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Syracuse Asst. Basketball Coach Fired; Egypt holds its first elections since the Arab Spring; Robert Champion's Family Speaks Out; NASA's "Curiosity" Rover Heads to Mars; Egyptian-American Journalist Assaulted in Egypt; U.S-Pakistan Relations Take Ugly Turn; Rep. Barney Frank Retiring; Newt Gingrich Gets Important Endorsement; Did Wives Know of Sex Abuse at Penn State, Syracuse

Aired November 28, 2011 - 11:00   ET

THIS IS A RUSH TRANSCRIPT. THIS COPY MAY NOT BE IN ITS FINAL FORM AND MAY BE UPDATED.

SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Live from Studio 7, I'm Suzanne Malveaux.

I want to get you up to speed for this Monday, November 28th.

The child sex abuse investigation at Syracuse University is now getting bigger. The school fired assistant basketball coach Bernie Fine last night. A third man now says that Fine molested him when he was a boy.

Also, in a phone recording from nine years ago, aired on ESPN, Fine's wife, Laurie, says she knew, quote, "everything that went on."

We're expecting to hear from a family of a Florida A&M student who died in a suspected hazing incident. They plan to announce a lawsuit against the school.

Robert Champion was a drum major with the university's award winning marching band. At least 30 band members were suspended this semester because of possible involvement in hazing.

Big day for democracy in Egypt. Polling centers were overflowing today. The country's first election since the Arab Spring revolution. The vote comes after a bloody week of protest in the streets of Cairo.

But defying expectations of more violence, Egyptians peacefully waited in line for hours for their chance to cast a ballot. For many, it was a very emotional moment.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel good. I feel my vote will change Egypt to a better future.

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MALVEAUX: Three American students arrested in Cairo last week during the protests are finally back home in the U.S. The young men were studying in Egypt when they were accused of throwing Molotov cocktails during a rally. Well, they deny it.

Derrik Sweeney told CNN's "AMERICAN MORNING" what it was like to be held at gun point by Egyptian police.

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DERRIK SWEENEY, AMERICAN STUDENT DETAINED IN CAIRO: I honestly believe that if they chose to apprehend us because we were obviously foreigners, basically the color of our skin and our eyes. And we were the only ones that I saw in the area that appeared to be foreigners. And we were just standing on the street.

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MALVEAUX: Eight hours after a deadline to vacate Los Angeles City hall park, Occupy protesters not going anywhere. Despite hundreds of police officers in riot gear, more than a thousand protesters are defying the order to pack up and leave. So far, demonstrations there have been peaceful.

More bad blood between Pakistan and the U.S. Twenty-four Pakistani soldiers were killed this weekend in a NATO attack near the country's border with Afghanistan. Now, in an exclusive with CNN, Pakistan's prime minister is giving the U.S. this warning.

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YOUSUF RAZA GILANI, PAKISTANI PRIME MINISTER: Business as usual will not be there. Therefore, we have to have something bigger so that to satisfy my nation, the entire country.

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MALVEAUX: In eastern Ohio, the bodies of three men have been found in shallow graves. Now, police believe they were killed after answering a Craigslist ad for a job on a cattle farm. They're holding two suspects, a 16-year-old boy and a 52-year-old man. They were tipped off after a fourth victim was shot in the arm but escaped.

Prince, duke, now people are calling William a hero. The heir to the throne of England co-piloted a helicopter that plucked two ship wrecked sailors from a life raft in the Irish Sea. There are others who are still missing, however. We're going to have a live report. Those details from London.

Now, the explosive developments. At Syracuse University, a third man has now come forward, claiming that assistant basketball coach Bernie Fine molested him when he was 13 years old. Now, that prompted Syracuse to fire Fine last night. Also, Fine's wife now appears to acknowledge her husband is a pedophile. This in a 2002 phone recording aired by ESPN.

Now, here Laurie Fine talks with another accuser, Bobby Davis, who secretly taped the call.

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LAURIE FINE, BERNIE FINE'S WIFE: I know everything that went on, you know, I know everything that went on with him. Bernie has issues, maybe that he's not aware of, but he has issues. And you trusted somebody you shouldn't have trusted.

BOBBY DAVIS: Yes.

FINE: Bernie is also in denial. I think that he did the things he did, but he's somehow through his own mental telepathy has erased them out of his mind.

You know what? Go to a place where there's gay boys, find yourself a gay boy. You know, get your rocks off, have it be over with.

DAVIS: Yes, but --

FINE: You know, he needs a, that male companionship that I can't give him, nor is he interested in me, and vice versa.

