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President Obama Gives APEC News Conference; Cities Move against "Occupy" Protesters; Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation
Aired November 13, 2011 - 22:00 ET
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BRIANNA KEILAR, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: And for instance, he had one with the president of China, Hu Jintao, and we know from a White House official that he expressed frustration and impatience at the way that China is moving forward on economic issues.
So certainly, there have been some touchy subjects that have been broached in that meeting. We know they discussed intellectual property rights. The U.S. trying to protect its intellectual property rights in China and certainly having a really difficult time doing that. And also currency manipulation.
So, there have definitely been some touchy subjects. He met with the President of Russia, Medvedev, and they discussed Iran. Of course, the U.S. looking for some cooperation there and not on the same page with Russia. Trying to present a front agreement on moving forward and a common response there. But at the same time, not a lot of specifics, showing that there is still some daylight between the two.
So, yes, a jovial atmosphere. And it's certainly, you know, how do you not sort of have a smile on your face when this is really the scenery around you but also touching on some very serious subjects here as well, Don.
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: All right, Brianna Keilar, thank you very much. Please stand by.
Also Dan Lothian, stand by.
We have to get to business for our viewers here in the United States. They expect us to deliver a full newscast and catch them up on news. And we're going to do that right now.
Here is the quote -- "enough is enough." That is the message many U.S. cities are sending the Occupy Wall Street movement. Police in Portland, Oregon, today arrested more than 50 protesters as they cleared city parks of makeshift camps.
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(END VIDEO CLIP) LEMON: This particular standoff that you are looking at on a city street lasted for hours. The mayor of Portland, Oregon, told CNN he was sympathetic to the Occupy movement but their encampments had become public health hazards and had to be torn down.
Jessica Morket from our affiliate KOIN is in Portland and she joins us now live from Pioneer Courthouse Square with the very latest.
Tell us what's going on around you. Has everyone cleared out or are they still in the face off with police?
JESSICA MORKET, KOIN REPORTER: Well, right now, Don, they are actually in Pioneer Courthouse Square, which is basically in the center of Portland and the heart of downtown Portland. They moved here after being moved out of three public parks in the downtown Portland area. And there was actually a long standoff situation before the protesters came here to Pioneer Courthouse Square. A standoff with police and riot officers and protesters from the Occupy movement.
But also others -- many who are called anarchists who have been sparring with police. They are a more violent portion of these protesters that have been sparring with police. That standoff situation lasted for hours. No one was seriously hurt but the tensions were very high. The sides went back and forth. The possibility of teargas being used was definitely a possibility but it didn't come to that.
And so now it all subsided and they've moved here to Pioneer Courthouse Square. The protesters, they've been chanting here in the parks getting their message out. They say they don't plan to camp here in Pioneer Courthouse Square. This park actually closes at midnight tonight. They don't plan to camp, but they do plan to stay here and get their message out.
The big question that everybody here in Oregon and the Portland area wants to know is what's next from here. They say they want to continue to send their message out, continue to possibly camp.
So it's possible they will be moving to another public park here in the Metro area. So definitely it's been a long weekend. They were given an eviction notice to move out of those three parks on Thursday. They were given that notice. And now they had been moved out. But now here in one of our downtown parks in the Pioneer Courthouse Square area.
LEMON: All right. Jessica Morket from our affiliate KOIN. We appreciate your reporting.
We want to tell our viewers, you are seeing that box there at the bottom of your screen. We're paying attention to the president of the United States. He is in Honolulu, Hawaii. He's going to speak at any minute and when he does, we're going to take his comments live. He is hosting an APEC summit in Honolulu. Live. The president of the United States live just as soon as he comes up to the podium. Let's move on and continue to talk about the Occupy movement. Police in Portland wasted little time tearing down those camps that we mentioned. Earlier this evening, I spoke with one of the protesters and the mayor about the police action.
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MAYOR SAM ADAMS, PORTLAND, OREGON: We worked really hard to keep the peace here in Portland. This is our fifth -- fourth or fifth police action. There has not been any serious injuries. We've not used tear gas. We've not used rubber bullets or those kinds of things. We worked really hard, even in passionate moments like you are seeing now to make sure that the coolest heads prevail. And I want to really give a shout-out to the Portland Police Bureau for their professionalism and also the organizers of Occupy Portland who worked really hard as well to keep the peace.
