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Egyptians Vote; The Psychology of Hazing; Bernie Fine Fired by Syracuse University; Karzai To Discuss Rape Victim's Case; Barney Frank Won't Run Again

Aired November 28, 2011 - 12:00   ET

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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Top of the hour. I'm Suzanne Malveaux.

I want to get you up to speed. The family of a student allegedly killed in a hazing incident at Florida A&M university say they are now suing the school. Robert Champion was a drum major with the school's famous Marching 100. His parents spoke about their only son during a news conference just this past hour.

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PAM CHAMPION, SON DIED AFTER ALLEGED HAZING: No one wants to be standing in our shoes. No one wants to hear on a phone call that your son collapsed and died, over the phone.

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MALVEAUX: Big day for democracy in Egypt. Polling centers were overflowing today in the country's first election since the Arab spring revolution. Now, this vote comes after a bloody week of protests in the streets of Cairo.

But defying expectations of more violence, Egyptians peacefully waited in line for hours for their chance to cast a ballot. For many, it was an emotional moment.

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I feel great. I feel my vote will change Egypt to a better future.

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MALVEAUX: More bad blood between Pakistan and the United States -- 24 Pakistani soldiers were killed this weekend in a NATO attack near the country's border with Afghanistan.

In an exclusive interview with CNN, Pakistan's prime minister is giving the U.S. this warning.

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YOUSUF RAZA GILANI, PAKISTANI PRIME MINISTER: Business as usual will not be there. Therefore, we have to have something bigger to satisfy my nation, the entire country. (END VIDEO CLIP)

MALVEAUX: The president of Afghanistan is going to meet with judicial officials on Thursday to talk about an imprisoned rape victim.

Now, this woman was raped and impregnated by her cousin's husband. She was then sentenced to prison time for breaking adultery laws. Almost 5,000 people have petitioned now for her release.

And it is lunchtime for workers on the East Coast. Many are planning to spend their lunch hour filling up online shopping carts on Cyber Monday. That's right. But before you hit the buy button, you may want to wait for some better deals.

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MALVEAUX: Here's a rundown of some of the stories ahead this hour.

First, a warning for those hoping to get away with a little Cyber Monday shopping while on the company clock. Yes, my guess is, this is going to show you how you are being actually watched while you do that.

Then, drawing the line on a dangerous rite of passage. We are looking into the psychology of hazing.

Also, we will play you the disturbing conversation Bernie Fine's wife has with an alleged sex abuse victim.

Plus :

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: This crime seems to be to many the perfect crime and it is just incredibly interesting that this guy, the only unsolved skyjacking in U.S. aviation history, is unknown.

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MALVEAUX: See if they learned anything new at the first-ever D.B. Cooper symposium.

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MALVEAUX: The parents of a 26-year-old college student are suing Florida A&M University after he died following allegations of hazing.

Now, right now, there is no official cause of death for Robert Champion. But parents say they are concerned about a culture of cover-up when it comes to hazing in the university's marching band. Champion was a drum major who was seen throwing up and out of breath after an out-of-town game.

We have heard so many cases of sororities, fraternities through the years and hazing even in high schools. But what is it about hazing that attracts so many of these young folks? Joining us is psychologist Jeff Gardere.

And, Jeff, first of all, we should point out hazing has gone on for centuries. It is dangerous. It is sometimes a fatal practice. It is not just men, but men and women, black, white, you name it, all kinds of universities and students that participate in this. Why does it persist, do you think?

JEFF GARDERE, CLINICAL PSYCHOLOGIST: Well, it persists because hazing is something that comes very natural to many of the places that you talked about, including the military, especially in the colleges, and it is, as -- a term that you used earlier, people see it as a rite of passage.

It's a way to put discipline out there for someone who wants to become part of a bigger group. It's a way to establish hierarchy. And it is a way to become part of that group and then later on that person who has been hazed feel, I will do unto others what has been done unto me.

Hazing by itself, if it is supervised, can be an academic hazing. It can be a hazing that may not be so dangerous. Where it becomes a problem, of course, is when it becomes physical and now we are finding it's also become very sexual.

