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Syracuse Child Molestation Accusations; What's Next for Occupy Movement; Explaining the Super Committee; Global Soap Project Saves Lives

Aired November 18, 2011 - 11:00   ET

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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Wolf's angels at one point.

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FREDRICKA WHITFIELD, CNN ANCHOR: Right. I called them -- you know, and he said, no, Wolfpack.

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WHITFIELD: OK. We're the Wolfpack. But it was incredible.

MALVEAUX: It's going to be a lot of fun to watch actually. I think it's on Sunday. But it's --

WHITFIELD: That's right.

MALVEAUX: The Soul Train Awards and --

WHITFIELD: Right. It'll air Sunday on the 27th, the day after or the Sunday after Thanksgiving. So everyone will get a chance to see Wolf.

MALVEAUX: And there's a little special treat.

WHITFIELD: A nice little surprise. Right.

MALVEAUX: It's not a dance necessarily this year. But something just as good.

WHITFIELD: Right. He showed us his moves last year doing the dougie. And he was with dougie again on stage this year. But you're going to have to watch to find out. Nice surprise.

MALVEAUX: It's much more.

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WHITFIELD: Yes, it is.

MALVEAUX: All right. Thank you, Fred.

WHITFIELD: All right. Take care.

MALVEAUX: Live from Studio 7, I'm Suzanne Malveaux. Want to get you up to speed for this Friday, November 18th.

It was a Hollywood mystery that captured the attention of the world. Well, now after 30 years, startling new allegations in the death of actress Natalie Wood. The star of "West Side Story" and "Miracle on 34th Street" drowned in 1981 while boating off the California coast with her husband, Robert Wagner, and actor Christopher Walken.

Well, her death was initially ruled an accident. But investigators are now reopening the case. Next hour we're going to talk to a man who was right there the night she died. And he says that Wagner is responsible for her death.

And after two months of standing their ground and show of strength by the "Occupy" movement, last night in New York, the question today what is next for the protesters? Police arrested more than 200 people across the city yesterday as demonstrators, they made their presence known on Wall Street as well as Zuccotti Park. Huge crowd then marched across the Brooklyn Bridge.

Wanting to check out as well the message that protesters beamed on the side, that's the nearby Verizon building. More rallies as well took place across the country. Dozens arrested in similar marches from Boston to Los Angeles.

Another college rocked by allegations of child molestation. Syracuse University has placed Associate Men's Basketball coach Bernie Fine on administrative leave. The move comes after an ESPN report that two former ball boys accused Fine of inappropriate contact.

Syracuse says it investigated when an allegation was made back in 2005. And in a statement, the school said the investigation included interviews with people, the accuser said would support his claims. But the university, quotes, "all of those identified denied any knowledge of wrongful conduct by the associate coach."

The associate coach also vehemently denied the allegations. We're going to have more on that story straight up ahead.

Even more men are stepping forward claiming that Jerry Sandusky molested them. The former Penn State assistant coach is already charged with sexually abusing eight boys. Now the attorney for the latest alleged victim says that Sandusky's denials prompted these men to step up and come forward.

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JEFF ANDERSON, ATTORNEY FOR ALLEGED VICTIM: As soon as Sandusky gave the interview in which he denied the sexual abuse, the numbers of contacts that have been made with us in our office have really ratcheted up dramatically.

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MALVEAUX: The attorney says the claims are legitimate, but police have not yet verified them. Well, angry protesters, they're back on the streets in Cairo, Egypt. Tens of thousands we're talking about of people turning out in Tahrir Square to protest a plan that would shield the Egyptian military from public oversight. The plan is part of the country's proposed new constitution. The protesters, they are also pushing for presidential elections to be held no later than April of next year.

Federal officials are investigating whether a cyber attack caused a water pump to fail in Springfield, Illinois. That happened last week. Now, there's a cyber security expert who's seen the report. And he says that water district workers noted -- glitches, rather, in the pump p system about two months ago.

That computer repair company determined that the computer was hacked. The expert says other facilities -- utilities should be aware and take precautions.

After months of rumors, it is official. Actress Demi Moore says she's divorcing her husband, Ashton Kutcher. They have been married for six years now. Kutcher stars in the sitcom "Two and a Half Men." He said this to say in a tweet, he says, "Marriage is one of the most difficult things in the world and unfortunately sometimes they fail."

Got more on our big story here. The new investigation into child molestation allegations against Syracuse University's Associate Men's Basketball coach. Now the school says it investigated the accusations against Coach Bernie Fine when they first surfaced back in 2005. The university says it found no evidence to corroborate these claims.

Alina Cho, she's joining us from New York with some of the details.

So Alina, give us a sense of how this unfolded, how this came about, where it stands now.