KARI KOCH, MEMBER, OCCUPY PORTLAND: We feel strong that this community supports us and we feel -- I'm sorry, I should say that I can't speak on behalf of Occupy Portland. I can only speak on behalf of myself. But I feel like I am extremely disappointed that the mayor chose to crack down on these parks when the outpouring of support from the community was so strong and clearly in favor of Occupy Portland.
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LEMON: All right. Now to Denver. In Denver, police force Occupy Denver protesters out of a part near the City Civic Center. Protesters danced in the street while police tore down tents and cleared out the protesters' personal belongings. Seventeen people were arrested in that situation.
A similar story unfolding in Philadelphia. A man was arrested after a woman was sexually assaulted within the Occupy Philly camp near city hall. The encampment is preventing a $50 million renovation project from starting, keeping many people from working. Fires, public urination, graffiti, all are taking a toll on the historic area. Philadelphia's mayor says the people who started the movement have left.
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MAYOR MICHAEL NUTTER, PHILADELPHIA: Occupy Philly has changed. We're seeing serious health and safety issues playing out on almost a daily basis. Occupy Philly is fractured with internal disagreement and disputes. The people of Occupy Philly have also changed, and their intentions have changed. And all of this is not good for Philadelphia.
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LEMON: Also tonight on CNN, behind the scenes, drama from Saturday night's GOP debate. Details on the accidental e-mail that Republican presidential candidate Michele Bachmann is crying media bias over. In the meantime, though, we're going to go back to Honolulu, Hawaii, where the president of the United States is expected to give a press conference at any moment. Our White House correspondent Dan Lothian is standing by as we await the president to come to the podium.
Dan, we got a two-minute warning just about one-and-a-half minutes ago and we see the president walking up in the background.
DAN LOTHIAN, CNN WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: That's right. He's there.
LEMON: And he's going to hit the --
LOTHIAN: He's coming out right now. And again, he'll be -- he'll be taking about six to eight questions, and so, I'll sit down and let the president begin.
LEMON: Yes. So there's the president of the United States. We're going to listen in to President Barack Obama in Honolulu, Hawaii.
BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: I want to begin by thanking the people of Hawaii for their extraordinary hospitality. Usually when Michelle and I and our daughters come back to visit, it's just one president, and this time we brought 21. So thank you so much for the incredible graciousness of the people of Hawaii and their patience because I know that traffic got tied up a little bit.
Now, the single greatest challenge for the United States right now, and my highest priority as president is creating jobs and putting Americans back to work. And one of the best ways to do that is to increase our trade and exports with other nations. 95% of the world's consumers are beyond our borders. I want them to be buying goods with three words stamped on them -- Made in America. So I've been doing everything I can to make sure that the United States is competing aggressively for the jobs and the markets of the future.
No region will do more to shape our long-term economic future than the Asia-Pacific region. As I've said, the United States is and always will be a Pacific nation. Many of our top trading partners are in this region. This is where we sell most of our exports, supporting some 5 million American jobs.
And since this is the world's fastest growing region, the Asia-Pacific is key to achieving my goal of doubling U.S. exports, a goal, by the way, which we are on track right now to meet. And that's why I've been proud to host APEC this year. It's been a chance to help lead the way toward a more seamless regional economy with more trade, more exports and more jobs for our people.
And I'm pleased that we've made progress in three very important areas. First, we agreed to a series of steps that will increase trade and bring our economies even closer. We agreed to a new set of principles on innovation, to encourage the entrepreneurship that creates new businesses and new industries. With simplified customs and exemptions from certain tariffs, we'll encourage more businesses to engage in more trade. And that includes our small businesses, which account for the vast majority of the companies in our economies.
We agreed to a new initiative that will make it easier and faster for people to travel and conduct business across the region. And yesterday, I was pleased to sign a legislation, a new travel cart that will help our American businessmen and women travel more easily and get deals done in this region.
I've note that we also made a lot of progress increasing trade on the sidelines of APEC. As I announced yesterday, the United States and our eight partners reached the broad outlines of an agreement on the trans-Pacific partnership. And today I'm pleased that Japan, Canada and Mexico have now expressed an interest in this effort.
This comes on the heels of our landmark trade agreements with South Korea, Panama and Colombia which will support tens of thousands of American jobs.
And in my meeting with President Medvedev, we discussed how to move ahead with Russia's accession to the WTO, which will also mean more exports for American manufacturers and American farmers and ranchers.