Because I care about you, and I don't want to see you being treated that way --

DAVIS: Yes.

FINE: -- and, it's hard for, if it was another girl like I told you, it would be easy for me to step in because you know what you're up against, you're -- you're when it's someone, it's another guy, you can't compete with that.

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MALVEAUX: Deborah Feyerick, she's joining us from Syracuse campus in New York.

So, Deb, first of all, let's deal with this tape because it's really -- it's quite disturbing if all of this is true that she actually knew this was going on. This was something that was made nine years ago. Do we know if either the university or police knew about this tape?

DEBORAH FEYERICK, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Well, police never knew about the tape simply because it was made after the initial charges.

But we want to bring you up to date. I just got off the phone with the nephew of Laurie Fine and he tells me that she's going to issue a statement sometime today.

But she believes that this tape is doctored, that it was tampered with. That, in fact, she says apparently there were 200 minutes of tape. Bobby Davis used to call and threaten her about releasing all these minutes of tape. And, in fact, what you hear is a very small portion of that.

So, we're expected to hear from her or at least the family at some point later today.

But the timing of all of this is really, really important because the tape was made after the accuser was told that the statute of limitations had run out. It was also made at the end of what he says was a decade long of abuse by Bernie Fine.

And even though the coach's wife in that tape seems to acknowledge that she was aware that this abuse was going on -- well, in fact, the sports network and the local paper who had the copy of this tape, they sat on it. They never released it. The police were unaware that it existed. The university, when they investigated charges back in 2005, they also were unaware that it existed.

But think about how fast it all happened. Once that tape did come out, he was fired within hours, Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: And, Deb, do we know -- just to be clear here -- the wife is going to come out with a statement later today, essentially saying that she did not know that this sexual abuse was going on in their home? Is that correct?

FEYERICK: What she -- what the nephew tells us is that she will likely say that there were 200 minutes of tape, that Bobby Davis was threatening her to go public with this, and that, in fact, what is on air, the family believes, was in fact doctored, that it's an edited version. They believe that if you listen to it closely, there are -- there are pitch differences and that you can sort of hear that it may have been spliced.

You're listening to it. You can sort of make that determination. That's what the family is saying at least right now.

MALVEAUX: And, Deb, we know that the police searched the home, the Fine home. Do we know what they found?

FEYERICK: We don't. But the reason they were able to search the home is they did listen to a third accuser and found at least his allegations credible enough so that they were able to get a search warrant. The search warrant is under seal, so we don't quite know exactly what they were looking for. Eye witnesses say they did confiscate a file cabinet.

But in these types of cases, usually what you get, federal authorities will start looking for things like child pornography. Or they'll look for tapes, or anything that could link Bernie Fine to -- if not direct abuse, child pornography -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: All right. Deborah Feyerick, thank you so much.

Well, coming up in about 30 minutes, I'll talk with the woman who says she was married to a pedophile and never knew it.

Then, in the next hour of CNN NEWSROOM, we're going to play the entire conversation between Laurie Fine and Bobby Davis as it aired on ESPN.

Here's a rundown of some of the stories up ahead.

First, the family of a Florida A&M drum major who died after a game plans to sue over alleged hazing. They're going to hold a news conference. Fairly shortly, we're going to have a live report on that.

Then, about a dozen total strangers rushed to save a woman pinned under a truck.

And Prince William to the rescue. The future king of England co- pilots a helicopter pulling ship wrecked sailors from the sea.

And --

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ANNOUNCER: Zero -- and liftoff of the Atlas V with Curiosity --

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MALVEAUX: Pretty cool stuff. NASA sends its curiosity rover blasting off to the red planet.

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MALVEAUX: Time to go cross-country for a few stories our affiliates are covering.

A woman was pinned under this pickup truck after it rolled over on a highway near San Diego. About a dozen people rushed to help and lifted the truck up to get her out. She and one other person survived. The truck -- the driver of the truck died.

So, this Texas restaurant owner says he's playing guitar on the roof of his restaurant for the rest of the year. He's also living up there. He says he is a doing it to bring in customers because he can't afford advertising. Right now, he thinks he'll have to close at the end of December.

Some folks got a big wet kiss from a sea lion at the Buffalo Zoo. Visitors paid to pose for holiday photos with Okus (ph) the sea lion over the weekend. The zoo says he's one of the most popular animals there.

And we are doing a quick check of the Dow right now. It has surged 302 points. That is right following reports of strong Black Friday weekend sales. Going to check in live at the New York Stock Exchange.

And you can thank yourself and those big-time shopping trips for this fantastic market today. We're looking at sales climbed more than 6 percent over last year's four-day holiday weekend.

