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Aired November 06, 2011 - 17:00 ET
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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, ANCHOR: The annual Muslim pilgrimage to Mecca is fully under way. Millions of Islamic faithful are in the holy Saudi City observing hajj. Saudi Arabia's news agency reports the pilgrims attending hajj this year come from more than 180 countries.
The mayor of Vancouver British Columbia hopes to shut down occupy protests in his city. He says the situation is becoming unsafe for demonstrators. A woman's body was found in their encampment yesterday. It is unclear how she died.
And back in this country, 19 occupy protesters were arrested in Atlanta last night. Another showdown with police may be looming.
Central Oklahoma gets rocked by the strongest earthquake on record. The 5.6 magnitude quake caused mostly minor damage, but no one was seriously hurt. The quake was centered near Sparks. But also shook Oklahoma City, 45 miles away.
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ED MURRAY, KWTV ANCHOR: Having an earthquake right now. Our lights are shaking quite a bit now. It is calming down as another earthquake has just hit. I still hear a few lights rattling in our studio. And we will -- we still have our -- if you can see our duratran (ph) back here, it is still shaking, hear in Oklahoma City. We do not know the epicenter as it just now happened.
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WHITFIELD: All right, and that was the second one this weekend. So let's find out what's going on in Oklahoma. Jacqui Jeras in the weather center now explain this. This is very unusual.
JACQUI JERAS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: It is somewhat unusual, yes. This is the strongest one that they have ever had in recorded history. So, to get something this powerful to cause that kind of damage, pretty significant, I can't believe how calm that anchor was, by the way. I think I would be getting under the desk.
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JERAS: We have video to show you in addition to some damage to some homes and some chimneys, you can see a road was buckled. This was in three different places here. There were no serious injuries, so that's the good news. But, you know, 5.6 can cause some serious damage. And since that time, we have also had quite a few aftershocks.
In fact, there have been over 30 aftershocks reported in the area as we zoom in to show you this. Most have been pretty weak, however. And those dots, by the way, it shows you the area compared to where the epicenter was, a 5.6 late last night and early in the morning yesterday is when you had the 4.7, the strongest one prior to this time happened back in 1952, around El Reno.
Now, there are a couple of smaller faults, believe it or not, in Oklahoma. And they get on average anywhere between you know 50 to about 100 earthquakes per year. And here is one of those known faults. It is called Mears fault, but you can see it was not along that one.
Last but not least, Fredricka, just to show you, people really felt this all over the place from Texas, stretching all the way up to Iowa and Illinois, across Missouri. So, a lot of people certainly felt it, thankfully, nothing more serious. But those aftershocks will continue for weeks and probably months.
WHITFIELD: Yes. And that's really the unsettling thing for so many people too often.
JERAS: Yes.
WHITFIELD: All right, Jacqui thanks so much.
All right, more than 100,000 homes and businesses in Connecticut are still without power after last weekend's freak snowstorm. The governor has sent National Guard troops to help utility crews and he wants the state attorney general to join in the investigation of what he calls the inadequate response by the state's largest power company.
On CBS tonight, a tribute to legendary broadcaster Andy Rooney who died Friday night at the age of 92. "60 minutes" will end its broadcast with a segment honoring Rooney. Morley Safer will be carrying out that tribute.
The national basketball association has put a deal on the table to end the lockout and pro basketball players have until Wednesday to accept it. The players association rejected the proposal yesterday, but the NBA is hoping it will reconsider. No new talks are scheduled.
A former Penn state coach is at the center of a child molestation scandal. Jerry Sandusky, former defensive coordinator for the Nittany Lions, denies sexually assaulting young boys. Two school officials charged with perjury are expected to turn themselves in tomorrow.
Our Susan Candiotti is looking into this very complex investigation, Susan.
SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Fred. You know, it is complex and troubling. But just -- not just because the allegations against the legendary assistant coach are graphic, but because the grand jury alleges two university officials could have done more to stop him before he came in contact with several other alleged victims.
67-year-old Jerry Sandusky is accused of sexually assaulting at least eight boys over a 15-year period, some as young as 11 years old, at several locations including Penn state locker rooms.
Pennsylvania's attorney general says the boys were all part of a mentoring program for boys called second mile that Sandusky himself founded. Also charged Timothy Curly, the current Penn state athletics director, and Gary Schultz, the university's senior VP for finance. They're accused of failing to report the alleged sex assault of a young boy to police and then lying about it to a grand jury.
