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Sex Abuse Case Shocks Penn State; Romney Most Electable; Italian Prime Minister Faces New Challenge; Europe's Crisis Bogs Down Wall Street; Sex Abuse Case Shocks Penn State; Rick Perry's Religious Journey; 250K to Get Breast Cancer in 2011; Packers Stay Undefeated; Giants Beat Patriots

Aired November 07, 2011 - 09:00   ET

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KYRA PHILLIPS, CNN ANCHOR: Good morning, guys. Thanks so much.

Well, this morning, college sports faces one of its biggest scandals in decades. Allegations of child molestation rocking Penn State in an iconic football program built on integrity and honor. Jerry Sandusky, a one-time legendary defensive coordinator, is accused of molesting eight boys. And two school officials are expected to surrender to police today, accused of trying to cover it up.

That's just two days after the university president vowed, quote, "unconditional support for both of them."

Jason Carroll is there.

Jason, the question now is, what exactly did they know and when did they know it, right?

JASON CARROLL, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Exactly. And perhaps we'll get some more answers to some of those questions later on today when the attorney general holds a press conference.

But, you know, I have to say, Kyra, when you talk about that unconditional support, you have to wonder about that now because those two school officials that you mentioned, they resigned late last night.

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CARROLL (voice-over): He's a legend in the world of college football. For 23 years, Jerry Sandusky served as defensive coordinator for the Penn State Nittany Lions. Now he's out on bail and defending himself against charges he sexually abused young boys, one as young as 8 years old.

Two other Penn State officials accused of covering up one of the alleged incidents resigned in the wake of the scandal. Sandusky's lawyer says his client is innocent.

JOE AMENDOLA, SANDUSKY'S ATTORNEY: Jerry is very, very depressed. He's very upset. He's very distraught about the changes, the allegations, and the knowledge that regardless of whether he has eventually proves his guilt or innocence, that people are going to think that he did this stuff.

CARROLL: Pennsylvania's attorney general calls Sandusky a, quote, "sexual predator." A 23-page grand jury report lays out in graphic detail how he allegedly targeted eight boys ranging in ages from 8 to 14.

Prosecutors say the boys were victimized between 1994 and 2009. In one case, a graduate student testified he discovered Sandusky sexually abusing a boy estimated to be 10 years old in the shower of the Penn State football building.

The student reported it to Penn State's head football coach Joe Paterno who in turn told his immediate supervisor, the athletic director, Timothy Curly who has also brought to the attention of Gary Schultz, a university senior vice president.

Prosecutors questioned why none of the men reported the incident to police which is required under Pennsylvania law. Both Schultz and Curly are charged with perjury for allegedly lying to the grand jury. The two men testified that they were under the impression Sandusky was, quote, "horsing around with the boy in the shower."

Both men resigned late Sunday. The Board of Trustees releasing a statement saying under no circumstances does the university tolerate behavior that would put children at risk.

JEFFREY TOOBIN, CNN SENIOR LEGAL ANALYST: Let just me say something about -- you know, there is a big moral issue about the behavior of Penn State here. About their failure to act. But the legal issue is whether they lie.

CARROLL: According to the grand jury report, all of the alleged victims came into contact with Sandusky through his charity, the Second Mile.

JERRY SANDUSKY, FORMER PENN STATE DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR: It's a nonprofit organization that reaches out to serve young people throughout the state of Pennsylvania.

CARROLL: Sandusky and his wife formed the Second Mile in 1977 to help troubled boys. He retired from coaching in 1999 but still had access to Penn State's facilities, so popular he wrote an autobiography in 2001 entitled, "Touched: The Jerry Sandusky Story."

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CARROLL: And Kyra, Sandusky is right now out on $100,000 bail. His next court appearance is scheduled for Wednesday. Later today the attorney general just about -- just about at 1:00 is expected to give a press conference where she will answer questions and hopefully we'll get some more details about this case -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Yes, we will definitely be following the investigation.

Jason, thanks so much. And what effect will the child abuse case have on Penn State head coach Joe Paterno and the entire football program? We're going to talk about that in just about 10 minutes with NPR sports correspondent Mike Peska.

Well, Herman Cain may want to move on from sexual harassment allegations, but other people are still talking about the story.

Paul Steinhauser is here.

Quite a weekend, Paul.

PAUL STEINHAUSER, CNN DEPUTY POLITICAL DIRECTOR: Yes, quite a weekend and you're absolutely right. The candidate and his campaign would like to move beyond this and move back to the issues, but until all the questions are answered, well, the media -- the journalists, we are going to be asking questions.