And we are going to cut that off there. Go to the Florida A&M news conference that is taking place now -- the family of the young band drum major who was killed in an alleged hazing incident.

Let's go there live.

CHRIS CHESTNUT, CHAMPION FAMILY ATTORNEY: That hazing has been covered up at the band FAMU for generations. And so, it is time now that we expose the truth, eradicate the root of this culture and come up with creative remedies on how to continue the excellence of FAMU's band but without hazing.

We welcome any questions you have regarding the lawsuit and any claims. I would love to talk about Robert, who was an outstanding individual, a man of compassion, caring, a man who loved music. It's unfortunately that ultimately music or at least the FAMU band took his life.

REPORTER: What evidence do you have that his death is a result of hazing?

CHESTNUT: We are not at liberty to discuss the specific facts of the case. But --and no one really can, but I think there is evidence. I am very confident there's evidence. The school's fired the band director.

There's evidence -- there is evidence of prior instances of hazing. There is evidence of a culture, a pervasive culture of hazing at FAMU. And so, everything points to that this, that Robert's death involved hazing.

REPORTER: Do you know what the actual cause of death was or --

CHESTNUT: The medical examiner has not released the actual cause, in fact, of Robert's death. But from the facts that we've learned thus far, they are -- they point to the fact that hazing was a cause of Robert Champion's death. And it was under FAMU's watch.

REPORTER: When you say hazing caused it, what happened? I mean, how can you say that hazing happened? And can you tell us if there's a clue as to what may have happened?

CHESTNUT: Well, I think you can reflect on the comments by law enforcement in Orlando. Comments made by the president at FAMU. Comments made by the band director at FAMU who said -- who confirmed that there was a history, culture of hazing in the band.

And so, everything's consistent. Everything points to hazing. It's just at such an early stage in this action, we cannot confirm specific facts, details. I cannot delineate for you exactly what happened, but we have a very strong inclination and great idea based on the various stories we're getting from many people who may or may not have witnessed the event.

REPORTER: Who specifically are you naming in the suit?

CHESTNUT: At this time, we cannot speak to the scope of the lawsuit because we're still learning. And so, the scope of the lawsuit is growing by the day.

But I can tell you that FAMU will be named in it.

REPORTER: Will there be individuals like the band director, anybody like that? CHESTNUT: It may very possibly be. And again, we're not alleging that this act falls on the shoulders of the band director. I know the band director was fired.

But this is a culture. It is a culture at FAMU of hazing. And so, this doesn't rest on any one person's shoulders.

We want to eradicate a culture of hazing so that this does not happen again. And that's why the family is here now speaking to the press because they want to create a culture conducive to people feeling comfortable coming forward.

Hazing is a culture of don't ask, don't tell. The family's message today is please tell.

A lot of students think they may rough me up a little bit. I just want to be accepted. I want to be able to progress, matriculate through an organization. And so, they trust the people in an organization that they may rough them up a little bit but they're not going to kill them.

We're here today to say you can die. You can die. So, if you're being hazed, either get out of the situation or say something. We implore you to say something.

REPORTER: Mr. and Mrs. Champion, what did Robert tell you about the time in the band? Did you know that he had been -- did you have any knowledge that he had been subject of hazing?

CHESTNUT: Again, the culture of hazing is don't ask, don't tell. So, that is the culture of it. Naturally, he wouldn't talk about hazing. I'm certain he's talked to them about his experience in the band.

PAM CHAMPION, ROBERT CHAMPION'S MOTHER: That's right. His experience in the band, he loved the band, the music, so much I always called him Mr. Band. His experience in the band was, in his word, great.

Robert was happy. He loved the band. And every band he's been in, he's loved performing in the band. So, there was no moment that he would come and say, you know, I don't like that. You could -- that was his life. You couldn't take him out of that band.

REPORTER: That's not the question. (INAUDIBLE).

P. CHAMPION: Absolutely. So much so the first hearing of my son passing, I almost couldn't believe it. I thought it was some kind of mean joke. You think you're dreaming and you're going to wake up.

And, of course, he was scheduled to come home Wednesday. So, you're still thinking, this can't be true.

At the same time, he's away from me. And so, he's away at school. So, it's still like a distant thing. I'm still thinking maybe this is, you know, maybe it's the wrong kid. Maybe it's somebody else's.

So, the whole thing has been very, very stressful for the family.

CHESTNUT: You know, Robert just called and said he was coming home for Thanksgiving. And so, his family anticipated his return to Atlanta. They thought he was coming home.

They had no idea of anticipating he'd be coming to Willie Watkins Funeral Home when he came back to Atlanta. That's not what you send your kid to college for.