MALVEAUX: Why is it tolerated by so many administrations and universities and groups that kind of the leaders of these groups look the other way?

GARDERE: Well, because it is part of the culture. We know, for example, now with marching bands perhaps, but we have always known with team sports, with fraternities and sororities, it is part of that culture. It's part of a tradition.

And for a lot of these cases of dangerous hazing that we hear of, there is hazing that in many ways has not been dangerous. It can be at times demeaning, but it is part of the way to become part of this group, part of a fraternity or a sorority, and things don't always go awry. And that's why it continues.

Now, administrators look the other way because their heads are in the sand. A lot of times when they know dangerous hazing is going on, they don't want to believe it, they think it is part of this rite of passage. But it is absolutely wrong and it should not be happening.

MALVEAUX: Well, Jeff, is there an alternative to hazing that might be equally attractive to young people?

GARDERE: Absolutely. I'm a member of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity. This is not a commercial for them in any way, but back in the day when I was joining that fraternity, I did not experience any hazing.

In fact, there was a protocol that was set up where we were required to do hours in the library and bring up our grades to a certain point where then we could become part of that fraternity.

And that's what I would like to see a lot of more of these universities do. Find very productive, positive ways of getting people to be part of that group to qualify for the group, not of demeaning them and tearing them down, because if you have that personality where that person is not strong enough, it can destroy them psychologically. Certainly we have seen it physically and sexually.

MALVEAUX: And, Jeff, what is it about testing someone, taking it to the extremes that is so appealing to some in forming groups and bonds?

GARDERE: Well, what we see is that there are certain players that are involved. Of course, we have the victim. We have the perpetrator. But we also have the people who stand by and watch. We call these people the bystanders.

And they seem to give more power to the hazing because they become silent or they may egg on the person who's hazing. And so this becomes sort of like a spectacle to the other people around, and people take some joy in it, though they should not be doing that in any way.

So by just being silent or by egging it on, it becomes this spectacle that people are enjoying perhaps a little bit too much. So, therefore, bystanders need to step up and say, stop with this, it's too much, you're demeaning the person too much. And, of course, the authority figures need to be much more in charge and establish rules for safety.

MALVEAUX: All right, Jeff, thank you so much for your perspective.

And, obviously, Jeff will be back shortly to talk about another subject, the wives of pedophiles and how they deal or don't deal with the horrible discovery of their husbands.

Also, the full recorded telephone conversation between the wife of fired Syracuse coach Bernie Fine and one of the men who accuses Fine of molesting him.

After weeks of violence, a peaceful election today in Egypt, but how long is it going to last? We will get a report from Cairo.

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MALVEAUX: It is a big vote, even bigger questions today about the future of Egypt.

Ivan Watson is in Cairo for the first election there since Hosni Mubarak was forced out of power.

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IVAN WATSON, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Hundreds of people are waiting patiently in line at this Cairo polling station. In fact, the line of women voters stretches all the way around the block. And most of the people we have talked to here are saying this is the first time they have ever participated in an Egyptian election. UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: I have never voted before, because, you know, we didn't have such, you know, awareness. And we didn't have this faith in fair elections and fair voting. That's why.

WATSON: Why didn't you vote before? There were other elections in Egypt.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. No, because I am -- really know that my vote or my voice hasn't any importance.

WATSON: Under Mubarak?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Yes. No under Mubarak and under Sadat and under Gamal Abdel Nasser.

WATSON: And now?

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And now I think maybe I'm wrong. It is free. It is good election.

WATSON: Voters here say there are more than 100 candidates that they can pick from at this polling station. That's a big change from the era of Hosni Mubarak, when the ruling political party frequently bused in voters to cast ballots in favor of that party.

But there are also already allegations of voting irregularities. For instance, people are distributing pamphlets for different candidates at the polling station and even advertising with posters right outside the entrance of the station.

Ivan Watson, CNN, Cairo.

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MALVEAUX: And take a quick look at the stock market, the Dow Jones now up about 311 -- 310 points. We're keeping a close eye on that, the Dow Jones industrials up 310 points.