ALINA CHO, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes, and the reason why it's coming out, Suzanne, I should mention, is because there is now a second alleged victim who has come forward. You mentioned this all started back in 2005.

Here is what happened. Syracuse University's Associate Men's Basketball coach, Bernie Fine, has now been placed on administrative leave and police in that city of Syracuse say they've now reopened an investigation into disturbing allegations of sexual abuse.

Now Fine allegedly molested two former ball boys. You see him there. Bobby Davis, the alleged victim number one. Now 39 years old. Davis told ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that the abuse started back in the 1980s.

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BOBBY DAVIS, ALLEGED SEXUAL ABUSE VICTIM: Probably when I was -- you know, sixth grade, 11, 10 years old. And he started trying to touch me and things like that. You know, honestly, I don't even remember if I thought that was what was supposed to happen, you know. I know I cringed up and didn't want it to happen and I was very -- you know it was like what's going on? It was just -- I just remember being disgusted in a sense, you know. That's when everything, you know, when he started trying to touch me, my private.

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CHO: Davis says the abuse took place at Fine's home, at Syracuse basketball facilities, even road trips, including the 1987 Final Four. Now part of the reason why this is coming out now is because there is now that second alleged victim. It's Davis' older stepbrother, his name is Mike Lang. He's 45 years old.

Lang was also a ball boy at Syracuse. And he told ESPN's "Outside the Lines" that Fine touched him inappropriately back when he was in the fifth or sixth grade.

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MIKE LANG, ALLEGED SEXUAL ABUSE VICTIM: When he first did it, he would move away and you wouldn't say anything because -- you know, you didn't feel like you were capable of saying anything. You know? He's a god to you. You know? He can do whatever he wants. But that wasn't me. I didn't feel right about it. And I told him that, Bernie, please don't do that to me. And then, you know, he'd do it again and again.

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CHO: Meanwhile the first alleged victim, Bobby Davis, says he first alerted Syracuse University officials about six years ago. We had said 2005. The university said it immediately launched its own nearly four-month investigation. Interviewed several people and that everyone else involved, including the assistant coach, Bernie Fine, denied the allegations.

And that Syracuse police ultimately decided not to pursue the case because the statute of limitations had expired.

Now in a statement released last night, Syracuse University said, quote, "In light of the new allegations in the Syracuse City police investigation, this evening Chancellor Cantore asked director of athletics Dr. Daryl Gross to place associate head coach Bernie Fine on administrative leave," and late last night, Syracuse's head basketball coach Jim Boeheim also released a statement saying in part, quote, "Bernie has my full support."

Now, Suzanne, Fine is an institution really in Syracuse. He's been part of the basketball program there for 35 years. It's the longest streak for an assistant coach in division men's basketball. Also he's 65 years old and just last month he was inducted into the greater Syracuse Sports Hall of Fame -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: All right. Thank you, Alina.

Here's a rundown of some of the stories that we are covering. First, they marched and were arrested for their cause. But what's "Occupy Wall Street going to do now?

And we compare the fight between Democrats, Republicans to cut the deficit to relatives fighting over Thanksgiving dinner.

Then, most of us pay for our flights long before we fly. These passengers actually forced to pay mid-flight.

Also, an over the top ad campaign to stop parents from bringing their babies to bed with them.

And later, she was one of Hollywood's most glamorous stars until she died in a boating accident. Well now police are reopening the investigation into Natalie Wood's death 30 years later.

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MALVEAUX: Pulling themselves back together today after a night of "Occupy" protests. In New York alone, 245 people were arrested after a stare-down between protesters and police. Now dozens more were arrested from Los Angeles to Miami. The majority of the demonstrations were peaceful. There were certainly some tense moments and some violence.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: What do you think you've accomplished so far?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I think we're drawing attention, we're validating this movement. It's a long time coming. People want fairness and justice. We want a new social contract for healthcare, for education.

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UNIDENTIFIED REPORTER: Were you expecting to get pushed off the sidewalk?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No. This is a public sidewalk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We were standing on the sidewalk in a -- they were standing on the sidewalk and they pushed and shoved me. And I don't even know how my glasses got broke. My glasses got broke, I got hit in the stomach with a baton for standing on the sidewalk.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: We like to see them (INAUDIBLE) , we like to see him do what the millionaires did the other day when they marched on Washington.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: The message we're trying to send to New York is we love you and we're with you and we know this is not a movement about urban camping and occupy still thrives.

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MALVEAUX: So after two month, what is next for the protesters? Our own Amber Lyon at Zuccotti Park, that's home base for the movement.

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AMBER LYON, CNN CORRESPONDENT: We're out here in Zuccotti Park and this man is being told by New York police officers that he needs to remove his cart, also his sleeping bag that he brought into Zuccotti Park.