REPORTER: There's been a lot of attention to hazing in fraternities and sororities. (INAUDIBLE)

CHESTNUT: Absolutely. Absolutely.

Again, I can't speak to every university. But it's certainly been a culture that has been protected at FAMU.

REPORTER: Mrs. Champion, we heard from your attorney about why you guys are doing what you're doing, and why you're coming forward. Maybe in your own words, can you tell us why you're talking to us today, why file this lawsuit.

P. CHAMPION: It's the same things he's already indicated. It needs to stop. We want it to stop. My husband and I talked dearly about this. It needs to stop.

And the whole purpose is to try to put it out there, to let people know that a change -- you have to make a change. And this needs to stop. No one wants to be standing in our shoes. No one wants to hear on a phone call that your son collapsed and died, over the phone.

And I'm four, five hours away and I can't be there for my son. I didn't know where he was. I'm thinking he's performing, getting on the bus, going back to school. Wednesday, he's headed home.

So my thing is to make sure this doesn't happen to anyone else. Let people know this is real. It is real.

When you're coming to this hazing, someone can seriously get hurt. My son is a great example. He's not with me. I'd love to have my son.

Come Thanksgiving morning which is something we have done ever since I can remember. If we were not at a parade, we were in front of a TV looking at a parade. And he, as big as he is, because my son was big. He's as tall as my husband. He would run in the room and jump on the bed and we'd sit down and look at the parade together.

After we look at the parade it was always after they had the Florida Classic, we'd go to the computers, pull up FAMU band performance and pull up other performances and compare them. He always trusted my judgment. Mama, what do you think? Did we do really good or did we not? And I would always be honest. But those moments I didn't get. It was hard Thanksgiving because that's something we've always done. For Thanksgiving and Christmas, it was always about parade.

REPORTER: Can you talk to us about your son too?

ROBERT CHAMPION, SR., ROBERT CHAMPION'S FATHER: My son meant the world to me. He was my oldest son, and we had a good relationship, a father and son relationship.

Nowadays, a lot of kids don't know their parents, a father -- but I knew my -- I knew my son. My son knew me. And we had a relationship. I always told Robert, anything that you need to talk about, I always try to leave a place where something would come up, you need your car fixed, Robert, you need to ask me anything you need to ask me, tell me anything you need to tell me, I'm here for you, just give me a call.

And the last time I talked to my son was Thursday night before the game. And I said, "Robert, how are you doing?" "Dad, I'm doing good. I'm practicing and going to work." I said, "Well, son, just hang in there. You're going to get where you're going to go."

So we have a relationship. But it gets hard when your only son. I feel blessed to have two daughters. But when your only son had to come back home like he came home because he wasn't doing anything, wasn't out robbing somebody, stealing, or whatever, he was going to school to try to do things that make his life better, other people's life better.

So, it's hard. It's a hard thing when you know that your son is trying to do good, trying to do right, trying to be attributing to life, to people, to have his life taken like that. So, it's hard.

REPORTER: Can you tell us a little bit about his career at FAMU? Because I know he's a little older. Had he started college late? Or had he graduated already?

R. CHAMPION: Well, he started college a year after he had graduated from high school. And he had to work to get his grades back up. So, he got to sit out two times to get his grades up to where he should be.

CHESTNUT: Robert was working through college. He was putting himself through college in addition to the sacrifices that his family made. So, this is a guy who was taking classes, who was a leader in the band, committed to the band, and who was also working to support himself in addition to what his family was doing for him.

So, this only compounds the problem that this family has sacrificed so much. Robert sacrificed so much not only to be at FAMU, but to be an active participant in the band at FAMU, and you finally reached, you are almost at the penultimate of your career in being a drum major and that ultimately costs you your life.

(INAUDIBLE) CHESTNUT: Repeat it?

(INAUDIBLE)

P. ROBERT: Actually, that was his first glimpse of a parade that I can remember because I would always carry the kids to the parade that we have in downtown Atlanta. And his first glimpse of that parade is what started his love for music. And then from there, like I said, he started in the fifth grade.

In the fifth grade, his first instrument that he picked up was the clarinet. And from there in middle school, he joined the middle school, which is Chapel Hill middle school in the band. And it wasn't until he got to Chapel Hill middle school that he actually started to blossom with his music.

Mrs. Brown, which was the band teacher at that time, saw the talent in him. So, what she did was have him direct the orchestra. You know, have him in front warming up the band directing the orchestra. His first -- he got to the eighth grade, that was his first performance with Southwest DeKalb High School. They would let eighth graders marched with them.