Bernie Fine fired by Syracuse University -- coming up, his wife's own words about allegations her husband is a pedophile. You're going to hear an alleged victim's secretly recorded phone call in its entirety.

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MALVEAUX: Here's a look at the rundown and what we are working on this hour.

First, secret recordings of a conversation between a man who says he was abused by a Syracuse basketball coach and the coach's wife. And she says she knew everything.

Then if you are shopping for Cyber Monday sales at work right now, be warned employers may be spying on you.

And later, investigators from all over are meeting to talk about the only unsolved skyjacking in U.S. history, the case of D.B. Cooper. Well, a longtime assistant basketball coach at Syracuse University is out of a job. A third man now claims that Bernie Fine molested him when he was a boy. Now, Fine's wife, Laurie, is heard secretly -- a secretly recorded telephone call in 2002 discussing her husband with a man who says he is a victim as well.

Here's a report from Mark Schwarz as it airs on ESPN.

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MARK SCHWARZ, ESPN: Bobby Davis says he knew of one person who could validate that he was being sexually abused by Bernie Fine, that person was fine's wife, Laurie Fine.

LAURIE FINE, WIFE OF BERNIE FINE: Hello?

BOBBY DAVIS, ALLEGED SEXUAL ABUSE VICTIM: Mrs. Fine?

FINE: Yes.

DAVIS: It's Bobby.

FINE: Hi Booby. How are you?

SCHWARZ: Davis says that in October of 2002 he recorded a phone conversation with Laurie Fine without her knowledge, a legal act based on the location of both parties. During the call, Fine, seen here in hidden camera video from 2003 discussed the alleged sexual molestation of Davis by her husband. Syracuse associate head basketball coach Bernie Fine.

FINE: What did he want you to do? You can be honest with me.

DAVIS: What he's always doing.

FINE: He wants you to grab him?

DAVIS: Yes. He tried to make me grab him. He was like, he grabbed me and --

FINE: But you never had any oral sex with him?

DAVIS: No. I think he would want to.

FINE: Of course he would. Why wouldn't he?

SCHWARZ: After bringing his allegations against Bernie Fine to a Syracuse police detective in 2002, and getting nowhere, Davis says he was determined to confirm his story. He says he hoped Laurie Fine would disclose on tape the details of her own knowledge of the abuse he says started when he was 12 and continued for more than a decade.

So what were you hoping to accomplish by recording it?

DAVIS: Laurie was a person that I talked to a lot about this situation as I got older. She was there a lot of the times and seen a lot of things that were going on, you know, when, you know, Bernie would come down in the basement in his house, at night when I was laying down there and you know, she had to see him every night do that, but Laurie was the only one else that knew about what was going on, you know? And saw things that were happening and with her own eyes and that we talked about it.

FINE: I know everything that went on. I know everything that went on with him. Bernie has issues maybe that he's not aware of, but he has issues and you trusted somebody you shouldn't have trusted. Bernie is also in denial. I think that he did the things he did, but he's somehow through his own mental telepathy has erased them out of his mind.

SCHWARZ: Davis who periodically stayed here at the Fines' former home beginning in the seventh grade and at one point had his own room in their basement says Laurie Fine told him she was aware that her husband was sexually abusing him.

DAVIS: Do you think I'm the only one he ever did that to?

FINE: No. I think there might have been others, but it was geared to there was something about you.

DAVIS: Yes, that's what I'm wondering, like, I'm wondering why I was --

One time, she told me about an essence where she saw and through the basement window and she left the blinds open a little bit one night and because she acted like she took the garbage out but she watched through the window.

SCHWARZ: What did she see?

DAVIS: Bernie, grabbing me and touching me. And she said the next day, Bobby, we got to do something. This is when I was older, probably a junior in high school, you got to step up to him and say something, you got to be a man.

SCHWARZ: During the phone call, Davis explained to Laurie Fine that when he was about 27 years old, in the late '90s, he asked Bernie Fine for $5,000 to help pay of some student loans.

FINE: When he gave you the money, what did he want for that?

DAVIS: He asked me to touch him a couple of times. Grabbed my hand and put me in your bed, and you know, then I would pull away. And then he'd put any in your bed and then, you know, put me down.