And, Kyra, that's what happened over the weekend. Herman Cain was at a debate with Newt Gingrich in Texas sponsored by a Tea Party group. It was just on entitlements and the economy. Afterward, though, of course, he comes in front of cameras to take reporters questions, they asked about the sexual harassment allegations, and it got a little testy. Take a listen.

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GOV. HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: If you all listen, if you all just listen for 30 seconds, I will explain this one time. What I am saying is this. We are -- we are getting back on message, end of story. Back on message. Read all of the other accounts. Read all of the other accounts, what everything has been answered in a story. We're getting back on message, OK?

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STEINHAUSER: Debates actually may help out Cain this week. There are two scheduled, one on Wednesday in Michigan on the economy and one on Saturday on foreign policy and national security. That may move the spotlight away from this controversy for the former Godfather's Pizza CEO.

But one thing, it has been lucrative in a way for Cain. His campaign saying they've raised $1.6 million in the week since this controversy first came to light -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: And Republicans still think Romney has the best shot of beating Obama, right?

STEINHAUSER: They do. They do. They may not love him, but check this out. Brand new numbers from ABC News and "Washington Post". These are Republicans only, and when it comes to who has the best chance for beating the president next year in the general election, you can see about a third say Mitt Romney. Herman Cain at 21 percent and Rick Perry 11. On all the other issues and likability and everything else, Romney is not number one. This is the only issue where the only attribute where he has a lead, Kyra.

That is troublesome for Mitt Romney. He's in Iowa today. He's only been in Iowa five times up until now. Remember, we are tomorrow eight weeks away from those first votes in the Iowa caucuses -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: Wow. And remember we are talking about hundreds of days, Paul, thanks.

All right, we'll have your next political update in just about an hour and a reminder for all the latest political news, just go to our Web site, CNNPolitics.com.

OK. Well, he's no stranger to scandal. So far he survived, rather, allegations of corruption, tax fraud, even bunga bunga parties. Now Italian Prime Minister Silvio Berlusconi faces challenges of another kind. Economic troubles that could bring him down.

Zain Verjee joining us now from London.

So, Zain, how much danger is Berlusconi really in?

ZAIN VERJEE, CNN INTERNATIONAL ANCHOR: He's in a lot of danger right now. I mean if it's not the problems with the bunga bunga parties, there are now problems with a possible bailout that Italy might have to face.

Now he's in trouble here and there is a real question of whether he will be able to survive this. There's supposed to be a confidence vote. He has survived 51 confidence votes in the past and who know if he'll be able to do it this time around.

There are rumors floating around that he's going to resign but he actually went on Facebook, Kyra, and he said no, I am not going to be resigning. Here's the problem, Italy has a huge debt. Something like $2.5 trillion. And the issue is that many don't have confidence like the markets, like the leaders of Germany and France, were kind of important with the euro zone. They don't have confidence that Berlusconi can do these really critical reforms to reduce debt and increase growth.

That Italy really needs to do and if they're not able to do it Italy is going to need this massive bailout and the euro zone doesn't have enough money to bail out Italy because it's so huge. Third biggest economy in Europe.

That's the problem. So Berlusconi is facing pressure from Europe, pressure from within his own party, these rebels that he's working on the phone with right now trying to get them not to defect and support him.

All of this matters to the U.S. for two reasons. First of all, 25 percent of the world's currency is -- reserve is held in euros and any situation with the euros are going to create a real problem in world markets and the economy.

Also the big exports that go from the United States to Europe. Billions of dollars are at stake here. Because If Italy goes down, it's going to be a massive disaster for the euro zone. They will go into a recession and it will affect American jobs and American exports.

So there's a lot at stake for the U.S. and for Silvio Berlusconi -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: We're going to talk more about those possible impacts on the U.S., Zain. Thanks so much.

You know the ripples of uncertainty are rattling our investors here on Wall Street already. They're keeping a close eye on the debt crisis in Greece and the impending resignation of the prime minister. That's coming just days after accepting the European bailout.

Christine Romans is in New York.

Christine, you're watching Greece, you're watching Italy.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Yes.

PHILLIPS: And the impact that it can have on our wallets.

ROMANS: Yes. And Zain, it's absolutely right. Europe is such an important region and you've got Greece. Greece maybe you'll say it's a problem that can be solved. It's not pretty for the Greek people. It's not pretty overall but that problem can be solved. But Italy? If you have Italy in major financial straits with a government that can't solve its problems, it can't be bailed out. It's the third largest economy in the euro zone. That is a really serious problem.

For months -- for months, Kyra, we've been talking about the PIGS, Portugal, Ireland, Italy, Greece, Spain. Two of those -- two of those governments are in complete turmoil right now and the euro zone trying to hold itself together.

What does Italy mean for Greece -- I mean for the Europe, it is a huge powerhouse within Europe. What does it mean for the United States?

