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Occupy the Subway; White House Shooting Suspect in Court; Pentagon Unveils New Bunker Busting Bomb; New DNA Evidence Leads Judge to Vacate Murder Conviction; Occupy Wall Street movement organizes Protests Across New York City; Photographer of Rock 'n Roll Icons Gives Interview

Aired November 17, 2011 - 15:00   ET

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BROOKE BALDWIN, CNN ANCHOR: Now top of the hour, watch this.

All right, rolling on, I'm Brooke Baldwin.

Right now, as we mentioned, Occupy Wall Street protesters, they are scheduled to descend upon subway stations throughout New York City. They're calling it Occupy the Subway.

Also the man accused of shooting at the White House last Friday appears in court today.

Plus, more potential victims in the Penn State child rape scandal.

And a stunning statistic about women's health.

Time to play "Reporter Roulette" here.

Mary Snow, I want to begin with you at the epicenter of this Occupy Wall Street movement there in Lower Manhattan. Mary, when we talk about the subway stations, specifically how many will be affected this afternoon?

MARY SNOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We will take that question, Brooke, right to the one of the spokespeople for the Occupy Wall Street movement. His name is Mark Bray (ph).

Mark, people are heading to subways. How many subway stations are you guys targeting? What is the goal here? We have been hearing you're trying to shut down subways. What is the goal and how many stations and subways do you plan to...

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, we're heading to about 15 different subway stations dispersed through the five boroughs of New York.

People are heading over to Union Square from here right now. The idea is not to shut down the subways. It is not to inconvenience the 99 percent as they're going around their day, the activities of the day. The idea is to bring people out from the boroughs, have them speak about their experiences of hardship and personal problems and connect it to the ideas of Occupy Wall Street.

Then they will take the subway over to Foley Square for our march with the unions and community groups at 5:00.

SNOW: That will be for the big march at 5:00 across the Brooklyn Bridge.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It should have thousands of people. It will be a really big march.

SNOW: The city has said, look, on the pedestrian walkway, you can march. You cannot block traffic. Are you going to abide by that?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Well, most people will head over to the pedestrian walkway. Some people may choose to engage in nonviolent civil disobedience. It's part of what we do.

And what we say is that if writing letters to our congresspeople were sufficient, if voting were sufficient, we would be doing that. But unfortunately it is not getting the job done. We have to really shake things up. We have to make a public spectacle to get our voice across. And it's been working.

Some people may choose to take the roadway but certainly we are totally against any form of actual violence.

SNOW: All right, Mark Bray (ph), thank you for your time today.

Brooke, we will send it back to you.

BALDWIN: All right. Mary Snow for us in New York, Mary, thank you.

Next on "Reporter Roulette," the man accused of shooting at the White House is now charged with attempting to assassinate the president or a member of his staff.

Athena Jones live at the White House for us.

Athena, tell me about the hearing.

ATHENA JONES, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It was a brief hearing. It only lasted about 12 minutes. He was given that charge, which is not an unusual charge. A man who had a shooting at the White House in 1994 was convicted of the same charge.

But in the hearing, the suspect came in. He was shackled by the legs, he was shackled by the -- handcuffed as well wearing a white jumpsuit. Heavily guarded by U.S. Marshals. He only spoke two words during the whole hearing. And that is when the judge asked him if he had understood what his public defender had said on his behalf.

Now, the charge of attempting to assassinate the president or a member of his staff carries a maximum sentence of life in prison and a $250,000 fine. But it was a very, very quick hearing today. We understand that they asked for him to be kept in custody saying he was a flight risk. We know that he will be transferred to D.C. at some point over the next few days. He won't be formally charged, formally indicted, I should say, until he gets here -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: Who is this guy, Athena? What do you know about the man?

JONES: Well, we know that he's 21 years old. We know that he has had a criminal history in three states, Idaho, Texas and Utah. He was arrested numerous time in Idaho for various charges, drug violations, alcohol violations, resisting arrest.

We also know that his parents reported him missing back at the end of October, October 31. They reported him missing, and that he turned up here in the last few days. Police tracked him down because they had learned that he had spent some time visiting friends or associates there in western Pennsylvania around Indian, Pennsylvania, which is a town about 65 miles outside of Pittsburgh.

But we're still waiting to hear more about what the motive could have been. We're told by -- that police have discovered through interviews with friends and family that he had an intense interest in the White House or the president. But we're still waiting to hear more -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: Athena Jones, I appreciate it.