FINE: Right. Right. Because he gave you money in order to get what he wanted. It is about the (EXPLETIVE DELETED). You know that. So I'm telling you for your own good, you're better off staying away from him.

SCHWARZ: During the call, Laurie Fine suggested to Davis what her husband should do with his need for male companionship.

FINE: You know what, find yourself a gay boy, get your rocks off and have it be over with.

DAVIS: Yes.

FINE: You know, he needs a -- that male companionship that I can't give him, nor is he interested in me and vice versa.

SCHWARZ: At one point, Laurie Fine seems to say that her husband was not the only adult in the Fine household who betrayed Davis' trust.

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MALVEAUX: Just ahead: part two of Laurie Fine's telephone conversation with a man who says her husband is a pedophile.

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MALVEAUX: Now the second part of Laurie Fine's telephone call with Bobby Davis. He is one of three men who says her husband, fired Syracuse coach Bernie Fine, molested him.

Here's a report from Mark Schwarz as it aired on ESPN.

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SCHWARZ: At one point, Laurie Fine seems to say that her husband was not the only adult in the Fine household who betrayed Davis' trust.

FINE: He had no business doing what he did with you. I really helped screw you up a little more too.

SCHWARZ: Davis says he and Laurie Fine had a sexual relationship that she initiated when he says he was 18 and a senior in high school.

SCHWARZ: Were you ever with her sexually?

DAVIS: Yes.

SCHWARZ: Slept with her?

DAVIS: Yes.

SCHWARZ: Had intercourse with her?

DAVIS: Yes.

SCHWARZ: Does Bernie Fine know about that?

DAVIS: I did tell Bernie when I got older. When I was a kid, I thought he was going to kill me. I had to tell him. I told him about it, what was going on with me and Laurie. It didn't pace him one bit honestly.

SCHWARZ (voice-over): Later in the call, Laurie Fine tells Davis she wanted to come to his defense, but she just wasn't capable of it.

FINE: Because I care about you and I didn't want to see you being treated that way. It is like another girl like I told you it would be easy for me to step in because you know what you're up against, you're, when it's someone, it's another guy, you can't compete with that. It's just wrong and you were a kid. You're a man now, but you were a kid then.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: This is about a kid who was abused and adults who didn't help, who didn't step in, who in fact sort of allowed it, created a space for it to go on.

SCHWARZ: Danielle Roach, who has been friends with Davis since the second grade says as a teenager she served as the Fine's baby-sitter about three years.

Recently, Roach listened to the conversation again. Davis first played the call for her after recording it in 2002.

DANIELLE ROACH, BOBBY DAVIS' FRIEND: This tape tells me that Laurie knew and watched it go on, knowingly that it was going on in her home for a long time.

SCHWARZ: Roach, who is now a mother herself, says she cannot imagine how any mother could know sexual abuse was happening in her home and not act.

ROACH: It's amazing that she can say some of the things she says to Bobby, couldn't pick up the phone and say maybe this isn't the place for your kid, maybe he shouldn't be here.

SCHWARZ: At the time, Davis says he questioned whether anyone would ever believe his story. Yet Laurie Fine tells him she's already warned her husband one day his alleged molestation of Davis might become public.

FINE: I said to him, you know, Bobby and I talked and I know some things about you that if you keep pushing are going to be let out.

DAVIS: Yes.

FINE: He didn't even flinch.

DAVIS: I know! That's what I'm saying -

FINE: He say, beautiful, let him go ahead. Sure. Let him go right ahead.

DAVIS: He doesn't think he can be touched, like -

FINE: No. He thinks that, I think, he thinks he's about the law.

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MALVEAUX: So a family member tells CNN that Laurie Fine is going to have more to say about this recording later today.

But it seems apparent from the tape that she knew what was going on, looked the other way, clinical psychologist Jeff Gardere joins us again from New York.

First of all, Jeff, I mean this story is disturbing on so many levels. I guess this kind of thing does go on this some households. But can you explain to us -- help us understand first of all how it is that his wife, Laurie Fine, could let this go on if you believe this phone conversation. What is the thinking behind that?