We are seeing a heavily barricaded park this morning after yesterday protesters came through here and knocked down some of these barricades. They see these as a symbol that they're not allowed to bring tents and tarps and belonging as that gentleman brought in the park after they were evicted early Tuesday.

We're also seeing zip ties placed out here to keep protesters from knocking down these barricades and kind of tie them together in a line so that they're not able to do so.

We have about a couple of dozen diehard protestors, they have been camped out here all night despite the fact that it's about 38 degrees, it's very cold, and they're not allowed to bring blankets into Zuccotti. So some of them have used foil coverings, also they've been passing out hand warmers, pizza, coffee. Just to keep these guys warm.

Other protesters spent the night and are spending the nights in churches and local homeless shelters. And as of today, the protests continue in Zuccotti. There are no planned marches, although we've talked to some who say they are planning some smaller impromptu marches. But nothing like the thousands of people we saw hitting the streets yesterday.

And these guys say that if this protest, this movement is going to continue here from Zuccotti, as long as it takes because they feel like right now there is a big inequality as far as wealth goes across the U.S.

Amber Lyon reporting from New York, CNN.

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MALVEAUX: Some "Occupy Wall Street" protesters are on the way back -- on the way from New York, rather, to Capitol Hill. The Super Committee that is trying to cut the deficit is facing a deadline. It's just five days away. They've got to come up with a plan here.

And the "Occupy" protesters. they want to make sure that the Bush era tax cuts are not extended as part of the deal.

Our own Felicia Taylor, she's with us from the New York Stock Exchange.

So, I love this analogy that you have going on here. Like the Super Committee, you know, is kind of like a congressional food fight, yes? FELICIA TAYLOR, CNN BUSINESS CORRESPONDENT: Well, kind of. I mean, our idea was to sort of how to explain what is facing the Super Committee, you know, as all of Americans are gathering together for the Thanksgiving feast next week.

The deadline is November 23rd. That's the day before Thanksgiving. And you can kind of think of the Super Committee, the 12 members, as a political family that is literally, it's sitting around a table on congressional hill -- at the Congress and talk about what the issues are.

I mean, Amber was talking about, you know, the wealth inequality in the United States but we've also got some leadership imbalances. And that's part of the frustration for "Occupy Wall Street." Take a listen.

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TAYLOR (on camera): To represent the actual budget we have a traditional Thanksgiving turkey.

The task is to slice $1.2 trillion from the federal budget over the next 10 years. Now that's a lot of meat and probably some fat. And that's why the Super Committee members are having a hard time coming up with the right solution.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: The Super Committee is a political theater.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: There you go.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It's easier for 12 people to negotiate than 400-something congressmen and 100 senators.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And it's six very different people on each side. They all represent a different part of the country. They all represent a different point of view.

TAYLOR: Some Democrats, not all, want to do away with trillions of dollars in the deficit. Combining spending cuts with tax increases and an end to some of the tax breaks for the wealthiest. Sort of taking away their gravy.

(Voice-over): Most Republicans are against tax increases. But they do want to take the stuffing out of dozens of federal programs.

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TAYLOR: So those are a few of the issues that are literally on the table and the Republicans and Democrats, six on either side, are going to be working through the weekend. But there's a lot for them to get through and unfortunately some of the market investors are seriously concerned that they're not going to be able to meet the task at hand and not meet that deadline. And so then what happens is those automatic cuts will go into place and nobody wants to see that because there's far too much that can be taken out from both side.

MALVEAUX: That's a -- such a creative way of showing that actually. I like that. Tell us how the market are looking today.

TAYLOR: It's very quiet here honestly. We've been sort of going back and forth, frankly. Up right now but very little, I mean a half a percent on the Dow and up a third of one percent on the S&P. There's no real direction for the marketplace because we got to economic fundamentals. There's a lot of concerns about what's going on in Europe. There's no clear path about whether or not the Italian and Spanish bond yields are going to stay at the high levels that they've been.

And whether or not the new leaders that we've got in Greece and Italy are going to be steering things forward satisfactorily. So there's a lot of unanswered questions and again that budget deal is still unanswered, too. So people just don't want to take anything off the table right now. So they're holding their positions as they go into the weekend -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: OK. Yes. Five days left.

Felicia, I want you to check out this story. This is kind of unusual here. You've got airline passengers that this flight here, passengers on two chartered jets from India to Britain actually were hit up $200 apiece to continue their trip. So one of the Comtel Air flights is on a layover to Vienna, right, when passengers have to get off the plane, pull cash from teller machines and there are various accounts as what the money was actually used for, if it was the fuel or the fees, whatever, but Comtel Air and the company that own these planes, well, they're blaming each other for all this because the airline now is under investigation.