What happened according to the grand jury report is that a grad assistant with the football team testified, he saw Sandusky having sex with a boy in a locker room shower, reported it to head coach Joe Paterno. Paterno told the university athletic director, but authorities were never told of the incident. Paterno is not accused of any criminal wrongdoing and cooperated with the grand jury. Some however are calling for Paterno to step down and question what the possible victims must think now.
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MIKE WISE, SPORTS COLUMNIST, WASHINGTON POST: I can't imagine how many now think to themselves, did the coach know? Did JoePa, the great JoePa know that his defensive coordinator was keeping young boys in his company and what he was doing to them? That, to me, if I'm an abused victim, that's what I'm asking today. How many people knew about Jerry Sandusky in the Penn state program?
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CANDIOTTI: Penn state's president issued a statement calling the allegations against Sandusky troubling, but defends the university's actions. "Tim Curly and Gary Schultz have my unconditional support. I have complete confidence in how they handled the allegations against a former university employee." Sandusky surrendered yesterday and is out on bail. Through his attorney, he denies the charges.
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JOSEPH AMENDOLA, JERRY SANDUSKY'S ATTORNEY: Jerry is very, very depressed. He's very upset. He's very distraught about the charges, the allegations. And the knowledge that regardless of whether he eventually prove his guilt or innocence that people are going to think that he did this stuff.
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CANDIOTTI: Two Penn state officials as we said are expected to surrender tomorrow. And the attorney general says the investigation is far from over, Fred.
WHITFIELD: All right, Susan Candiotti thanks so much, from New York.
All right, more on our top story now. A European prime minister is resigning. He says it is the only way to keep his country from falling into bankruptcy. I'm talking about Greece. We have just heard from the president's office about Prime Minister George Papandreou's intention to leave office on one condition.
CNN's Diana Magnay joins us live. So, Diana what is that condition?
DIANA MAGNAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi, Fredricka. Well, it has been a weekend really of intense political wrangling as the opposition party and George Papandreou try to thrash out whether or not to go ahead with a new government. And what has now been decided after a late night meeting with the president, the leader of the opposition and George Papandreou is that as you say, he will step down. A new government will be appointed, and that government will basically tide the country over until elections and be behind the implementation of the bailout that was agreed by European leaders on October 26th to try and save Greece from bankruptcy.
George Papandreou had said I cannot have early elections. I will not step down until I am convinced that the mechanism, the government is in place to make sure that we can stick to the terms of the bailout because otherwise, we're lost. That's pretty much what Europe has said to Greece. If you don't get your government united behind the terms of this bailout, then, you know, you might be out there on your own.
So, this is what George Papandreou was fighting for and it seems as though there is an agreement. Basically, these two parties have refused to agree for months now. And now at least they say we are agreed that there will be a new government tomorrow, it will not be led by George Papandreou, and we will be holding meetings again tomorrow morning to try and hammer out who exactly the new cabinet will be, what this new government will be, who the new leader will be, but some things are certain, there will be one and it won't be led by George Papandreou. Fredricka.
And so Diana is there a likely succession of who would replace Papandreou?
MAGNAY: Well, there are some names that have been bandied around by the Greek media. And I think what is important to note about both those two names is that they're both kind of elderly states men who haven't been muddied by the kind of political posturing that has been going on within the two parties over the last few months.
One of them is a career diplomat in his 80s from the opposition, new democracy party. The other is a former vice president of the European central bank and close adviser to George Papandreou. So, they could both be perceived, both within the country and outside, as kind of figures of national unity rather than people who are too closely enmeshed with parties that people effectively lost faith in here. But having said that, we might be surprised, it might be someone completely different. So, we'll have to sort of wait to see, but those are the two names in the fray right now. Diana Magnay thanks so much from Athens.
It is a home fit for a future king. Britain's new royal couple, Will and Kate, have picked out a place to live, in London.
And it has been 20 years since an earth shattering moment in pro sports history. It involves that recognizable man right there, and a shocking announcement about his health.
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WHITFIELD: All right, live pictures now, protesters are urging president Barack Obama to block the construction of a transnational pipeline. To make their point, they staged a demonstration at the White House there. The keystone XL pipeline would carry crude oil from Alberta, Canada, to Texas, the $7 billion project would create thousands of jobs, but protesters say it could also contaminate drinking water.
Herman Cain's bid to put sexual harassment allegations behind him has gotten a lot of attention in the political arena. And it was a hot topic on the Sunday morning talk shows. Here are the highlights.
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HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Don't even bother asking me all of these other questions.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: I talked to a Republican this week who said, after the events, is he disqualified, unqualified, or will the conservative base just love him more?