GARDERE: Well, I think what may be going on here and what I am picking up from the phone conversations, this was a marriage that was totally unhealthy, it was probably destroyed.

She appeared to be disgusted by his behavior, disgusted by him, seems like they were living in the same household, but certainly not sharing a bed the way that a husband and wife would share a bed.

And in some ways we talk about this whole idea, Suzanne, of identified with the aggressor. This appears to be a woman, Laurie fine, who was identifying with the victim.

Also in some ways saw herself powerless, kind of became an ally, certainly to the point, if it's true, where they started sharing a bed, her and Bobby Davis, and that certainly was not healthy in any way and didn't help the situation.

MALVEAUX: Well, she seems to blame the alleged victim in this case, Bobby Davis, for being naive and trusting the wrong guy. Is she just rationalizing this? What is behind that?

GARDERE: Well, a lot of it is rationalization. There is a term we use in psychology called cognitive dissonance. That's where there are two opposing thoughts that take a home in your mind. What we see a wife in a case like this sees her husband as being this wonderful guy, this person that she loves, that she married.

But on the other hand, suspects or may know subconsciously that there's something very wrong and that he's a pedophile. So the only way that she can live with these two opposing thoughts is by either being in denial, by minimizing what's going on, or distancing herself as much as possible.

And we see that in this particular case if these allegations are true, that she's distanced herself from her husband, Bernie Fine and now appears to want to come out and talk about this. But I wonder if she will take responsibility for her own dysfunctional behaviors and doing in some ways what the aggressor has done where she's identifying with Bernie and done the same thing to this young man.

MALVEAUX: Does she get anything out of this by allowing this to happen in her home?

GARDERE: Yes. She gets to live, she gets to share the home, she gets the benefits of the home, and she gets to not have to face her own incredible fears that she married a monster in some ways enabled that, was a person who just watched all of this happen and perhaps could have done much more. So therefore she doesn't have to accept responsibility, ultimate responsibility for her own behavior in some ways watching a husband doing these things and not going to the police, much, much earlier on when this was allegedly going on.

MALVEAUX: Explain to us how she could in watching this behavior occur -- we believe he was 12 at the time that they -- that the sexual abuse began here, but she has a relationship with him when he's 18. Was she just as guilty in terms of just keeping him around for their pleasure?

GARDERE: Well, I guess we can make that judgment and it is easy to make that judgment. We don't really know. We're theorizing must have been going on in the mind of this woman. We don't know what was happening in the marriage. Was it an abusive relationship?

We really don't know. Certainly as an adult she should have taken responsibility. In some ways she has become a mandated reporter, if you will, in that she allegedly saw her husband acting out sexually towards a child.

There is no excuse for not bringing that to light and bringing that to the police. But of course, being married to that person and having an established life and turning that upside down by coming forward is something that a lot of people fear who are in this kind of a marriage.

MALVEAUX: Jeff, she does seem to offer an excuse in this conversation when she says perhaps it would have been different if she caught him with a girl, a young girl, a 12-year-old girl, as opposed to a 12- year-old boy. Why is she making this distinction and treating this differently because it was a boy who he was with and not a girl?

GARDERE: We see this with many women who are married to pedophiles and pedophiles who go after the same sex who go after boys. Basically what she's saying is I don't know what to do with this.

If this were a young girl, if this were a teenager, then I can address his philandering, his messing around, but this is a guy who I thought was heterosexual, who I married to be in a heterosexual relationship.

And so I can't understand his sexuality. I can't understand his acting out with little boys. This is just too much for my mind to fathom. I don't know how to compete. I don't know what to do.

MALVEAUX: But why was she not seeing this young boy as a child? Why wasn't she able to see that part? I don't get that.

GARDERE: I think what may have been going on is that this is a woman who had to minimize, who was in denial. So in many ways saw this young man or maybe other young men as play things, as toys, as individuals that she didn't have a real relationship with.

Her relationship was with her husband and this is what her husband was doing. Think about this, Suzanne. If she started identifying with had this little boy when he was a little boy at the time, then she would have to take responsibility and come forward as far as the legality and as far as going to the police.

