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Bono Interview; World AIDS Day Stories From Around The Globe; University for Undocumented Students; Plea Deal For Sandusky?; Afghan Rape Victim To Go Free

Aired December 01, 2011 - 12:00   ET

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SUZANNE MALVEAUX, CNN ANCHOR: Top of the hour. I'm Suzanne Malveaux.

Want to get you up to speed.

We're keeping an eye on the markets and your money. Investors are taking a step back today after the Dow soared almost 500 points yesterday. It posted its biggest gain since 2009.

Wall Street is watching the debt crisis in Europe and new economic reports here at home. The Dow was down 25 points just at the opening bell. Right now it is down 28 points.

The lawyer for Jerry Sandusky, the former Penn State defensive coach, is backtracking on some earlier comments he made about a possible plea deal. Joe Amendola said a plea could happen if more people come forward claiming Sandusky molested them. He told a CNN contributor Sara Ganim that such a scenario could make the case an uphill battle. In a statement just last hour, Amendola said he was only answering a hypothetical question.

Penn State students are voicing their concerns, their disgust, and embarrassment about the scandal that has engulfed the campus. They got a chance to ask some questions at a town hall last night with the university's officials.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Now I'll tell you how I feel. I don't know if all of you feel this way, but Sandusky was part of the Penn State family. We all are. And I feel shame.

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MALVEAUX: Jerry Sandusky's preliminary hearing is now set for December 13th. At least one of the alleged victims will have to testify.

Well, a month now before American troops pull out of Iraq, they are being honored for their service, their sacrifices over the last eight- and-a-half years. Vice President Joe Biden and Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki paid tribute to troops from both countries today at a ceremony in Baghdad. It took place at the palace that once belonged to Saddam Hussein.

Eleven thousand American troops are still in Iraq. Most of them will be out by the end of the year.

Secretary of State Hillary Clinton, she is wrapping up her historic visit to Myanmar, the reclusive country in Southeast Asia formerly known at Burma. Now, she met today with the country's new civilian president and democratic activist, Aung San Suu Kyi, and gave both letters from President Obama. Now, the president wrote that he was encouraged by the steps that Myanmar's military rulers have taken, but that more reforms need to happen.

Well, there are a lot of kids in San Francisco, right? They're going to open up their McDonald's Happy Meals. Guess what's going to happen? I don't think they're not going to be too happy.

Starting today, the city is banning the toys and the trinkets in the kids' meals that don't meet certain nutritional guidelines. But here's the catch. McDonald's has found a loophole. Parents can ask for a toy to be included for a dime.

We'll see how that works out.

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MALVEAUX: All right. Grammy buzz all about Adele. The British singer racked up six nominations, including Album of the Year. She is awesome.

Adele is recovering from throat surgery. It's not clear whether or not she's going to be able to perform, actually, at the Grammy Awards. That's happening on February 12th.

She did not get the most nominations, however. It was Kanye West who did. He got seven.

Thirty years, 30 million funerals. Now there is some new hope. It is World AIDS Day. And everyone from U.S. presidents to rock superstars are talking about this ongoing fight to end this epidemic.

Among the famous faces at today's event at George Washington University, Bono. He is the spokesman for the ONE Campaign, as well as musician Alicia Keys.

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BONO, SINGER AND ACTIVIST: I couldn't believe being in a campaign of AIDS activists, the heroes of the struggle, discovering they were all HIV positive themselves, and then discovering they didn't have drugs. And when the drugs arrived I was there -- them fighting amongst each other about who gets the drugs. Not fighting for themselves, but pledging that they were the least important person.

It was unbelievable. I will never forget it.

Three and four people -- you're here in beds, on top of the bed, under the bed, scenes you don't want to see in your life. And we're not going to see it if the rest of the world follows the leadership of the United States of America. And I really want to say -- and I'm not an American, so you have to listen to it from me -- thank you, thank you, thank you to the United States of America. Thank you so much on behalf of all those people you won't meet.

ALICIA KEYS, MUSICIAN: We have the opportunity to be a global community that can leave a legacy of an AIDS-free generation. Like, for real! You know what I mean?