JON HUNTSMAN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: That's totally up to Herman Cain, a person I've come to know as a decent, decent man and good candidate. And now it has been said over and over again, it is up to Herman Cain to get the information out and get it out in total, but that's important because we have got some real issues to discuss in this campaign and this is taking all the bandwidth out of the discussion.
RES. RON PAUL (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: These problems that he had now, I don't think -- I think the media has blown that way out of proportion. I think there are a thousand stories out there. And I think it dilutes the real debate.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: The gentleman from New York has 30 seconds remaining.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: A year now into the new congress, what is your biggest regret then?
REP. JOHN BOEHNER (R), HOUSE SPEAKER: I really thought the president and I could come to an agreement. And I thought for the good of the country, he and I could have solved this problem. We could have passed a significant bill to reduce our long-term obligations. Because we have made promises to ourselves that our kids and grandkids cannot afford. And we have to deal with it.
GOV. MARTIN O'MALLEY (D), MARYLAND: It is becoming clear over time, as the president puts forward proposals that had been accepted in the past by Democrats and Republicans alike, is that we have a very, very obstructionist wing of the Republican party who has been very successful at keeping the president from accelerating this jobs recovery as quickly as he would like.
UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE REPORTER: Do you think the United States, the Obama administration, has to ratchet up the confrontation tags?
CONDOLEEZZA RICE, FORMER SECRETARY OF STATE: Yes, I think it is time to confront the Iranian regime because it is the poster child for state sponsorship of terrorism. It is trying to get a nuclear weapon. It is repressed its own people. The regime has absolutely no legitimacy left. We should be doing everything we can to bring it down and never take military force off the table.
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The GOP candidates for president meet for two more debates this week. Our deputy political director Paul Steinhauser joins us for a political look ahead.
PAUL STEINHAUSER, CNN DEPUTY POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Hey, Fred. Mitt Romney returns to Iowa tomorrow. The Republican presidential candidate hasn't spent a heck of a lot of time stumping in the state that kicks off the primary caucus calendar. But regardless, the most recent polls indicate the former Massachusetts governor is tied with businessman Herman Cain for the lead in the hawk Iowa State.
Now, Romney went big in Iowa four years ago when he made his first bid for the White House and the strategy back fired on him. The question is tonight, is whether Romney will he go big again in.
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MITT ROMNEY (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I'll be here again and again, campaigning here. I want to get the support of the good people of Iowa. I'd love to win in Iowa.
STEINHAUSER: Wednesday, the candidates team up in a debate for the first time since our CNN showdown last month in Las Vegas. The CNBC debate in Michigan will focus on the economy. The candidates share the stage again on Saturday night in South Carolina for a debate that focuses on foreign policy and national security. Fred?
WHITFIELD: All right, thanks so much, Paul.
We're looking at faith and the presidential campaign in about 15 minutes from now. CNN's religion editor joins me with a look at impact Rick Perry's beliefs had on his decision to run for the White House.
Six months after Britain's Prince William and Kate Middleton tied the knot, they actually picked out a home in London or a home has been picked out for them. They'll move to an apartment in Kensington palace that was the home of Queen Elizabeth's late sister, Princess Margaret. But the move will take some time. A lot of work including asbestos removal has to be done.
Ralitsa Vassileva is here from CNN International is here. So Ralitsa, how far away are we talking for those renovations to be completed?
RALITSA VASSILEVA, CNNI CORRESPONDENT: Well, they say two years because first they have to wait for an exhibit to end in September because it has been open to the public since the year 2004. So a charity has been operating exhibits, using it for storage, so once the exhibit ends, in September, they'll start the repairs, as you mentioned that got a lot of repair work to do, asbestos removal, there is some -- a lost work to be done on the heating, on the electrical system. So it is going to take a while.
WHITFIELD: So, they need to make it livable. OK, well, this is a building with, you know, great historical relevance.
VASSILEVA: Absolutely.
WHITFIELD: And it is grand and big and, you know, won't be like some quaint little cozy apartment they'll be living in. It is funny how they call it an apartment. It is more like a wing they'll be living in, right?
VASSILEVA: Very good description. It is a wing. It is four stories of apartments. We are hearing that it is 20 rooms. They can seat 40 people for dinner or 60 standing people for dinner. So it is -- it is big. It is big.
WHITFIELD: That's pretty big. So, Will and Kate will be living in a wing of Kensington palace, but then so will brother, Harry, right?