But literally, you know, I mean, we've paid for peanuts and stuff like that. But come on, I mean that looked pretty serious.

TAYLOR: That's absurd. I mean that's absurd. I mean what if you didn't -- what if you didn't pay the money? Were you going to be stuck in Vienna?

MALVEAUX: Yes. Yes.

TAYLOR: I mean what happens then?

MALVEAUX: You get off and --

TAYLOR: I mean suddenly you take off and you're not --

(LAUGHTER)

MALVEAUX: But I just hope they have money for fuel.

TAYLOR: That's crazy.

MALVEAUX: I really do. That's pretty scary. We'll see --

TAYLOR: It's frightening.

MALVEAUX: Are you traveling this Thanksgiving? TAYLOR: I am.

(LAUGHTER)

MALVEAUX: Hopefully you're not flying.

TAYLOR: I'm praying that they have fuel.

MALVEAUX: All right. Thanks. Have a good weekend.

One thing you never have to pay for when you go to a hotel is the soap. In fact, you get a new one every morning. Kind of makes you feel all guilty. Well, one of CNN's Top 10 Heroes decided that he was going to do something amazing with all of that waste.

We're going to meet him up next.

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MALVEAUX: So how many times you go to a hotel, you get a bar of soap every morning and you don't think much of it? Right? Well, one man thought it was a huge waste and he started the Global Soap Project. He collects partial used hotel soap, reprocesses it, and then sends it to poor countries where children get sick because they don't have access to soap.

Well, he's a CNN "Top Ten Hero." Derreck Kayongo joins us now.

Derreck, thank you so much.

DERRICK KAYONGO, CNN TOP TEN HERO: Thank you so much.

MALVEAUX: It's such a great idea. I mean every single time, you know, more and more soap, a tremendous waste. How did you come up with the idea?

KAYONGO: In a sense, kind of a rough place. I'm a former refugee from Uganda to Kenya. And unfortunately leaving Uganda to go to Kenya, become a refugee, is when I first saw this incredible need for hygiene. And soap is one of the first lines of defense against disease. So I figured, this is the best way to actually do this is to find soap for people.

Then I came to the U.S. and checked into a hotel, and so then they had three bars of soap in there. Hand washing soap, facial soap, body soap. And I wondered why Americans need soap for every part of their bodies.

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KAYONGO: And here we are. I decided that, as I left the hotel, the -- I asked what do you do with the partially used bar? And they said we throw those away. And I said, oh, my goodness, we got to do something about this. And that's how the idea began.

MALVEAUX: And how do you actually do that? How do you reprocess partially used soap so that it's good for other people to use.

KAYONGO: Well, you start by getting the hotels to buy into it. And they give it to you and we use literally potato peelers to peel off the first layer of the soap and then we get to the inside part which we then break down into small particles that they call spiders. And then we put them back into the machine and heat them up to about 150 degrees.

And out comes a fresh new bar of soap which we then take out of the batch and take a bar and ship it to a lab in Connecticut where we test for pathogens to make sure we didn't --

MALVEAUX: Sure.

KAYONGO: -- make any mistakes or anything like that. And then we are able to send it out. So it's a very simple process. And they have a little trick in there as well.

MALVEAUX: What's that little trick?

KAYONGO: I can't tell you.

MALVEAUX: You don't want to say?

KAYONGO: Industrial secret.

MALVEAUX: OK.

(LAUGHTER)

MALVEAUX: Secret ingredient.

KAYONGO: Yes.

MALVEAUX: And where do these -- where do the bars of soap go to? I mean how do you decide who needs this most?

KAYONGO: Well, it starts with the poor of the poorest. And I know there's a lot of poor people around the world. But these are people who live on a dollar or less a day. They're refugees. For example there's a huge problem in the Horn of Africa where people are moving from place to place, they need hygiene. And so they don't work now. They don't have money. So they're the ones that we give soap to.

And we partner with NGOs, a nonprofit organization that actually work with them like the Americas out in Connecticut or MedShare which is based here in Atlanta. So that's how we work to actually get the soap to the poor.

MALVEAUX: And I don't think people even realized that kids die because they don't -- they are not able to wash their hands. They're not able to be that level of hygiene that's really necessary to be healthy.

KAYONGO: Yes. You know, the Center for Disease Control here has recently talked about the issue of hand washing, even in the U.S. You know we lose two million kids every year to lower respiratory diseases like diarrhea. And the Center for Disease Control and in fact the UNICEF say that the biggest way to stop that from happening is by getting them a bar of soap.

You could actually stop diseases from infecting these kids by 40 percent if you put a bar of soap in their hands. That is very critical. Mothers, mothers need soap. This is what we're trying to do.