Second, APEC agreed on ways to promote the green growth we need for our energy security. We agreed to reduce tariffs on environmental goods and make it easier to export clean energy technologies that create green jobs. We raised the bar on ourselves and we'll aim for even higher energy efficiencies.
And we're moving ahead with the effort to phase out fossil fuel subsidies. Now this would be a huge step toward creating clean energy, economies and fighting climate change which is a threat to both the beauty and the prosperity of the region.
Third, we're redoubling our efforts to make sure that regulations are encouraging trade and job creation, not discouraging trade and job creation. And this builds on the work that we're doing in the United States to get rid of rules and regulations that are unjustified and that are overly burdensome.
Our APEC partners are joining us in streamlining and coordinating regulations so that we're sparking innovation and growth even as we protect public health and our environment.
And finally, since many of the leaders here were also at the recent G20 summit, we continued our efforts to get the global economy to grow faster. APEC makes up more than half the global economy and it will continue to play a key role in achieving the strong and balanced growth that we need.
As I've said, as the world's largest economy, the best thing that the United States can do for the global economy is to grow our own economy faster. And so I will continue to fight for the American Jobs Act so that we can put our people back to work.
I was glad to see that Congress moved forward on one aspect of the jobs bill, tax credits for companies that are hiring veterans. But we've got to do a lot more than that.
So again, I want to thank the people of Hawaii for their extraordinary hospitality and for all that they've done to help make this summit such a success.
I want to thank my fellow leaders for the seriousness and sense of common purpose that they brought to our work. And I believe that the progress we made here will help create jobs and keep America competitive in a region that is absolutely vital not only for our economy but also for our national security.
So with that, I'm going to take a few questions. I'll start with Ben Feller of AP.
BEN FELLER, ASSOCIATED PRESS CORRESPONDENT: Thank you very much, Mr. President. I picked the sun here. So I'd like to ask you about Iran.
Did you get any specific commitments from Russia or China on tightening sanctions? Did you move them at all? And do you fear the world is running out of options short of military intervention to keep Iran from getting nuclear weapons?
OBAMA: One of the striking things over the last three years since I came into office is the degree of unity that we've been able to forge in the international community with respect to Iran. And when I came into office, the world was divided and Iran was unified around its nuclear program. We now have a situation where the world is united and Iran is isolated. And because of our diplomacy and our efforts, we have, by far, the strongest sanctions on Iran that we've ever seen.
And China and Russia were critical to making that happen. Had they not been willing to support those efforts in the United Nations, we would not be able to see the kind of progress that we've made, and they're having an impact.
All our intelligence indicates that Iran's economy is suffering as a consequence of this. And we're also seeing that Iran's influence in the region has ebbed in part because their approach to repression inside of Iran is contrary to the Arab spring that has been sweeping the Middle East.
So we are in a much stronger position now than we were two or three years ago with respect to Iran. Having said that, the recent IAEA report indicates what we already knew, which is, although Iran does not possess a nuclear weapon, and is, you know, technically still allowing IAEA observers into their country, that they are engaging in a series of practices that are contrary to their international obligations and their IAEA obligations. And that's what the IAEA report indicated. So, what I did was to speak with President Medvedev as well as President Hu and all three of us entirely agree on the objective, which is making sure that Iran does not weaponize nuclear power and that we don't trigger a nuclear arms race in the region. That's in the interest of all of us.
In terms of how we move forward, we will be consulting with them carefully over the next several weeks to look at what other options we have available to us. The sanctions have enormous bite and enormous scope. And we're building off the platform that has already been established.
The question is -- are there additional measures that we can take? And we're going to explore every avenue to see if we can solve this issue diplomatically.
I have said repeatedly and I will say today, we are not taking any options off the table because it's my firm belief that an Iran with a nuclear weapon would pose a security threat not only to the region but also to the United States.
But our strong preference is to have Iran meet its international obligations, negotiate diplomatically to allow them to have peaceful use of nuclear energy in accordance with international law, but at the same time, foreswear the weaponization of nuclear power.
So, we're going to keep on pushing on that. And China and Russia have the same aims, the same objectives. And I believe that we'll continue to cooperate and collaborate closely on that issue.
Dan Lothian?