Next on "Reporter Roulette," more alleged victims coming forward in the Penn State child sex scandal.

Mike Galanos live for us at University Park, Pennsylvania.

And here's what we're learning, Mike, that some of these new alleged victims, they're coming forward specifically because of the interview Jerry Sandusky gave on TV this week.

MIKE GALANOS, HEADLINE NEWS CORRESPONDENT: Brooke, think of that. Sandusky goes on -- I still don't know why he would, what the goal in all that was. But he gives the interview to Bob Costas, I guess trying to make himself look better. That shook up potentially victims from the past. We're talking a long time ago.

Our colleague Sara Ganim right here in State College spoke to an attorney who spoke to people who say they were victimized by Sandusky in the '70s. Our colleague Jason Carroll talking to an attorney in Saint Louis, he spoke to potential victims, this attorney did, from the 1980s.

That's our concern here as we follow this. The Second Mile foundation was founded in 1977 in Sandusky. The first allegation in that grand jury presentment is 1994. That's a 17-year window where we could have potential victims and it sounds like some who say they were victimized are now coming forward.

BALDWIN: So as we watch these additional young people, I guess now adults, coming forward, there's also new reporting today about how investigators, police found Mike McQueary, now the assistant coach at the time, the grad assistant who alleges that he saw Sandusky raping a 10-year-old in the shower. He did not come forward? How did they find him?

GALANOS: It's fascinating. We talk about the Internet technology. It was an Internet chat forum, people talking about chatting about Penn State athletics. And because investigators were looking at who could have seen something. Well, Mike McQueary's name come up.

That's how they get the tip. They follow up with McQueary and next thing you know they meet him in some out-of-the-way parking lot according to this reporting and McQueary is ready to talk and basically said he unburdened himself to tell the truth, so really interesting how things went down.

BALDWIN: Mike Galanos in University Park, thank you.

Also, startling new findings about women and prescription drugs. A study shows one in four take medication for a mental health problem. That is compared to just about one out of seven men.

Senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen is here to talk about a little bit this.

I read this, this morning. I thought one in four?

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: I know. That number is way higher...

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BALDWIN: That's a huge number.

COHEN: It's a huge number. It really is.

BALDWIN: What are we talking about?

COHEN: We're talking about antidepressants in particular. Those are the most popular, the most common, I should say. Anti-anxiety medication and ADHD medicine are also common.

When you take a look at these numbers, this shows you how much these have gone up over the years. Antidepressants up 29 percent over the past 10 years again in women, anti-anxiety drugs, when you look at preteen and teenage women, up 50 percent, and ADHD drugs in 20-44- year-olds up 264 percent.

BALDWIN: Why? Why the upward trend?

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COHEN: We don't really know. But one explanation is women really are experiencing these problems more than they did years ago. That's possible.

Another is that the baby boomers are aging and a lot of these drugs are being prescribed to people 65 and older. Another possible explanation is marketing, that drug companies are really great at marketing, more effective. They market to you and me. They market to doctors. And that marking appears to work.

(CROSSTALK) BALDWIN: But then why aren't we seeing the same trend among men? Why is it women taking these drugs?

COHEN: Right. Again, nobody knows the answer.

One possible answer is that women go to the doctor more than men do. There's more opportunities to have that discussion with the doctor. And doctors -- drug company reps go to doctors and encourage them to prescribe these medications. So that could be one of the reasons.

Another reason, women are often more open about their feelings. They may be more willing to say, Doctor, I'm not feeling great. I'm feeling down a lot. Men might not be as open to admitting that.

BALDWIN: Interesting, Elizabeth Cohen.

One out of four women. Thank you. Thank you for that.

That's your "Reporter Roulette" here for us on this Thursday.

Coming up next, let's talk about -- we're keeping an eye on Occupy New York, which isn't the only place protesters are storming today. Coming up, we will take you live to Los Angeles, where some folks there have refused to leave.

Plus, they're called bunker busters, 30,000-pound bombs. And the Pentagon has them. But who is the target?

Also, this:

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The largest cheating scheme ever brought by the federal government.

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BALDWIN: This is wild, this blackjack bust, a dealer accused of faking shuffles and his accomplice spilling card secrets through his cigarette. Wait until you hear how this went down.

Also, Hillary Clinton's motorcade attacked and egged. We have the video next.

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BALDWIN: More than 1,000 occupy protesters marched into the financial district in downtown Los Angeles this morning. A small number set up tents and refused to leave.