Well, Zain had it absolutely right. It's a big destination for our goods. We have bilateral trade there that is -- you know, $42 billion, I think. It's the 16th largest trading partner alone for the United States. But don't forget the euro zone is the single largest trade partner with us overall.

And our direct investment in Italy is something like $30 billion. So there are ties between municipal government, between companies, between pension funds, investors, companies, different governments. It's an incredibly important region of the world and incredibly important country. And these problems simply have to get solved.

The United States, our recovery, cannot take hold and continue if you have such a huge area of the world in so much uncertainties. So that's what they're trying to fix right now. So clearly the internal politics of this -- of this country is really do hit home here in the U.S.-- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: And market is opening in about 27 minutes or so.

ROMANS: Yes.

PHILLIPS: What are we expecting?

ROMANS: Expecting stocks could be down here, but what we're really looking at are the bond markets around the world. What are these bond markets telling us? Don't forget bond markets are at least twice as big as the stock market, right?

Bond markets are telling us that investors are very nervous about Italy, that they are now asking for more than 6.5 percent return on their money to invest in Italy. The bond market might end up doing to Silvio Berlusconi with all of that bad publicity and all of those scandals and corruption investigations couldn't, it might be the bond market that end up running him out because investors around the world are saying, until this country gets its act together, we're going to demand ever higher interest rates to invest there.

And every euro or dollar more they have to spend in paying interest is money they're not sinking into their economy to grow, and that's a real problem.

PHILLIPS: Christine Romans, we will follow the numbers with you throughout the day.

ROMANS: Yes.

PHILLIPS: Also straight ahead, the NBA puts a new proposal on the table, but the players union rejects it and now faces a Wednesday deadline. Can the season be saved? We're going to talk about it next.

Also ahead. People are talking. Is there a little royal in the future for Britain's Will and Kate? We're investigating.

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PHILLIPS: News "Cross Country" now.

An "Occupy Atlanta" protester is expected in court after being accused of assaulting a motorcycle cop. The arrest was one of 20 made over the weekend when protesters moved out of Woodruff Park and began marching down the street.

And in Connecticut, more than 100,000 homes and businesses still without power after last weekend's snowstorm. The governor has sent National Guard troops to help utility crews. He also asked the state attorney general to investigate what he calls the inadequate response by the state's largest power company.

Former heavyweight champ Joe Frazier is now fighting for his life. The 67-year-old boxing legend has liver cancer. The champ is now in hospice in Philadelphia.

Well, a huge story surrounding college football this morning. Former Penn State assistant coach Jerry Sandusky facing charges of sexually abusing young boys. Two Penn State officials, including the athletic director, have now stepped down over allegations of a cover up.

Let's talk more about this with NPR sports correspondent Mike Pesca.

I got a number of questions for you, Mike. But I'm just curious. You know, you are plugged in to the sports world. You've written about everything.

Have you heard of anything through the years that could be tied to Sandusky molesting little boys?

MIKE PESCA, NPR SPORTS CORRESPONDENT: No, not publicly and, of course, that's one of the reasons why he was able to, you know, continue with that behavior for quite a time. The stories indicate that, disturbingly so, there were surface -- reports did surface earlier, even a decade earlier, about some of the actions that he was engaged in. And so, that's what's really so disturbing about it.

But it's also kind of typical from what we know about child sexual abuse that so often the abusers, alleged abuser in this case, a blind eye is turned towards his behavior. And a lot of the ways, the story follows the pattern and template of a sexual abuse story, much more than it does any football story.

I should say it's not unknown in the world of sports, for instance. Junior hockey in Canada was roiled by reports of sexual abuse going on.

So, even though no matter what walk of life you are in and you say, oh, I can't believe it happened here. It has happened in every walk of life and, you know, it's important that people be cognizant about it.

PHILLIPS: Yes, point well made.

All right. Let's talk about Joe Paterno. He has so much more respect for winning more football games than any Division One coach. What happened here? And how does this impact his legacy?

PESCA: Well, depending on what happens and especially depending on reports of how much Joe Paterno knows. I mean, I don't think that years from now, you'll be able to say, oh, Joe Paterno, he was just a winning coach and not have someone bring this up.

I think it's easy to say that right now, Joe Paterno is 84 and his coaching style is very much delegating huge parts of his job to assistants. I mean, coaching a big college football team is very hard and every coach does that to some extent. But Joe Paterno, especially because of his advanced age, more than others, sits in the press box, doesn't prowl the sidelines like every other Division One coach. And therefore, perhaps, you can make the logical leap that he didn't have as much control over his program that others did.

But, again, first of all, he knew about these or it is alleged that he first heard about these allegations back in 2002. So, that was nine years ago. He was only 75.