VASSILEVA: He's going to take over the cottage, on the same premises, two bedroom cottages that they're living right now in and when they move in two years to the bigger wing. So they'll still be in the same palace, so to speak, but in different apartments, or as you say, wings.
WHITFIELD: And one of these units will be the same location where they spent some significant time as little ones, right, with Charles and Diana.
VASSILEVA: Yes. They lived there when they were little boys with their mother, but it won't be the same apartment. It will be a different wing. They lived in one wing with their mother. But it will be a different one. But, still, lots of memories there for them.
WHITFIELD: Yes. Interesting. They have to wait a whole couple of years. It is funny that they would make an announcement two years out that this is going to eventually be their place of residence. We have to do some renovations.
VASSILEVA: Well, it took them a while to pick it out. And the queen herself had to intervene. WHITFIELD: Who picked it out? Will and Kate got to pick it out?
VASSILEVA: Yes.
WHITFIELD: It wasn't picked out for them, by the queen?
VASSILEVA: Well, that's what they say. That's what they say.
WHITFIELD: OK.
VASSILEVA: But they say they loved it. Kate loves it. She loves -- there is a big walled I walled in garden. She loves gardening. And she is going be decorating the place. There's a lot of torques and things going on there, Princess Margaret who lived there for 40 years that those were her favorite colors. So, there will be changes probably.
WHITFIELD: Wow. I can't imagine they would opt to live anywhere else, you know? Nice free digs for the royals.
VASSILEVA: It is a beautiful building. They'll be paying for the decorations, actually.
WHITFIELD: Oh, really?
VASSILEVA: While the structural changes and all the other things will be taxpayer money will be used for the structural repairs. Like the electrical, the hot water, all that stuff.
WHITFIELD: All right, fantastic. That's very exciting. Can't wait for two years, maybe before that when we all get to do a virtual tour of it.
VASSILEVA: That would be nice.
WHITFIELD: I know.
VASSILEVA: All 20 rooms, four stories.
WHITFIELD: We'll hope you can bring that to us.
VASSILEVA: I would love to.
WHITFIELD: All right, thanks so much.
All right, how many of you remember this moment?
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EARVIN "MAGIC" JOHNSON, FORMER NBA PLAYER: Because of HIV virus that I have attained, I will have to retire from the Lakers.
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WHITFIELD: Isn't it hard to believe that was 20 years ago?
Up next, a look at Magic Johnson's life since that announcement.
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WHITFIELD: Perhaps you need a little cash, extra cash for the holidays? How does a thousand dollars sound? Coming up, we'll show you what to do over the next seven weeks to make that happen.
It is the 20th anniversary of a water shed moment in professional sports. November 1991, Earvin "Magic" Johnson announced he was infected with the virus that causes aids.
CNN's Mark McKay looks back at that momentous day and the decades in magic Johnson's life that followed.
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MARK MCKAY, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Earvin "Magic: Johnson entered the NBA as a 20-year-old rookie and took the league by storm. During his first 12 years with the Los Angeles Lakers, Johnson won five NBA championships, three league's most valuable player awards, and was an all-star in 11 of those 12 seasons. Then in a flash, it ended.
JOHNSON: Because of the HIV virus that I have attained, I will have to retire from the Lakers today.
MCKAY: The news rocked sports world. But Johnson was determined to face this new challenge head-on.
JOHNSON: Your back is against a wall and I think you just have to come out swinging and I'm swinging. I will now become a spokesman for the HIV virus. I guess now I get to enjoy some of the other sides of living.
MCKAY: Johnson returned to the court three months later to play in the 1992 NBA all-star game, where he was named most valuable player. He was also a member of the famed dream team that won the Olympic gold medal later that summer in Barcelona.
But Johnson's attempt to return to the NBA in September of '92 was short lived. Several players, most notably, his Olympic team Karl Malone, voiced concern about playing against an HIV infected player.
Johnson would attempt one more comeback in January of 1996.
JOHNSON: I didn't think I went out the way I wanted to go out before, and that's the reason I'm back.
MCKAY: Johnson played in 32 games in '96, retiring for the final time at the end of the season. Today he's a business executive, an NBA television analyst, the head of a foundation whose efforts revolve around HIV/AIDS education, and perhaps more importantly, he's a husband, a father, and a grandfather.
It has been 20 years since that stunning news, and magic is still going strong.
Mark McKay, CNN, Atlanta.
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WHITFIELD: And in other sports news, former heavyweight boxing champion Joe Frazier has liver cancer. Frazier's manager says the 67- year-old is seriously ill and in currently in hospice care in Philadelphia. He was diagnosed last month. Fight fans will remember Frazier was first man to beat Muhammad Ali back in 1971 but then lost two later bouts with Ali.