Let's go live to Casey Wian in Los Angeles.

And, Casey, I have got to tell you, the picture behind you quite a different scene than we have been seeing in New York. Fairly peaceful today?

CASEY WIAN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: A lot quieter about New York. Maybe there is something about the stereotype difference between New Yorkers and Los -- and Angelinos, because, yes, as you mentioned, hundreds, perhaps over 1,000 protesters here in Los Angeles briefly shutting down an intersection in downtown Los Angeles this morning.

The Los Angeles Police Department says 25 people were arrested, charged with mostly misdemeanor unlawful assembly. This group was a combination of people from the tent city, if you will, behind me that have been here for weeks and weeks, and some labor groups who came here to demonstrate and show their support for the Occupy L.A. movement.

Let's hear what a couple of them had to say.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's important that Wall Street and the corporations understand we aren't going to take it anymore.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I know a lot of people, loved ones of mine and friends of mine, that are being affected by this economy. And I think that the sort of 99 percent movement in the streets, the wrong people being held accountable for that situation, right, the wrong people being arrested.

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WIAN: Now, Brooke, what is perhaps the most striking thing we have seen so far is if you recall back to 2007, when the immigrants rights rallies were going on in Los Angeles and the LAPD clashed with some of those protesters, officers were disciplined.

A lot of folks including members of the news media who were reporting on the situation were injured. Million of dollars in settlements were paid out. There has been incredible communication between the Occupy Los Angeles organizers, if you will, and the police. The police showing a lot of restraint. The Occupy folks showing a lot of restraint. That's why you have seen things be relatively peaceful so far.

Now, we're going to have another march in about 45 minutes, noon local time, where protesters again will be taking to the streets. And police are watching, but so far no indications of any significant violence -- Brooke.

BALDWIN: OK. Casey Wian in L.A., Casey, thanks.

A team of card-counters busted in one of the most elaborate casino cheating scams in history. We are going to show you how they walked away about $7 million and what eventually led to their capture.

Do not miss this. That's next.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) BALDWIN: As card cheats go, these guys were pros. They hit casino after casino, raking in million of dollars. But this whole thing ended at a blackjack table in San Diego when their luck ran out.

Let's go to David Schwartz. He teaches the science of gambling at the University of Nevada in Las Vegas.

And, David, good to have you back on. We talked about a casino heist last time. Now we're talking about this, what is being called the most elaborate card cheating scam in U.S. history.

Walk me through this. From the false shuffle through the cigarette, how did they pull this off?

DAVID SCHWARTZ, UNIVERSITY OF NEVADA, LAS VEGAS: Basically, what they had to do was they had to get a dealer to do a false shuffle, which is when they appear to shuffle the cards, but don't really shuffle them. That leaves a stack of cards in the same order.

At the same time, he is dictating the flow of the cards into a microphone that is hidden into his collar near a cigarette which is being relayed back to a guy who is keeping track of it. So then when the cards come up again, he can tell them exactly which card will be dealt and he can bet accordingly.

BALDWIN: OK. Hang on, hang on, hang on. I know that the false shuffle, it's kind of a simple old con. We have heard about that before.

But the fact that you have this guy -- I know this is some of the video, some of the actual surveillance video of this incident. He's smoking a cigarette. Have you ever heard of this before where a guy has a cigarette, and it is tied into some other guy sitting in a van outside, all part of this elaborate cheating scheme?

SCHWARTZ: This is an example of how elaborate a lot of these cheating schemes are getting. And they're very technically savvy. They're really keeping up with the times. And pretty much everything they do is going to be moving ahead. I think this is a really good example of how they keep on the cutting edge.

BALDWIN: Before they got busted, I read that they were doing this in 25 different casinos. In total, David, how much money did they get, did they steal?

SCHWARTZ: I believe it was around $7 million. It was a lot of money. This really happens more often than people think.

When they're able to come into these smaller casinos that might not have the most up-to-date surveillance methods, they're usually able to hit them, and they can hit them for a lot of money.

BALDWIN: So is that what it is? Because all I could think was, and I have only been in big Vegas casinos, I'm not the biggest gambler, is, you have got cameras everywhere. I guess the trick with this crowd was to hit the smaller casinos where the technology wasn't so up to par? Is that what I'm hearing?

SCHWARTZ: Yes. You do. You do have cameras everywhere but they're only as good as the back end systems upstairs and as the people who are watching it. So they can see what you're doing. But if they don't suspect you of cheating, they are not going to be looking for the little tipoffs that something has gone wrong and they will just watch you basically steal the money.