LOTHIAN: Thank you, Mr. President. Last night at the Republican debate, they -- some of the hopefuls -- they hope to get your job -- they defended the practice of waterboarding, which is a practice that you banned in 2009. Herman Cain said, quote, "I don't see that as torture. Michele Bachmann said that it's, quote, "very effective."
So I'm wondering if you think that they are uninformed, out of touch or irresponsible.
OBAMA: That's a multiple choice question, isn't it?
Let me just say this. They're wrong. Waterboarding is torture. It's contrary to America's traditions. It's contrary to our ideals. That's not who we are. That's not how we operate. We don't need it in order to prosecute the war on terrorism.
And we did the right thing by ending that practice. If we want to lead around the world, part of our leadership is setting a good example. And anybody who has actually read about and understands the practice of waterboarding would say that that is torture. And that's not something we do. Period.
Norah O'Donnell. NORAH O'DONNELL, CBS CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT: Thank you, Mr. President. If I could continue on that, the Republicans did have a debate on CBS last night. A lot of it was about foreign policy. And they were very critical of your record.
OBAMA: That's shocking.
O'DONNELL: So if I could get you to respond to something that Mitt Romney said. He said your biggest foreign policy failure is Iran. He said that if you are re-elected, Iran will have a nuclear weapon. Is Mitt Romney wrong?
OBAMA: You know, I am going to make a practice of not commenting on whatever is said in Republican debates until they've got an actual nominee. But as I indicated to Ben in the earlier question, you take a look at what we've been able to accomplish in mobilizing the world community against Iran over the last three years, and it shows steady, determined, firm progress in isolating the Iranian regime and sending a clear message that the world believes it would be dangerous for them to have a nuclear weapon.
Now is this an easy issue? No.
Anybody who claims it is, is either politicking or doesn't know what they are talking about.
But, you know, I think not only the world but the Iranian regime understands very clearly how determined we are to prevent not only a nuclear Iran but also a nuclear arms race in the region, and a violation of nonproliferation norms that would have implications around the world, including in the Asia-Pacific region where we have similar problems with North Korea.
David Nakamura.
DAVID NAKAMURA, "WASHINGTON POST" REPORTER: Thank you, Mr. President. Yesterday in a speech before business leaders, you said that you want China to play by the rules. And then your staff later said that in a bilateral meeting with President Hu that you expressed that American business leaders are growing frustrated with the pace of change in China's economy.
What rules is China not playing by? What specific steps do you need to see from China? And what punitive actions is your administration willing to take as you said it would yesterday if China does not play by the rules?
OBAMA: Well, first of all, I also said yesterday that we welcome the peaceful rise of China. It is in America's interest to see China succeed in lifting hundreds of millions of people out of poverty. China can be a source of stability and help to underwrite international norms and codes of conduct.
And so, you know, what we've done over the last two years is to try to develop a frank, consistent, open relationship and dialogue with China, and it's yielded considerable benefits. For example, you know, support for issues like Iran.
But what I've also said to Chinese leadership since I came into office is that when it comes to their economic practices, there are a range of things that they have done that disadvantage not just the United States but a whole host of their trading partners and countries in the region.
The most famous example is the issue of China's currency. Most economists estimate that the RMB is devalued by 20 percent to 25 percent. That means our exports to China are that much more expensive and their imports into the United States are that much cheaper.
Now, there's been slight improvement over the last year, partly because of U.S. pressure, but it hasn't been enough. And it's time for them to go ahead and move towards a market-based system for their currency.
Now, we recognize they may not be able to do it overnight, but they can do it much more quickly than they've done it so far.
And by the way, that would not necessarily be a bad thing for the Chinese economy because they've been so focused on export-driven growth that they've neglected domestic consumption, building up domestic markets. It makes them much more vulnerable to shocks in the global economy. It throws the whole world economy out of balance because they're not buying as much as they could be from other countries.
And, you know, this is not something that's inconsistent with where Chinese leadership say they want to go. The problem is that you've got a bunch of export producers in China who like the system as it is, and, you know, making changes are difficult for them politically. I get it.
But the United States and other countries, I think, understandably feel that enough is enough. That's not the only concern we have. Intellectual property rights and protections. Companies that do business in China consistently report problems in terms of intellectual property not being protected.
Now that's particularly important for an advanced economy like ours. We're -- you know, that's one of our competitive advantages is we've got great engineers, great entrepreneurs. We're designing extraordinary new products. And if they get no protection and the next thing you know, China's operating as a low-cost producer and not paying any fees or revenues to folks who invented these products. That's a problem.