A legendary performer Andy Williams says he's suffering from bladder cancer. Williams broke the news to concertgoers last night during a Christmas concert in Branson, Missouri. Andy Williams is 83. He has been singing professionally since childhood.
Frozen in time. It is one of the most visually arresting images of the American civil rights movement. Two young women, one black, one white, I'm about to talk to a man who met both of them and wrote a book about how they feel about each other today.
And Rick Perry's religion, is it private or public matter? (Inaudible). The presidential politics of faith, coming up.
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WHITFIELD: A look at our top stories now.
CNN learned that Greece's prime minister will step down on the condition that a drastic and unpopular bailout deal go through parliament. The Greek president released a statement a short time ago. George Papandreou and opposition leaders will meet tomorrow to decide who will run the government until elections can be held.
In Thailand, the death toll has topped 500 from the country's worst flooding in a half a century. Floodwaters are now entering toward downtown Bangkok and authorities had ordered a fifth of the city evacuated.
They're cleaning up in central Oklahoma from the strongest earthquake on record there. The 5.6 magnitude quake hit right before midnight Eastern time. No one was seriously hurt, but some homes and businesses were damaged. And at least three sections of a U.S. highway buckled. People from Texas to Iowa felt the quake, which has triggered at least 30 aftershocks.
Every week, CNN.com's belief blog takes an in depth look at the religion of a 2012 presidential hopeful. And this week the focus is on Texas Republican Governor Rick Perry. He has made his faith a centerpiece of his presidential bid.
Dan Gilgoff is a CNN.com's religions editor and Dan got a chance to talk with Anita Perry about religion and where that -- where that is on the hierarchy of importance for Rick Perry. And was she a reluctant subject for this conversation or was this something that she very quickly agreed to? DAN GILGOFF, RELIGION EDITOR, CNN.COM: Well, she agreed to the interview, but I don't think she was that enthusiastic about it. I think that reveals a dynamic that is very important on the campaign. That is that the Perry's are very comfortable talking about the religion when speaking to a Christian audience.
I talked to some religious activists in the Republican party who were astounded that the Perry's spent seven hours with them over the course of two days a couple of months ago shortly after he announced his campaign. And you know when she's talking or when the Perry's are talking to a secular audience, they're a lot less comfortable about it. They don't want to be branded as a Christian candidate or conservative Christian candidate. And so, I think we are going to listen to what she told me when I asked her about her faith recently.
WHITFIELD: OK.
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ANITA PERRY, RICK PERRY'S WIFE: Well, I think it probably had to do with that awakening you mentioned in 1977 and since then he has grown in that. And I think truly if you -- if you do that, if you have that in your heart, you need to go in whatever you do, whether you're a teacher, a doctor, a minister, and so that's what he did, and, yes, he probably is more spiritual than people think, because we tend to take that very privately.
When I talk about my faith, I become very emotional. When I talk about my family, I become very emotional. So it is not something that we, you know, blast out there. It is something that we tend to have more -- be more private about. And I just think that's everybody's personal choice, that tends to be -- that is our choice. That is my choice, that's his choice.
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WHITFIELD: Hmm. Very interesting. She doesn't seem at all reluctant. And we saw her just, you know, maybe about a month ago when she took to the microphones and as if she wanted to clarify the image of Rick Perry. She didn't like the way he was being treated.
GILGOFF: Right, yes. I think it is really telling in this clip. She talks about this year, 1977, and this was a year, Rick Perry had been raised in this tiny little central Texas town called Pain Creek.
In 1977, he was done with college, had gone off and served four years in the air force. He was flying his huge cargo planes around the world. And he comes home to tiny little Paint Creek and he's back helping, you know, on the family farm with his dad, is it seemed like quite a demotion. And he talks about this to Christian audiences although not secular audiences, that provoked a spiritual crisis. He talks about wrestling with God and he talks about ultimately being saved from that experience by accepting God into his life and he talks about being called to ministry. But for him, ministry didn't mean becoming a priest or a Pastor. It meant becoming a politician and politics became his pulpit. WHITFIELD: Why was that important for him to kind of expound on this turning point of his life.
GILGOFF: Well, I think that you know to establish credibility with Christian voters. But you got to understand that at this point, Mitt Romney has so much with the Republican establishment, buttoned up and behind his campaign. What he doesn't have is, the evangelical activists who are really influential among the Christian rank and file in the Republican Party.