BALDWIN: Well, David Schwartz, the house always wins, doesn't it?

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SCHWARTZ: Oh, sometimes it doesn't, but usually it does.

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BALDWIN: David, thank you so much for us in Las Vegas.

Coming up, my next guest says Herman Cain is sucking the oxygen out of the GOP presidential race. We will tell you how and why next.

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POPPY HARLOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Time now for the Help Desk, where we get answers to your financial questions.

Joining me this hour, Jack Otter is the executive editor of CBSMoneyWatch.com. Donna Rosato is a senior editor at "Money" magazine.

Guys, thank you for being here.

Donna, first to you. Your question comes to us from Luis in California. Luis took his 10-year-old daughter to the bank and discovered that someone had opened a bank account using her Social Security number.

The question is, how can he monitor her identity and credit? Can you believe it, 10 years old.

DONNA ROSATO, SENIOR EDITOR, "MONEY": It's so shocking, but it's not uncommon. People who steal identities often target young people, because it takes so long for them to discover that there's a problem.

HARLOW: Wow.

ROSATO: Usually it happens when they're taking out a student loan or even getting a job. So that is one of the reasons.

So it is really great that this person discovered this with his daughter now. But you do want to keep an eye on the account. There are credit monitoring services where you can do this, but they can be kind of expensive. It ends up being like $200 a year to pay for this. You can do it yourself at no cost.

You can get three times a year -- at AnnualCreditReport.com, you can get the credit reports for no cost. If you want to do it more often, you can buy just them yourself and it's not that much working.

HARLOW: It's worth checking, of course.

ROSATO: For sure.

HARLOW: Jack, your question come from Muriel in Key West, Florida.

Muriel said that her only investment, a student military Thrift Savings Plan. She invests 5 percent of her income in the plan, but the military doesn't match that. So the question is how risky is the investment and should she lower the percentage that she's contributing?

JACK OTTER, EXECUTIVE EDITOR, CBSMONEYWATCH.COM: No.

First of all, she is Actually very lucky. The Thrift Savings Plan is literally the best 401(k) known to man.

HARLOW: Really?

OTTER: The expenses are so low that the average 401(k) is 67 times more expensive than the Thrift Savings Plan. So, if anything, she should raise the percentage she's putting in.

HARLOW: Go to the max.

OTTER: Absolutely.

Now, the risk has nothing to do with the actual plan. It is the investments within the plan that she chooses. In this case, I would say take the Lifecycle Fund. It's very good. Of course, it is low expense. And it will get more conservative as she ages. It sounds like she may not be that into investing, so I would go on autopilot, take the Lifecycle plan, and be glad that she has this. Max it out.

HARLOW: Well, good to know she has a good option there.

Thank you guys so much.

And if you have a question that you want answered, please just send us an e-mail any time to CNNHelpDesk@CNN.com.

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BALDWIN: Herman Cain, he's had a couple of flubs on the campaign trail, but could he bring the Republican race for president down right along with him?

Gloria Borger joins us with America's Choice 2012.

Gloria, let me quote you in your CNN.com./opinion article. You say: "When the gaffes continued and the sexual harassment allegations surfaced, it was no longer harmless. Cain became a parody of the empty suit candidate and his campaign proudly carried his baggage."

And then there was that campaign ad that went viral, campaign manager, you know, smoking in the end there.

Do you think right now Herman Cain can be a serious candidate?

GLORIA BORGER, CNN SENIOR POLITICAL ANALYST: No, I don't think he is a serious candidate, Brooke.

Presidential campaigns -- and I have covered a few of them -- require candidates with an array of ideas and beliefs, not just one. We know Herman Cain has 999. But it also requires an awful lot of preparation, a lot of discipline and a lot of diligence. And we haven't seen that on the campaign.

We have seen one idea, and then we see a candidate, when he flubs, as he did in that interview the other day with "The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel" when he was asked about the president's policy on Libya, whether he disagreed with it, and he couldn't really recall what the president's policy was or what his own policy was, he kind of defends himself proudly by saying, you know, I'm not really supposed to know about foreign policy.

Well, in fact, he is supposed to know about foreign policy. We're electing a commander in chief. And voters take that very seriously.

BALDWIN: You say that was worse than the brain freeze, Rick Perry's moment.

BORGER: It was. It was. The Perry brain freeze, he just couldn't remember a third agency. Right? Yes, different.