So those are two examples, but there are a number of others. These practices aren't secret. I think everybody understands that they've been going on for quite some time.
Sometimes American companies are wary about bringing them up because they don't want to be punished in terms of their ability to do business in China. But I don't have that same concern. So I bring it up.
And in terms of enforcement, the other thing that we've been doing is actually trying to enforce the trade laws that are in place. We've brought a number of cases. One that the U.S. press may be familiar with are the cases involving U.S. tires where we brought very aggressive actions against China and won. And as a consequence, U.S. producers are in a better position, and that means more U.S. jobs.
So, I think we can benefit from trade with China. And I want certainly to continue cultivating a constructive relationship with the Chinese government. But we're going to continue to be firm in insisting that they operate by the same rules that everybody else operates under. We don't want them taking advantage of the United States or U.S. businesses.
Jake Tapper.
JAKE TAPPER, ABC NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Thank you, Mr. President. The other day, you told ESPN that the scandal at Penn state, which you said was heartbreaking, should prompt some soul-searching throughout the nation. I'm wondering if you could elaborate on that, what exactly you meant. And I know you are a big fan of college sports. If this is something you think is an indictment not just of what happened at Penn state allegedly but how athletics are revered in universities.
OBAMA: Well, I think that's the kind of soul-searching that I was referring to, Jake. You're right. I'm a big college sports fan. I think that when it's kept in perspective, college athletics not only provides a great outlet for competition for young people, but helps to build a sense of community and, you know, can help to brand a university in a way that is fun and important.
But what happened at Penn state indicates that at a certain point folks start thinking about systems and institutions and don't think about individuals. And when you think about how vulnerable kids are for the alleged facts of that case to have taken place and for folks not to immediately say nothing else matters except making sure those kids are protected. That's a problem.
It's not unique to a college sports environment. I mean, we've seen, you know, problems in other institutions that are equally heartbreaking. Not all of them involve children, by the way. I mean, you know, there have been problems, obviously, with respect to sexual abuse or assault directed against women, where institutions sort of closed ranks instead of getting on top of it right away.
And that's why I said I think all institutions, not just universities or sports programs have to step back and take stock and make sure that we're doing everything we can to protect people who may be vulnerable in these circumstances.
But also just keep in mind what's important. You know, keeping and making sure that our excitement about a college sports program doesn't get in the way of our basic human response when somebody is being hurt.
And, you know, it's been said that evil can thrive in the world just by good people standing by and doing nothing. And, you know, all of us, I think, have occasion where we see something that's wrong. We've got to make sure that we step up. That's true in college athletics. That's true in our government. That's true everywhere.
Julianna Goldman.
JULIANNA GOLDMAN, BLOOMBERG NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Thank you, Mr. President.
In conversations that you've had over the past couple of days with Asia Pacific leaders, have any of them brought up the rhetoric that we're seeing from Republican presidential candidates when it comes to China?
And does that kind of rhetoric or posturing jeopardize the progress that your administration has made with China and the Asia Pacific region as a whole?
OBAMA: I think most leaders here understand that politics is not always measured or on the level, and so most of our discussions have to do with substance: How do we put our people back to work right now? How do we expand trade? How do we expand exports?
I've been very frank with Chinese leaders, though, in saying that the American people across the board -- left, right and center -- believe in trade, believe in competition. We think we've got the best workers in the world. We think we've got the best universities, the best entrepreneurs, the best free market. We're ready to go out there and compete with anybody. But there is a concern across the political spectrum that the playing field is not level right now.
And so, in conversations with President Hu and others, what I've tried to say is we have the opportunity to move in a direction in which this is a win-win: China is benefiting from trade with the United States; the United States is benefiting as well. Jobs are being created in the United States and not just in China. But right now things are out of kilter. And that is something that is shared across the board, as we saw with the recent vote on the Chinese currency issue in the Senate.
And I think leaders in the region understand that as China grows, as its economic influence expands, that the expectation is, is that they will be a responsible leader in the world economy -- which is what the United States has tried to do.
I mean, we try to set up rules that are universal, that everybody can follow, and then we play by those rules. And then we compete fiercely. But we don't try to game the system. That's part of what leadership is about.