We don't know how much he knew and we don't know if other coaches would have acted swiftly or decisively, or done more than he did, which is reports say that he told it to his superior, he told his superior that someone told him that Jerry Sandusky was involved with something that he shouldn't have been involved with. And at that time, Sandusky wasn't even on Paterno staff.

So, it looks very bad, of course. Joe Paterno has expressed sadness. There are many unanswered questions that need to be answered.

PHILLIPS: Yes. I mean, we talk about the fact that they are coaches and could this have been a cover up? But my God, they are fathers too. I mean, they are grandfathers. I mean, how do even you let something like this go by?

Anyway, I want to ask you about the NBA while I have you, if you don't mind -- the lockout. You know, the league has this new offer on the table. The Wednesday deadline, right? The union doesn't like the deal.

So, what do you think? Are we going to lose more games?

PESCA: Well, the offer seems to be, if you don't take this offer, we are lowering the amount of money that we're going to be giving you.

You know, the players were getting 57 percent before this season of all basketball revenue. They have come down to 52 percent. The owners are sticking to 50 percent. And the last offer is, you know what? If you don't take the 50 percent, you are only getting 47 percent.

Now, here's the problem. If the owners have already said that 50 percent will get a deal done, how do you take them seriously if they say, oh, we're going to stick you with 47 percent?

But on the other hand, once you publicly make this declaration, you know, it's hard to walk it back. You lose face if the players reject the deal on Wednesday, and then a month later, the owners say, OK, sure, whatever, 51 percent, that's fine.

So, I think perhaps the rhetoric has painted both sides into a little bit of a corner. At this point, I'm not so surprised that this many games have been lost because both sides feel that they can get an advantage up to this point. But right now, we might be really at a critical measure where it's going to be hard to walk back with the latest proposals, have been the latest offers which are sort of, you know, offers you can't refuse.

PHILLIPS: NPR's Mike Pesca, Mike we always appreciate when you breakaway from the radio and come on with us. We really do. Thanks, Mike.

PESCA: You're welcome. Yes.

PHILLIPS: Well, bank fees are becoming a way of life these days and Americans are not taking it sitting down. They are actually closing their accounts and taking their money elsewhere. We'll ill see how successful this weekend's bank transfer day was.

And Britain's Will and Kate moving out, heading to some new digs. But it's a fixer-upper and it isn't cheap. You are probably wondering, what does the palace have to do with that? You'll see.

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PHILLIPS: All right. So, who would have thought a palace has an apartment -- and not only that, but an apartment that needs 1 million bucks in upgrades?

Max Foster has a scoop on Will and Kate's new digs. Now, Max, I still have a feeling that this apartment is much nicer than the ones you and I lived in after college.

MAX FOSTER, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: You can probably say that.

Kensington Palace is where Diana lived, it's where William and Harry were brought up. And it's small, like a sort of complex of houses. So, they're moving into the one that used to was last lived in by Princess Margaret, the queen's sister, one of the grandest ones. It's something like 20 rooms. It's on fourth floors.

I have been to the next door. That feels much more like a very large town house. It's very grand in a small area of west London. They're moving in there.

It does need to be gutted, though, and done up because the last renovation was in the 1960s when Margaret got married. So, a big renovation job there, asbestos in the walls. They have to take all of that out -- new wiring, new plumbing. The taxpayer will pay for the structural work, but the royal family for the declaration.

Catherine is very hands on, very artistic. I'm sure she'll be very much in charge of this. You just have to see inside when she's done it.

PHILLIPS: Well, I guess we can talk off line. I want to know what you're doing in the other apartment. But until then, everybody wants to know about these rumors that Kate is pregnant.

FOSTER: Well, we were talking last week, where were you? And --

PHILLIPS: Yes, we were talking about it.

FOSTER: Exactly. And we were talking about the sort of great work that was done there. But a lot of the newspapers -- tabloid reporters are desperate to get this pregnancy story. And they are latching on anything.

You may remember when they first went inside the building, here we are -- William tasted some peanut paste. This is given to malnourished children. He offered it there to Catherine, she didn't take it. And that is the entire basis of this story because -- this is the prince of Denmark there. The princess had some. Catherine didn't.

There is a concern, I don't know if it's the same in the U.S. But in the U.K. there's concern that if you are pregnant and you have peanuts, you will give the unborn child an allergy.

PHILLIPS: Right, right.

FOSTER: But that's -- I mean, it's not the advice almost.

PHILLIPS: Maybe she doesn't like peanut butter, Max. Maybe it just comes down that, you know,

FOSTER: Exactly.

PHILLIPS: We shouldn't -- we shouldn't speculate.

All right. Now, come on --

FOSTER: One of the other reporters saw her rubbing her belly.