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BALDWIN: Right.

You talked to a number of Republicans who seem anxious to quote you, believe that Cain just might be sucking all of the oxygen out of the GOP race. How so?

BORGER: Well, they're worried that people like us are giving Herman Cain an awful lot of attention, which is true, and that it somehow trivializes the entire Republican field, that there are some serious candidates there who take the run for the presidency seriously.

And none of these other candidates have really attacked Herman Cain frontally on the issues or the questions of sexual harassment that have been out there other than someone like Mitt Romney saying that it is kind of troubling.

When Cain says you don't need to know about foreign policy, the Republican brand is about national security and foreign policy in addition to fiscal conservatism. So they think that that kind of flies in the face of what Republicans need to be about and need to talk about.

BALDWIN: Well, as a result of said instances with regard to Herman Cain and also Rick Perry, we have to talk about Newt Gingrich who is going up, up, up. He said in the town hall not too long ago, look, I was a dead candidate in June and July. Now look at him.

But he is facing some tough questions over his work for Freddie Mac, accusations that he served as a lobbyist, made a lot of money. How big of a test is that in his campaign now that his numbers are up?

BORGER: It is a very large test. And the question with Newt Gingrich always comes down to discipline. Will he be a disciplined enough candidate to be able to answer these questions directly and to do it without getting kind of nasty, which he can get?

Today I must say, he was asked about this and he told journalists that he would cheerfully, which is his word, cheerfully answer these questions. He said, look, I'm running for president. You have a right to vet me. So go at it. If he keeps up with that attitude, answers the questions directly, people can decide for themselves. But he decided not to take the attack of just attacking the media because in the long run, he knew that wouldn't work for him.

BALDWIN: Gloria Borger, chief political analyst, you are so good at putting thing in perspective. We encourage everyone to go to CNN.com/opinion and read "When are GOP candidates going to take on Herman Cain?" Ms. Borger, good to see you. Thank you very much

BORGER: Thank you.

BALDWIN: Tuesday night on CNN the Republicans running for president will be holding yet another debate, this time steps away from the White House. The Republican national security debate co-sponsored by the Heritage Foundation and the American enterprise institute begins at 8:00 eastern time Tuesday night. Don't miss it.

Coming up next, the Pentagon unveiling its newest weapon, a bunker buster bomb 20 feet long that can explode 200 feet underground. The question is, who is the target?

Plus, a man is suing an airline over 45 alcoholic drinks. Why? Sunny Hostin is on the case. You're going to want to stick around for this one.

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BALDWIN: The U.S. military adding a massive new weapon to its arsenal, a bunker busting bomb. And it has one primary mission, that being pulverizing enemy hideouts which could be up to 20 -- excuse me, 200 feet down below the earth's surface. The Pentagon says the massive ordnance penetrator, or MOP for short, is not intended for Iran's underground nuclear facility.

Let's go to the Pentagon. Our correspondent there Barbara Starr looking into this bunker buster bomb. How exactly -- first, Barbara, how exactly do they work?

BARBARA STARR, CNN PENTAGON CORRESPONDENT: Well, this is a 30,000 pound bomb, 30,000 pounds, 5,000 pounds of explosive material on board. It's going to be carried to its targets by those long range B- 2 or B-52 bombers that we've seen in action for the last 10 years. And it will be dropped by those. That's kind of, you cannot quite see the bomb but that is a test flight. You see the picture there of it in a test mode.

Now the air force has the delivery of the very first ones at Whiteman Air Force base to be used on B-2 bombers. They're in the arsenal now. If the president was to order a strike against the kind of targets they go after, 5,000 pounds of explosive material packed inside a 30,000 pound bomb.

BALDWIN: Wow. So if the Pentagon is saying this is not for the underground facility in Iran, what is it used for?

STARR: They can say that, can't they?

BALDWIN: I have to ask.

STARR: The policy of the United States right now is diplomacy, sanctions, economic pressure against Iran. Nobody is looking for a war. But these weapons actually went into development several years ago for these very kinds of targets underground targets, facilities buried deep underground wherever they may be. So who has them? Iran, North Korea, many countries around the world. Syria has buried things underground. China is working on the same kind of technology. But clearly North Korea and Iran, who have such experience in burying their targets underground, that's the two target sets, the two countries that the U.S. is eyeballing the most.

BALDWIN: Barbara Starr, thank you for that.