By minimizing him, pushing away what her husband was doing, then she had that psychological safety.

MALVEAUX: It's just so disturbing and bizarre. Thank you for helping us try to understand some of this. We should also remind viewers that Laurie Fine -- that there will be a statement at least a relative says there is going to be a statement from Laurie Fine about these tapes and this phone conversation that we've been listening to that she will address some of the things that have come up in this record conversation. We'll be looking out for that as well.

GARDERE: Absolutely.

MALVEAUX: Thank you, Jeff.

Is your boss watching while you shop at work? There are more companies monitoring holiday shopping while on the job.

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MALVEAUX: All right, so if you're planning to shop for some Cyber Monday deals while you were at work, you got to watch out. Big brother could be watching you.

Turns out that according to recent survey, 60 percent of chief information officers say their companies block access to online shopping sites.

That is up from 48 percent from last year. Joining me now is John Abell with wired.com. John, first of all, I guess people shop, sometimes they do it at work. They're not supposed to. Why are companies blocking for of these sites?

JOHN ABELL, NEW YORK BUREAU CHIEF FOR WIRED.COM: One second. All right, one click. I'm in. Look, it is kind of silly. It is good for the economy for God's sake and they can't block everything. They might try to block sort of the big names that we know, Amazon, eBay, those places, but everyone has a shopping cart on the internet. It is a losing battle.

MALVEAUX: Do you think it is an invasion of privacy? Do you think it's fair?

ABELL: Well, you're at work and they own the equipment. They can sort of try and do whatever they want. The bigger problem is what people always do, they sort of waste time at the water cooler or make personal calls, e-mail, they do social networking every day other than Cyber Monday.

So as I say, they can try and do it but it is not a great idea. It is bad for morale, et cetera. So why bother? People have smartphones. They could do Amazon one click like he was pretending to do a moment ago.

MALVEAUX: OK, well, many employers, they're not blocking these sites, but they are tracking how they're used. So how do they actually track online shopping?

ABELL: Well, if you own the computer and you own the history, browsing history and stuff like that, it is not hard to do. It is exactly what web browsers do, they track your history and so all they have to do and look and see where you've been.

There's lots of ways to do this. It is sort after pointless enterprise because it is going to go away. People are going to do this an anyway and they're not going to like you. It is one day of the year, let it go.

MALVEAUX: How do you avoid getting on your company's naughty list if you are doing some of the shopping?

ABELL: You can bring your own computer, tablet or smartphone. Can you do it in the hallway or in the parking lot. You could do it on your breaks that you're allowed to have, your lunch hour. So it's true that the employee can also sort of play nice with the employer and do it when they could.

There is a bigger picture here. According to the U.S. Bureau of Labor Statistics, productivity for the American worker has been greater for the past 10 years, which is really the sweet era of e- commerce than it was for the previous quarter of a century, basically before the internet.

And comparable to the post-war boom so the notion that the internet is sort of sucking away dollars from small and big business is kind of wrong. It is really created a huge economy, real opportunities. So put it in perspective. Play nice. Don't antagonize your boss, but bosses, don't antagonize your employees.

MALVEAUX: Yes, give folks a little bit of a break. All right, John, thank you. Happy shopping.

MALVEAUX: As soon as you walk into some big stores, the retail machine kicks in, to try to get your money. Well, "Smart Is The Rich" author Christine Romans spoke with a marketing insider who had pointers to help you hang on to some of that cash.

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CHRISTINE ROMANS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: It's hard to escape the grip that companies have on us, particularly if we don't even know it's happening, Martin. How do they get us? Give us some of the secrets.

MARTIN LINDSTROM, AUTHOR, "BRANDWASHED": Well, it happens everywhere. Just think about this when you walk into a retail store, like a supermarket. Did you know that if we walk counterclockwise throughout the store, we actually spend 7 percent more?

And not only that, we actually are seeing now that supermarkets are putting in speed bumps into the floor so the tiles are starting to vibrate slightly. It makes us slow down. And as we do that, we spend 6 percent more. And not only that, we also know now that the type of music that they're using in the retail store actually makes us spend more money. So actually every signal we're exposed for every second actually has one single agenda, and that is to make us spend more.