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KEYS: And it makes me so unbelievably committed, and it makes me so excited, because my son -- I'm 30. This disease is 30 years old. When my son is 30, we must make it that he won't even know about this. He'll know that it was in the past, and that now we have created the end of it. So if we have the power to, then we must.

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MALVEAUX: Aspirations, obviously.

What is next in the battle against AIDS? We're going to take a look at the latest medical advancements. I'm going to talk to Bono and our own Dr. Sanjay Gupta this hour about the possibility of bringing a new generation into the world without AIDS.

We're also going to take a look at the current state of the AIDS epidemic and which groups are hit worldwide.

And also ahead "On the Rundown," a CNN exclusive. Undocumented students banned from attending Georgia University's system can't afford a private school.

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UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Maybe I should have really listened to my parents and understood what it meant to be undocumented, and maybe I should have gotten 4.0s and gotten (INAUDIBLE) on the S.A.T. Then maybe I would have gotten into those prestigious Ivy League private schools.

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MALVEAUX: Then, a rape victim imprisoned in Afghanistan can go free, where her safety is not necessarily guaranteed, however.

And from public park to corporate office, a look inside the headquarters for Occupy Wall Street protesters in New York.

And finally, CNN goes in-depth on baby boomers. A look at where they're choosing to retire and why.

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MALVEAUX: The AIDS virus has claimed tens of millions of lives since 1981, and although millions of people are still living with the infection today, there are some encouraging signs.

I want to bring in our Carl Azuz, who is joining us. Carl, explain to us how many people now are living with HIV or AIDS.

CARL AZUZ, CNN STUDENT NEWS ANCHOR: Worldwide, we are looking at around 33 million people, Suzanne. It is a sizeable chunk of the population. But there is a silver lining to this. And the best way to illustrate that is to show you graphics of the number of HIV/AIDS cases in the world.

Now, you see in the space -- we did this in five-year increments, and you see in the space between 1991 and 1996, there was an increase of roughly 10 million HIV cases in the world. But that starts to slow down. An eight million increase between '96 and 2001, but then between the space of 2006 and 2011, you see an increase of only one million.

Now, there are a couple of reasons for why this is plateauing. One of it is that people who have the disease are dying from it, but there's another component here, too, and that is the fact that there are fewer new cases each year. In fact, this next graphic illustrates just that.

In 2009, there were 2.6 million new HIV infections. Contrast that with 1999, 3.1 million. 1997, at the peak, when we saw the most new cases of HIV/AIDS, it's not a dramatic decrease, but it's a steady one, and it's really education, the fact that more people know how to protect themselves, how to take care of themselves. And it's also helping mothers who have HIV not pass it on to their babies that are the reasons for these sort of plateaus and decreases.

MALVEAUX: So, Carl, where are the areas in the world that are hardest hit by the virus, still?

AZUZ: Without a doubt, if you look at Africa, south of the Sahara Desert, that is where we've seen the most cases. In fact, we mentioned a moment ago it's around 33 million people worldwide living with HIV/AIDS. Sub-Saharan Africa accounts for 22.5 million of those cases, or at least it did back in 1999.

If you look at just South Africa, one country that has been hit the worst, 5.6 million cases there. And all of this is followed by South and Southeast Asia, 4.1 million cases. Then North America and Eastern Europe.

Now, overall, even in the areas that are worst hit, cases are decreasing. There is just one exception to that, and that is the area of Eastern Europe and Central Asia.

Numbers there of new HIV/AIDS cases are increasing. Researchers aren't exactly sure why. There are a number of theories.

But, you know, Suzanne, one of the main goals of World AIDS Day is to get the word out about AIDS, educate people, hopefully stop this virus. And overall, due to these plateauing numbers and decreasing new cases, it seems that message is getting through.

MALVEAUX: Good. All right. Thank you, Carl. Really appreciate it.

AZUZ: Thank you. MALVEAUX: As Carl mentioned, there are 30 million lives and counting. AIDS has been a worldwide crisis now for three decades, and the fight is certainly not over.

I want to take a look at some of the global impact here.