MALVEAUX: Derreck, you've done great work already. We wish you the very best.

KAYONGO: Suzanne, thank you so much.

MALVEAUX: And you are truly a hero.

KAYONGO: Cheers.

MALVEAUX: Thank you.

Go to CNNheroes.com now online or your mobile device to vote for the CNN Hero who inspires you the most. All 10 are going to be honored live at "CNN Heroes, An All-Star Tribute" hosted by our own Anderson Cooper. That's on Sunday, December 11th.

And over-the-top ad campaign to stop parents from bringing their babies to bed with them. So what do pediatricians say? We're going to ask one straight up ahead.

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MALVEAUX: Here's a rundown some of the stories we are working on next.

The boy known as victim one in the Penn State sex scandal went to a high school where Jerry Sandusky was a volunteer coach. Going to take to you the school in search of answers.

And a new ad raises questions about the safety of our babies who sleep with their parents. Is it a good idea?

In our next hour, investigators reopen the Natalie Wood drowning case. Was it an accident or murder? We're going to hear from the captain of the boat Wood was on on the night she died.

I want to go beyond the headlines now. Dig deeper into the Penn State molestation case. The boy known in the grand jury report as victim number one went to authorities during his freshman year of high school. Jerry Sandusky was a volunteer coach at Central Mountain High.

Well, CNN's Susan Candiotti went looking for the answers there.

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SUSAN CANDIOTTI, CNN NATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: I'm Susan Candiotti from CNN.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Yes, may I help you?

CANDIOTTI: Yes, you may. Thank you very much. I'm here today because you were singled out for praise, actually, by the -- I don't need to tell you, by the Pennsylvania attorney general and as well as by the grand jury for the school's quick action in responding to allegations of abuse.

We'd very much like to talk to you about that, but also to the principal, of course, also talk about some other questions that I'm not sure whether you're aware of that have come to light. Thank you. This is from your lawyer? Is that Mr. Turchetta right there?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, ma'am. It is not.

CANDIOTTI: Is that the principal?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, it is not. And at this time we gave the statement, and we would like to ask you to please leave at this time.

CANDIOTTI: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We're just about to dismiss school.

CANDIOTTI: All right.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And we don't want you in amongst the students.

CANDIOTTI: Can I leave my card for the principal because I --

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: OK.

CANDIOTTI: Sure. Thank you. May I ask who you -- I got it. Obviously you work at the reception desk. Assistant principal?

(CROSSTALK)

CANDIOTTI: May I just ask who you are?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I'm the guidance counselor.

CANDIOTTI: Guidance counselor, thank you. Can you speak with us also?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No, I don't think so.

CANDIOTTI: Yes. Do you know, the mom had also said that the -- that she was told at first you might want to think twice about doing this because Jerry Sandusky has a big heart.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: We would ask that you refer to the statement and on the advice of our attorney. We're showing that with you. CANDIOTTI: OK.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: And then we ask that you leave at this time again. Our students are just about to be dismissed.

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MALVEAUX: Next hour, I'm going to be talking with Deborah Donovan Rice from Stop It Now. The organization is working to get laws on the books to require people to report the sexual abuse of children to police.

Well, his image based on his size, but Fat Joe not so big anymore. The rapper explains why he slimmed down in today's "Human Factor" report.

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MALVEAUX: Checking some other stories we're covering across the country.

Two police officers in Albuquerque, New Mexico, have been fired, could face criminal charges after the release of this video. You see the officers appear to be celebrating after one of them kicked a suspect in the head more than a dozen times. The suspect is accused of stealing a car.

In Florida, a school bus driver gets a one-day suspension for texting while driving. Yes. It happened two months ago. But, before then, parents had complained about the driver for other reasons. Well, the school decided to put a surveillance camera on that bus.

And, in Massachusetts, ugly scene at a high school soccer game. Just watch this, players, fans, parents all getting involved in a huge fight. Police, they were called in to break up the brawl. The game was called off.

There is an invitation-only funeral for rapper Heavy D in New York at this hour. The singer lovingly known as the Overweight Lover in the house collapsed, died at his Beverly Hills home last week. Now, the coroner has not announced the cause of death. Mary J. Blige, P. Diddy are among those who are attending today's service.

Obesity a serious health problem, rapper Fat Joe, he's slimming down, determined to lose some weight after obesity led to the deaths of half a dozen friends.

Our Dr. Sanjay Gupta has today's "Human Factor" story.

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JOSEPH "FAT JOE" CARTAGENA, RAPPER: You know, I was talking to my trainer yesterday and I realized that he said, so, when was the last time you were slim? And I swear to God, I think when I was a month or two months old, that that was it. I was Fat Joe ever since. DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Fat Joe, Joey Crack, Joseph Antonio Cartagena, the larger-than-life rapper grew up in public housing and was taught from an early age that food equals love.