Now to a new story. We actually talked about this yesterday. In Chicago, this judge tosses four murder convictions because the DNA is pointing to another man. The problem is these four suspects who went to prison years ago as teenagers, they're now grown member. Let's bring in Sunny Hostin as always. She's "On the Case" for us. Sunny, let me use this word. It's "vacating." The judge vacated the convictions of these four men. What precisely does "vacating" mean here?

SUNNY HOSTIN, CNN LEGAL CONTRIBUTOR: Well, it means he tossed out those convictions and they would have to try them again. The government would have to try them again to get a conviction again. It doesn't mean that they're acquitted. It doesn't mean that they go free. But it does mean that they get a new trial.

The prosecution will have to now determine whether or not they can prove their case in light of the fact that, as you mentioned, there is a man whose DNA was found on the victim. He is a convicted murderer. He was shot to death in 2008. But get this. He was arrested 83 times, convicted 38 times, charged with murder three times, and convicted once. And so there is no question that the person whose DNA links him to the crime is a career criminal.

In light of that type of evidence, I would be shocked if this case went to trial again, and if it did go to trial if these men were convicted again. I think this case goes away for them. BALDWIN: Even though they confessed years ago to killing this young woman, and as you pointed out, the DNA now linked with someone else who is now dead, they have to decide if they go to trial. And you're saying, essentially, what if there is a new trial, what would be your take?

HOSTIN: If there is a new trial and I don't think there will be. The prosecution would have to hang their hat on these confessions. Of course, these defendants are saying they were teenagers. They were forced confessions. We know in Chicago they do have a history of forced confessions. And so I would be very surprised if they were able to get convictions, again, in light of this new evidence. This is staggering. The Innocence Project has done such great work all over the country, especially in Chicago. And I would be very, very surprised if this prosecution team decided to go forward again.

BALDWIN: OK, next case. Let's talk about drinking on an airplane or wishing, I guess, one had some drinks on an airplane. So this Illinois man is suing Southwest Airlines. The airline has stopped honoring these coupons for free drinks. The coupons were given to select travelers, did not have expiration dates. So this particular passenger, this guy Adam Levitt said he had accumulated over the years 45 free drink coupons. He is suing Southwest for breaching this contract. Really? What's your take on this?

HOSTIN: Don't you feel sorry for him though? He got 45 coupons?

BALDWIN: Whatever. Not my place to say.

HOSTIN: The bottom line is, a coupon is a contract and an offer, believe it or not. We use coupons all the time. We've got Groupon, we've got all these companies now. So I will say that he filed his case in federal court. He has filed a class action case so all the coupon holders can group together and perhaps be victorious.

It's not an easy case for southwest. Bottom line is, as I said, since a coupon is a contract and an offer, you're really supposed to keep your end of the bargain up. The only thing is that Southwest about a year ago, Brooke, said listen. We're going to start yanking these coupons so everybody needs to use them. So perhaps people will say the contract has changed because Southwest did give everyone a year to use them. But I don't think this case will go away based on the law. So I would see a settlement. Maybe he will get his 45 drinks.

BALDWIN: His 45 airplane bottles?

HOSTIN: He could. He may get his 45 coupons. This is a case I think this will settle though.

BALDWIN: OK, Sunny Hostin, thank you.

It has been two months to the day here since the Occupy movement began. And as the protest across the country really erupted, groups are right now filling the subways in New York. We're going to find out how police are preparing for this, dealing with this at this hour.

But first, what do golf balls and lobster have in common? You're going to want to see this. Take a look.

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BALDWIN: Maine is home to some of the world's best lobster fishing, bringing in millions of dollars each and every year. But what's left behind is a lot of waste. So researches at the University of Maine have come up with a way to put it to use, and it sounds like a hit. You can't hear the difference, but this ball is made of recycled lobster shells, and it is 100 percent biodegradable.

DAVID NEIVANDT, UNIVERSITY OF MAINE: What we did was take concept and reduced to it practice, make a product out of it, had it look like a golf ball, had it perform like a real golf ball.

BALDWIN: The ball break down in the ocean in about two weeks' time and could be used for driving ranges on cruise ships. And the lobster fishing industry could really feel the upswing.

NEIVANDT: We're taking something that use to go to the landfall and now it has value.

BALDWIN: The balls are currently being handmade in the lab, but the University of Maine is working on plans to get them into mass production and into the water soon.

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BALDWIN: We are watching Occupy Wall Street day of action protests across the country. The Occupy movement two months old today. And scores of protesters have been arrested across the country. Here's some specifics. Two dozen were busted in Los Angeles after they set up this impromptu tent camp in the heart of the financial district in L.A. and they didn't want to leave, refused to leave.