Erin McLaughlin reports out of London.

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ERIN MCLAUGHLIN, CNN CORRESPONDENT: HIV cases continue to rise here in Europe. That, according to the WHO. The epidemic here is still not under control.

Campaigners say that events like this one are crucial to raising awareness and battling the stigma that surrounds the disease.

ANNIE LENNOX, AIDS ACTIVIST: People in European countries don't tend to be as aware of this issue because, for them, it's abstract and the virus is something invisible. HIV and AIDS sometimes has tended to go off the radar, whereas in the '80s, all those decades ago, when it first arrived, people -- it was really all over the newspapers. Everyone was talking about it. It was a major fight.

It tends to have receded. And what we as campaigners need to do is to make sure that it just doesn't disappear from the front pages of newspapers and media outlets.

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ROBYN CURNOW, CNN CORRESPONDENT: I'm Robyn Curnow in Durban, South Africa. And this has been and continues to be the epicenter of the global AIDS pandemic. South Africa has the most people living with HIV/AIDS in the world.

Now, although women remain the most vulnerable, there are some encouraging signs. More than 60 percent of all pregnant women are tested and receive counseling. And also, UNICEF says they aim to eradicate mother-to-child transmission by 2015, basically saying that no child in the next few years should be born HIV positive.

Importantly, also across this continent, more people than ever are receiving life-saving treatment.

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MALVEAUX: He is the rock star who wants his greatest hit to be a knock-out punch against AIDS. I'm going to talk to U-2's front man, Bono, live from his ONE Campaign, and what it's going to take to make HIV/AIDS history.

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(WEATHER REPORT) MALVEAUX: Undocumented students banned from attending schools in Georgia. Well, now they're finding a new place to learn, and it doesn't cost them a dime. We're going to go inside Freedom University.

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MALVEAUX: Undocumented students kicked out of the University of Georgia's system, they're now back in class, free of charge. It is all thanks to a handful of professors who have opened what is called Freedom University.

CNN's Thelma Gutierrez gets an exclusive look.

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THELMA GUTIERREZ, CNN CORRESPONDENT (voice-over): Athens, Georgia, an hour and a half outside of Atlanta, is home to the University of Georgia. It's also home to another school where college students have to study in secret. It's called Freedom University, where no television cameras have gone before.

(on camera): We traveled across the country to Athens because we heard about a special school that has just opened up here. But in order to tell the story, we had to make an agreement with professors not to disclose the location of the school. It's a well-guarded secret, and you'll see why.

(voice-over): That's because the students are undocumented. Many live in fear of being found out, arrested and deported. Since they have no driver's license, they're brought here every Sunday by this team of volunteers.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: Each of them has a little flag.

GUTIERREZ: Freedom University has one classroom. It's packed, but we can only show you half with students who consented to be on camera.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: I graduated as an AP scholar.

GUTIERREZ: Aspiring engineers, doctors and lawyers. But in the state of Georgia, they are academic outcasts, banned by the board of regents from attending any of the top five public universities in the state, until this group of professors from the University of Georgia decided to teach them on their own time, on Sundays, for four hours, without pay.

(on camera): You all have children. You all have full-time jobs. Did you have money? Did you have resources, books?

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: No.

GUTIERREZ (voice-over): The Freedom University co-founder, Dr. Lorgia Garcia-Pena, said they had students who were hungry to learn.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: You have a lot of reading. GUTIERREZ: So why the ban? A spokesman for the regents told CNN the main reason isn't money. He said before the ban, undocumented students paid out-of-state tuition, three times more than Georgia residents. And it isn't because they were flooding the university. Out of 310,000 students, 27 were undocumented.

The major reason, to tighten admissions so that every open slot goes to a legal Georgia resident.

Meet Keish. Her parents brought her from South Korea as a child. She grew up in Atlanta and became captain of her high school debate team. Now, since she can't go to college, she works at the flea market with her father.

(on camera): There are many people who would say, why should we as taxpayers pay for you guys to go to school?

KEISH, UNDOCUMENTED STUDENT: My parents, they have been paying taxes.

GUTIERREZ: If they're not here with documents, how do they pay taxes?