So when Joe hit the big time, he felt he deserved all the good food his lavish lifestyle could afford.

CARTAGENA: I'm rich now. I could go to Mr. Chow's and eat me all the lobster and steak I want.

GUPTA: Then in 2000, Joe's friend and fellow rap star Big Pond suffered a fatal heart attack.

CARTAGENA: I think I weighed about 450, 460 at my heaviest and, you know, I always took pride in being fat. That's why my name was Fat Joe. I always represented the big people, but I realized at a certain point all my big people were dying.

GUPTA: Last year alone six of Joe's friends died of heart attacks. Most were younger than him but just about the same size.

CARTAGENA: I couldn't see a clearer picture of me being -- what is the difference between me and him and me being in a casket and my daughter running around a funeral home and she doesn't have a dad no more.

GUPTA: So Joe is eating healthier food in smaller portions more frequently throughout the day even when he's on the road. He's lost 100 pounds and counting.

CARTAGENA: This is breaking news, Sanjay. This is like my best, best, best friends on earth don't even know this. I was diabetic for 16 years since I was 14 and being that I lost weight, no more diabetes.

GUPTA: When he's not working nowadays, chances are you'll find Fat Joe at the gym. But even though he's dropped the pounds, Fat Joe says he has no intention of dropping the name.

Dr. Sanjay Gupta, CNN, reporting.

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MALVEAUX: You don't want to miss "SANJAY GUPTA M.D." this Saturday, Sunday 7:30 a.m. Eastern. He's going to have a close look at health care reform and the smartest decisions you can make during open enrollment season.

Well, it's an in-your-face ad campaign trying to stop parents from sleeping in their beds with their babies. We are going to talk to the experts about whether co-sleeping is as dangerous as this ad claims.

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) MALVEAUX: City of Milwaukee has come up with a controversial ad campaign to stop parents from bringing their babies to bed. Now, experts call it co-sleeping or the family bed. Some say it can be deadly for infants.

So, here's the ad. It shows a baby sleeping next to a large knife. The headline reads, "Your baby sleeping with you can be just as dangerous."

Milwaukee's health commissioner says 10 babies have died this year in the city because of sleeping in the family bed.

Joining me is our senior medical correspondent Elizabeth Cohen and pediatrician Dr. William Sears via Skype.

Dr. Sears, I want the start off with you first. You're the author of "The Baby Book."

Do you agree with this ad campaign? Should parents not bring their babies into their beds?

DR. WILLIAM SEARS, PEDIATRICIAN: Well, Suzanne, I strongly disagree with this very insensitive and unscientific ad.

Instead of alarming parents about sleeping with their babies, we should be instructing and educating them on how to co-sleep safely. I have been -- we have co-slept with our eight children. I have been teaching this for 40 years in pediatric practice. It's a safe and wonderful place to sleep with your baby, providing you follow certain safety precautions.

MALVEAUX: Tell us about those safety precautions, because, clearly, there's a difference of opinion here. Some believe it's a very dangerous thing to do. How do you do that safely?

SEARS: Safely, Suzanne -- first of all, for most babies and parents, the safest place to sleep is in a co-sleeper, which is a bedside bassinet that attaches safely and securely right next to your bed.

And that puts mom and baby close to one another for easy comforting and feeding. If you do bed-share, meaning sleeping in the same bed with your baby, do it only on a safe bed, a firm mattress, not a couch or wavy waterbed. Do not sleep with your baby if you're under the influence of drugs or alcohol or if you smoke.

Only mothers should sleep with baby because only moms have that awareness of baby's presence. And when babies and moms sleep close to one another, babies sleep better because they have less anxiety. Mothers sleep better because they're more aware of their baby and they have less anxiety. Babies grow better, babies cry less when they sleep close to their mom. And when babies cry less, they have less tension, less adrenaline and they sleep better.

MALVEAUX: All right. Dr. Sears, I want to bring in Elizabeth here. And Milwaukee's health commissioner has a very different view of all of this. How is it that they can be so diametrically opposed that -- whether this is a good idea or not?

ELIZABETH COHEN, CNN SENIOR MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: Milwaukee in many ways is taking their cues from the American Academy of Pediatrics. And the American Academy of Pediatrics is definitive about this: Do not sleep in the same bed as your baby.

And they look at statistics that show that about 73 babies a year die when they're sleeping in an adult bed. About a quarter of the time, it's because the parent has rolled over on to them. And the rest of the time, maybe the baby gets stuck between the mattress and the bed. As you see there, it's 515 deaths in a seven-year period.