He marched and went to the very first game performance with Southwest DeKalb. That boy came home and he said, momma, I'm going to be the first -- the youngest drum major at Southwest DeKalb High School.

MALVEAUX: You're listening to the parents of Robert Champion, Pam and Robert Champion, talking about just the shock of their son dying tragically and suddenly through an alleged hazing incident. And also from the attorney who says they're now going to be filing a lawsuit against the university.

Florida A&M's marching band, it has history of hazing problems. According to the "Tallahassee Democrat," the school's police chief says his agency is investigating at least two other possible hazing incidents that occurred this semester.

Now, 30 band members were suspended as a result of those allegations. The paper says, in 2004, a band member was awarded $1.8 million for the beating that he took as a freshman trumpet player. The student was beaten so hard with a paddle board during initiation that he suffered kidney failure.

And even a former band director of 50 years told the paper that hazing has been a problem at the school since the '50s, the 1950s. Now, past band members told the paper that hazing has been long a part of the band's culture.

Now, next hour, I'm going to talk to a psychologist Jeff Gardere about the psychology of hazing. It is a problem. We've heard about it with sororities, fraternities and other types of institutions. Why does it get so violent?

(COMMERCIAL BREAK) MALVEAUX: Here's a rundown of some of the stories ahead.

Up next, NASA's mission to find out if there's life on Mars. A closer look at the Curiosity rover blasting its way towards the red planet.

U.S. relations with Pakistan taking another ugly turn. More on the fallout from a NATO air strike that killed 24 Pakistani soldiers.

Later, sailors stranded at sea after their cargo ship capsizes off the coast of Wales. The future king of England comes swooping in on a rescue helicopter.

Major developments in the Middle East as the Arab Spring becomes the Arab Autumn. Over the weekend, the Arab League slapped steep economic sanctions on Syria for refusing to stop the violence against the protesters there. But the bloodshed continues. The U.N. now estimates that more than 3500 people have died over the eight months of demonstrations against the government of Bashar al Assad.

In Yemen, President Ali Abdullah Saleh has agreed to step down. The embattled leader handed over power to his vice president last week Still unclear whether or not he's really gone for good or if his departure alone will be enough to calm all of the protests in one of the world's poorest countries.

In Libya, a dictator is dead but a new government now struggling to be born. Major challenges face this country. It is still split along tribal lines.

In Bahrain, unrest continues after a report reveals that police have been torturing protesters at demonstrations there.

And weeks of deadly demonstrations after that, it is Election Day for Egypt. An Egyptian-American journalist Mona Eltahawy, she knows firsthand how important the vote is for the future of the country. She also knows about the violence that has been taking place in Egypt. She just lived through a violent run-in with police herself. She said she was arrested, beaten, sexually assaulted while at those protests.

Mona joins us now.

Mona, it is good to see you safe, back in New York. Tell us what happens next. Are you able to go after the men who allegedly did this to you?

MONA ELTAHAWY, EGYPTIAN-AMERICAN JOURNALIST: I can't identify them because it was dark and there was about four or five of them who had beaten and sexually assaulting me. But I have copies of my X-ray and medical report.

I am consulting with human rights activists and a feminist group on the ground in Egypt, who are documenting cases of abuse. The feminist group, called Nadra (ph), which means "vision," is especially focusing on sexual violence against women perpetrated by both the police, in my case the riot police, and also the military. If you'll remember, in March, the military subjected several female activists to so-called virginity tests, which are basically sexual assaults.

So I'm taking part in this nationwide attempt to hold the military and the security junta and the security forces to account for the violence they're unleashing on thousands of Egyptians. I am just one of many who have suffered from their violence.

MALVEAUX: Mona, how do you do that? How do you go about doing that? That seems to be a tremendous task here. Do you file lawsuits? Do you file charges? How do you do that?

ELTAHAWY: Both. Every avenue available. As I said, this feminist movement is collecting cases and building it through the testimony that they're taking. The human rights attorneys that I'm talking to have a long and courageous and noble history of holding the Egyptian regime to account for its abuses.

So this is all part of our revolution. The reason that our revolution in Egypt began on January 25th, was -- one of the reasons was to protest police brutality. That clearly continues. In order for the revolution to continue, we have to tell the security forces and the military junta we will not be silenced against their abuses.

MALVEAUX: Mona, how do you make sure that part of this revolution is advocating the rights for women? That there is a role for women in this new Egyptian government?

ELTAHAWY: We do it exactly by speaking out. This feminist movement I mentioned, Nadra (ph), has been helping female candidates across Egypt prepare for the parliamentary elections today.