You got to remember in a state like Iowa where the first, you know, caucuses are going to be held in a couple of months, evangelical Christians are 60 percent of those voters. Those are voters that are not buttoned up. And so, Perry I think is telling these stories largely in an attempt to connect with those voters.
WHITFIELD: Wow. Fascinating stuff. Dan thanks so much. And of course, folks want to read more about this. They can go to the belief column at CNN.com.
GILGOFF: Slash belief.
WHITFIELD: All right, easy you know how to cnn.com/belief. Check out the rest of that interview that Dan got with Anita Perry. Thanks so much.
All right, coming up next, they don't look like they did in 1957, but these two women are forever linked by one of the most important news photographs of the 20th century. Where are they now? And what do they think of each other? Next.
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WHITFIELD: All right, straight ahead, in a few minutes, do you recognize this photo from the '60s? That's Olympian John Carlos on the right, Tommy Smith as well. Well, then John Carlos was protesting racial discrimination, making a real statement for human rights. And now he is part of the occupy movement. He's going to explain in a moment.
But first, this is an image that illustrates the American climate of the civil rights movement, probably better than any other. Remember this one?
Taken in 1957, Elizabeth Eckford (ph), one of the little rock nine, walking into a high school, which was until then reserved for whites only. Behind her an angry young woman shouting at her, it appears, right? A reporter, David Margolick wrote a book about Elizabeth Eckford (ph) and Hazel Brian (ph), those "two women of little rock."
David Margolick joins me now from New York with more on this.
So often people see these iconic images and wonder, where are they now? And what was that relationship like post that photograph? You had a chance to talk with both of them. Apparently they're -- there became a relationship between these two. The picture certainly, I guess, wouldn't -- wouldn't convey that there would ever be a relationship between these two women, what did you discover?
DAVID MARGOLICK, AUTHOR, TWO WOMEN OF LITTLE ROCK: Well, it is hard to imagine a less auspicious start to a relationship than this picture, of course, which sort of encapsulates white hostility to blacks in 1957.
But the picture has tied these two women together for the last 55 years and they have had quite an interesting relationship subliminally, psychologically and even together. Their relationship has gone through several different stages.
In 1962, Hazel Brian (ph), the white girl, actually apologized to Elizabeth over the phone, very privately. In 1997, the two were reunited for the 40th anniversary celebrations. For a time after that, they actually became close friends and spent a lot of time together before they had another falling out. And now they have not spoken to one another for the last ten years.
WHITFIELD: Really? So, wait a minute, take me back to that phone call that Hazel made. What provoked her to make a phone call to Elizabeth? Was it to apologize? Was it to explain her actions? Was it because she received so much pressure from that photograph?
MARGOLICK: Well, I think the pressure was very private. Hazel was a 20-year-old woman. She was the mother of two young children. She was watching the civil rights protests on television. She felt guilty about what she had done. She had two young children and she knew they were going to grow up to learn that that girl with the hateful face was their mother and she had to sort of set things right. So she called Elizabeth. There were no cameras rolling. There was no publicity. There was no pressure except whatever was generated in her, own mind.
WHITFIELD: And then you said a relationship did ensue for a little while. It was pretty amicable, to what degree?
MARGOLICK: It was really more than a little amicable, Fredricka. I mean for after the 1997 commemorations, the two of them made a lot of joint public appearances before schools and civic groups. Everybody was invested in their reconciliation. The idea that these two archetypal antagonists could ever have come together was a sign of great hope for people. And they actually became friendly. They discovered they had a lot in common. And they spent a lot of private time together too. They shared a lot of interests. They went to a lot of places together. They liked one another and respected one another.
WHITFIELD: And then something happened. And they went their separate ways?
MARGOLICK: Well, then the sort of racial chasm that always existed in this country opened up again. And Elizabeth found that there were certain portions of Hazel's story. Elizabeth is a very discerning and demanding woman, a judgmental woman, and she felt that Hazel hadn't fully reconciled herself with her own behavior and hadn't come clean and hadn't really explained exactly what led her to do what she did in 1957, and so the two of them split apart over that.
WHITFIELD: My goodness. And then you also write that Elizabeth had a very unhappy life, even though there was that breakthrough moment. She was a trailblazer. There was something -- a number of things that made her life very unhappy. What were they?
MARGOLICK: Well, Elizabeth had her family had a predisposition to depression to begin with. And then, of course, she went through the ordeal that was captured in this photograph and then like the other members of the little rock nine, she spent a year in central high school being harassed terribly and unrelentingly by the segregationist students in the school. And that was -- that was enough to traumatize anyone. And so afterwards she had great difficulty, she was depressed for many years. She was on disability for many years. She tried to kill herself a couple of times.