ROMANS: Wow, it's like being in a Vegas casino where there are no windows and no clocks and the light is just perfect --

LINDSTROM: Yes.

ROMANS: Except it's the supermarket and they're trying to make you reach into your pocket and spend more money. So next time we're shopping, what can we do differently not to fall for it?

LINDSTROM: I think one of the best advice is not to bring your kids with you. We know today that if you bring your kids with you, you're going to spent 26 percent more. There's also another good advice, and it sounds stupid, but it actually works very well, use your music player or your iPhone and play some music -- really hard (ph) music, you know, a very high rhythm, because that makes you rush out of the supermarket very quickly.

And, by the way, another advice -- to always use very big dollar notes. You know, the $100 bills or the $50 notes because that actually makes you spend less because it has a denomination effect. The idea is very simple. It is the less money you spend, well, typically it's directly correlated with the higher bills you had in your pocket.

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MALVEAUX: Afghan President Hamid Karzai is meeting with officials this week to discuss the case of a woman who was raped, impregnated and thrown in prison for it. Here she is. The case has caused international outrage. Now it seems the Afghan government may be bending under pressure. Our CNN's Nick Paton Walsh is live from Kabul.

And, Nick, it's a terrible situation here. What are the chances that this woman is going to be released, first of all?

NICK PATON WALSH, CNN INTERNATIONAL CORRESPONDENT: Well, Suzanne, we don't know at the moment. What we do know is the presidential palace told us today that on Thursday President Karzai is going to have a high-level meeting with his judiciary to discuss this issue, amongst others. And after that, they may issue a statement if they think that's necessary.

Now, translated, that suggests that President Karzai here has heard the appeals, has received the petition of nearly 5,000 names collected over the Internet and a plea for clemency from Gulnaz's lawyer and is now looking personally at the case.

Hopes high certainly amongst her legal team. That may change her plight. Remember, she still has another year left to serve out her sentence. Prosecutors deciding that although the adultery she served in jail wasn't serious enough for her to serve out the full 12 years, they wanted her kept in jail for a little bit longer because she hadn't reported that crime fast enough. So, tonight, despite the past (ph) intervention, she does remain in jail with her daughter.

Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: So she's being punished for what this man did. What about him? The guy who attacked her? What is his fate?

WALSH: He's in jail now. A number of years left to serve on his sentence. We actually spoke to him a while back off camera and he sees the whole scene quite differently. He says he never actually had sexual contact with Gulnaz. There was no rape. And says actually the main threat against Gulnaz at this point is from her own family, who he believes may kill her after the dishonor she's brought. Obviously that's something her family completely deny.

A very different picture for him, though. He is still in jail and has also heard the suggestion that they should marry to legitimize her child. A very disturbing story, Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: Nick, indeed very disturbing. Is this something that's common in some places?

WALSH: I could only speak to what remarkably we heard from Afghan prosecutors when we asked about this case. They said they couldn't immediately tell us about Gulnaz because she wasn't really on their radar. It was a relatively common thing to happen in Afghanistan. Women jailed for adultery or some kind of moral crime after, in fact, they say they've been sexually assaulted. Certainly, I mean, this appears to be what happened in Gulnaz' case.

So certainly, yes, human rights activists here, even somebody who spoke from the United Nations, deeply concerned about how prosecutors treat women, how they apply the law. Reforms in the law here to try and give women a better chance when faced with terrible ordeals like this, but still great concerns that things aren't really moving fast enough towards reform.

Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: All right, Nick Paton Walsh, we appreciate it. Thank you, Nick.

Time to go cross-country for a few stories our affiliates are covering.

A woman was pinned under this pick-up truck after it rolled over on a highway near San Diego. About a dozen people rushed to help and lifted the truck to get her out. She and one other person survived. The driver of the truck died.

Al right, so this Texas restaurant owner says he's playing guitar on the roof of his restaurant for the rest of the year. He's also living up there. He says he's doing it to bring in customers because he can't afford advertising. Right now he thinks he'll have to close at the end of December.

