportedly intentionally infecting their kids with the chicken pox virus. Phoenix affiliate KPHO uncovered a Facebook group dedicated to trading live pox viruses. Members with infected children are reportedly sending infected lollipops and saliva through the mail to parents who want their children to acquire a natural immunity to the disease. Doctors call the practice dangerous saying complications of chicken pox can be serious.
Plus, some videotape of Steve Jobs has surfaced. We want to tell you about that. It is missing footage from the PBS miniseries. Those stories in two minutes.
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LEMON: Well, new this hour. An Herman Cain lashing out at reporters after his one-on-one debate with Newt Gingrich in Texas. Cain has spent the past several days defending himself against resurface allegation of sexual harassment dating back to the 1990s. That topic was off limits in this debate with Gingrich tonight, but reporters didn't hesitate to bring it up when Cain held a media ability. Afterwards Cain didn't like that one bit.
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HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: OK, if you all listen, if you all just listen for 30 seconds, I will explain this one time.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Could you sit --
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's time for us to trade places, everybody, so Mr. Cain -- it's time for us to change places. CAIN: You see what I mean? I was going to do something that my staff told me not to do and try to respond, OK? What I'm saying is this -- we are -- we are getting back on message --
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Thank you, Mr. Cain.
CAIN: -- end of story. Back on message. Read all of the other accounts. Read all of the other accounts. Everything has been answered. End of story. We're getting back on message, OK?
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LEMON: Well, Politico first reported the report claiming that two women accused Cain of inappropriate behavior when he was the head of the National Restaurant Association. Cain has denied any wrongdoing.
A new documentary on Steve Jobs hits select theatres later this month. According to "The Los Angeles Times" it is based on an interview Jobs did nearly 20 years ago. The footage was missing until recently. About 10 minutes of the 70-minute interview was used in a PBS miniseries.
That's it for us tonight. I'm Don Lemon. Thank you for joining us. I'll see you back here tomorrow night, 6:00, 7:00 and 10:00 p.m. Eastern. Good night.