WHITFIELD: My goodness.
MARGOLICK: Gradually she pulled herself out of it, but it was a very long and arduous ordeal for her.
WHITFIELD: And are you taking credit for helping to bring them back together again by talking to them, to document this for this book?
MARGOLICK: Well, I don't take any credit for it. In fact, I really didn't want to affect my own story and so I made no effort until the very, very end and only then I asked them to be photographed together. And Elizabeth was willing to, but Hazel was not.
I do think, however, that the process of talking to me and the process of reading my book in a way has accentuated the bond that still exists between these two women and I would not be surprised if another chapter is still to be written in their relationship.
WHITFIELD: Wow. What an extraordinary story, "Two women of little rock."
David Margolick thanks so much for bringing this story to us.
MARGOLICK: Thank you, Fredricka.
WHITFIELD: All right, the holiday season will be here before you know it. Perhaps you need some time to save some money for shopping. Our Christine Romans will have some advice on how you can save a thousand dollars.
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WHITFIELD: You know how great it is to find lost change in the sofa or a freshly washed $10 bill, maybe in the dryer? Well, what if I told you that it is possible to actually find an extra thousand dollars just in time for the holidays?
CNN's Christine Romans shows us how it is definitely doable.
(BEGIN VIDEOTAPE) CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: All right, you have seven weeks until the holidays. How are you going to pay for it? Time to start planning so you don't begin the New Year with a debt hangover.
What if I told you could be on the way to saving a thousand bucks by the holidays? You can and I'm not going to tell you that old standard make your own gifts. This is real money. The biggest savings comes from your house, your mortgage.
Refinance if you can. Lower a 6 percent mortgage on say a $200,000 loan, lower it down to 4.2 percent, you're going to save 221 bucks a month. You can also save money when you ditch your gym membership. Throw on a pair of running shoes. You could be saving 120 bucks if you either cancel or you just put your gym membership on hold until after the holidays. And some gyms let you do that.
Also, you need to be really smart about how you're shopping for groceries. Don't buy your groceries ever at the drugstore. A recent study of the basics purchased at Boston Drugstores shows they cost as much as 50 percent more than at a grocery store. You could be saving on average 25 bucks a week if you avoid buying any grocery items in a pinch at the pharmacy and you know be smart. Buy in bulk. Don't buy name brands all the time. You can also go to discounters.
Also, never use an out of network ATM. If you do this twice a week, you're spending more on bank fees than you do on fresh vegetables. Walk the extra block, drive the extra mile. You are going to save 50 bucks easy by the time the holidays roll around.
Also, you want to check and make sure you're using your technology in a smart way. Bundle your internet, your phone, your cable. You can save, I don't know, 60 bucks a month if you switch from paying from them all separately and shop around.
And finally, this one is so controversial, but maybe you should be making your coffee at home. You could be spending as little as 15 bucks a month instead of you know $2 a day on your cup of Joe. If you add it all up, here you go. You can pick and choose what is right for you. That's a thousand dollars in savings right there. The national retail federation says the average person will shell out $700 on presents this year. So, you could pocket that extra $300 or so for your savings.
Christine Romans, CNN, New York.
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WHITFIELD: All right, next, John Lennon's tooth went up for auction yesterday. Over 40 years after Lennon actually gave it away. You'll never guess how much it actually sold for and what it looks like today.
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WHITFIELD: All right, he took a stand that became an iconic moment in Olympic history this moment at the 1968 Mexico City games. American track and field medalist John Carlos and Tommy Smith, in their well known silent but resounding statement for human rights. John Carlos has written about his life and that moment in Mexico City. I talked to him a little while ago.
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JOHN CARLOS, 1998 OLYMPIC MEDALIST: You said everyone to think, regardless of what part of the world you were in, to resurrect your conscience and have a concern not just for yourself, but for your fellow man as well, to try and make this a better, more cohesive society for all individuals to have an opportunity to succeed in life. I would hate to think just based on an individual's color, he cannot achieve the goals that god might have set forth for him in their lives.
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WHITFIELD: John Carlos is also active in the occupy Wall Street movement that has taken hold in New York and around the country.
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CARLOS: When I became involved in this fight that we have for equality for everyone, there were individuals long before John Carlos, Doctor King, Rosa Parks, Gandhi, (inaudible), many individuals, John Brown, many individuals felt that we need to do something to change this society to make society wake up and be responsible for itself so try to cure the ills that we have.