PHILLIPS: Oh, OK. But don't we all when we have little indigestion?

I still want to know if you are trying to rent that other apartment. That's what I want to know, if you're trying to move in to that palace.

FOSTER: I'll be moving one day. When --

PHILLIPS: Thanks, Max.

FOSTER: OK, Kyra.

PHILLIPS: OK. We are getting the big wrap. Max and I (INAUDIBLE) little trouble.

All right. Straight ahead, Herman Cain says that the end of the story to all these questions about sexual harassment allegations. But is it? And can he get his campaign back on message? We're going to talk about this with L.Z. Granderson and Will Cain, our CNN contributors.

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PHILLIPS: Checking top stories now:

Former Penn State football coach Jerry Sandusky says he's innocent of a child sexual abuse charges against him. Two Penn State officials accused of perjury in the case have now stepped down.

Jurors in the Conrad Murray trial begin their second day of deliberations two hours from now. If convicted of Michael Jackson's death, Murray faces up to four years in prison and losing his medical license.

We'll have live coverage of President Obama's remarks at noon today. The president plans to talk about tax credit in his jobs bill, in efforts to get veterans back to work.

All right. Herman Cain says end of story, he's not going to take any more about sexual harassment allegations. And once again, he lashed out at reporters.

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REPORTER: Mr. Cain, the attorney for one of the women who filed sexual harassment complaint

HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: Don't even go there.

REPORTER: Can I ask my question?

CAIN: No, because --

REPORTER: Can I ask a good question?

CAIN: Where's my chief of staff?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I'm right here.

CAIN: Please send him the journalist code of ethics.

(END VIDEO CLIP)

PHILLIPS: Oh! Contributor LZ Granderson and Will Cain definitely have a take on this. They have their own code of journalistic ethics.

LZ, I'm going to start with you. Cain's beef is, you know, these reporters, also "Politico's" use of anonymous sources. Look, this woman has come out now, gone on the record. So, isn't this all a moot point?

LZ GRANDERSON, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: You know, I've been really hard on Herman Cain these past few weeks because I think overall he lacks substance and I don't like the way he panders and I don't like the way he treats black people in the press.

With that being said, this is not about sexual harassment at this point. This is about how he handled a crisis, this is about how he handles the press because if you will be president of the United States, what you can't do is be antagonizing to the media. He needs to understand how to work with the media.

And I think this is telling that this is not even a real crisis and he seems to be kind of unraveled. What is he going to do when there's an actual crisis for him to respond to? How is he going to handle that? I think we are seeing something that I find very disturbing as a voter and I think people who support him should be looking closely at.

PHILLIPS: Will, what do you think?

WILL CAIN, CNN CONTRIBUTOR: You know, I think there is a point to be made about journalistic ethics. I don't know if Herman Cain was is making it. What I would say is this: in the case of sexual misconduct and allegations of sexual misconduct, the accusation is enough more often than not to be the guilty condemnation.

Let me give an example. I grew up in a small town in Texas. My dad was a lawyer, so I was around this. In a divorce proceeding, this happens often: all it takes is for someone to claim he hit me, he touched me, he touched our child and it's over. I'm not just talking about the child custody part of it, but your reputation in the community.

What I'm telling you is we have seen this on the national stage with Dominique Strauss-Kahn. The accusation is enough to condemn someone, and in this case, Herman Cain, what we still have unless something's changed for me, Kyra, vague at best, details. Yet the conclusion will reach is Herman Cain is a sexual harasser. And I don't know his --

PHILLIPS: So, how does he - how does he get back on message, LZ?

GRANDERSON: Well, the reason why people say that about Herman Cain is because he did such a disastrous job addressing this to begin with. I mean, "Politico" approached his campaign manager what was it, a week-and-a-half before the story ran. He needed to have gotten ahead of the story.

So, how does he get back on message? You sit down, you have a press conference, you give a very intellectual, nuanced speech about what happened, how you responded to it, and how you want to move forward.

What you don't do is start handing out codes of ethics to journalists. That just makes you look guilty more than anything else.

PHILLIPS: Well, what are about Gloria Cain, Herman Cain's wife? You know, she was set to do an interview, then she canceled. Do we need to hear from her, and could that make any difference here?

WILL CAIN: No. I don't think we need to hear from here; I can't see a single difference it would make.

I would make two points on strategy. You know, LZ's right. If the truth is on your side, tell the truth and you'll move past the issue. The problem in sexual harassment is, the truth exists in two different parties' minds. They can look at the same instance and come to different conclusions. That could be one reason why he is not forthcoming with the details.