KEISH: The government gave us something called an ITIN. It was an individual taxpayer I.D.

GUTIERREZ: So your parents are taxpayers even though they are undocumented?

KEISH: Yes. Every year we pay our taxes.

GUTIERREZ (voice-over): We looked at the family's tax returns for the past 10 years, and they indeed pay taxes. Since Keish is banned from public university, her dreams faded.

KEISH: I thought every night and every day, I could have tried harder. You know?

Maybe I should have really listened to my parents and understood what it meant to be undocumented, and maybe I should have gotten 4.0s and gotten (INAUDIBLE) on the S.A.T. Then maybe I would have gotten into those prestigious Ivy League private schools, then maybe I will be in school. And I felt so horrible.

GUTIERREZ: This year, for the first time, Keish and her classmates are able to return to school because of Freedom University. Ironically, the professors say it is they who are learning the most.

LORGIA GARCIA-PENA, FREEDOM UNIVERSITY: I've learned about the essence of education. The students are not coming to Freedom University for credits. They're not coming to Freedom University because they are thinking they will get a job. They are coming to learn.

BETHANY MORETON, FREEDOM UNIVERSITY: It's just a reminder of what real citizenship looks like. It means taking ownership of making the country a better place.

GUTIERREZ: And so the donated classroom space called Freedom University exists without a budget and thrives only on the professors' passion to teach and the students' longing to learn.

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GUTIERREZ: So, today, professors and members of the student government from the University of Georgia will be asking the university's council to go on the record opposing the board of regent's ban. And so their fight, they say, is just beginning -- Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: So, Thelma, help us understand this. Is this Freedom University accredited? I mean, what are students actually going to walk away with here?

GUTIERREZ: Good question, Suzanne. Lots of people asking that.

The school is not accredited. They just started about a month ago. They have 33 students.

But the students, you talk to them, and they'll say it's not about walking away with something that's transferable, though that would be nice. It's about the right and the ability to go to school and the ability to study, and that's why they're doing it.

MALVEAUX: And we saw in your piece that the classrooms, they have got new books. How is this Freedom University actually funded? How do they afford that?

GUTIERREZ: Well, when they started, Suzanne, they actually had zero money, zero books, zero location. They had nothing, but people started coming out and donating books.

They actually organized a book drive online at Amazon to buy textbooks for the students. And someone else came up and provided a place for them to hold class.

And other people are actually driving these students to and from school because, since they don't have drivers' licenses, they can't get to school. So, they're doing it really just solely by the will of the people who want to help out.

MALVEAUX: Interesting story. Thank you, Thelma.

Well, he's not just a rock star. He's an activist leading the fight against AIDS. We're going to talk to Bono live in just two minutes, as well as Dr. Sanjay Gupta. He's going to be on hand. We're going to ask him, what it is going to take to make HIV/AIDS history?

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UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Roll down and then roll up in the count of five -- one, two, three, four, five. Good.

UNIDENTIFIED FEMALE: People who have spent entire careers, like lifetimes, thinking about what gesture means. So, as we explore this realm of social robotics for the first time, I believe that collaborating with performers and with different artists can actually help us with bootstrap the development and the creation of these technologies.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And arms down. There you go. Excellent.

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MALVEAUX: It's been 30 years since the first documented cases of AIDS. Since then we've gained momentum in the fight, but the threat that this killer virus poses is still very real.

Last year alone, HIV/AIDS took 1.8 million lives and another 2.7 million people were infected with the virus. Today, on World AIDS Day, three U.S. presidents and rock star philanthropist, Bono are coming together to announce what they call "The Beginning of the End" of this disease.

Well, I'm joined now by CNN's Dr. Sanjay Gupta and the creator of "The One" campaign, Bono. Thank you for joining us. Sanjay, as much as we love you, we're going to take Bono first on this one.

DR. SANJAY GUPTA, CNN CHIEF MEDICAL CORRESPONDENT: I can understand.

MALVEAUX: Bono, obviously we all love your music. I'm a fan, as many others, but you have done so much more to use your celebrity and music to fight this disease. Your campaign now has set a new goal and the bar is pretty high to create this AIDS-free generation by 2015. Tell us what that means.