Also the latest numbers we have out of New York, 175 of these demonstrators have been arrested in Manhattan. At least seven police officers have been injured as well. And this as it has been dubbed, "day of action," is far from over.

Gil Alba, former New York police detective, founder of Alba investigations. Gil, as a former police officer, is this the kind of day you just, you pray you never have to really deal with. It's difficult all the way around? This movement is across the city.

GIL ALBA: Yes. But being with the New York City Police Department, that's what do you most of the time. So it is not you are in for the officers to be there. That's part of their training. They know what to do. The intelligence about where they're going, where they'll split up. They kind of know all that stuff.

So they're really ahead of time, this has been planning, so all the officers know what they're doing. A lot of them are off duty. They took the day of and have to be there. And that's why a lot of police officers are there. So it's not leak the city is not covered. It is a lot of these officers are either detectives or that. But it is not unusual, not in New York City.

We're looking here at some video, some of these people heading down into the subway systems. We heard one of the demonstrators saying they will hop into 15 different stations. Hop on the subway to get to the square. How do you ensure the safety of the subway system and really minimize the inconvenience for people who want to get in and out of the city?

GIL ALBA, FORMER NYPD DETECTIVE: They do that. That's why you cannot break the law. You cannot stop the transit system. You can't go into Wall Street and stop them there. That's breaking the law.

So the police officers are already used to that. They have the system in place where they'll arrest people. And what happens here is most of the people try to be, are not, they don't want to cause any problems. They're trying to be peaceful. But there are always the instigators, the people not involved. There are people that look at the police as they're encountering the police, and they're the ones after the police because the police are the bad guys. So that's where these little confrontations all over occur.

But one you get them under control, you're fine. This particular group is splintering off all over the someplace in three or four different locations from the Brooklyn Bridge to Foley Square. Do the police know where they're going? Yes. They have the streets block off and everything else. So the NYPD can take good care of themselves doing something leak this.

BALDWIN: For the most part, this movement says we're passionate about this message, really multiple messages. We're peaceful. But as you mentioned, there are some fractions of the group who have been violent. There have been arrests as a result. They have been breaking the law. You see them on TV.

I want to show a piece of video. We got this from one of our iReporters. And in it you see police grabbing this woman by her hair. And there she is on the ground with a backpack, dragging her. I don't know if she provoked -- how she might have provoked one of these officers, even if she did at all. As you look at this, what do you see?

ALBA: All I have to do is look at her, look at her actions. So I know that this did not just happen in one second. And I'm not even sure she is part of the demonstrators. You know, I don't know where she would go after this, but I can tell by her movements that's she doesn't want, she is giving them a hard time on purpose.

And if I was there, I would be doing the same thing. And really, I'm a peaceful guy. I wouldn't want to hurt anybody there. But why are you going to grab you have to be careful. They could have a knife on them. They could stick you with something in the arm. So you've got to be really careful how you approach these people.

BALDWIN: I know there are reports of four different police officers earlier today had some kind of unknown liquid thrown on them. They went to the hospital, seven officers in total injured, 175 protesters arrested. Gil Alba, thank you so much. Obviously we're going to stay on that story out of New York and L.A. and across the country.

By the way, don't go anywhere. Wolf Blitzer here in Atlanta, he's going to join me in the studio in a moment. We have something special for Wolf Blitzer. We're going to talk about the big awards show he's going to be a part of again tonight. We've been talking so much about the Dougie over the past 365 days.

WOLF BLITZER, CNN HOST, "THE SITUATION ROOM": You going to teach me how to Dougie? Teach me, teach me how to Dougie.

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BALDWIN: Wolf, just bring him in. Tonight, we're in Atlanta. And I'm so excited I get to go with you, by the way.

BLITZER: We're going to the Soul Train Awards at the Fox Theater tonight. Suzanne Malveaux is going, Fredricka Whitfield, Brooke Baldwin, and me. How cool is that?

BALDWIN: It's pretty awesome.

BLITZER: We're going to go right after "THE SITUATION ROOM." We're going to go through the red carpet. The photographers -- now, after the show, you're going back home and the beautification. You've got something special that you're going to wear tonight?

BALDWIN: Hasn't the beautification already started?

BLITZER: The beautification is good, but this is big time tonight. This is very big.

BALDWIN: OK, I will step it up for you, Blitzer. In terms of the thing tonight, Gladys Knight.