So, I think there is no clear strategy on how you handle this and how Herman Cain can move beyond it. But I'll tell you the second point is, blaming the media hasn't proven to be a problem. It is working among the conservative base. You make the media the bad guy, the liberal, mainstream media, and you might come out on top.

PHILLIPS: Will, LZ, always great to have you guys weighing in every Monday. Thanks.

WILL CAIN: Thanks.

PHILLIPS: Well, as we mentioned. Gloria Cain is keeping quiet, but not Rick Perry's wife. Coming up, her surprising take on her husband's religious faith and how he was called to run for president.

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PHILLIPS: Well, divorce papers have already been filed, but are Kim Kardashian and Kris Humphries really over? A.J. Hammer has spent all weekend looking in to this flight that Kim made to Minnesota. Did you track her? Did you see if she saw Kris and what's the deal?

A.J. HAMMER, HOST, "SHOWBIZ TONIGHT": I was following her. I followed her every move, the moment she got back to America. I was right there behind her hiding in the bushes.

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HAMMER: No, here's the story with this trip. There was naturally a lot of speculation about this trip, Kim Kardashian going to Minnesota to see Kris Humphries. Now, some people are saying that Kim is naturally conflicted over the divorce, although there really are no indications that this will lead to any sort of reconciliation.

But here's what we do note: TMZ got pictures of Kim and her bodyguard as they arrived in Minnesota. That was early yesterday morning. Paparazzi were there, they were outside Kris's home. The couple met with the pastor who married them, and photographers did see Kim leave Kris alone in the house after about a two-hour meeting.

I'm thinking considering that Kim announced the divorce and took off for Australia while Kris Humphries was at home saying he didn't want to split up, Kyra, it's pretty obvious t to me these two need to have some face-to-face conversations. And I will follow them around and do what I can to fill you in on what exactly they are talking about.

PHILLIPS: A.J. Hammer-azzi is your new name. All right, well, SNL sure had fun at Kim's expense.

HAMMER: Yes, this was pretty funny. And this is actually the price you pay, of course, when you live your life in front of TV cameras. Let's take a look now at the fairy tale divorce that follows Kim and Kris' fairy tale wedding.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It seems I got divorced.

ANNOUNCER: Kim's fairy tale divorce.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Can you believe I'm old enough to have a daughter who's getting divorced? Now, you can't, because my surgeries worked.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Tune in for a storybook ceremony as Kim Kardashian and Kris Humphries get divorced.

(LAUGHTER)

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: It's been really hard. All week, we have been crying and crying and posing and crying.

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HAMMER: Yes, it's pretty funny. Some people were actually saying they were a little mean to Kris Humphries. He had a dumb guy- look on his face.

PHILLIPS: Poor guy. He knows about this side of things.

All right, A.J. You will be back next hour with more Showbiz headlines. I know you will be talking about Lindsay Lohan. Reports to jail to begin serving her 30-day sentence. But just after spending a few hour behind bars, apparently she is a free woman again. A.J. will talk about that and also get the scoop on Justin Bieber and that paternity suit. Thank, A.J.

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PHILLIPS: Well, he is one of seven brothers and they all served in the military. But there is a twist. Not all of them wore the same colored uniform. Our photojournalist Jon Turrigo has today's "Veterans in Focus."

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ANNOUCER: After Pearl Harbor, they were united.

DON OKA, WORLD WAR II VETERAN: The memory of those day when I was a soldier in World War II, all of us were seven brothers. Seven soldiers. Five of us in the United States and two against us because they were stranded in Japan when the war came. They were all American citizens born here in the United States.

World War II, I served. I was drafted. And took basic infantry training. When the language (INAUDIBLE) with the Japanese language school. They were language specialists that translate, interpreted and interrogate the prisoners. Often, I drew cartoons to make people laugh. These cartoons are drawn about the soldiers in there. And it was about (INAUDIBLE).

I landed in 1944, and our job was to take care of the civilians captured (INAUDIBLE) of Japanese and also Koreans. This is my younger brothers, served in Japanese navy. Came to bomb the (INAUDIBLE) Islands when I was serving there.

I saw the plane, but I didn't know it was him until after the war was all over. Bombs and (INADUIBLE).

Christmas Even, 1994. Even today I sometimes think about it. And what a waste. I wish they were alive. Those brothers of mine then hate me (ph), and I think they think well, brothers were just called to do the job. And we did it.

(INAUDIBLE) were important to me because of what we've accomplished.

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PHILLIPS: All right, let's check the news "Cross Country" now.

After allegations of sexual harassment even assault, female protesters at Occupy Wall Street have actually designated a safe space, a women's only tent has been set up at Zuccotti Park now for people to sleep and work. Its secured 24-7.