BONO, SINGER AND ARTIST: Well, we're just talking about it. What we are actually talking about when we say "The Beginning Of The End Of AIDS" is the sort of -- is a mathematical point you get a point of inflection in the disease where it is possible to lower infection rates to lessen the people that you are treating.

It used to be for every one person you treated, two people became infected. Now with a combination of getting people the drugs as soon as they are diagnosed, male circumcisions is another break through and getting pregnant women those drugs very early, you can actually cut those infections right down.

And begin the end of this disease and as I say it, it is really -- I can't even believe the words are coming out of my mouth. Thirty years, 30 million funerals later, on the 30th anniversary, we just have the end in sight if people -- if people want to go next leg and in these hard economic times, that's going to be hard.

MALVEAUX: How do you start that process? Where does it begin?

BONO: The process -- well, I think you've got communicate to people what they've achieved. The United States is leading on this. And even though in Europe there -- they have bigger development budgets as a percentage, on this disease the United States is way out in front in their leadership.

The United States has saved five million lives by getting them these drugs that were once thought impossible to get to rural areas in far-away places. So first thing I think we start by thanking the American people and to tell them it is a tiny fragment of government spending.

For less than 1 percent of government spending, all development assistance comes through. I think if they know that there's value for money that lives are being transformed then I think they'll go the next step.

MALVEAUX: That is really great news. That's a great motivator when you think about that, kind of give yourself a pat on the back, how well things have been going.

You talk a lot about this battle against poverty and you raise millions of dollars with your one campaign. Is there anything money can't do that needs to be done to fight this disease?

BONO: Yes. We had at today's meeting three presidents. President Clinton was very keen in these tough economic times to talk about making sure that the money gets spent accurately and exactly and that we be doubly circumspect.

One reason I'm a supporter of the Global Fund is because they continually out themselves if they find corruption, and then demand that the host country pay them back. Sometimes you'll hear a little scandal about this, we like to hear.

We like the truth, even if it is ugly. It is hard to do this work, hard to spend the money sufficiently but we are doing it and the Global Fund charge I think -- for Red, they don't charge us anything.

Any Red products, you walk into an apple store today, all the apple stores are lit up or Starbucks, or you buy a Belvedere Vodka. Coca-Cola came on board today, big iconic brand. None of the money comes out of that. They go straight to the people who need them to buy those precious life saving drugs.

MALVEAUX: And we saw you. You were with three presidents. Last time I saw you with President Bush in 2007 at the G-8 summit and he is just one of the world leaders you pulled into this fight against aids.

How do you convince these world leaders? What do you tell them when you sit down with them that this is an important cause? Why do they even listen?

BONO: Coming to a stadium near you.

GUPTA: He's very convincing. I can tell you. Just a few minutes with him.

BONO: It's not me they're afraid of. It is our audience and the U-2 audience is -- they're very smart, early adopters. They're noisy people and then it is the audience of voting age. Because a lot of people -- we've still got a very young audience in U-2.

And I think that that's it. And we tried not to be -- to promote the left against the right or visa versa. We work with both sides. Think that helps that we're not playing politics and we've had an amazing result with the one campaign and if you want to be a campaigner?

You want to really fight against the injustice of this stuff? Get informed, get busy, join one. If you're too busy -- people have very, very busy lives -- you just want to help out with this pandemic or AIDS because it is destroyed so many life. Buy red stuff. It's Christmas, whatever it is. Gap. Go into the Gap store and shake them down.

MALVEAUX: Sanjay is one of those people obviously who's got a ton on his plate. We know how busy you are Sanjay, but tell us a little bit about the change here. I mean, obviously, it was a generation of Americans, you and I grew up, you know, terrified of AIDS and this threat in the United States. What do we see 30 years later?

GUPTA: Well, you know, at one point -- and President Clinton talked about this today -- they thought that HIV/AIDS was solely a U.S. disease and then for a long time they thought it was only outside the United States in places like Africa.