And -- I'm sorry -- so, like a quarter of the time it's because the parents roll over and the rest of the time it's because the baby gets stuck between the mattress and the headboard or the mattress and the wall or a place like that.

MATTHEWS: It's hard to understand how you can have diametrically opposing views on this. But it seems like Dr. Sears says there are some things that you can do to make it safer for this to happen.

You spoke with the mayor of Milwaukee? He weighed in on this as well?

COHEN: He would say that there is no safe way to do it and you should just tell parents not to do it.

And in addition to this ad campaign, they're offering free cribs to people who can't afford them, because this is often an issue with low-income families. They would say there is no safe way.

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COHEN: And this gets sticky, because, as you can hear, Dr. Sears thinks that there are safe ways. The nation's leading pediatric group says, forget it, don't do it at all. As a mom, I will tell you this is a tough one.

MATTHEWS: Dr. Sears, I know you wanted to jump in here. Go ahead.

SEARS: A co-sleeper, which is a bedside bassinet, is probably the safest for most parents.

But, remember, every night, the world over, millions and millions of babies and mothers sleep close to one another and they wake up just fine.

And I have -- on our Web site, AskDrSears.com, I go through all the scientific studies that show the safest place for baby and mother to sleep are close to one another, either in a bedside bassinet attached close to the bed or at least within arm's reach of one another for easy comforting and feeding. And one of the things I tell moms, I say, when in doubt ask yourself -- get behind the eyes of your baby. If you were your baby, where would you want to sleep, alone in a dark, quiet room behind bars or close to the most important person in the whole world, mom? The choice is obvious.

MALVEAUX: All right, Dr. Sears, I know Elizabeth wants to weigh in very quickly here.

COHEN: Right. I think the American Academy of Pediatrics would say, yes, there are millions of babies that sleep just fine. That might be true. But do you really want to run the risk that you're going to be one of them where that baby ends up migrating between the mattress and the headboard and suffocates?

Just because some babies are -- or many babies are fine doing it doesn't necessarily mean that all babies are going to be fine.

MALVEAUX: All right, Elizabeth, Dr. Sears, thank you so much. I appreciate your input on this very -- it's a very sensitive subject really.

COHEN: It is.

MALVEAUX: Emergency room doctors see their fair share, right, of strange cases, but some of these, you just have to see to believe.

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MALVEAUX: All right. Anybody who has a dog, they know they go through great lengths to just fetch something like a ball or a toy.

Well, wait until you see one, Bob. There he goes, straight to the bottom of the pool. Whoa. It looks like a diving version of the doggie paddle. There he goes. There he goes.

So, Bob's owner in Bakersfield, California, says he discovered that Bob could do this so one day when they -- they didn't get up to fetch the ball for him. So Bob, there he goes, took matters in his own hands, paddled to the bottom, then back up. This is all the rage on YouTube.

Oh, there he goes. I like Bob.

Lightbulbs to Barbie Dolls, right? You won't believe some of the odd stuff that people manage to get stuck inside of them.

Jeanne Moos shows us a new book that has X-rays to prove it.

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JEANNE MOOS, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Need we say that this goes here and not in here? And electrical cord X-rayed in somebody's gut? And there are a hundred of these. What was the gun doing up there?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: With the tuna can lid --

MOOS: The tweezers, what could they have been trying to pluck? The X-rays are all in a new book called "Stuck Up -- 100 Objects Inserted and Ingested in Places They Shouldn't Be." It's co-authored by this emergency room physician and two other doctors. We doubt the patient's going to be able to pass the salt or the pepper mill or the egg beater or the chopsticks.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Most commonly, we do see long, slender objects, because that is the most form fitting.

MOOS: We're not going to dwell on how these everyday objects ended up where the sun don't shine. Most of the time it was got an accident, though often that's what people claimed.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: "I accidentally fell on an object." That's probably the most common accidental story you'll hear. MOOS: And who hasn't sat on their glasses really, really hard while nude? The doctors say the X-rays are real, though outlines of some objects are graphically enhanced so the reader can easily see them, everything from a computer mouse to a cassette tape.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: That was definitely an older X-ray.

MOOS: A more recent X-ray displays an iPod Nano, we can only imagine its play list.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: So how did that gun get stuck in the middle?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Certain people love their guns.

MOOS: The good news --

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It was not loaded.

MOOS: Though maybe the patient was.

And you thought a light bulb went off in your head. How about this light bulb in someone's gut? And this string of Christmas lights. The series "Scrubs" did a whole episode on the subject.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Either there's a light bulb up his butt or his colon has a great idea.

MOOS: Scrubs accurately described how to remove a light bulb.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: All we need to do is thread an angioplasty balloon past the bulb, inflate it and then pull it.

MOOS: One of the oddest items, where that tuna lid rolled up like a cigar ended up.