China has the opportunity to be that same type of leader. And as the world's second-largest economy, I think that's going to be important not just for this region, but for the world. But that requires them to take responsibility, to understand that their role is different now than it might have been 20 years ago or 30 years ago, where if they were breaking some rules, it didn't really matter, it did not have a significant impact. You weren't seeing huge trade imbalances that had consequences for the world financial system.
Now they've grown up, and so they're going to have to help manage this process in a responsible way.
Laura Meckler.
LAURA MECKLER, "WALL STREET JOURNAL" REPORTER: Thank you, Mr. President.
Why did you get rid of the aloha shirts and the grass skirts?
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MECKLER: Are you at all concerned that it not appear that you're having a party over here while so many people are living with such a tough economy? And I'm wondering if those perceptions were at all on your mind as you were making plans for this trip, which, by necessity, takes you to some pretty exotic and fun locations.
OBAMA: I got rid of the Hawaiian shirts because I had looked at pictures of some of the previous APEC meetings and some of the garb that had appeared previously, and I thought this may be a tradition that we might want to break. I suggested to the leaders -- we gave them a shirt, and if they wanted to wear the shirt, I promise you it would have been fine. But I didn't hear a lot of complaints about us breaking precedent on that one.
With respect to this trip, look, this is a pretty nice piece of scenery here and I take enormous pride in having been raised in the state of Hawaii, but we're here for business. We're here to create jobs. We're here to promote exports. And we've got a set of tangible, concrete steps that have been taken that are going to make our economy stronger, and that's part of what our leadership has been about.
When I went to Europe last week, our job was to help shape a solution for the European crisis. And a lot of folks back home might have wondered, well, that's Europe's problem; why are we worrying about it?
Well, if Europe has a major recession, and the financial system in Europe starts spinning out of control, that will have a direct impact on U.S. growth and our ability to create jobs and people raising their living standards.
The same is true out here. If we're not playing out here in the world's largest regional economy and the world's fastest regional economy, if we've abandoned the field and we're not engaged, American businesses will lose out and those jobs won't be in the United States of America. So part of my job is to make sure that the rules of the road are set up so that our folks can compete effectively. Part of my job is to sell America and our products and our services around the world, and I think we've done so very effectively.
And as I said, just to take the example of exports, we're on track to double our exports since I came into office. That was a goal I set, and we're on track to meet it. That's actually been one of the stronger parts of our economic growth over the last couple of years. And I want to make sure that we keep on driving that.
Chuck Todd.
CHUCK TODD, CHIEF WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, NBC NEWS: Thank you, Mr. President.
The Republican co-chair of the super committee, Jeb Hensarling, went on TV today and said if the sequester happens -- this idea of the automatic cuts in Medicare and defense -- that there was plenty of motivation and plenty of votes to change the makeup of these automatic cuts.
I know you had a conversation with him about this and said that changing it in any way was off the table, that means you're going to veto this bill, if that's the case, if it ends up they can't get a deal in the next 10 days.
And then, can you clarify your end of the "hot mic" conversation with French President Nicolas Sarkozy, as it involved Israeli Prime Minister Netanyahu?
OBAMA: Could I just say that Chuck is the only guy who asked two questions -- so far. So just -- when I cut off here, whoever was next in the queue -- I'm messing with you, Chuck.
With respect to the super committee, in August we negotiated to initiate a trillion dollars in cuts over the next 10 years -- primarily out of discretionary spending -- but we also said that in order for us to move towards a more stable fiscal condition that we're going to have to get an additional $1.2 minimum.
I actually argued that we needed more than that. And the whole idea of the sequester was to make sure that both sides felt obligated to move off rigid positions and do what was required to help the country.
And since that time, they've had a lot of conversations, but it feels as if people continue to try to stick with their rigid positions rather than solve the problem.
Now, I've put forward a very detailed approach that would achieve $3 trillion-plus in savings. And it's the sort of balanced approach that the American people prefer. It says everything is on the table. We've got to have discretionary spending cuts of the sort we've already put in place. We've got to have non-defense cuts. We've got to have defense cuts. We're going to have to look at entitlement programs. We've got to reduce our health care costs. And we're going to need additional revenue.
And when we're talking about revenue, if we've got to raise money, it makes sense for us to start by asking the wealthiest among us to pay a little bit more before we start asking seniors, for example, to pay a lot more for their Medicare.