And the New York marathon occupied much of the city yesterday. Here's the men's winner right here. Geoffrey Mutai, He smashed the old course record by nearly three minutes.

Also in the field a group of disabled veterans, many amputees and survivors of traumatic brain. Injury they're all with the Achilles Freedom Team founded by the first paraplegic to compete in the annual race.

And a different flavor of competition in Delaware the world's Pumpkin Chunking Championship has been going on since the mid '80s. It all started as a way to get rid of farmers' extra Halloween pumpkins.

All right, Texas Governor Rick Perry has spoken often his religious values. Held a huge prayer rally, he even said that he was called to run for president. So his wife's take on their faith might surprise you.

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ANITA PERRY, WIFE OF THE CANDIDATE RICK PERRY: He probably is more spiritual than people think because we tend to take that very privately. When I talk about my faith, I become very emotional. When I talk about my family, I become very emotional. So it's not something that we, you know, blast out there. It's something that we tend to be more private about.

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PHILLIPS: Dan Gilgoff, is a religious editor at CNN.com. He actually conducted that interview with Mrs. Perry and just wrote about her husband's faith for our belief blog. You can read the whole thing, of course, if you click on.

But Rick Perry as you pointed out is using faith as a central part of his campaign strategy, right? So what's the deal? We are hearing one thing from him, one thing from her. Is it private or not?

DAN GILGOFF, RELIGIOUS EDITOR, CNN.COM: Well, it's actually both and it all depends on who the Perrys are talking to. And it's fascinating you watch them talk to Christian audiences, evangelical audiences in particular and they are very open with their faith. I talked to some evangelical activist who met with the Perrys with about 200 other Christian leaders recently. They Perrys spent six or seven hours talking to them and taking questions about their faith and how it influences policy.

When he talks to secular audiences or the sort of broader general audience, he doesn't want to become branded as a kind of evangelical candidate so he shies away from it and it's fascinating to see the message change depending on who they're talking to.

PHILLIPS: And she talked to you about this spiritual awakening that he had in '77 I believe. He was 27 years old. What exactly happened?

GILGOFF: So Perry grew up in this tiny isolated town in central Texas called Paint Creek. And he goes to school, he goes college in Paint Creek and then he enrols in the Air Force and he spends four years flying this huge cargo planes around the world. Then suddenly he turns 27 and he's out of the Air Force and he finds himself back in this (INAUDIBLE) town where he grew up and he has this crisis.

He doesn't know what he wants to do with his life. He knows he doesn't want to be on the family farm helping his dad. And he describes it when he's talking to those Christian audiences we talked about as a spiritual crisis, he says, he wrestles with God during this time.

And the crisis ends when he is in his own words, "Called to ministry". That doesn't he becomes a clergy person, it means that he's called to enter politics. So for him he calls politics his pulpit.

PHILLIPS: All right and he even changed churches, right. He is going to a Methodist church which can be very conservative and he went to more of an evangelical-style church.

GILGOFF: That's right. And I think it speaks to this life-long tension. He was raised in the Methodist Church as more traditional button-down church, but there's always this evangelical influence in his life that's sort of more charismatic, more about a personal connection with Jesus. In his hometown, the Baptist, the Evangelical Baptist were really influential and kind of governing the town.

When he was a little bit older, he is -- he joins a Methodist church in Austin but the people he's really close to are all of these Evangelical pastors who he spends time with calling on the and praying with them. And so finally a couple of years ago when he switches from a Methodist church to a more evangelical style church, I think it says a lot on where he is personally. And I think during this campaign, he's going to be using that to connect with evangelical voters.

PHILLIPS: It's interesting, I know we've got to go, but I remember when I was working out in Texas and he was the agriculture commissioner and I remember the people say, and he now how not only wears his boots and he's so down to earth, but he's a godly man. I mean, I remember the people saying that about him and it's interesting as you've been able to dig a little deeper into his background.

GILGOFF: That's right.

PHILLIPS: Dan, thanks so much.

GILGOFF: Thanks ma'am.

PHILLIPS: You can actually read Dan's whole piece on Rick Perry. You can see the full interview also with Anita Perry at cnn.com/belief. And if you like join the conversation and leave a comment for him. More than 2,000 people or 2,000 comments rather have already been posted. I'm sure far many more have read it. Thanks Dan.

GILGOFF: Thanks.

PHILLIPS: All right. Well, increasing breast cancer survival rates. Experts are saying that early detection is key. But with so many tests available now how do you actually know which one is best for you? We'll have the details, coming up.

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PHILLIPS: Well, the American Cancer Society says that nearly a quarter million Americans will get breast cancer this year and 40,000 of them will die. That's why catching the disease early is essential and there's a lot of tests out there that can help.

Senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen is here to tell us -- well, can you even say which one is better or is it timing? How do you know?