Now in some ways they forget that it actually is in the United States as well as a disease overseas. I think there's been tremendous progress made. In 2003, correct me if I'm wrong, Bono -- a few hundred thousand people were probably getting treated.

BONO: Globally, yes.

GUPTA: Globally, around the world. Few hundred thousand people, Suzanne. Now it is six million. So, I mean, that alone I think is -- and I traveled all over the world. I've seen some of the work that Bono's foundation has done.

It is -- at a time in Washington -- Suzanne, you know this better than anybody else where it is very divisive, I think you would agree with me, this issue galvanized -- President Bush was here, President Clinton, President Obama that was pretty remarkable.

BONO: That's what's remarkable. It might be the one thing they can all agree on. And President Obama was keen to point out that if they can work across the aisle on this stuff, where -- I can't exaggerate what America has done.

This is the greatest act of heroism in my view since America jumped in the Second World War. You saved personally, America, about five million lives. This is gigantic and you've done it by working in concert left and right.

And I think that is at a time perhaps going into the holiday season when there's just so much economic doom and gloom. Just to remind yourselves that you are an incredible country and the things that you are capable of.

Outside in the world in Britain, you have a conservative Prime Minister David Cameron has raised his AIDS budget because he says we know we need cuts, but we're not doing cuts that will cost lives. This helps the world know who we are.

In Ireland I'm sorry to say we kept our AIDS budget safe because we don't want the budget to cost lives. President Clinton again today was talking about the strategic aspect of that and dealing with the outside world, looking at it from the point of view of the military, from the point of view of business and commerce.

We want the world to know we care whether their children live or die or not. If we have these technologies that can safe people's children we must get it out to them and show them who we are, show them what we are for and against.

GUPTA: And the attitude toward the United States, even in some pretty down times in the last several years have always remained positive in certain parts of the world including Africa.

BONO: Yes, polling out of the top ten countries that -- not the United States -- eight out of the 10 are African proving the point. I met President Bush in the oval office early on. Paint these pills red, white and blue if you have to, but they'll be the best advisement for the United States you're ever going to get.

That has actually proved to be true. President Bush, his PERFAR program was a turning point in the war on AIDS and now for President Obama to come in and finish it out shows just what can be accomplished in U.S. politics even at this dire time.

MALVEAUX: Bono, is it true -- I was on that trip to Africa with President Bush when he was promoting that program. Is it true you took him aside in the oval office and you said as a man of faith that this is something that he should be a part of?

BONO: You know, I will use everything at my means to talk people into doing the right thing. And there are 2,013, I think it is, versus of scripture that talk about the world's poor.

Christ only speaks of judgment once and it is not about your sexuality, it is not about your bad behavior. It's about how you treat the poor. Matthew 25. I spoke to him and as a person of faith -- it might be a bad example of it -- to him who was a believer and he was moved by that because we're so judgmental.

This is what happens. This started in the United States in the gay community. People didn't want to go there and the gay community had to be bold and they showed incredible leadership and said this is not just about us, you know.

This is affecting not just the rest of America and now it is affect being the rest of the world. And it's worth, on World AIDS Day, to remember heroes of the domestic aids fights. You know, from -- both from the gay community and the straight community, from regular folks to people like sports stars like Magic Johnson. Where would we be without Magic Johnson? Elizabeth Taylor is not around to see this day, amfAR. Those kinds of people. This is a really great day. If it is the beginning of the end of AIDS.

MALVEAUX: And --

BONO: For it to be --

MALVEAUX: Sure. Go ahead.

BONO: I was just going to say, for it to be, the president's words will have to be matched by the words of other presidents and then the actions of other countries following through.

MALVEAUX: And, Sanjay, what is the follow-up with you about that because Bono makes the point whether or not we are close. Are we close to a cure here?

GUPTA: You know, I think "cure" is not the word that you're going to hear a lot in the scientific community, whether it be in the form of a vaccine or some other type of treatment.

But what you're hearing is sort of a reemphasizing of what we now know works. For example, and these are now proven numbers. Anecdotally it's been thought for some time that if you treat people adequately, you reduce the amount of virus in their body and they become less infectious, less likely to spread the disease.