BLITZER: And the Pips. We love the Pips and Gladys Knight. We love all of them.

BALDWIN: And what you didn't hear during the commercial, you didn't hear Wolf Blitzer saying I was one of the Pips. Here you are.

BLITZER: It's amazing what Photoshop can do for you guys.

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BALDWIN: CNN graphics, we've been having a little fun with him over the course of the last two days.

BLITZER: You're too young to remember Gladys Knight and the Pips.

BALDWIN: I was listening to her this morning on my iPod walking my dog.

BLITZER: Historically you should remember Gladys Knight and the Pips, is that what you're saying? You've read about it in your history books.

BALDWIN: I grew up listening to a lot of Motown. Thank you very much.

BALDWIN: It will be fun today.

BLITZER: So, that show coming up next, we should talk about that, that show you do?

BLITZER: My show. Michele Bachmann is going to be in "THE SITUATION ROOM" live. That's coming up. We've got a lot -- and Occupy Wall Street, we don't know what's going to happen over the next two hours, so we're watching that. We've got Mary Snow on the scene. We've got a lot of reporters watching literally every step of the way.

BALDWIN: Do we have some Wolf Blitzer dancing at the show?

BLITZER: No. Tonight on the soul train awards?

BALDWIN: I don't buy it. This is your big pitch for "Dancing with the Stars."

BLITZER: Brooke Baldwin on "Dancing with the Stars," that would be lovely.

BALDWIN: That's a scary thought. All right, Blitzer, good to see you. Later, we've got a date.

Coming up, a man who lived the life many of us only dreamt about, hanging out with some of the world's biggest rock stars, taking pictures. We will meet him, next.

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BALDWIN: Ken Regan has spent more than 40 years photographing some of the world's most famous musicians, sports stars, politicians. In fact, viola, this is his book. It's called "All Access." This is his new book of vintage, behind the scenes photographs of some of the biggest rock stars in the world. You have the Beatles, Rolling Stones, Bob Dylan, many others. And he's giving his first ever TV interview with us here at CNN. He talked about his experiences and the stories behind some of these iconic images. Here he is. He talks about being specifically with the Rolling Stones.

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KEN REGAN, PHOTOGRAPHER: So in 1975, they called me and I signed on. They were rehearsing out an Andy Warhol's house in Montauk. So I went out there for a couple of weeks. Spent a lot of time. I was doing work for them. Photographing a cover story on Mick and the band for "People" magazine and I was outside on the beach with Mick for a while doing some photographs.

And I came in the house and I smell -- it was about 4:00 in the afternoon. I smelled somebody cooking bacon and eggs. So I wander into the kitchen, and here it is something you could have never imagined seeing, because number one, it was 4:00 in the afternoon. Keith never got up until 6:00 p.m. at least. And here he is with no shirt on, making bacon and eggs. I said, Keith, what are you doing? He said, I don't know. I got up. The cook's gone, so I decided to make some bacon and eggs.

It was a few years later and the band asked me to do a session with them over the course of two days. We did individual portraits with everybody, group shots, two shots, three shots, everything. And at the end of the day, I said, hey, guys, what would you think of me photographing you guys in my bathroom? It was kind of a cool bathroom. They all looked at me and said, sure, why not?

So we lit it first. We went into the bathroom. I had Keith sitting on the toilet. I had Charlie in the shower. I asked Charlie if I could give him an umbrella and turn on the water. He said, don't push your luck. Then Bill was sitting on the sink. Mick was sitting kind of on the hamper. And we probably shot for five or ten minutes.

Now, I had forgotten about this, photograph, and when we started researching for the book, two or three years ago, Tom Gestino (ph), who runs my office, came across this photograph. He said, oh, my god, Ken, this was taken in the bathroom. I said, yes. He said OK.

I go out of town for a couple of weeks on a story. I come back and there's a 16 by 20 of this picture hanging until bathroom. And everybody who goes in that bathroom says, oh, my god, I'm in the same bathroom as the rolling stones were in.

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BALDWIN: The Rolling Stones. Hey, by the way, we're also going to share a little bit more of that interview with you tomorrow as he photographed Dylan, Bob Dylan. And you can see a little bit more this Saturday with my colleague, Don Lemon.

But for now, I'm Brooke Baldwin here at CNN. I'm going to turn things over to my colleague sitting just over my shoulder, Wolf Blitzer. "THE SITUATION ROOM" starts right now.