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: It depends who you are.

PHILLIPS: Ok.

COHEN: It all depends who you are. So let's go through the list of tests that women need to get to catch breast cancer early.

So first of all and this one is a no-brainer. And that is a breast exam by a professional, by your doctor or nurse practitioner, that's a manual exam. The second one is a little controversial -- self-breast exam. Some studies have shown there's no health benefit but a lot of women who caught their lumps that way. And that's a monthly exam. Mammograms, that's one that a lot of women are familiar with. The advice from the American Cancer Society is still after your 40th birthday get them once a year.

Now, here's one that some women will need and that's an MRI. If you've got a family history of breast cancer, then the American Cancer Society says go ahead and talk to your doctor about getting that one.

And then also genetic testing. Again, if you have a family history or if you've gotten breast cancer at an early age, it's a good idea to think about genetic testing not just for you but for the other women in your family so that you can start making some good decisions.

PHILLIPS: Yes actually I know a lot of moms that have done that.

COHEN: You can go to cnn.com/empoweredpatient; we have even more information about all of these different tests.

PHILLIPS: Great. Elizabeth thanks.

COHEN: Thanks.

PHILLIPS: Ok, let's take a look at stories that are making news later today.

Two former Penn State University officials are in court at 2:00 Eastern. They're accused of lying to a grand jury investigating those sexual child abuse charges against a former coach at the university.

And former NBA star Magic Johnson talks about AIDS at 3:00 Eastern in Los Angeles. Johnson announced 20 years ago today that he had been diagnosed with the disease.

And Republican presidential hopeful Herman Cain appearing on ABC's "Jimmy Kimmel Live". That will air at midnight Eastern.

All right we're following lots of development in the next hour of the CNN NEWSROOM. Let's check in first with our Zain Verjee -- Zain.

ZAIN VERJEE, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Hi there, kyra. Remember the Boeing 737 Dreamliner that was really applauded when it finally took off? It had a landing gear glitch and its landing was really not that dreamy. I'll tell you exactly what happened in just a few minutes, Kyra.

JASON CARROLL, CNN CORRESPONDLENT: And I'm Jason Carroll at Penn State where two university officials have resigned facing perjury charges. Another former coach out on $100,000 bail facing allegations of sexually abusing young boys. Details of the sexual abuse scandal rocking Penn State coming up.

CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: And I'm Christine Romans in New York. You thought Greece was the word. How about Italy? Italy is the story everyone is talking about today. Pressure on Silvio Berlusconi to step down as the mounting debts and deficits of that country become the European problem du jour. I'll have that story for you at the top of the hour -- Kyra.

PHILLIPS: All right guys. Thanks so much.

Also next hour, people in Oklahoma still shaken up after a couple strong earthquakes over the weekend. We're going to find out what's going on from our Rob Marciano.

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PHILLIPS: Jeff Fischel, no one can slow down the Super Bowl champs.

JEFF FISCHEL, HLN SPORTS: You're a fan of the Packers, I know you are and they are rolling.

PHILLIPS: All the time.

FISCHEL: Their undefeated quarterback Aaron Rodgers looks unflappable. The question was, the Chargers could they keep up taking on the Packers? Phillip Rivers also very good. But was he good enough? Well, not good enough to keep up with Rodgers.

Four touchdown passes, including this one to Greg Jennings. But in the final minute, Rivers and Chargers have a chance to tie it. Rivers looking deep down the right side and he gets picked off. He also had two interceptions returned for touchdowns. 45-38 the final.

The Packers still undefeated. Their toughest test could be the Giants in week 13. And speaking of the G-men; playing the Patriots for the first time since that classic Super Bowl 42. Another fantastic finish.

Less than two minutes to play. Tom Brady to Rob Gronkowski to put New England in front but Eli Manning leads the Giants right back down. Less than 20 seconds left, Jake Ballard the touchdown. The Giants do it again just like in the Super Bowl, 24-20.

Ravens and Steelers, 16 seconds to go in the game. Joe Flacco to Tory Smith with the game winner. This is right after Smith had dropped the ball on a sure score. Ravens win 23-20. They're tied with the Bengals atop the AFC north.

Tim Tebow leading his Broncos against the Oakland raiders. He came up with a win; his second in three games as the starter for the broncos. Tebow threw for some two touchdowns; he also ran for over 100 yards. In the final, Broncos 38, Raiders 24. Broncos have a losing record but they are just one game out of first in the AFC West.

Another great Sunday in pro football. PHILLIPS: I just love how Tebow kneels and everybody -- yes, I just love it. It's like you are seeing it even outside of sports. Pretty cool kid. All right. Thanks Jeff.

FISCHEL: Ok.