Today's election is the first since the revolution happened on January 25. But also through speaking out. I was on Egyptian television on a popular show hosted by Jonus Codyusafoda (ph). And the fact that I was on that show speaking in Arabic and speaking about the sexual assault that I faced, I think what that does is it tells a lot of Egyptian women out there that the shame belongs to the security forces who did this to me and not me.

There are so many other Egyptians, activists and journalists, who are also speaking out. In that speaking out we say very clearly that this revolution will not succeed unless women are part and parcel of it. We have been there from the very beginning.

MALVEAUX: Mona, tell us what this vote, what this election means to you today.

ELTAHAWY: This election is the first one since Hosni Mubarak was forced to step down. It's not going to be perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but it's the first of many elections through which we will finally rebuild Egypt. There are many parties who are not ready to take part in this election. The ones who were the most ready were the Islamists. They represent a portion of Egyptians in society as well.

I think the challenge for Egypt as a whole is to continue to improve on the elections in the future. To continue to get people both politically, socially and culturally involved. So that, whether these elections are perfect or not--I don't think they will be perfect--four or five years down the road the elections will get better and so on and so forth.

The most important thing for me is that, today, so many Egyptians felt engaged, are following tweets and reports on the ground. People are lining up, very happy to be part of this process of making our revolution succeed. And telling the military junta, you will not hijack our revolution. It's time for you to step aside.

MALVEAUX: Mona, thank you. It's so good to see you. Good to see you're safe and well. Best to your recovery.

Thank you, Mona.

ELTAHAWY: Thanks, Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Pakistan is shutting down vital supply lines to Afghanistan today. NATO troops are bracing for revenge attacks. An air strike over the weekend killed 24 Pakistan soldiers. Now Anti- American anger spilled over in the streets as men were buried yesterday. But there's still confusion right now over who fired first and what was NATO's target. Now a stern warning from Pakistan's prime minister that the deaths are not going to be taken lightly.

Reza Sayah, he's live in Islamabad this morning.

You had an exclusive sit-down, an interview with Pakistan's prime minister. And he is delivering a warning. What is he saying?

REZA SAYAH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: The warning to Washington by the prime minister is that the U.S.-Pakistani relationship is in jeopardy after this incident. The prime minister said it's no longer going to be business as usual. He said Pakistan is reassessing its partnership with the U.S. because this is a relationship, he said, that's fast losing support in the Pakistani public.

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SAYAH: Is your prediction that this relationship will continue with Washington?

YOUSUF RAZA GILANI, PRIME MINISTER OF PAKISTAN: That can continue on mutual respect and mutual interest.

SAYAH: Are you getting that respect?

GILANI: At the moment, not? SAYAH: You're not getting that respect?

SAYAH: If I can't protect the sovereignty of my country, how can we say it's mutual respect and mutual interest?

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SAYAH: This was clearly a prime minister that was angry after this incident. But we should also note that he was very diplomatic, delivering measured statements. He said, look, I don't want relations to end, but there must be changes. He wasn't very clear on what those changes should be. He said that's going to be up to Pakistan's parliament -- Suzanne?

MALVEAUX: We know that this is hardly the first time that the U.S. and Pakistan has not seen eye to eye on these things. Most notably there was incredible tension and anger that erupted after the U.S. raid in Pakistan that killed Osama bin Laden. What is the mood there? What is the sense of feelings towards Americans today?

SAYAH: Well, it's anger. Recent polls showed, before this incident, that support for the U.S. government was near single digits. This only makes things worse. That's the challenge for this prime minister. On one hand, he has to address the anti-American sentiment and the public. On the other hand, he has to see if it's worth salvaging a critical relationship with Washington.

It's a tough position. In the past, these two countries have somehow managed to overcome obstacles that were seemingly insurmountable. Indications are that they're going to overcome this one as well, but it's going to be interesting to see how they do it.

MALVEAUX: OK, Reza Sayah, thank you very much.

On to another story. If there was ever life on Mars, NASA hopes its "Curiosity" rover will be able to tell us all about it. They blasted off to the red planet this weekend. We're going to talk more about the mission in just a few minutes.

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MALVEAUX: Chad Myers joining us to talk about "Curiosity" rover that blasted off to Mars this weekend.

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MALVEAUX: Cool stuff.

CHAD MYERS, AMS METEOROLOGIST: Yes, I don't -- It was awesome. I don't think everybody saw it. So we want to run it again. The liftoff was flawless. It was perfect. The skies were great. This was what we were watching. John Zarrella was there.

I was listening to it actually on Sirius X.M. because I couldn't be in front of the TV set, so I'm glad we could play this again so I could see it again.