But the doctor's favorite found objects is are action figure. Poor Buzz Lightyear from "Toy Story." UNIDENTIFIED MALE: To infinity and beyond.

MOOS: He said "beyond," not "behind."

And this is Barbie, but it isn't her dream house she's in.

Jeanne Moos, CNN.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Hey, do you have a magazine?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Not in me -- I mean, on me.

MOOS: New York.

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MALVEAUX: Well, we have seen the brash and bold Herman Cain and the wise-cracking candidate as well, but Cain, tears in his eyes now. Find out what got him all choked up in our "Political Ticker" update.

But, first, college is supposed to be the time really to hit the books, yes, most people. But what do majors devote their most time for their studies? Well, a new poll says that business majors spend the least amount of time studying, as followed in sixth place by students majoring in social sciences, in fifth, education, in fourth place, arts and humanities, coming in third, biological sciences. And the second most amount of time spent studying, physical sciences.

But who studies the most while in college? That answer in a moment.

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MALVEAUX: All right. So, before the break, we told you what college majors devote the most time to their studies. Who cracks open the books the most? Engineering majors. A study reveals that would- be engineers study the most, but they spend less time in non-school activities, like earning money and caring for family members.

The Secret Service is now protecting presidential candidate Herman Cain. Cain's campaign asked for the protection, and the Secret Service says he met the criteria. Cain is the first GOP candidate in the 2012 race to get the federal protection.

He also tops our "Political Ticker" update today.

So, Jim Acosta, from the political desk in Washington, tell us what this is about and also some of the emotions that we have seen from Herman Cain lately.

JIM ACOSTA, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Yes.

The Cain campaign requested this, and the Secret Service obliged. And this is not all that unusual. Then-Senator Obama got Secret Service protection very early back in the '08 election cycle, actually earlier than any other candidate in American political history. So it's not that unusual that Herman Cain would get this kind of protection. But it has been a tough couple of weeks for Herman Cain, Suzanne. It should not come as any surprise that the conservative businessman got a little emotional on the campaign trail this week in an interview with WMUR in New Hampshire. Cain got choked up when he was talking about the prospect of his wife holding the Bible at his inaugural address, if that happens.

Here's what he had to say.

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HERMAN CAIN (R), PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE: I almost can't say it -- holding the Bible when I'm sworn in.

QUESTION: Emotional, huh?

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ACOSTA: There you go. And then later in the day, Cain taped an interview on "The Late Show With David Letterman." He was in much better spirits, we should mention, joking around about his 999 plan. Take a listen.

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DAVID LETTERMAN, HOST, "LATE SHOW WITH DAVID LETTERMAN": I mean, I like it. It's clever, 999. It's fun.

CAIN: Right.

But -- and it works. It works.

(LAUGHTER)

LETTERMAN: And you ought to get some sort of toll-free number, Herman Cain -- you dial 999, you get a free pizza. Come on.

(LAUGHTER)

LETTERMAN: What are we talking about?

CAIN: You know what you're going to get? Instead of a free pizza, when you dial 999, you're going to be able to get a job.

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ACOSTA: There you go, Herman Cain staying on message.

And, as you know, Suzanne, having been out on the campaign trail, there are ups and downs on the campaign trail, and Herman Cain knows that that is not an exception for him.

MALVEAUX: Yes. He's experiencing a lot of that early on. We will see how that goes for him in the months ahead.

Tell us a little bit about Rick Perry. He's now criticizing President Obama for what he is calling a privileged upbringing?

ACOSTA: Well, yes.

It is interesting, Suzanne. Ever since President Obama made that comment that Republicans are really seizing on, the lazy comment, out in Hawaii, Republicans have been going after the president on that. And Rick Perry is having a field day with the comment that President Obama made at a business summit in Hawaii this week.

The president said the U.S. business community has gotten -- quote -- "lazy" in promoting American interests.

And here's a fuller context of what the president had to say.

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BARACK OBAMA, PRESIDENT OF THE UNITED STATES: We have been a little bit lazy, I think, over the last couple of decades. We have kind of taken for granted, well, people will want to come here, and we aren't out there hungry, selling America, and trying to attract new businesses into America.

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ACOSTA: Now Rick Perry is running an ad that accuses the president of calling Americans lazy.

But we should point out, Suzanne, the respected Web site FactCheck.org says Perry is taking the president's words out of context. But make no mistake, this is the last -- this is not the last that we're going to hear about that controversy, Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: All right, thank you, Jim.

ACOSTA: You bet.

MALVEAUX: Be sure to tune in to CNN Tuesday night at 8:00 Eastern. CNN's Wolf Blitzer, he is set to host the GOP candidates in Washington for a fresh new debate, one of the main topics, national security.