We thought that to be true in the scientific community. Now we know it to be true. And that's important and relevant, Suzanne, because that makes your focus continue to be on treatment and you can reduce infections -- the efficacy of this is 96 percent. You think about that. So you treat somebody. That obviously has the benefit that you might expect.

But then you have all these other concordant benefits. That person is much less -- exponentially less likely to infect other people. So -- and the idea of the beginning of the end of AIDS, the idea of, you know, alleviating the earth of this scourge, probably treatment as prevention is the moniker you're going to hear more than anything else nowadays.

MALVEAUX: All right.

BONO: Perfectly put.

GUPTA: Why thank you.

BONO: Yes. I just -- I just -- I'm always amazed at how Sanjay can make very complicated things very simple and understandable.

MALVEAUX: Very simple. And perhaps --

GUPTA: I learned from the best.

BONO: And that's not an Irish trait.

MALVEAUX: Perhaps you can sing what Sanjay delivers. You know, I mean, it could all work very well, I think.

BONO: Thank you. GUPTA: Thanks, Suzanne. Appreciate it.

MALVEAUX: All right, thank you very much, Bono. Thank you very much, Sanjay.

And this weekend, watch Sanjay's amazing interview with the man who may actually have been cured of AIDS by a bone marrow transplant. That airs this Saturday and Sunday, 7:30 a.m. Eastern only on CNN.

Well, he courageously fought AIDS, helped educate a nation. Ryan White died after contracting AIDS through a blood transfusion. He would have been 40 years old this month. Well, now his mother continues to share his story. Next hour we're going to hear from her live in the NEWSROOM.

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MALVEAUX: An Afghan woman who was raped and thrown in prison can now go free. But if she does, she might face an angry crowd. And so her other option is to stay behind bars. That story has outraged much of the world. The latest now from CNN's Nick Paton Walsh.

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NICK PATON WALSH, CNN CORRESPONDENT: Remarkable news out of Kabul. Afghan President Hamid Karzai has issued a decree for the release of Gulnaz, the rape victim we've been reporting about for the last couple of weeks.

He is clear that he wants to see her released, quote, "into safety." So to be sure, that when she comes out of jail with her young daughter, she has a safe place to go to, immune from the threats that have been made against her because of dishonor which a deal has apparently brought some people in the community where she's from.

We also understand from her lawyer that she has a safe place to go to upon release. The other outstanding issue is whether or not she does want to marry her attacker. Now her lawyer is absolutely clear she does not want to marry this man at all. And we understand in the next day that her lawyer will be meeting with her and ministers, on the instruction of the president, will be meeting both her attacker and her to finally resolve this issue.

But it does appear at this stage that the Afghan president has personally intervened in this case, which has drawn attention globally, the terrifying plight of Gulnaz, who was raped by her cousin's husband, subsequently jailed for adultery because of the rape, had a child from the attack.

Is spending 12 years in jail because of the attack. The sentence now reduced. And she may also be released very soon. And also faces death threats apparently because of the dishonor her ordeal has brought those in the community from where she is from. So, a very terrifying case here, but certainly something which the Afghan president feels obliged to intervene in. And he has ordered her release. Now, we understand, of course, at this point, she remains in jail and we understand that the earliest she could be released is perhaps at the weekend. But a few bureaucratic hurdles to cross. But certainly, at this point, we understand that, a, she has a safe place to go to upon release and her release is what the Afghan president wants at this time. So a huge day of change for Gulnaz in this story.

Nick Paton Walsh, CNN, New York.

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MALVEAUX: Well, it sure beats sleeping in the park. The Occupy Wall Street movement occupies some new office space. But is there corporate digs going to diminish the message? We're going to hear what they have to say about it.

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MALVEAUX: The Occupy Wall Street movement takes on a more corporate image. You might be wondering what happened to the protesters after police evicted them from the park in New York that they occupied for two months. Well, some of them ended up in a surprising location close to Wall Street but a lot more comfortable. Poppy Harlow explains.

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POPPY HARLOW, CNNMONEY.COM: Zuccotti Park is nearly all cleared out. But "Occupy" has moved to places that you probably wouldn't expect, including an office right off of Wall Street.