Now, this is the same presentation that I made to Speaker Boehner back in August. It's the same kind of balanced approach that every single independent committee that's looked at this has said needs to be done. And it just feels as if people keep on wanting to jigger the math so that they get a different outcome.
Well, the equation, no matter how you do it, is going to be the same. If you want a balanced approach that doesn't gut Medicare and Medicaid, doesn't prevent us from making investments in education and basic science and research, all the things we've been talking about here at APEC, that every world leader understands is the key for long-term economic success, then prudent cuts have to be matched up with revenue.
My hope is that over the next several days, the congressional leadership on the super committee go ahead and bite the bullet and do what needs to be done because the math won't change. There's no magic formula. There are no magic beans that you can toss on the ground and suddenly a bunch of money grows on trees.
We got to just go ahead and do the responsible thing. And I'm prepared to sign legislation that is balanced, that solves this problem.
One other thing that I want to say about this: When I meet with world leaders, what's striking, whether it's in Europe or here in Asia, the kinds of fundamental reforms and changes both on the revenue side and the public pension side that other countries are having to make are so much more significant than what we need to do in order to get our books in order.
This doesn't require radical changes to America or its way of life. It just means that we spread out the sacrifice across every sector so that it's fair; so that people don't feel as if once again people who are well connected, people who have lobbyists, special interests get off easy, and the burden is placed on middle-class families that are already struggling. So if other countries can do it, we can do it, and we can do it in a responsible way.
I'm not going to comment on whether I'd veto a particular bill until I actually see a bill, because I still hold out the prospect that there's going to be a light-bulb moment where everybody says "Ah- ha! Here's what we've got to do."
With respect to the "hot mic" in France, I'm not going to comment on conversations that I have with individual leaders, but what I will say is this: The primary conversation I had with President Sarkozy in that meeting revolved around my significant disappointment that France had voted in favor of the Palestinians joining UNESCO, knowing full well that under our laws, that would require the United States cutting off funding to UNESCO, and after I had consistently made the argument that the only way we're going to solve the Middle East situation is if Palestinians and Israelis sit down at the table and negotiate; that it is not going to work to try to do an end run through the United Nations.
So I had a very frank and firm conversation with President Sarkozy about that issue. And that is consistent with both private and public statements that I've been making to everybody over the last several months.
Ed Henry.
ED HENRY, WHITE HOUSE CORRESPONDENT, FOX NEWS: Mr. President, I have three questions -- (LAUGHTER) -- starting with Mitt Romney. Just one question, I promise. (LAUGHTER.)
You started with a $447-billion jobs bill. Two months later, many speeches later, you've got virtually nothing from that. You've got the veterans jobs bill, which is important, obviously, and a lot of executive orders. Are you coming to the realization that you may just get nothing here and go to the American people in 2012 without another jobs bill, 9 percent unemployment, and then wondering about your leadership, sir?
OBAMA: Well, I think -- I think, first of all, the American people, at this point, are wondering about congressional leadership in failing to pass the jobs bill, the components of which the majority of Americans, including many Republicans, think are a good idea.
And that's part of the reason why the American people right now aren't feeling real good about Congress. Normally, by the way, the way politics works is if the overwhelming majority of the American people aren't happy with what you're doing you start doing something different. So far that hasn't happened in Congress -- and the Republicans in Congress, in particular. They don't seem to have that same sense of urgency about needing to put people back to work.
I'm going to keep on pushing. My expectation is, is that we will get some of it done now, and I'll keep on pushing until we get all of it done. And that may take me all the way to November to get it all done. And it may take a new Congress to get it all done. But the component parts, cutting taxes for middle-class families, cutting taxes for small businesses that are hiring our veterans and hiring the long-term unemployed, putting teachers back in the classroom, here in the state of Hawaii, you have a bunch of kids who are going to school four days a week because of budget problems. How are we going to win the competition in the 21st century with our kids going to school basically halftime?
The jobs bill would help alleviate those budget pressures at the state level. Rebuilding our infrastructure. Every world leader that you talk to, they're saying to themselves, how can we make sure we've got a first-class infrastructure? And as you travel through the Asia Pacific region, you see China having better airports than us, Singapore having superior ports to ours. Well, that's going to impact our capacity to do business here, our capacity to trade, our capacity to get U.S. products made by U.S. workers into the fastest-growing market in the world. And by the way, we could put a lot of people back to work at the same time.