We thought that 1968 was an excellent opportunity for us to make a better understanding as to how we can come together as a race of people and be tolerating of one another and try to learn from one another to try to solve our problems that we have.
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WHITFIELD: Fascinating icon, John Carlos' book is called "the John Carlos story" the sports moment that changed the world.
We are going to have much straight ahead in the NEWSROOM with our Don Lemon.
DON LEMON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: You have some good stuff today. I love the Iconic civil rights picture that you did. It was amazing. He took a lot of flak for that picture.
WHITFIELD: He did. He said that moment and he are intertwined. He knew it at that moment. Certainly he didn't recognize it was going to change history or have that indelible mark on history, but he embraced it the whole way through and he says he's never run away from that moment, never tried to explain that moment, but certainly wanted to help to write this book, wanted to write the book to dispel so many myths that a came with that iconic picture.
LEMON: Why he did it and the impetus behind it. I have a lot of props for you today. I have a phone and I've got - I got a cap and you know what that is about and I have in my little pad right here, the society professional journalist code of ethics.
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LEMON: I should read it over, you should too. Herman Cain wants to make sure every journalist has a copy. I want you to - die you see - you saw the news topic?
WHITFIELD: I saw that last night. He reminded journalists.
LEMON: He conducted it after this debate with Newt Gingrich. Listen to it. Let's listen a little bit.
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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Mister Cain, sexual harassment --
CAIN: Don't even go there. UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Can I ask my question?
CAIN: No.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE REPORTER: Can I ask a good question?
CAIN: Where's my chief of staff.
UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm right here.
CAIN: Please send him the journalist code of ethics?
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LEMON: All right, that's just the beginning of it. At the top of the hour, we are going to look at the journalist code of ethics and ask if reporters violated it. Does Herman Cain or does Herman Cain the man who wants to be the president of the United States want to change the subject? That's what we are going to ask. We will have much, much more besides that. We will talk about some apps that are out there.
WHITFIELD: You were pumped up yesterday about that LSU/Alabama game.
LEMON: We are. But we are talking about apps. That's why my phone is here. For unemployment, they will give you tips on jobs.
WHITFIELD: OK, very good.
And there you go.
I thought about you last night. I thought oh, my gosh, he's going to come in here talking so much smack and you have your colors.
LEMON: I'm going to sit here.
WHITFIELD: You don't have to say anymore. We get it. Congratulations.
LEMON: How do you spell tigers, g-e-a-u-s?
WHITFIELD: You can talk about it in the next hour because we will see you in the NEWSROOM.
LEMON: All right.
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WHITFIELD: You look good.
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WHITFIELD: The Beatles sang that you can't buy me love but you can buy a tooth. But why the tooth of a former Beatles - that's hilarious! My goodness. First time seeing it.
Now, John Lennon's tooth was sold at auction for $32,000 (inaudible). A Canadian Dentist said he is the lucky winner of the discolored molar. He gave it to his housekeeper after he had it removed in the '60s and the housekeeper held on to it all this time and decided to sell it.
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JERAS: Only a dentist would want that.
WHITFIELD: And then Don Lemon you hear in the background that you hear. He's disappointed that he wasn't the one who had the winning bid.
Jacqui Jeras, how are you doing?
JERAS: Good. Only a dentist would want that.
WHITFIELD: Leaf a bad taste in your mouth?
JERAS: Little bit.
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JERAS: How are you doing?
WHITFIELD: I'm good. It's pretty good. I like the sunshine back there.
JERAS: But it is not going to last long, unfortunately. And things are going to become severe here and that's what we want to focus on as we have a storm system in the southwest this weekend and as it heads to the plain states, Oklahoma not just dealing with earthquakes but unfortunately, a severe weather threat is going to pull up moisture and warmth from the gulf of Mexico and interact with colder, drier air from the west. So, we expect severe thunderstorms from Texas through Oklahoma and possibly in to Kansas for Monday and Tuesday. We will be talking Eastern Texas throughout parts of Mississippi Valley. So, be aware of that front, large hail, damaging winds and isolated tornadoes. And on the backside, yes, it did say snow.
WHITFIELD: My goodness.
JERAS: Yes, couple of inches in the plains.
WHITFIELD: Lots of snow already this winter, cold ones.
JERAS: An early start. A Skier's delight.
WHITFIELD: All right, thanks so much Jacqui. Appreciate that.
Don Lemon is up next with more of the NEWSROOM.
I'm Fredricka Whitfield. Have a great week.
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