A flawless launch. On its way now. Tens of thousands of miles per hour on its way now to Mars. That was the easy part.

MALVEAUX: What happens next?

MYERS: What happens next? It becomes an extremely complicated landing. You know how usually just parachutes come out, things bounce up and down? This thing has parachutes, it has rockets, it has lowering -- go ahead and take this.

I'll show you what -- as it comes down, lands on the ground. The rockets hold up the crane, an air crane. We hope this all works. Then it lands to the ground and it will start to walk around. The coolest part is what it does when it walks around.

MALVEAUX: Yes. What's it supposed to do?

MYERS: It actually has a drill. They know that there's no life on the surface. They can't find it. Those rovers have been there a long time. It will drill into the ground. It will pick up dirt from the surface, bring it back into itself and analyze to see if there's ever been life on Mars.

MALVEAUX: Wow.

MYERS: We know there's no Martians walking around. But could something have lived a billion years ago? Certainly. Mars could have been much warmer. The sun could have been stronger. So there could have been more water. There could be water below the surface. We don't know. This will tell us below the surface what Mars looks like.

MALVEAUX: Wow. Tell us about the winter storm warnings, watches. Kind of weird for November in the south, yes?

MYERS: It is weird. Let me walk over here. I'll show you exactly. I don't have a whole lot of time. So I'm going to kind of rush through this. But we are seeing a bunch of snow this afternoon and tonight.

Going to develop from Memphis, back towards Nashville, even to northern Mississippi and Alabama. You could see two to four inches of snow.

The good news is it's going to be 34 degrees. So it's going to be beautiful in the sky. As soon as it hits the ground, at least on the roads, it will melt. It'll stick on the grass -- Suzanne?

MALVEAUX: OK, thank you, Chad.

MYERS: You've got it.

MALVEAUX: Newt Gingrich surging in popularity now. I'll tell you about the endorsement that he got in New Hampshire that could be bad news for the Romney campaign.

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MALVEAUX: After 16 terms in the House, Barney Frank says he's not going to be seeking re-election.

Joe Johns, live from the political desk in Washington to talk about this and more.

So, Joe --

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-- obviously the conservatives, they're not losing any sleep over this. He was an enemy of the conservatives. What does this mean? He was such a -- he is a larger than life political figure?

JOE JOHNS, CNN SENIOR CORRESPONDENT: He certainly is. You and I know, Suzanne, he is the Frank of Dodd-Frank, which is that banking reform bill that Republicans love to hate, they've been talking about so much on the campaign trail. But, yes, a controversial figure.

He is expected to announce his retirement today in Newton, Massachusetts. Been in Congress for 16 terms, known for all kinds of things, the House Financial Services Committee, one of the first openly gay members of Congress, among other things.

Dodd-Frank is the kind of bill that people have talked about again and again and again. Even the presidential candidates, they've talked about it.

So whatever his reasons, hopefully, we'll know about 1:00 eastern time today why Congressman Barney Frank, who was the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, now the ranking Democrat on the House Financial Services Committee, but a long career here in Washington. Also known by many, many people as just about one of the smartest members of Congress on Capitol Hill -- Suzanne?

MALVEAUX: We know that there's another big political player from the bay state. Mitt Romney getting ripped by a new ad from the DNC today. What kind of picture are they painting of the former governor.

JOHNS: Correct. Well, at first, you've got to say, if you were wondering which candidate the Democrats think they'll be facing off against in November, take a good, hard look at Mitt Romney. Democrats have been looking at him for a long time.

In a manner of speaking, they've already put some money on it. They've got this 30-second ad that has been running in battleground states, or are going to be running in battleground states, Ohio, North Carolina, Pennsylvania, just to name a few, plus, Washington, D.C. Definitely going after the low hanging fruit right now, if you will, pointing out the apparent contradictions in Mitt Romney's record, things like abortion, health care that can be viewed as flip- flops.

Do we want to take a listen or just move on?

JOHNS: OK?

MALVEAUX: Go ahead. All right, we're moving on.

JOHNS: All right, OK. We're going to move on. All right.

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You get the idea though. We'll see a lot more of that. Democrats will continue to press away on Mitt Romney as long as they think he's the guy they'll be facing in November.

MALVEAUX: Tell us a little bit about Gingrich. He's having a pretty good week so far.

JOHNS: A lot of people thought he was finished, and now he's got the endorsement of the New Hampshire "Union Leader" newspaper.

Even former President Bill Clinton, a Democrat, has had nice things to say about Gingrich, though that's not exactly supposed to help him in a Republican primary.