Well, some people got a big wet kiss from a sea lion at the Buffalo Zoo. Check it out. Visitors paid to pose for holiday photos with Pocus (ph) this sea lion over the weekend. The zoo says he's one of the most popular animals there.

And dozens of investigators who have been stumped by the case of D.B. Cooper are putting their heads together now. Cooper parachuted out of a plane with ransom money 40 years ago. The summit could bring new revelations to that infamous hijacking.

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MALVEAUX: Want to go to a live event. Congressman Barney Frank, who is announcing that he will not seek re-election for 2012. Let's listen in.

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REP. BARNEY FRANK (D), MASSACHUSETTS: I have gone through some changes here. Last year, particularly around the time of the signing of the financial reform bill, I tentatively decided I was going to make this my last term.

I spent a very busy and somewhat stressful four years with the financial crisis, first dealing with the crisis, and then dealing with the legislation to make it less likely that we were going to have another one. I then had, as is appropriate, a very spirited campaign for re-election. And my view was that I could do my job best fighting for the public policies I care about by making this my last term.

And then funny thing happened on the way to retirement. A very conservative Republican majority took over the House. At that point, it seemed to me that some of the things I had fought hardest for could be in jeopardy.

Financial reform, which I anticipated the conservative Republicans who are running the House would try to undermine. And, additionally, I was afraid that given the need to do deficit reduction, this very conservative majority would seek to block any increase in taxation on the wealthiest people and would seek to protect the military from any spending cuts so that the necessary deficit reduction would fall disproportionately on Social Security, Medicare and other programs that enhance the quality of our lives here at home.

And I thought that if I were to announce in December that I was a lame duck, that that would weaken my chances of having influence.

Ordinarily, I would not have announced as early as I did, but we are doing redistricting -- or did redistricting and the legislative leadership and my colleagues all said, look, it's important for you to tell everybody, all of us, whether you plan to run or not.

And so I gave my initial view. And I was planning to run again. And then the congressional redistricting came and this decision was precipitated by congressional redistricting, not entirely caused by it. I've been ambivalent about running, not because I don't continue to think the job is important, but because there are other things I'd like to do in my life before my career's over.

I was a fledgling academic. I think I have the longest uncompleted Ph.D. thesis in Harvard history haunting me. And there are a lot of things I would like to do. Some people are able to write and also pursue an active life. I am easily distracted by -- I started writing this statement, the blank page, but I want to be eau current, the blank screen. I will take almost any excuse not to write. And I do want to write and I want to write about some serious issues.

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MALVEAUX: You've been listening to Congressman Barney Frank announcing that he is not going to run again for election in 2012, a 16-term congressman.

Let's bring in Joe Johns to give a little perspective about what this means. He really has been a very significant political figure in Washington and Massachusetts, of course, for quite some time.

JOE JOHNS, CNN CORRESPONDENT: That's true. And, you know, it's funny when you hear him talking about having the longest incomplete Ph.D. thesis in the history of Harvard.

One of things that you have to say about him, and I mean and take away all that stuff about redistricting and his reasons for coming, his reasons for going, this guy is a teacher and I think he's a teacher at heart in many ways. And that has sort of aggravated people on Capitol Hill, at the same time it's really brought him laurels.

And the fact is that whenever you talk to Barney Frank, when you walk away, he may insult you, he may anger, he may make you think -- feel proud depending on your political inclination, but he will leave you with a sense that you learned something from what he said.

And that's what he's done on Capitol Hill. Most recently in his iteration as the chairman of the House Financial Services Committee, and then the ranking Democrat on that very same committee. He's been a guy who is always trying to teach. And now it sounds like he's going to try to go back to that, Suzanne, if he gets a chance.

MALVEAUX: And he did make history as well as one of the first openly gay congressman, correct?

JOHNS: Absolutely. Right. And that's what I mean by being a teacher. He's taught this country so much about the gay community in the United States and what it means to be an openly gay member of Congress.

MALVEAUX: All right.

JOHNS: A leader, in fact, on Capitol Hill.

MALVEAUX: All right, we're going to have to leave it there. Thank you, Joe. Appreciate it.