When you walk in, you get a name tag like this.

Is this "Occupy" headquarters?

MEGAN HAYES, OCCUPIER: Not at all. This is one of our offices. Because we don't have Zuccotti Park --

HARLOW: Yes.

HAYES: We are spreading out our resources so we can have people join us, working groups can continue to work and continue to plan.

HARLOW: All right, show us around.

HAYES: This is some of our working spaces. You can see lots of occupiers working here. We have some offices, our info hub to help people who were staying in the park who are now homeless.

HARLOW: You've got your copy machine, fax.

HAYES: Yes. As every office needs, we have our copy machine.

HARLOW: Look, rent in Manhattan isn't cheap. How are you guys paying for this?

HAYES: We are not. It's donations. Our office furniture was donated. Our food is still donated. Our water's donated.

HARLOW: So this really stands out to me -- when we walk in here -- what print media is saying about the movement today. So they're posting all the stuff that we, the media, are putting out there. You're keeping an eye on us.

HAYES: Of course.

HARLOW: Is it a more professional movement now? You've got an office. Is it different now?

HAYWOOD CAREY, OCCUPIER: No, I don't think so. One of the things that we're trying to reconcile here is that we're trying to show the world a different way of doing things. And though we may be in an office space, we want to stay true to exactly who we are.

HARLOW: So there's no boss on this office floor?

CAREY: Absolutely not.

HARLOW: Who --

CAREY: We are a movement without leadership. People oftentimes say, well, a bunch of anarchists can't run anything. They'll just do whatever they want. Nothing could be further from the truth in Occupy Wall Street. We have layer upon layer upon layer upon layer of structure, regulations, guidelines. The difference is, is that we, as a people, came up with those.

HARLOW: Here, right next to the New York Stock Exchange, in the Trump building, is another public meeting area for Occupy Wall Street, where a lot of them have gone since Zuccotti Pak got evicted.

CAREY: It's a little bit ironic. This is actually the lobby of a bank. But that actually makes it so much more important to us.

HARLOW: Is this base as important as your office is that we were in earlier?

CAREY: This space is much more important than the office.

HARLOW: Why?

CAREY: Because what you're seeing right here is decision making. I can't tell you what we're going to look like in a year. But what I can say is what you see around here is what's going to determine what we look like.

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MALVEAUX: Poppy Harlow, she's joining us from New York.

Really fascinating when you see the transition here with this group, this organization. So you've met with some of the folks there in the office and do they -- are they all volunteers? Do they get paid? How does it actually work now? HARLOW: It's a great question. They are all volunteers. None them get paid. Some of the folks that I talked to when we were in that office told me they're commuting from Brooklyn, working 13 to 19 hours a day. And as you saw, it's all donation based.

Some of them I talked to even quit their job, Suzanne, to work there. But I also think reality kicks in and one of them told me eventually, you know, I'm living off my savings. Eventually I'm going to have to get a part-time job to keep this up.

But I also want to show you some interesting video. We'll play it in the monitor here. We also got into this storage facility for Occupy Wall Street donations. You see sweaters, jackets, blankets, hand warmers for the winter here in New York. Apparently they are still getting about 100 boxes a day from all 50 states, they told me, of donations to the movement. So I think this is going to change the perspective for those people that thought the movement died with that eviction from Zuccotti Park.

Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: And, Poppy, how do they escape the perception here, really, right? Because it doesn't look really very much like a protest movement. It looks like, you know, like a campaign office or something that --

HARLOW: Yes.

MALVEAUX: So, how do they get beyond that and still convince folks that they're the gritty, you know, fighters that they were when they were in those parks?

HARLOW: That's a fabulous question. They vehemently opposed it when I said, well, is this like a campaign headquarters. Of course they said absolutely not. This is one of our working spaces.

They are more organized. They need to be more organized to get done what they want to get done. But they say we are nothing like corporate America. But their image looks more like it.

Suzanne.

MALVEAUX: All right, thanks again, Poppy. Appreciate it.

CNN NEWSROOM continues right now with T.J. Holmes.

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