So I'm going to keep on pushing. And my expectation is, is that we will just keep on chipping away at this. If you're asking me do I anticipate that the Republican leadership in the House or the Senate suddenly decide that I was right all along and they will adopt a hundred percent of my proposals, the answer is, no, I don't expect that.
Do I anticipate that at some point they recognize that doing nothing is not an option? That's my hope. And that should be their hope, too, because if they don't, I think we'll have a different set of leaders in Congress.
All right? Thank you very much, everybody. Thank you.
DON LEMON, CNN ANCHOR: President Barack Obama wrapping up a press conference there in Honolulu, Hawaii. We're going to have a complete analysis of all the questions and answers the president took. Everything from Iran sanctions to Penn State, the childhood sex scandal there going on, the jobs bill, a hot mike and on and on and on. Hawaiian shirts.
Complete analysis on the other side of this break.
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LEMON: All right. Back now with analysis on the president's speech. Let's bring in our White House correspondent Dan Lothian who is traveling with the president.
Dan, we thought he was going to go till the top of the hour to make our jobs a little bit easier, but he gave us some time to talk. Well, listen, seriously here, the question about waterboarding came up last night in the debates. The president got a question about it as well.
LOTHIAN: That's right.
LEMON: From you. What did you think of his response?
LOTHIAN: Well, you know, I thought it was a very direct response. I was asking him to comment on whether or not he thought it was irresponsible among other things when Herman Cain and Michele Bachmann and others said that they supported waterboarding. And take a listen to how the president was very blunt in his response to my question.
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OBAMA: Let me just say this. They're wrong. Waterboarding is torture. It's contrary to America's traditions. It's contrary to our ideals. That's not who we are. That's not how we operate. We don't need it in order to prosecute the war on terrorism.
And we did the right thing by ending that practice. If we want to lead around the world, part of our leadership is setting a good example. And anybody who has actually read about and understands the practice of waterboarding would say that that is torture. And that's not something we do. Period.
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LOTHIAN: Now the president was also asked a question about the Republicans targeting him on Iran. He did not take that question at all. In fact, suggesting that he did not want to weigh in on what the Republicans were saying until they had settled on their candidate.
The president, though, his -- the theme of this press conference if you will, at least at the top, was the president talking about how his number one goal is to create more jobs at home to lower that unemployment rate. And he won't stop until he sees more and more goods that have stamped on them three words, Made in America. Don.
LEMON: All right, Dan Lothian in Honolulu. Dan, thanks very much.
I want to bring in now CNN contributor David Frum.
David, you heard Dan saying this is mostly about the economy. That's why the president is there. He said the best way to put people back to work is to increase trade around the world. That's what the mission is here.
DAVID FRUM, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, that's, of course, an important and worthwhile mission. Trade, however, contributes over the long term. It doesn't offer any kind of an immediate response to the country's economic difficulties. We all want to see a stronger international trade regime, especially since it looks like the whole WTO system is breaking down. And we're going back instead to country by country deals.
LEMON: Yes. I thought it was interesting, too, at the very end there, he got a question about his $447 billion jobs bill. You started with a $447 billion jobs bill. You've hardly gotten anything that you wanted. Is it time? Do you think now that this is going to be your legacy, that you aren't going to be able to accomplish anything? The president said I'm going to keep trying up until November of next year to try to get all of this done.
FRUM: Well, what's so disappointing with the president's most recent jobs proposal is it includes a lot of things that are good ideas. But the president insisted on tethering his ideas, many of which, as he said, have been accepted by Republicans in the past to a tax increase that he had to know was going to be unacceptable to Republicans.
And it raises the cynical thought, was he trying to get to no? Is the no more useful to him than the yes? Because think of it this way. Supposing the Republicans had said yes to everything he proposed, the effect of those measures would have kicked in quite late in 2012 and still wouldn't have made much of a dent in the unemployment numbers by voting day of 2012.
What he now has is not a slow acting jobs bill that will do -- that might have done a little bit of good at the margin. He now has an issue. And you could say, see, unemployment would go away if only those Republicans have exceeded. But, of course, he himself made sure they wouldn't by attaching the job proposals to tax measures.
LEMON: And that's going to have to be the last word. David Frum, thank you for joining us.
FRUM: Thank you, Don.
LEMON: And thank you for joining us tonight, viewers. I'll see you back here next weekend. Good night.
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