For his part, Gingrich is taking this moment on top of the polls to try to differentiate himself from Mitt Romney, pointing out he's a lot more conservative than Romney, which I think is something everybody knows. So interesting to see what happens when we finally get to the point where the votes are actually cast. But right now plenty to talk about -- Suzanne?

MALVEAUX: Always plenty to talk about.

Good to see you, Joe.

JOHNS: You bet.

MALVEAUX: For the latest political news, you know where to go, CNNpolitics.com.

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MALVEAUX: Child sex abuse scandal at Penn State and now Syracuse. Should or could the wives have suspected something? I'll talk to one woman who says her husband was a pedophile and she was clueless.

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MALVEAUX: First, Penn State, now child sex abuse allegations engulfing Syracuse University. Assistant basketball coach, Bernie Fine, is out of a job, fired after a third man came forward to say that Fine molested him. Now in the Penn State case, it is not clear what Jerry Sandusky's wife knew about his behavior. But Fine's wife appears to have known what was going on at Syracuse.

I want to bring in Darlene Ellison in Dallas. Her book is "The Predator Next Door." She has a column in "The Daily Beast," explaining how pedophiles can keep their wives in the dark.

First of all, thank you for speaking out. I know that this has been difficult for you but you've written about it, you talked about it. How was it in your own situation that your husband of 10 years, now your ex-husband, was able to hide his predator behavior, his sexual abuse of boys before the FBI brought him down?

DARLENE ELLISON, COLUMNIST, THE DAILY BEAST: Well, in our case, most of the abuses that did occur were not under our roof. He had compartmentalized the entire situation, so he'd set up this perfect family of four, and the abuse would take place outside of the family and/or in many cases outside of the country.

MALVEAUX: You say he went on trips where he was able to carry out these sexual crimes. Did he ever have access to children in your home?

ELLISON: Oh, absolutely. I mean he was a parent and so our children, at the time of his arrest, were 8 and 10 years old. He absolutely had access not only to our children but to our friends' children --

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ELLISON: -- which is one of the most disturbing things in hindsight.

MALVEAUX: Because you had suspected that perhaps he might have abused your own children?

ELLISON: Well, when you go from not having any idea to an FBI agent explaining to you what your ex-husband's being arrested for, your first thought is, oh, my gosh, what has he done to my children?

Oh, my gosh, what has he done to the children who were visiting, you know, every time they were under our roof? And then later, his roof, the children that he had volunteered with at the, you know, Y Princes and Y guys. The children he volunteered with, his church ministry work, his volunteer work, the children he had volunteered with at the school carnivals. All those things eat at you when you find out and/or realize what's happening here.

MALVEAUX: Darlene, help us understand how it is that this could happen. Were there any signs in hindsight that you think about, oh, this doesn't feel right, it doesn't sound right, this isn't making sense with what my husband is saying and telling me, and then later, you find out what he actually did?

ELLISON: Yes and no. That's a tough question to answer. I get asked that quite a bit, as you can imagine, especially in the last seven years. I think the hardest thing is -- and hindsight is 20-20 but only to a certain extent.

I feel like that unless -- in terms of identifying somebody unequivocally, that you know, this person is abusing children, you have to be in the room witnessing this. You have to know that's happening.

So are there red flags that somebody is a pedophile? Absolutely. But when you look at what the red flags are, some of those things are something that makes you absolutely endearing.

If a man comes to a young woman and says, I volunteer for this and that agency, I love giving back to the community and I loving helping children, I love mentoring. I love -- that's not necessarily -- while that might be listed as a red flag of somebody who is a pedophile, that in and of itself doesn't make somebody a pedophile. There are some wonderful men out there who volunteer with children who are not pedophiles.

MALVEAUX: So you didn't see any red flags with your husband in his situation.

ELLISON: No. Even in hindsight, my mistake would have been not to add up the red flags, if you will -- not red flags that he was a pedophile but red flags that there were problems in the marriage.

And I think when there are problems within a marriage, oftentimes a couple tends to detach or co-exist within the same home while they're trying to figure out, working through the issues. But in hindsight, there truly weren't.

Did he volunteer for children? Yes, he did. Was he charismatic? Did he love -- you know, when they went on a campout with the kids? Was he the dad that he loved hanging out with the kids and entertaining them while the other dads cooked? Yes, he did. Did he travel quite a bit? Yes, he did. And he had great explanations for all those that actually (AUDIO PROBLEM).

MALVEAUX: I'm sorry, we lost Darlene there. Telling her own story about the situation with her husband of ten years, now her ex- husband, who was accused and convicted of pedophilia.